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Former CIA officer John Kiriakou has been charged in federal court in Virginia with leaking information, perhaps pertaining to waterboarding, the capture of Abu Zubaydah and the interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The Justice Department also said that the information Kiriakou supplied to journalists also contributed to a subsequent security breach at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay. Kiriakou’s disclosures, according to the Justice Department, enabled defense attorneys to obtain photographs of CIA operatives suspected of being involved in controversial interrogations, pictures that were subsequently discovered in prisoners’ cells.

Mexico strikes again at the Sinaloa Cartel, killing Luis Alberto Cabrera-Sarabia, who was appointed to take over for his brother Felipe Cabrera Sarabria, after his arrest last month. 10 or 11 others were arrested and presented to the media.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    For anyone who missed (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CST on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:05:16 PM EST
    the pats/ravens game, I thought this was the best recap I've read today.

    Complete with a BTD-esque headline and some awesomely timed photos.  It's written by NESN so it's the game through the eyes of a pats fan, but he doesn't pull any punches.

    I'll be the first to admit I wouldn't be having this conversation at all today if the game went the other way, so my condolences to the Ravens fans of the blog, but I just can't help myself.

    Speaking of headlines, did see you (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:23:48 PM EST
    that headless woman in topless bar inmate is asking for parole?  Sd. he had no chance of a fair trial after that headline (which I did not realize was an actual headline (!).  

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    what?!?! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CST on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:27:37 PM EST
    I feel robbed.

    I thought BTD came up with that one on his own.  What a poseur.

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    Is it possible to plagiarize a headline? (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:34:34 PM EST
    Probably not--web freedom and all.  

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    Pretty Sure Copyright Police... (none / 0) (#40)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:17:32 PM EST
    ...would strongly disagree.

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    Well, if a headline could be considered (none / 0) (#80)
    by DFLer on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:28:20 PM EST
    analogous to a title, (song for eg.) titles are NOT copyrightable by the US Copyright Office

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    Ya But... (none / 0) (#145)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 11:17:11 AM EST
    I was joking.  But I would guarantee that the industry thinks that headline is off limits and since they have designated themselves the inter police, it might as well be covered.

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    WSJ link re parole request: (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:37:25 PM EST
    here

    Apparently there is also a black comedy movie with this title.  How could we have missed it?

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    I know how I missed it (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:36:30 PM EST
    "1983 tabloid headline"

    I was born in '84.  What's your excuse :)

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    Hmmmmmm. West coaster by then. (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:08:35 PM EST


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    No difference between Bush and Obama (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Andreas on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:48:00 PM EST
    That the Obama administration charges John Kiriakou while it continues to protect George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney and the other torture-terrorists and war criminals is yet another proof that there is no essential difference between Obama and Bush.

    Very Bushesque... (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:41:08 PM EST
    Going after the messenger and not addressing the message.

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    If the government wasn't selectively (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:49:53 PM EST
    leaking all the time, in an effort to sway public thinking and keep people in line, and wasn't retroactively classifying material that was previously unclassified, it might be easier or reasonable to believe that the government's actions originate in a real interest in national security, as opposed to the security of their own asses.

    Marcy Wheeler has a couple posts on the subject, here, here and here, and makes some good points.

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    Baaa waaa waaa (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:54:32 PM EST
    A friend just put on facebook a picture of Newt with the caption: Family Values: Using your daughters from your first wife to convince everyone that your second wife is lying about your third wife. ROTFLMAO!!!

    How 'bout them G-Men! (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:09:08 PM EST


    the game is the still the game (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    A vote is a terrible thing to waste, they say. But exactly when are votes wasted? Are they thrown away when cast for the least of multiple evils. Are they squandered when cast for what people really need and want, even if that means a Democrat might not win? Are they lost when people with few or no good choices stay home? Or have voters already been robbed when the menu is limited to corporate-funded Republicans vs. corporate-funded Democrats?

    [snip]

    This is what Eugene Debs referred to a century ago, when he declared he would rather cast a meaningful vote for what did want, and not get it, than a fake and hollow one for what he didn't want, and get that.

    And so, a hundred years later, the game is still the game. If we want our votes to have any meaning, it's time to reject the fake choices between the two corporate parties. It's time to wise up, to grow up and like adults, to take a view longer than dessert, or the next two or three elections

    How To Waste Your Vote In 2012
    by Bruce A. Dixon,
    Managing Editor, Black Agenda Report, 01/18/2012

    best debate video caption so far (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:04:47 PM EST
    THE BASE IS REVOLTING

    well yeah

    Tenn Tea Party seeks to whitewash (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Yman on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:06:39 PM EST
    ... references to slavery and slave ownership by the Founding Fathers in history texts.

    Too Funny (none / 0) (#2)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:05:54 PM EST
    In regards to the sunken ship:
    "The company is not only going to refund everybody, but they will offer a 30% discount on future cruises if they want to stay loyal to the company," a spokesman for Costa Cruises, a subsidiary of Carnival Cruise Lines, told the London newspaper The Telegraph.

