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Posted on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 12:40:55 PM EST
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MOVE from Rick Mereki on Vimeo.

Via Mashable, check out these one minute videos of three guys traveling through 18 countries in 44 days. Move, Eat, Learn. All are pretty great, but I liked Learn the best. Terrific music too, by Kelsey James.

“Move” shows actor Andrew Lees strolling toward us in perfect sync, surrounded by a mind-boggling group of scenarios, all whizzing by so quickly you have to watch this quick clip a few times just to absorb it all.

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The film was part of a three-film series of short subjects commissioned by STA Travel Australia, based on the concepts of movement, learning and food. .... all are beautifully photographed by Director of Photography and Editor Tim White.

It certainly makes me want to do more than hang out on the computer today. If the images roll by too quickly for you, you can view many of the still shots here.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    great video (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:24:48 PM EST
    I just saw an unbelievable Santorum moment on CNN.  he is railing RAILING against the "snobbery" of Obama for saying 'every kid in america should go to college'.

    THE HUBRIS.  THE SNOBBERY. WHO IS THIS GUY TO TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD DO.  RISE UP. RISE UP AMERICA AND RESIST THIS AUTOCRACY.

    I wish I was kidding.  this from a guy with three degrees.

    This is the (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:38:48 PM EST
    kind of nonsense that turns voters off from both candidates. Has it ever occurred to Obama that there are kids that are not college material like my son who is LD? Or has it occurred to Santorum that there's NOTHING wrong with getting an education. I guess I'll have to see how Santorum's statement plays with the people he is trying to woo.

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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:52:37 PM EST
    what Howdy is saying sounded like Obama said everyone should go to to college not that no one should be kept from college due to costs etc. A few words can make a difference.

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    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:11:06 PM EST
    I hate to say it but Santorum was actually very effective with what he was saying. I just watched a clip. Someone not knowing Santorum's stances on a lot of issues could very well get moved by what he's saying here. I just found it ironic that he was complaining about Obama "knowing what's best for your children" when Santorum thinks he knows what's best for women, women he has never met nor even seen.

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    He is so slimy and two faced he makes Romney (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 07:35:37 PM EST
    look like a man of principle. There is nothing he says that can be believed. I would fact check every word out of his mouth before I believed it. He is the worst type of demagogue.

    Which is what makes me think he will do very well among some GOP constituencies.

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    also (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:53:38 PM EST
    its worth mentioning that the whole grandfather story was hardly off the cuff or accidental.  it was fully intended to dog whistle the story of Romneys grandfather which is circulating the whack job underground about his fleeing the country to avoid polygamy laws.

    nobodys fool indeed. he is one dangerous mofo.

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    Last I heard, (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:17:41 PM EST
    ya think, Donald?

    but I actually agree that this may sell with a portion of the base.  reaction here being evidence.

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    also (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:21:21 PM EST
    thsi whack a doodle stuff he has been spewing for the last couple of days is not intended for NH.  he is talking to SC and FL.

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    He is being supported by Rick Scott (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Amiss on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:55:21 PM EST
    last I heard, here in North Fla. I now live in Ga., but you cross the state line 3 miles from my house and in doing so, you are practically in Jacksonville.

    Some positive news is that Floridians have decided they didnt want Rick Scott now, after they elected him. Boy did they get what they deserved for voting for him!

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    Well (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:03:48 PM EST
    Romney's numbers in Fl should shoot up now.

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    Sounds like (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 10:23:30 AM EST
    your house is my gas stop both leaving Florida and entering Florida. I take advantage of the lower GA gas tax at the state line.

