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Suspicious Frontier Passengers: Cleared and Cooperative

By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21:12 PM EST
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Those suspicious people taken off the Frontier airlines plane in Detroit? One was ill, one had to use the bathroom. All three were cleared, and fully cooperative with police.

FBI Detroit spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said reports about sexual encounters taking place in the rest room are false, describing them as “stories spinning out of control.”

...[FBI Detroit spokeswoman Sandra] Berchtold said today "They’re victims of circumstance and victims of the day."

We are all victims of the day.

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    As if you have a choice... (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 01:34:14 PM EST
    to be uncooperative, they got tasers and guns up the wazoo!  Cooperation is de-facto mandatory.

    great game last night. (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:34:23 PM EST


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    Better to be lucky... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:57:50 PM EST
    than good, and that ugly pick Romo threw gift-wrapped the game.  

    The G-Men were neither lucky or good in the afternoon, could be a long year for Big Blue my friend.

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    We need a new QB. (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:02:29 PM EST


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    ...and a new secondary. (none / 0) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:06:04 PM EST


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    Kinda reminded me of a play off (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:50:18 PM EST
    game a few years ago.

    Sad.... But who called for a pass on 1st down on the 3???

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    The Manning Dynasty... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:44:00 PM EST
    ... seems to be disappearing.

    The Gmen got outplayed by Grossman, that sucks, and the Jets, well Romo loves to fumble when the game is one the line, or rather, to put the game on the line.

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    The new Manning (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:51:28 PM EST
    is playing QB at UTenn.

    But he needs some support, as did Manning.

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    really, (none / 0) (#8)
    by bocajeff on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:57:57 PM EST
    no one has ever been uncooperative on a plane before? Really? Huh.

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    I meant with the FBI... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:45:18 PM EST
    and assorted agencies...uncooperative on a plane with the flight crew, sure all the time, but that often leads to charges.

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    I don't think this is what "freedom (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by observed on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:13:07 PM EST
    isn't free" is supposed to mean.

    I'm glad I opted out ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:50:03 PM EST
    of all the 9/11 nonsense yesterday.

    I watched some great cowboy movies made decades before I was born.  And played Scrabble with a friend.

    And the only time 9/11 came up was when I accidentally scored 11 for a word only worth 9.

    A very relaxing, pleasant and tension free day.  

    And anyone who bought into the tension-filled nonsense that the MSM, TSA, DHS, administration et al were spouting really needs to re-examine FDR's comment about "fear itself".  Because you still don't get it.

    "FDR's comment" (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:44:08 PM EST
    And while you're at it, throw in Ben Franklin's comment on those deserving of liberty.

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    Yup, another good one! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 05:47:13 PM EST


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    Maybe (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:57:56 PM EST
    But ignoring potential threats and biting your head in the sand is also naive.  There's nothing wrong with all of us just paying a bit closer attention to what's going on around us.  Most people could just start with that when they drive or cross a street or ride a bike (bikers in the city drive me nuts).

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    The problem is with the security state (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:04:32 PM EST
    that rules over our lives. They devise policies that do nothing but sow fear and hostility in the citizenry. Is it really worth it for the TSA to hold up the entire security line at the airport just because you packed your shampoo in a 4-oz. rather than a 3-oz. plastic bottle???

    The fascism is here.  

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    Where did the 3 oz rule come from? (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 04:25:28 PM EST
    I would like to think that someone researched the various chemicals and figured out that mixing 3 of two of them wouldn't make a bomb that would bring a plane down but larger amounts would.

    Of course I have no way of knowing that.

    But since I know that's the rule I follow the rule rather than beating my head against a wall and making some behind me late... and maybe missing their flight.

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    Nope, it's the people ... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 05:49:20 PM EST
    who buy into the 24/7 fear-mongering that are burying their heads in sand.  They're the ones who aren't seeing what's really going on around them.