    I seriously though this was a joke.
    LINK
    __________

    Also, Rand Paul was briefly detained for not allowing TSA a pat down after some sort of malfunction of a scanner.

    Hate his politics, except for some exceptions including TSA.  I wish more high profile people would stand up for their rights at the airport.

    Votes are scheduled for today, which of course would make the detention illegal.  TSA denied he was being detained.
    LINK

    ont the other hand (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:10:30 PM EST
    why should he be treated any different than your grandmother?

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    Captain (none / 0) (#5)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:17:33 PM EST
    Amazing, you almost always read something into a post that is never stated.

    And for the record, I don't think they should get any preferential treatment, but the Constitution does.  I believe it was written to keep authorities from from influencing votes via non-sense arrests.

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    I was not (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:19:37 PM EST
    relying on the comment to make my point.  the laws suck.  change them.  dont make exceptions for "smell you" senators.

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    I would also (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:36:35 PM EST
    add that by NOT making exceptions for people like Randi and making them throw a tantrum it make it more likely that the laws will be changed.

    so in one sense I agree that I wish more pampered celebrities would throw tantrums.

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    Or anybody... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:55:19 PM EST
    with spare time and the money to make bail and hire a kick-arse attorney.

    It's the only way it will change...civil disobedience in large numbers, but most people can't afford it, not have the stomach for all the hassles resistance entails.

    The detaining a senator thing is a nice loophole...if this detainment bites the TSA in the arse I'm all for it, and I applaud it.  

    Senators Congressmen please heed the call,
    object to the TSA grabbing your balls.
    Do it for constituents
    without the wherewithal.

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    I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:59:04 PM EST
    I was wondering why someone has not organized a OWS type of thing where thousands of people fly and intentionally gum up the works so on one gets anywhere

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    I like that idea... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:12:41 PM EST
    an OWS offspring would be marvelous...OPS, Occupy Police State.

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    Was Scott's grandma on that flight? (none / 0) (#81)
    by DFLer on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:30:20 PM EST


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    and (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:49:42 PM EST
    what would your point be?

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    it's a pointless joke (none / 0) (#104)
    by DFLer on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:37:26 PM EST


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    It's Why I Made the Post... (none / 0) (#146)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 11:19:10 AM EST
    ...that flew right over the captains head.

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    gosh (none / 0) (#147)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:28 AM EST
    I wish I was smart

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    One Can Dream (none / 0) (#164)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 04:08:01 PM EST


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    Pats Fan Question (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    What is that huge open space on one end of the Gillette Stadium for ?  It's huge and look like there is some sort of walkway over it.
    PIC HERE

    I have no idea (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:29:09 PM EST
    but I would imagine it's to get trucks/large equipment onto the field.

    It's still being used as a soccer field as well so maybe that's how they bring the goals in?

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    But... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:28:14 PM EST
    ...all stadiums are multiple use.

    It's like 50 foot wide, you could serious move a house through the space.  And it's prime real estate for fans.

    I can't think of any other stadium with anything like it.

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    you made me curious enough to google (none / 0) (#47)
    by CST on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:59:27 PM EST
    according to wiki, cuz Kraft thought it looked cool.

    "Kraft insisted on it having a "front door" with a Disneyland-like entrance."

    He paid for 100% of it, and it's his lost money.

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    Awesome (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:45:02 PM EST
    I Googled "Gillette Stadium Entrance" that is pretty cool.  PIC

    I, like you, figured it was utilitarian, never would have guessed it was aesthetic.  Not sure why, but I really like it.

    And if they ever need to move a house into the stadium, now they can...

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    this may all just be too much fun (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:17:51 PM EST
    Newt is one point behind Willard in the gallup national poll and 8 points ahead of him in FL.

    I honestly cant decide who I enjoy watching panic more him or Ann Coulter.
    who would have ever believed she would get bent about someone going off on the liberal media.

    meantime Willard is cranking it up.  I just saw him do the "if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck . . . " thing.
    note to Willard.  I would stay away from the duck metaphors.

    Watching George Romney run for the presidency was like watching a duck try to make love to a football.

                - Governor Jim Rhodes of Ohio

    this is all before noon on monday.  holy sh!t.  what will happen by friday?

    I could (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:38:20 PM EST
    care less about Romney getting upset but Coulter having a panic attack is just priceless.

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    why (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:21:58 PM EST
    is this man smiling?

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    The Funny Part (none / 0) (#14)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:28:14 PM EST
    is that 12 months ago people were certain that Obama  was a one term president.

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    Not I (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:37:47 PM EST
    I alway said if the GOP didn't implode or nominate a nut case Obama was likely to lose. The GOP looks like it is going to either implode or nominate a nut case or both.

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    I am glad (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:43:28 PM EST
    we got the "both" option

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    Maybe the Republicans should go (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:13:59 PM EST
    back and look in the barrel for their rejects.  After all, if Gingrich can be Lazarus what about Cain. Cain was run off not so much for sexual harassment allegations as for a consensual extramarital affair, which somehow does have a familiar ring.  And, the Republican electorate seems OK with that, it was heterosexual and God forgives in such cases.