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    there is a real (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 05:54:58 PM EST
    anti intellectual streak in the tea party that is perhaps its most troubling aspect afaiac

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    Taliban wants peace talks with the US (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:28:40 PM EST
    this is pretty cool

    Taliban to open Qatar office for peace talks

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- The Taliban announced Tuesday that they will open an office in the Persian Gulf nation of Qatar to hold talks with the United States, an unprecedented step toward a peace process that might lead to a winding down of the 10-year war in Afghanistan.
    oh man (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:33:29 PM EST
    Santorum just ridiculed Romney for using the term "middle class".  a democrat term he would never use.

    ohplease ohplease ohplease
    make this guy the nominee.

    in general (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:34:42 PM EST
    he is really coming off like a complete lunatic.

    which means he will probably be a hit with the base.


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    He IS a lunatic. Seriously. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:45:15 PM EST


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    I just keep seeing Terry Schiavo (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 11:48:51 PM EST
    every time I see Santorum.  His behavior was unforgivable.  I cannot stomach him.

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    Help me out here . . . (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:05:37 PM EST
    WTF is wrong with middle class, and what are 'we' supposed to use?

    Perhaps he would prefer the 99%? :D

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    The term "class" is his issue (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 11:50:34 PM EST
    as he wants us to believe that there is no caste system in this country.

    Those in power always want to pretend that Horatio Alger wrote truths.

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    He did write truths (none / 0) (#58)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 11:59:20 PM EST
    about some place at some time, unfortunately, America was not it.

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    got me (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:13:53 PM EST
    it was an amazing moment.  and I was amazed that it was not mentioned in the post game coverage.  but I agree with Mrs Carvill.  the wingnuts meeting in TX this weekend could really have an effect on the ultimate outcome.  they really really do not want Romney.  the fat lady has not yet sung.

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    but one answer might be (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:20:26 PM EST
    that if there is no middle class you dont need a term.  problem solved.

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    Middle income (none / 0) (#54)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:37:08 PM EST


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    peons? (none / 0) (#60)
    by sj on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:15:18 AM EST


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    Wouldn't that be (none / 0) (#61)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:26:14 AM EST
    "pee-ons?"

    The grateful recipeants of Ronald Reagan's "trickle down" economic plan?

    No wonder he was Obama's idol.

    It's starting to make sense.

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    I saw (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    that and my jaw dropped. We can't use the word "middle class". Romney is really killing in this debate. I'm shocked that he's coming off as well as he is because I would never have thought he would do this good.

    Where they all are horrible except for Huntsman is foreign policy.

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    if we all agree Huntsman (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:41:38 PM EST
    is looking good he is probably dead meat.

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    He's going (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:44:40 PM EST
    nowhere but he really made a good impression and Romney totally surprised me too.

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    The media is always looking for a fight (none / 0) (#40)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:56:17 PM EST
    instead of substance. Are you watching the post coverage.
     I am bias when it comes to Huntsman. I think everyone knows how I feel.
     Romney will always look and act like a used car salesmen. It's funny how only the media, think Mr 25% has this all wrap up.

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    I agree with you that if the GOP (none / 0) (#42)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:58:49 PM EST
    was looking for who would be the best president, they would be serious about Huntsman.  But they are more concerned with who will protect their most cherished set of irrational beliefs, and Romney is at least willing to pay lip service to doing that.

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    I think were all Americans (none / 0) (#55)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:48:13 PM EST
    I also think they want whats best for the country.

     Huntsman will beat expectation. I still think he will be the nominee. If he wins New Hampshire it over for Romney.

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    Highly recommend Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:47:34 PM EST
    Very engrossing! Great acting, directing, overall look....4 stars here!

    I did not read the book, but they did a good job of making it understandable without a whole lot of exposition.

    great book (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:49:43 PM EST


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    The friend I saw it with loved the book too (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:56:25 PM EST
    I will have to put it on my list.

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    I loved the book, and I thought the movie (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:08:41 PM EST
    was great. The friends I saw it with agreed that you had to be paying attention through the whole movie or you missed critical hints and clues.

    As expected, Gary Oldman and Colin Firth were great. So was the rest of the cast. I don't think there was a single misstep.

    I highly recommend reading every single one of LeCarre's George Smiley novels. Everyone is well worth the time.

