Tuesday Afternoon Open thread

Open Thread.

Bill Clinton tonight in the 10 o'clock hour. Also Meryl Streep and Alicia Keys.

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    Roll call set to begin (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 03:41:49 PM EST
    Any minute (probably 5 pm).

    History is about to be made.

    Bernie smiles!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 04:08:57 PM EST
    That was actually (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 05:57:19 PM EST
    Sort of fun that they managed to make that whole boring role call thing interesting.

    Good for Bernie.  History is officially made.

    I've never watched a Roll Call before. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:05:03 PM EST
    Is it always like this?
    I admit to getting a little teary eyed when Bernie's brother cast his vote for Bernie and also when Hillary's friend did the same for her.

    Yes. Always a free ad for each state. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:22:02 PM EST
    Why was Clinton not in the arena to see (none / 0) (#15)
    by vml68 on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:50:35 PM EST
    the moment she became the official nominee?
    Is that convention?

    Yes, it is the custom of both the Democratic (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:56:37 PM EST
    Party and the Republican Party that the nominee does not appear at the convention until the last night. Trump threw that out the window this year  for the GOP.

    I am not sure why this is the custom.Perhaps Donald can enlighten us.


    Which Donald - Trump or me? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:05:27 PM EST

    Okay, let me try. Up until the 1950s, most party presidential nominations were often in doubt right up until the moment of the roll call, and there was always a lot of back-of-the-house horse trading involved amongst the campaigns, in efforts to secure the necessary number of delegates to gain that coveted nomination for their candidate.

    No doubt, most presidential candidates themselves considered it undignified that they would be seen wheeling and dealing on their own behalf on the convention floor, so that dirty work was left to campaign managers and operatives, who had no such compulsions about political decorum.

    In fact, until Gov. Franklin Roosevelt broke precedent and flew to Chicago on the final night of the Democratic Convention in 1932 to accept the party's nomination and address the delegates in person, it had generally been the custom for nominees to not appear at their respective party conventions at all. Instead, they'd graciously accept the nomination by proxy, sending a written message to the convention which was then read to the delegates from the podium by the nominee's designated representative.



    Roll call votes used to be quite contentious. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 07:46:54 PM EST
    At the 1880 Republican national convention in Chicago, it took 35 separate roll call ballots before exasperated GOP delegates finally turned to progressive U.S. Rep. James Garfield of Ohio on the 36th, after they had repeatedly deadlocked on the contest between Ohio Sen. John Sherman and former President Ulysses Grant.

    Congressman Garfield was effectively drafted even though he had always been squarely in Sherman's camp, after giving what many historians regard as one of greatest convention floor speeches in U.S. political history in support of his fellow Ohioan. Sherman himself was moved to offer up Garfield's name in his stead, as a means to finally deny the nomination to his detested rival Grant once and for all.

    Garfield went on to win the presidency the following November and took office on March 4, 1881, only to be shot in the back by deranged office seeker Charles Guiteau at a Washington railway station 16 weeks later. After 11 weeks of physical struggle, complicated by his doctor's ignorance of new sterilization protocols, he finally succumbed to a massive sepsis infection on September 19, 1881.

    "James Garfield" is the answer to the trivia question, "Who is the only sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives to have ever been elected president?"



    disappointed to hear (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by athyrio on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:33:50 PM EST
    that Bernie isn't going to fundraise or give up his email list to Hillary campaign for the general...that's just sour grapes IMO...sorry but he really is still sitting on a fence...heard this on MSNBC

    On the other hand (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:43:16 PM EST
    the Bernie supporters are no longer booing at the convention.

    Hillary vs Bernie (none / 0) (#16)
    by athyrio on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:54:59 PM EST
    TRUE...just not feeling the bern at this point at all and kinda sad that they took a moment away from Hillary as she so graciously gave to Obama in 2008...why do they always pile up on the woman Hillary....if I were her I would be collapsed in the corner at this point....I so admire her for her thick skin and courage...how much can a person take of these constant lies...and Bernie didn't help it either during his campaign...he got a lot of votes by piling oh her with more lies. Oh well....she is the nominee and god willing will be the prez....

    Fewer boos . . . (none / 0) (#21)
    by JanaM on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:24:54 PM EST
    They may be exercising better pass control.

    Imo (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:28:54 PM EST
    His list probably isn't worth much to Hillary.  His supporters that wabt to donate easily can.

    Last night will be tough to beat (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 03:56:09 PM EST
    But if the Big Dog sticks to highlighting Hillary and stays away from attacking Trump it could be a very big night again.

    Yes, hope President (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 04:20:54 PM EST
    Clinton presents a positive, good morning in America type speech, and focuses on Hillary, her long-term efforts doing as much as she could for as many as she could.

    Trump should be discussed by contrast.  An indirect contrast with Trump's morticious, midnight in America, and his campaign of nostalgia and a last stand for the ways things were thought to be, or were for a few.


    "moriticious" (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 04:49:02 PM EST
    Dark and dreary like.

    am hoping (none / 0) (#18)
    by athyrio on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:58:57 PM EST
    that the BIG DOG will take this night to the heights for his beloved Hillary and sock it to the country by pointing out how strong and honest she truly is....

    There are days when I read Charles Pierce, ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 05:39:41 PM EST
    ... and I just marvel at his eloquent analysis. And then there are days when I read Charles Pierce, and I only see Eeyore from the Winnie the Pooh books.

    That post was not written by Charlie (none / 0) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 05:46:36 PM EST
    Pierce. It was written by Margaret Doris.

    Thank you for that clarification. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:10:21 PM EST
    That explains Eeyore's occasional presence on his blog. I shouldn't assume that every post on it is Pierce's. Margaret Doris is his wife.

    Glad the DNC twisted itself into knots (none / 0) (#12)
    by midcenturymod on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 06:33:10 PM EST
    to satisfy Bernie so that he could not campaign for Hillary or anything else after the convention. If I never see another Bernie tee or Hillary for prison tee again it will be too soon. Wonder how much rat f@cking the Repubs can do once the primaries are open, etc.?

    I hope we are wrong (none / 0) (#22)
    by JanaM on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:26:46 PM EST
    but it's what I expected. He'll do enough to make himself look good especially on TV.

    What in the world possessed David Axelrod ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 26, 2016 at 08:37:27 PM EST
    ... to post this obscenely tone-deaf tweet?

    "Mothers of Movement was incredibly moving, but it would have been powerful to include widows of fallen police officers."

    Excuse me, but these mothers are not political props. Why TF would Axelrod insist that our public acknowledgement of their pain, courage and sacrifice be predicated upon the approval and / or inclusion of law enforcement? Didn't we just spend the better part of two weeks honoring police officers for what they do, while mourning the fallen in the aftermath of the Dallas and Baton Rouge attacks?

    Shame on him. What a fckn jerk.