    Passing over Bachman may have been rash for on reflection, she doesn't seem to be that much of an outlier in this crowd; or Perry, he sort of quit once and came back, why not once again. Maybe he now remembers those departments he is going to get rid of.   Energy should not be that hard for a Texan, and then it is just two to go.   Huntsman's endorsement of Mitt can always be called back if his Dad comes up with some cash.  Surely Pawlenty is sorry he got out early, and then there is always, The Donald.  On second thought, let's let that dog sleep.  

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    I do kind of wonder (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:03:03 PM EST
    if Bachmann, Cain and Perry are kicking themselves.  As well as Huntsman, Pawlenty, et al.  I mean, really, if Newt could stay the course and resurrect himself, why not them?  
    But The Donald?  Come on, KeysDan.  The Donald?  LOL!

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    Pawlenty (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:31:40 PM EST
    especially.  talk about a missed opportunity.

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    No kidding (none / 0) (#70)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:50:33 PM EST
    He sure dropped out very early on.  Seems like he didn't even try very hard.

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    Oh, those Coulter quotes are priceless! (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:28:39 PM EST
    Great picture, too.

    Thank you Newt, for driving them all over the edge.

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    I think Newt is only getting started (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:42:16 PM EST
    been reading today and I am even more convinced he will win FL and the subsequent republican freakout will be epic beyond imagining.

    they are already talking about the 13 or so states whos filing deadline will not have passed by the FL primary and who could cut in.

    you know what.  please republicans.  please please please do that.  if the establishment trys to shove aside the leading candidate - especially when the primary driving force behind his campaign is anger - well, lets say this the republican convention this this fall in FL will make the 1968 democratic convention look like quilting night at aunt Bettys.

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    Wow. Newt and his minions storm the convention! (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:54:43 PM EST
    Can hardly wait!

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    Help Ruff.... (none / 0) (#82)
    by DFLer on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:33:06 PM EST
    can't seem to find post that has the coulter link...

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    If you click the 'him or Ann coulter' (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:40:29 PM EST
    text in capt howdy's parent post to my comment....there she is in all her bats%*+ glory.

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    thanks...didn,t see the blue words 1st time (none / 0) (#105)
    by DFLer on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:42:30 PM EST


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    The "aggressive" Romney (none / 0) (#17)
    by christinep on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:34:28 PM EST
    I had heard that when Willard/Mitt decided that he needed to go the "aggressive" route in Florida in last time around ('08), that the results weren't promising for him & the strategy lost votes. When I heard some soundbytes from today's would-be boffo start=up of a leaner, meaner candidate, I thought that there was a hint as to why that tactic may prove problematic. Namely--to my ears, anyway--his stronger push sounds strident, whiny, and in monotone.

    I'm one of those types that respond to sound more than other clues--tone, meter, change of pace, etc. (audio type) Lots of people do...and, for lots more, the how of something being said can be more important than what has been said. Who knows how it reads; and, we don't read transcripts so much. Anyway...to me, his voice seemed raised a notch without varying tone (rat-a-tat rat-a-tat and all that.) Whiny--not quite screechy--whiny.  Contrast ol' Newtie: The actor in him, after all these years, sounds at once confiding, thoughtful & confident...at other times snide, sarcastic...and still others, broad & mellifluous even...and now he even has found a decent laugh (hear again Mitt's forced ha-ha.)

    Darn. I'm wasting entirely too much time listening to debates...Republican no less.

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    I said in another thread (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:03:22 PM EST
    that Newt has been practicing his TV performances for years. He does have all of the presentational skills nailed. In that way, he IS Reaganesque!

    Poor GOP...all they had to do this year was pick a sane candidate with a reasonably attractive personality - Pawlenty, Huntsman, the list goes on.  They could not bring themselves to do it.

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    but you shold not miss tonights (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:38:03 PM EST
    we are going to be treated to Mitts irritated Shitzu impression and Newt will be laying in wait for him like a hungry python.

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    What an image... (none / 0) (#38)
    by christinep on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:15:12 PM EST
    Irritated Shitzu and python...now how am I going to listen to the sounds without laughing at the overlaid image!

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    The Big Money Republicans are (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:02:33 PM EST
    freaking out so hard about Gingrich there is NO WAY he wins Florida.  It isn't happening.  They will buy him off, and if that doesn't work they might even snuff him and cover for each other :).

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    Baa waa waa (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:08:45 PM EST
    you have to wonder what they are going to do about Newt. I don't know when I have laughed so much at politics. They have to know what a disaster he would be on the national stage.

    You should see Romney's new ad. It features Obama as smiling at the thought of facing Newt.

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    Mitt has spent (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:16:53 PM EST
    10 million buck (already not including the 7 they just invested) on ads like that in FL and he is 9 points behind.  I heard a local reporter say people are completely discounting it and he needs new material.