    And I highly recommend going to see this movie. It isn't often I find a movie to be worth the high price of admission. This one is well worth the price.

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    Here is a list of the Smiley novels. (none / 0) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:12:38 PM EST
    Some are better than others, but each is a good read.

    LeCarre's George Smiley novels.

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    Here's a wiki on (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:16:46 AM EST
    the author and a list of his novels in order.

    I haven't seen the movie, and I hate remakes of classics, which IMO the PBS series was, so I may just wait for the DVD.

    Link

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    The release of the movie has prompted (none / 0) (#114)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 05:22:31 PM EST
    a renewed and major interest in the PBS series starring Alec Guinness, at least it has here in Portland. The wait list at the library is nearly 200 people long and the library has several new copies of the DVD on order.

    I have not ever seen the PBS series, but my name is now on that waiting list. I am also lining up for the DVD of the PBS series "Smiley's People," which also stars Guinness and also has a no very long waiting list at the library.


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    Thanks (none / 0) (#115)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:25:40 PM EST
    I may just do that.

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    Ah, Jim, beware, these Liberals (none / 0) (#116)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:01:45 PM EST
    are trying to poison your mind with secret, Progressive voodoo.

    David Cornwell, the nom de plume of Le Carre', is very liberal, quite sympathetic to Palestinians as one of his later novels shows, and was an actual spy during the Cold War.  Think Michael Mooore and you'll get the picture.  

    The perfect antidote to Tom Clancy.

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    Ah, got that backwards (none / 0) (#117)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:04:15 PM EST
    Le Carre' is the pseudonym used by David Cornwell....

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    Heh (none / 0) (#119)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:07:33 AM EST
    Seeing as I have every book written by Le Carre' then I guess I have been "turned."

    ;-)

    One of the appeals of his books is the moral ambiguity displayed by both those on the Right and the Left. It is the common theme through all his works and he uses it very effectively to show how the individual is greatly harmed by this while trying to protect their country.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#120)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:07:34 AM EST
    Seeing as I have every book written by Le Carre' then I guess I have been "turned."

    ;-)

    One of the appeals of his books is the moral ambiguity displayed by both those on the Right and the Left. It is the common theme through all his works and he uses it very effectively to show how the individual is greatly harmed by this while trying to protect their country.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#121)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:07:35 AM EST
    Seeing as I have every book written by Le Carre' then I guess I have been "turned."

    ;-)

    One of the appeals of his books is the moral ambiguity displayed by both those on the Right and the Left. It is the common theme through all his works and he uses it very effectively to show how the individual is greatly harmed by this while trying to protect their country.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:07:35 AM EST
    Seeing as I have every book written by Le Carre' then I guess I have been "turned."

    ;-)

    One of the appeals of his books is the moral ambiguity displayed by both those on the Right and the Left. It is the common theme through all his works and he uses it very effectively to show how the individual is greatly harmed by this while trying to protect their country.

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    I have no idea (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:10:09 AM EST
    as to why the above comment was posted 4 times. FYI - I'm using Vista and Google Chrome.

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    I have no idea (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:10:09 AM EST
    as to why the above comment was posted 4 times. FYI - I'm using Vista and Google Chrome.

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    I ran (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 01:43:44 PM EST
    across this:
    Romney demonstrated in favor of Vietnam draft

    I had no idea such things even happened. Anyway, there was no way he was going to go to Vietnam because he was a Mormon missionary according to the article.

    No (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 04:43:13 PM EST
    I meant I didn't know that anybody actually protested in FAVOR of the draft not that Romney of course wouldn't be going to Vietnam because I agree that they're all chickenhawks when it comes to that. I knew there were protests against the draft but never knew there were any FOR it.

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    So see a path? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 03:02:52 PM EST


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    Those videos are wonderful (none / 0) (#2)
    by sj on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 02:48:02 PM EST
    I liked Learn the best, too.