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    and Newt sofar (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:20:55 PM EST
    has spent 0

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    He has a superpac sugar daddy (none / 0) (#93)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:43:00 PM EST
    He does not have to spend a dime

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    it has been reported (none / 0) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 08:42:46 PM EST
    I can only rely on that, that Newts superpac had not spent a dime in FL until sat when they made a measly 100,000 dollar buy for internet ads.  I am sure that will change but the fact is he has not spent money in FL until now.  or all the news sources are lying.

    Mitts has spent millions.  again this is what is being reported.  10 million against Newt and millions against others.

    I linked to CS monitor below that said they so far have outspent all rivals by 20-1.  these are reported facts.  

    I dont make sh!t up.  

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    btw (none / 0) (#108)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 08:49:30 PM EST
    there have been anti Romney superpac ad running but they have nothing to do with Newt.  AFSCME is spending money and Santorums pac is and I would imagine Paul but that is not Newt.

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    ftr (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:14:43 PM EST
    I think he will win because big money republicans are freaking out.

    I saw one of him minions, the particularly odious Kelly Ann Conway, this morning say something I thought was interesting.  she said they are looking more to the 2010 election than teh 2008 election for the way the are running things.  that in 2010 republicans all over the country snubbed the establishment candidates and sent batsh!t crazies (my description not hers) to washington.  and this is absolutely true.  but here is the thing.  if they think getting some whack job elected from a district gerrymandered to include like minded whack jobs is in any way transferable to a national presidential campaign.  well, thats good news for us.

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    He will destroy down ticket Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:18:49 PM EST
    They will not tolerate it Captain.  I have heard now 4 different Republicans discuss on the tube how he is going to destroy down ticket Republicans and tip the balance of power completely to the Dems in such a way that it could leave a permanent mark.  It isn't going to happen.  I fully expect Republican voters to fall quickly in line because they are very good at doing what they are told when the voice is stern.

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    what exactly will they do? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:22:49 PM EST
    in elections there are these annoying wild cards called "voters".  if Newt keeps winning I dont see what they do.  I really dont.

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    and about the stern voice thing (none / 0) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:30:37 PM EST
    I heard it said today that republicans have been told what they ought to do for months and in SC they did what they wanted to do.

    I think they will do the same in FL and the numbers definitely support that.

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    It's funny (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:37:33 PM EST
    that SC is the one that finally disobeyed and they have been the most obedient for decades. I call the SC GOP the baa baa conservatives but Nikki Haley endorsing Romney may have really hurt him. She is detested in the state but then the idiots in SC KNEW what they were voting for. I keep telling my family in SC if you keep voting for these idiots and expect different results then you are the idiot yourself.

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    IMO (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:41:04 PM EST
    the problem is not his supporters it is Romney.
    he is the worst candidate ever. honestly I think if her were a better politician some of the other stuff would be less important but the dogs aint eating the dog food.  and the packaging and commercials are not going to matter.


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    I don't (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:46:04 PM EST
    really think it's Romney's political skills because it's not like Newt has good ones. The problem is that the voting base is so nuts that they want a nut.

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    I think you are dead (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:49:37 PM EST
    wrong about his political skills.

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    Well (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    then if you believe that then you really wouldn't want the GOP to nominate him.

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    I have to agree (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:46:21 PM EST
    Look at 2008. He was awful then too. They did not really want to pick McCain - if Romney had decent skills he would have been the nominee then.

    Gotta wonder why the GOP did not work harder to groom someone new. Guess they thought Obama would  be unbeatable.

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    They really haven't yet (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:42:54 PM EST
    Usually they just go with the establishment "suggestion", they haven't been told yet.  But they are beginning to get told now.

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    they havent been told yet (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:50:12 PM EST
    if they havent they must be living under a rock

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    Dude, I would love it if Newt could win (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:53:48 PM EST
    They won't let that happen though and they haven't rolled out any guns like they are now.  They have Republican operatives going on "News" channels saying Newt is going to blow them all up.

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    so just to be clear (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:56:44 PM EST
    are you saying he wont get the nomination or that he wont win FL (which many seem to think probably amounts to the same thing)

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    btw (none / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:58:50 PM EST
    Romney said today that whoever wins FL will be the nominee.

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    I didn't think he'd take Florida in the end (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:02:16 PM EST
    But when every big gun in the Republican party is going to come out shooting at him now, do you really expect him to survive it to the point of winning Florida because I don't see how it is possible?

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    I see it as not only (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:05:44 PM EST
    possible but likely.

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    ftr (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:08:12 PM EST
    Romney outspent him 2-1 at least in SC and lost by 14 points.  he has spent 10 million bucks on attack ads in FL and he is 8 points behind while Newt has spent 0.  he already has every establishment endorsement in the world.  all that is doing is helping Newt look like the outsider and whatever you expect them to do will do the same.

    you honestly think FL voters have not been following this nomination fight?

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    Don't be fooled (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:14:57 PM EST
    by the spending only by the campaigns -- and only on television advertising, all that is being reported.  

    Gingrich has a Super PAC that spent a fortune on television ads in S.C. and is doing so in Florida, according to a Bloomberg story earlier today.

    Romney's spending -- his and his Super PAC's -- is still 'way ahead, but that's expected to pay off in the early votes already cast.  Gingrich certainly can surpass him, but not for nothing.  

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    I am not fooled I read (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:41:58 PM EST
    politico

    But as Romney heads to the Sunshine State, he'll run headlong into the buzzsaw that is a $1 million television ad campaign sponsored by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. The campaign is entitled "greed" and specifically targets Romney.

    Meanwhile, the pro-Gingrich super PAC Winning Our Future on Saturday purchased $100,000 worth of general Internet ads that promote the former House speaker and attack Romney.

    cs monitor

    Mitt Romney super PAC outspending rivals 20-to-1 in Florida

    Although operating separately from the campaigns, the PACs are intimately familiar with the candidates' strategies. The PACs have become the new bullies on the block during the 2012 campaign, spending more than $31 million so far.

    More than half of that -- $16.1 million as of Sunday -- had gone toward "negative" ads, aimed at attacks on a rival.

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    btw (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:44:32 PM EST
    the specific numbers I quoted in that comment I heard on msnbc moments before

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    also (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:45:20 PM EST
    the 2-1 number in SC included superpacs.  google it.

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    Exactly, so you now are telling (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:01:35 PM EST
    me what I already posted and don't need to google -- that it's simplistic to fall for the statements by candidates that their campaigns are spending nothing or not much and to ignore the SuperPACs.

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    so (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:03:18 PM EST
    what exactly do you base your opinions on?

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    usa today (none / 0) (#98)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:59:13 PM EST
    Still, Gingrich was outspent by more than 2-1 by Romney allies in South Carolina to little avail.

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    Yes, you can stop now (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:02:47 PM EST
    as I already said that Romney spent more.

    The point is that it's disingenuous to repeat the disingenuous statements that Gingrich spent zero.

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    when that poll was taken (none / 0) (#103)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:04:14 PM EST
    Gingrich had spent zero.  if you dont want your bull thrown back at you dont post it.

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    You continue to be err (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:21:39 PM EST
    on SuperPAC spending and timing, according to reports I read in Bloomberg and a marketing publication for media.  So I'll keep basing my "opinion," as you call it -- reporting -- on the facts from media who are raking it in from the pols.

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    Towanda, the reality is that unless (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:30:14 PM EST
    you have the time to make 300-400 comments a week, Howdy will just keep chattering away with whatever nonsense is working for him at any given moment; "dog with a bone" is the phrase that comes to mind, but perhaps "over-caffeinated dog with a bone" would be more appropriate.

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    you can (none / 0) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:33:06 PM EST
    whine to each other or you can provide some links.

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    and dont forget (none / 0) (#116)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:36:39 PM EST
    the mutual "5s" for you whines

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    why dont you post some links (none / 0) (#112)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:28:31 PM EST
    showing my "err"

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    perhaps you are referring to this (none / 0) (#114)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:32:18 PM EST
    Bloomberg article

    Big Media Market

    During the past three weeks, Romney's campaign and its allies have spent millions of dollars on radio, television and direct-mail in a state that is one of the costliest because of its size and 11 media markets. Gingrich has yet to start television advertising in Florida.

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    So you now see the need (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Towanda on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:32:15 PM EST
    to qualify your comments considerably by noting the difference between "spending zero" and spending zero on television advertising.

    Good.  You have learned something.

    (Yes, that is one of the articles I read to figure out what you were constantly saying, without any links to explain the silliness of your statements.)

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    that is lamest (none / 0) (#150)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:34:27 PM EST
    attempt at ass covering for blatant bull slinging I have ever seen.

    please continue

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    Wow. You really don't see (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Towanda on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:47:42 PM EST
    the reason, the need for clear and concise communication?

    Not your sort of nasty communications, like this one in your current cycle -- but communications to contribute to conversations among those of us who want to understand current events.  It's not a contribution to say that a candidate has spent nothing, when that candidate (and his Super PAC) has spent something, and when what is needed is to clarify where the differences do exist in spending.  Try it.

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    unhuh (1.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:55:29 PM EST
    if you actually would like to "understand current events" try reading the damn article instead of running your mouth. because if you did you would see that he candidate AND his superpac SPENT NOTHING.

    I dont actually expect you to do that but I expect others will so I am done with this ridiculous exchange.  I will give you the last word.  enjoy it piously lecturing the the ether.

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    Well, golly, I guess you've been so busy (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:16:46 PM EST
    setting some new records for number-of-comments-posted that you missed some pertinent information in your quest to prove that not spending money on TV ads is equivalent to not spending any money at all.

    Here, I'll give you this to chew on, form Broadcasting & Cable (all emphasis is mine):

    Local TV managers in the Sunshine State say Romney has had an on-air presence for weeks. Both the candidate and the Restore our Future PAC that endorses his candidacy increased spend as Gingrich's corresponding PAC, Winning Our Future, began to spend after the Jan. 21 South Carolina showdown. Dr. Miriam Adelson will reportedly contribute $5 million to Winning Our Future, after her husband, Sheldon, previously kicked in his own $5 million.