    I'll put my vote in for (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 03:05:17 PM EST
    Move

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    Loved them all (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 07:43:09 PM EST
    But I think I vote for Move too.  

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    Move was pretty cool (none / 0) (#59)
    by sj on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:09:47 AM EST
    I watched it a few times before I went on to Learn.  But I got fascinated by the things they were learning.  I want to learn lots of those things, too.

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    Anyone watching the debate? (none / 0) (#23)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 08:30:45 PM EST
     Finally have a few days off.

     This debate is pretty good.

    I am (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 08:33:36 PM EST
    I am surprised that Ron Paul is actually sounding pretty decent. He's melting Gingrich who is looking like a fool.


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    I am surprised Perry seems normal (none / 0) (#27)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:09:38 PM EST
     This is a pretty good debate. The time is pretty even.
     

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    finally got the meds right (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:35:26 PM EST
    I guess.

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    Huntsman is looking pretty good (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:04:01 PM EST
    Perry just said he wants to send troops back into EyeRack.

    yikes


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    I saw that. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:08:31 PM EST
    Even Newt wasn't willing to go back. Perry looks like he's out of it. Too many painkillers maybe?


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    I agree (none / 0) (#28)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:10:35 PM EST
     

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    it was the Mitt Romney show (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 09:51:38 PM EST
    no one laid a glove on him.  if it goes the same way tomorrow morning its probably over.  Santorum clearly has the lunatic vote wrapped up.  we will see how far that gets him.

    Santorum (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:01:28 PM EST
    at least had a point of view even it was crazy. That's more than I can say for Perry or Newt. All those two did was suck up oxygen and waste energy.

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    Newt had the longest sentence though. (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:14:19 PM EST


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    and he was the only one (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:18:43 PM EST
    who even attempted to poke Willard with his little recitation about Bain.

    and Huntsman spoke Mandarin so that is probably pretty much it for him.

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    Huntsman spouting Mandarin was priceless. (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:29:18 PM EST
    The others seemed to say we should declare war on China ASAP.  And what ARE those international laws of engagement re trade?????

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    About different posting in closed open thread (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:37:16 AM EST
    What was the word the teacher was giving the class the definition of?  It was indubitable.  What did she give as an example out of the Bible of something that was indubitable?  That Jesus Christ is the son of God.

    Parent
    OH, just wow. I thought (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:36:54 AM EST
    the "word" was actually in the sentence she quoted.  Good for Josh.  

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    Why do they have to fight? (none / 0) (#53)
    by loveed on Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 10:34:34 PM EST
    Most viewer wanted to know how they were going to create jobs, fix the economy, ending the wars,plans for the future of the country..  
     Watching this post debate coverage, what in the hell is wrong with the media? They have already picked the nominee. They never learn. In Iowa they were predicting a big win for Romney ( he spent a lot of money and time for 8 votes).      
     Mitt Romney is a flip flopper. Plain and simple. I don't believe he's going to do as well as being projected.
     Things I think will sink Romney
     1. McCain( did anyone see McCain endorse Obama at the Mitt Rally LOL)
     2. Newt (the debate is not the place for a knifing)
     3. Bain (the commercial about the laid off workers is heartbreaking. Also two companies are in New Hampshire.
     4. They know all about Mitt in New Hampshire.

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    Newt (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 06:36:50 AM EST
    is not going to do anything. Newt is all huff and puff and then when he throws a bomb it blows up in his own face. The Bain Capital stuff might have some traction but I'm willing to be it works in the general more than the GOP primary.

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    Newt is a man whom has been disrespected (none / 0) (#63)
    by loveed on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:28:42 AM EST
    The media is not giving a true picture of this primary. They like to push the fringe element of the party, to make the party look out of touch.