    Winning Our Future's attack ads helped Gingrich take South Carolina over Romney by around 12 percentage points -- and set the stage for a battle royale in Florida. "What happened with Gingrich over the weekend caused both sides to spend money," says Jim Zerwekh, vice president and general manager at WTEV-WAWS Jacksonville.

    Gingrich's camp has inquired about buying air time, say station chiefs in various Florida markets, but as of presstime had not run ads. Rick Santorum has not been on air either, they add, but is expected to. Ron Paul is not expected to make a TV splash in Florida, where ad rates may not match up with his media budget.

    The spending pattern thus far in the caucuses and primaries has been a blizzard of TV ads very close to voting time. Florida has not been different, the calls pouring in the morning of January 23rd. "It started off slower than we thought, but that's definitely changed," says Rich Pegram, vice president and general manager at WFTS Tampa. "It's definitely blowing past expectations."

    Romney's super PAC is the big spender thus far in Florida, according to multiple station chiefs, with Gingrich's PAC and Romney's own camp trailing.

    See - you learn something every day!

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    thank you so much for making my point sweety (none / 0) (#158)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:19:40 PM EST
    Gingrich's corresponding PAC, Winning Our Future, began to spend after the Jan. 21 South Carolina showdown

    Newt had spent no money in FL until after the SC primary.

    you really should pay more attention before ham handedly trying to score points.

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    Not a problem, "Beavis;" (none / 0) (#160)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:29:08 PM EST
    if you hadn't already posted 56 freaking comments just today, I might have been able to keep track of what your point was.

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    I am not surprised (none / 0) (#161)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:29:50 PM EST
    there is medication that might help

    hugs

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    ps (none / 0) (#162)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:30:48 PM EST
    I just love the way you and jbindc start counting comments when you are losing.

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    Sigh. He's still misstating (none / 0) (#165)
    by Towanda on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 07:15:02 PM EST
    and missing my point, which is that there are  large differences between (a) "spending no money" and (b) spending no money on television advertising, and (c) a candidate's campaign spending and (d) a candidate's SuperPAC spending.

    I come here to gain information and nuance that is lacking in the simplistic reporting by mainstream media, so I don't appreciate simplistic reporting here that prevents getting to the reporting by commenters who communicate new, useful information -- communicating, not just typing.

    For anyone else actually interested in detailed understanding of the spending, WaPo has a "Mad Money" feature that differentiates between candidates and their SuperPACs, for example.  Unfortunately, it's behind while awaiting verification of more recent spending, but when it is updated, we will know more about spending in S.C. -- and, of course, in Florida.

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    I don't think Howdy does nuance; (none / 0) (#166)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    how could he when he's commenting at such a furious pace?  I mean the guy put up almost 70 comments today before Jeralyn told him to cool it - that's not about communicating, it's about attention-seeking.

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    hie sweety (none / 0) (#169)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 09:32:29 AM EST
    well
    I certainly seem to have your attention.

    btw that was my fourth comment today.

    dont lose count now.  we depend on you for important stuff like that.

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    links links (none / 0) (#168)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 09:31:21 AM EST
    show my a link showing any evidence of what you just mumbled.  

    please I really really want to know where you get your information.  you are SO well informed.


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    "useful information" (none / 0) (#170)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jan 25, 2012 at 09:34:53 AM EST
    like the stuff you pull out of your butt?

    (thats 5 ann)

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    the original point actually being (none / 0) (#159)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:27:27 PM EST
    that when those post SC polls came out with Newt 8 points ahead he had not spent a cent in FL while Mitt had spent millions attacking him.

    thanks again.  hugs

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    however (none / 0) (#155)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:03:58 PM EST
    there is one thing I would be interested in.

    provide a link showing that money was spent by Newt before the dates in those articles.

    you obviously take the information so seriously why not share it?

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    excuse me (none / 0) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 01:06:22 PM EST
    Newt OR his superpac

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    I would rate that a 10 (none / 0) (#152)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:38:20 PM EST
    if I could

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    I don't see how it matters (none / 0) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:04:08 PM EST
    When the money available to Mitt is virtually unlimited when compared to what is available to Newt.

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    it matters because (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:08:42 PM EST
    unlike others I do not pull facts out of my ass.

    and I am happy to demonstrate that fact

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    What facts out of what ass? (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:16:45 PM EST
    Romney IS the smoke filled rooms Republican candidate and those people are very scared right now.  I don't see how his coffers aren't virtually endless (particularly with Citizen's United) at this time unless that same "establishment" comes up with a way to launch someone else at this time that has a hope (which seems pretty hopeless to me).

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    perhaps (none / 0) (#126)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:18:04 PM EST
    you should actually read the thread

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    Why are you taking all this crystal ball stuff (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:24:54 PM EST
    so personally?  My crystal ball is faulty, so is yours or you would be Vegas right now :)  I'm just telling you what I think based on my past exposure to what the money gears in the establishment Republican party can and will do.

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    you may rely (none / 0) (#130)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:30:23 PM EST
    on a crystal ball.  I do not. I rely on actual information.   and I think I have demonstrated that quite clearly and I am done now.

    but I suppose I understand the problem now if the assumption was the reliability of our mutual balls.

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    but more to the point (none / 0) (#125)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:16:50 PM EST
    that is not actually true.

    The Cash Man Cometh: Mogul Ponies Up $5 Million More For Gingrich

    and the guy is a billionaire.  he can just as easily write a 50 million dollar check.

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    5 million is nice, I'm certain Newt is thrilled (none / 0) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:22:18 PM EST
    But I think that 5 million isn't anything compared to what the Republican establishment can pull out of their asses to instruct Florida that it must be Romney or the Republican brand will be permanently damaged.  Just my take though.

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    I am sure their (none / 0) (#129)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:27:39 PM EST
    asses are practically bottomless but the actual point being discussed there was when Gringrich started spending in FL.  

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    What has happened to you lately? (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:04:18 PM EST
    Never mind, have a great life and whatever.

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    MT, haven't you noticed (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Towanda on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:35:32 PM EST
    that it's not just lately?  It happens in cycles.  Some days, we just have to wait it out. . . .

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    not a thing has "happened to me" (none / 0) (#134)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:13:50 PM EST
    you started commenting on a conversation when you had no idea what was actually being discussed.

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    I live here too (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:27:16 PM EST
    I've learned a few things about Florida in the past seven years.  I live closer to Florida than you do.  I live 40 miles from the panhandle.  Whatever though man, be who you be....whatever

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    I honestly (none / 0) (#136)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:31:14 PM EST
    have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Nevermind (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:32:24 PM EST
    Owner of threads.  Angry if someone doesn't completely agree with you on how everything is going to happen and how it all goes down.  Carry on man

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    look (none / 0) (#138)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:39:18 PM EST
    lets lay this out ok

    I made a point that newt had spent no money in FL

    that point was challenged.

    I demonstrated that it was in fact true.

    at which point you jumped in inquiring why that mattered

    I tried to explain to you why it mattered because I do not like being called liar.

    and you started going on about something that had nothing to do with your original question as to "why it mattered"

    ok?
    I dont like being called a liar and I will defend myself when that happens and I dont give a damn if you think that means some bull about owner of threads.

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    What I understand Captain (none / 0) (#139)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:53:09 PM EST
    Is that this crazy Republican race is getting to you and you are not your casual observer of things Republican self.  And I'm sticking to that :)  Relax man, we are all friends here.... even Jim sometimes.

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    serious question (none / 0) (#140)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:54:17 PM EST
    have you been drinking?

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    Wow! Four?!! (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 07:51:25 PM EST
    Gosh, that's quite a consensus you got there, MT.

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    Heh, well I can see that you understand nothing (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:06:46 PM EST
    about how the real game is played particularly along Republican party lines, but that isn't unusual for the more "Conservative" voter.

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    Well, I guess I need a liberal Democrat (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:36:52 PM EST
    to tell me all about the internal workings of the conservative mind the same way I need a non-southerner to tell me all about southern culture.

    ;-)

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    When did you convert to Islam? (5.00 / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 07:39:16 AM EST
    Because you sure do love to pretend you know the "internal workings of the Muslim mind" and their secret plot to bring Shariah to the US.

    Heh.

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    I've been in a room with Dick Cheney (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 11:03:01 PM EST
    when he represented Wyoming, and I watched him snub his whole volunteer staff as if they meant nothing to him while he went into the smoke filled room with 5 very important men (I guess), have you?

    Republican campaign volunteers, I think they keep many a Dominatrix busy and fed :)

    Everybody was partying together that night though, I was at that particular bar partying because once again Wyoming had done what it always does and elects itself a Democrat for Governor.  That was my win :)

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    Wow (none / 0) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 09:57:12 AM EST
    You've read 4 YouTubes and been in a room Cheney.

    I give up, MT. Your vast network obviously qualifies you to be an expert on....on....on....

    ..... give me time, I'll think of something.

    ;-)

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    Not sure that's a path ... (none / 0) (#144)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 10:05:12 AM EST
    ... that you - of all people - want to go down.

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    Anyone else thought about (none / 0) (#8)
    by Amiss on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:21:47 PM EST
    what "President Mitt" or "President Newt" actually sound like?

    "Bertie" even had the good sense to change his "familiar" name to his fathers name of "George".

    I will say from a former thread that got full, as a person raised in Fla. "Jeb" will not support anyone until the nomination, and "Mitt" will not win in Fla.

    Romney awoke (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:49:19 PM EST
    to find things were amiss in Florida :)

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    I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:22:43 PM EST
    you can smell the panic from Mitt off the teevee screen

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    For kdog: (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 02:26:17 PM EST
    Bukowski at the track

    You know what I like...;) (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:00:53 PM EST
    One good turn deserves another...Bukowski at the gas station with Nazis, Marxists, & Cops.