      Huntsman has been endorsed by 4 of the largest newspapers(there's 7).Romney 1,Newt 1. Huntsman was endorsed by the Boston Globe. The editorial endorsements was scathing against Mitt & Newt. His economic plan endorsed by the Wall Street Journal.Even George will has changed his mind. Huntsman has done over 150 events. His crowds are large and overflowing. When The rest of the candidate get large crowds it's there base. When Huntsman get a large crowd,they want to here what he has to say.His debate with Newt was broadcast on two network in New Hampshire. For the last week,there are several commercial about Bain. Even moveon.org has one.

     I will say this again,they want to win. Mr 25% will lose again. The republican party don't like Mitt. They also want someone who can beat Obama. There meeting in Texas, because Mitt is unacceptable to the majority of the repub. party.
     The media can continue trying to push Mitt.But 75% don't like him.
     

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    I think the problem (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 07:55:00 AM EST
    is not with Huntsman but with the GOP primary voters. These voters are willing to vote for a lunatic like Santorum. That is what the voters want. They don't want a sane candidate like Huntsman. The reason Mitt is doing better than Huntsman IMO is because Mitt will say that he's against gay marriage etc. while Huntsman keeps to his beliefs.

    I think actually working for Obama might be too much for the GOP voting base to overlook.

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    I dont understand why (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:07:32 AM EST
    Gregory or one of these so called moderators dont ask these guys about the personhood/life-begins-at-erection movement.

    Because (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:22:29 AM EST
    they are too worried about banning birth control which isn't even on the agenda of any state. Here you have this personhood nonsense actually on the agenda and the press doesn't cover it. This just shows how bad the press is in this country.

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    it looks like they (none / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:13:58 AM EST
    have finally decided to "bring it" to Willard.

    this is fun.

    Paul (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:23:50 AM EST
    is now going after Santorum as the most corrupt member of the senate in 2006. I think this is why the GOP hates Ron Paul--they can't control him.

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    Huntsman to Romney (none / 0) (#69)
    by loveed on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 08:29:08 AM EST
    I will always put my country first. While I was ambassador to China serving my country, you were out raising money to run for president.

    Huntsman is coming off really well (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:13:27 AM EST
    again.

    its fun to watch Santorum and Perry play "Ill see your lunatic and raise you a bat-sh!t crazy"

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    Perry is almost normal (none / 0) (#72)
    by loveed on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:29:38 AM EST
    I think his numbers will raise in South Carolina.
    Newt's pac 21 mins movie, about Bain. I smell a swift boat coming. Newt knows he cannot win, but he's taking Romney with him.

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    it was clear that (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:36:23 AM EST
    Perry and Santorum were both talking to SC.

    but they really did land a few on Mittens this time.

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    your can often tell (none / 0) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 09:45:33 AM EST
    how things really went by the reaction of them or their surrogates to it.

    John Sununu is freaking.  he knows Romney got whacked.

    Mr 25% (none / 0) (#77)
    by loveed on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 10:52:11 AM EST
     No one is watching these debates to fall in love with Romney there looking for an alternative. I Am so  happy they finally called Romney on his "I am not a politician",he been running and raising money for years. The people of New Hampshire knows Romney. That's why he is at 25%.
     Anyone can vote. there will be a lot of indep.& dems voting also.
     The fringe part of the repub.party is probably about 15% of the party. there candidates Rick Perry,Newt,Santorum. There power lies in states like SC. I don't think Romney can win SC,no matter what the polls says. If Huntsman wins or place 2nd, it over for Romney. Because Huntsman is truly a conservative. Plus it's always dirty in SC.
     Huntsman journey to the nomination. He need to finish at least third in NH. A win kills Romney, 2nd wounds him. Huntsman has good support in SC, he just has to get there. The pac supporting Huntsman are running ads in SC.
     I think he did well in both debates.  

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    If only (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:17:48 AM EST
    the fringe was 15% of the GOP Santorum would not have come within 8 votes of Romney in IA.

    Romney absolutely can win SC because there are so many baa baa conservatives there that will do what they are told.