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    Good one. Easy to isualize from his description (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:11:53 PM EST


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    Sunset, Wilton, Franklin... (none / 0) (#61)
    by Dadler on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    I know those streets well, lived on and around them for years, just the sound of them conjures images and memories almost forgotten.

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    The Kiriakou thing (none / 0) (#32)
    by lilburro on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:03:01 PM EST
    makes me sick.  

    Blind Mules (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 03:48:50 PM EST
    I wonder what the police reports say about the behavior of the "blind mules" and what can be learned?  

    After all, if you don't know it is there and the report says you were "talking fast" or "too calm" etc etc, as the basis, well you get the idea...

    Such a wonderful looking couple... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:09:22 PM EST
    Which side is your heart on?

    Lol. My first Facebook hoax photo report! (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:59:26 PM EST
    That was fun!

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    Edger (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by sj on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:50:30 PM EST
    Had you seen this?  Occupy this album.

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    I knew that Jackson Browne (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:58:24 PM EST
    had visited and performed for OWS last year, but this is the first I've heard of this. Thanks!

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    It's quite a roster (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by sj on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:01:48 PM EST
    they have there.  I'm looking forward to it.

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    I hope Yoko (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 10:08:36 PM EST
    plays cowbell or maracas or something, and that they don't give her a mic check....

    (ducks)

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    I know, right? (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by sj on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 12:18:33 AM EST
    LOL

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    Cool - will get that one. (none / 0) (#163)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 02:13:05 PM EST
    Also there is a 4 disc collection of Dylan covers, the proceeds of which go to Amnesty International.

    chimes of Freedom - the Songs of Bob Dylan. There look to be some gems in there.

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    Wow. I hadn't heard about that one (none / 0) (#167)
    by sj on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 10:57:26 PM EST
    I agree about some of those gems.  I don't know if they will iTunes it, but that's one that I'll get the whole thing.  With the paycheck after the next one.

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    Come On... (none / 0) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:51:53 PM EST
    Like right wing hacks don't know how to flip an image.

    I googled Michelle, and her part varies.  And the ring on Obama at least, looks photoshopped.

    His jacket buttons are on the correct side.  I just have a hard time believing they both got it wrong.

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    I thought the same as you (none / 0) (#78)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:10:34 PM EST
    I do graphics work, so I took it into photoshop, blew it up to six times it's size and looked very closely. It's definitely not a flipped image.

    The buttons on his jacket are on the right side, where they are supposed to be, and the flag pin is on the left, where it is supposed to be.

    Here is his official portrait - you'll notice the flag pin is on the left side - same as in the picture above.

    You could switch their arms with photoshop or any good image editing software without flipping the image - but it would leave traces you could see on really close examination.

    Their wedding rings are on their left hands on their chests... and I don't see any signs of tampering.

    I could be wrong - there could be and probably are better people at graphics than I am, but I think the picture is a real photo.

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    Its chopped (5.00 / 0) (#88)
    by BTAL on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:17:11 PM EST
    unless the Marines in the background chose to where there medals on the wrong side that day.

    Also, go check out Snopes.

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    Jeeze, I hope so.... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:29:09 PM EST


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    You're right, I think.... (none / 0) (#111)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 09:28:17 PM EST


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    Nice Catch (none / 0) (#148)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 at 11:29:46 AM EST


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    clearly (none / 0) (#87)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:15:05 PM EST
    it's either a sooper-dooper secret Kenyan Muslim Socialist gesture (like the fist bump) or a gangsta sign

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    Heh! (none / 0) (#90)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 06:30:07 PM EST


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    Santorum (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 04:17:58 PM EST
    takes the high road

    The lady continued, Obama "totally ignores" the Constitution, prompting a nod of approval from Santorum. Then she went even further with her conspiracy rant:

        He is an avowed Muslim. [applause] And my question is: why isn't something being done to get him out of our government? He has no legal right to be calling himself President.

    In an exemplary show of cowardice, Santorum did not tell the woman that she had her facts wrong or even bother to distance himself from the previous comments. Instead, he did the opposite, giving sanction to her views. "I'm doing my best to get him out" of office, Santorum said, "and you're right about -- he uniformly ignores the Constitution."

    Give the neanderthals (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:43:23 PM EST
    of talk radio, the pastors-of-apocalypse, and the neocons a few more years, and they'll have half the country reduced to the intellectual level of drooling, barely-ambulatory, paranoid schizophrenics..whose core values and beliefs the future Santorums and Gingriches won't be able to afford to risk alienating.

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    what ever else (none / 0) (#109)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 08:58:50 PM EST
    you might say about McCain you have to give him credit for standing up to this sh!t last time.

    it makes Ricky look pretty weak by comparison.

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    And, a guy at the event (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 23, 2012 at 05:24:26 PM EST
    who chanted "no hate" was dragged out by security.  

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