    For some reason the GOP voters are even more loathe to attach themselves to Huntsman than they are Romney. I think in their mind Huntsman has two negatives--worked for Obama AND a Mormon and that might be too much for them.

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    He must be a "Jack" Mormon. (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:39:44 AM EST


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    The knifing begins (none / 0) (#81)
    by loveed on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 11:54:16 AM EST
     Newt pac given 5 mil for attack ads. SC is always dirty. A 27 minute ad about Bain. Newt is going to take Romney with him.

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    Meh....Romney is a savvy businessman (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:39:04 PM EST
    Just ask Obama.  Just ask the whole Republican party outside of the Gingrich/Santorum Snivelpac.

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    Hah! Love "SnivelPac" (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Edger on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 02:00:44 PM EST
    Is that trademarked?

    Or is it open source and available for bipartisan use, too? ;-)

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    or how about asking McCain (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:00 PM EST
    who was taken out in 2000 by a dirty little whipser campaign about his mental instability there.

    the whisper campaign has started about Romney and his grandfather and more.  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:26:16 PM EST
    but McCain wasn't the candidate of the elite and Romney is and McCain had an unknowing visual to go with his smear. So while I'm sure the smear campaign against Romney will get some traction whether or not it gets to the level that others have remains to be seen.

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    that cycle (none / 0) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:37:00 PM EST
    McCain was not the candidate of the establishment.  but the same people who smeared him for Bush will be the people who smear Romney.  whether or not his establishment backing will matter, who knows.   it probably will.  but I still think the knifes are going to come out for Romney.

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    I thought (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:39:39 PM EST
    that Karl Rove was backing Romney.

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    Rove did not personally (none / 0) (#109)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:50:23 PM EST
    pour poison in the ears of all those evangelicals.  the locals did that.

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    No (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:59:39 PM EST
    but Rove is the one that started it. He's the one that got the ball rolling and then started pushing it through the rumor mill.

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    read what I just (none / 0) (#111)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 05:01:54 PM EST
    put in the new thread

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    of course you are (none / 0) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:32:50 PM EST
    but you are far from the target audience.  

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    I think Huntsman really landed one (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:16:22 PM EST
    with the "the country is divided because of attitudes like THAT" line.  I think it could be one of those debated moments that get played over and over.  I think Romney has to be a little worried about Huntsman now.  
    he "won" both of these debates IMO.

    I cant wait to see this Gingrich thing.  it sounds like it could be a turning point kind of thing.

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    wowee (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:20:25 PM EST
    the trailer is up. at kingofbain.com

    King of Bain
    Capitalism made America great - free markets, innovation, hard work - the building blocks of the American Dream. But in the wrong hands some of those dreams can turn into nightmares. This film is about one raider and his firm and how they destroyed that dream for thousands of Americans and their families - Mitt Romney and Bain Capital.

    The trailer is live on a website named--I am not making this up--King of Bain. It links to another site, WhenMittRomneyCametoTown.com, which says the full video is coming soon.

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    it lookd like Obama (none / 0) (#84)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:21:18 PM EST
    should just buy this site and the film and air it in primetime every day until NOV.

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    You know what (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:23:43 PM EST
    though? If it's really that effective and does take Romney down then that means that Huntsman might really get the nomination and he's the strongest candidate to go against Obama and I'm willing to be Obama would definitely lose against Huntsman.

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    There were 2 debates? (none / 0) (#88)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:45:44 PM EST
    life without a TV here, so I'm playing catch up :)

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    yep (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:51:24 PM EST
    one last night and one this morning.

    about 10 hours apart.  Gregorys first line this morning was "thank you for debating every 10 hours if you need it or not"

    the one last night was video ambien.  and I think that is why the one this morning was so prickly.   they all woke up and realized it was poop or get off the pot time.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#92)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:55:18 PM EST
    debating on a Sunday morn, eh? I'd be prickly too!

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    Newt (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:21:24 PM EST
    is an overinflated windbag. You have to remember that Newt has continually gone up against people and LOST. The person who has been LETHALLY effective with this kind of stuff has been Ron Paul. I think it's just wishful thinking that Newt is going to be able to take Romney down. Everything that Newt puts out there seems to blow up in his own face.

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    this film has little to do with Newt (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:28:22 PM EST
    its a superpac.  Romney just gave superpacs permission to do anything they want.  I actually thought his response to that question was one of the most amazing moments in the debate.

    "of course the are former staffers.  of course they are my supporters.  this aint bean bag. etc etc"

    I agree with you that Huntsman would be the biggest threat to Obama.  but I do not think he will get the nomination no matter what happens to Romney.  if they take Romney down they WILL NOT replace him with another Mormon.

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    Well (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:49:54 PM EST
    I keep hearing that Romney won't win IA or this is going to happen to Romney or that is going to happen to Romney but somehow he keeps managing to win and whatever this film does it's not going to have any effect on the voting in NH because there isn't going to be enough time.

    Maybe it will do something for SC but even then I don't know. An unscientific study of my facebook friends who are part of this lunatic voting block certainly do not seem enamored of Santorum at all. Maybe it's because he's Catholic. I really don't know.

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    Romney keeps winning because (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:52:43 PM EST
    he has not been attacked.  or even confronted.  it is really quite amazing IMO.

    until this now that is

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    let me rephrase that (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:01:59 PM EST
    if they take Romney down THEN we will see if the thumpers are telling the truth about why they hate Romney.  I think their problem has as much if not more to do with his religion as his policies.  if the Bain video and other things start to bite we will see if they get behind some loser like Santorum or they get behind the one guy who could actually be a threat to Obama who also happens to be an apostate.

    IMO we should all hope and pray that it is the former and not the latter

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    I don't (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:40:33 PM EST
    know if you can definitely really prove that one way or another because Huntsman did work for the Obama administration and they can always say that. However, it might not have to be proven for a lot of Mormons to get a whiff of what is going on and that could cause a lot of problems for the GOP down the road. Can you imagine what it would do to the GOP out west if they lost the Mormon vote? Think about how Obama's run back in '08 lost a lot of women from the party that helped lead to the shellacking in November of '10.

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    The big problem with Huntsman (none / 0) (#99)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 03:12:17 PM EST
    is his total support of Paul Ryan's "final solution" economic plan. He seems to relish in the "real pain" he's willing to inflict on what's left of the middle class. And he brags that he's the only candidate there who's "serious" in that pursuit.

    He's a horrible, horrible man.

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    Getting all apolitical again (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 01:54:51 PM EST
    Thank God.  Who the President is really does matter when it comes to what military regulations are observed.  My husband said he just got an email reminding all soldiers that they are not allowed to attend or speak at any political function or rally in uniform.  A reminder was also stated once again that the military is an apolitical organization.

    Hit the Google, someone spoke at a Ron Paul rally in uniform.  And now the military leaders can enforce the law and the code or not, the law and the code are being enforced.

    I gather the enforcers do not want to (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 03:34:42 PM EST
    return to Iraq.  

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    They were in 2008 too (none / 0) (#118)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:57:50 AM EST
    At least around here.  Had a friend who's husband is a Captain in the Air Force.  They are Republicans and she is active in the local party (she even rate for State Senate).

    She commented in 2008 many times that they had to make sure he had his civvies when they were going to political functions after work, because it was strictly forbidden to be in uniform and it was monitored.

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    The Bush administration did not (none / 0) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 08:59:24 AM EST
    enforce the rule about not being at political functions in uniform.  People observed it for themselves to avoid singled out dustups, but I saw the rule broken many many times.  The military is now weighing though whether or not this soldier will face charges. AND NEVER DID THE MILITARY SEND OUT A MASS EMAIL WARNING TO ALL SOLDIERS DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THE ISSUE.  That never ever happened.

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    It's early though. (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 04:19:19 PM EST


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