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    Burying your head (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 02:58:58 PM EST
    Darn autocorrect

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    I realize we have the unhappy confluence (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:14:48 PM EST
    of a ten-year anniversary of our worst security failure merging with a security state that has gone out of control, but the spate of detentions, alerts, shut-downs, dogs, semi-automatic weapons, questionings, has made me extremely suspicious that, in spite of Obama's declaration that we aren't going to live in fear, fear is again being used to herd us all into compliance where we will be reluctant to push back against many of the things the government is imposing on us - and we can be counted on to object to anyone even considering cutting any security-related funding.

    I am as sorry as anyone that so many people died, were terribly injured, and that we were all affected in some way, but we did not celebrate freedom this anniversary - far from it.  Yes, there were some uplifting stories and profiles about where the survivors are now, how the families have coped, but honestly, this "remembrance" became a reminder that if we stop paying homage to the security state for keeping us "safe," well, maybe we would get the crazy idea that we actually aren't better off for having had our rights taken away from us.

    Really, there's nothing like uniformed patrols by semi-automatic weapons-carrying authority figures in dark glasses to dispel fear, is there?  Nothing like knowing you can get pulled off a plane and detained because someone thought it suspicious that you were going to the bathroom too often, to make you relax and enjoy your freedoms, eh?  Do you have a van?  Better watch what kinds of bumper stickers you put on it.  Might want to stock up on "USA" magnets and ribbons so it's clear you are a patriot.

    We could have been celebrating freedom these past 10 years by honoring the principles of democracy, by not shredding the Constitution, but golly - I guess that's not as much fun as spending gazillions of dollars feeding the security state monolith, is it?

    Ugh. Just...ugh.

    I'm With You, but... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 04:09:33 PM EST
    ... as a football fan it could not be avoided.  I mentioned this in the earlier post about how all the speeches were BS.  The only thing even remotely true is the not forgetting part.

    It's just mind numbing how people can stand up and proclaim we are more united, that fear isn't ruling our lives, or that 9/11 didn't change our way of life.  Why, no can actually believe this.

    If these speakers would just lay the truth out maybe America would wake up and realize we are doing exactly what the terrorists want, living in fear, a divided nation, and bankrupting our economy on wars on the other side of the planet.  All for what, to avenge ~2800 lives.  I'm not being disrespectful,but that many people die each and every month in car wrecks and we haven't gone insane with fear and cars.  It's a known risk we take.  Sucks, but it's life, risky.  

    I'm tired of nillis ruling the country and cashing in, politically and financially, on made-up fear.

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    So I take it you oppose safety standards for (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 04:31:46 PM EST
    cars and would have let Ford skate for the Pinto and GM for the Chevy Corvair.

    Not picking on you, just noting that what's reasonable for you might be unreasonable for the widow of a male passenger killed in in a terrorist passenger plane hijacking.

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    Those things aren't remotely related (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by sj on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 04:43:10 PM EST
    Safety standards on a piece of machinery is not at all the same as the presumption that all citizens and residents are presumed to be a risk unless proven otherwise.

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    Wait a minute!! (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:03:33 PM EST
    Did our resident Winger just endorse, gulp, gasp,.....regulations??

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    Your resident Social Liberal (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:35:08 PM EST
    just pointed out that if you don't want reasonable safety/security regulations for air travel then you should also not want safety regulations for automobiles for auto travel.

    And yes, I understand that TSA has demonstrated that it has plenty of employees capable of doing dumb things, and also the airlines.

    And I write this as someone who received a lecture from a pilot because a flight attendant reported me for being asleep/not paying attention for her pre-landing instructions. (Perhaps my repeating them back to her when she shook my shoulder to get my attention was not the wisest thing to do. Ah, the perils of flying First Class.)

    The thing is, I don't know any better way to do it. And yes, I think it must be done.

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    With respect to airport security, (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 11:39:12 PM EST
    an argument like yours is often used by conservatives to justify "targeted" searches, i.e, racial or ethnic profiling.....

    I think the airport security measures are fine...

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    Pint.... Corvair.... WTF ? (none / 0) (#32)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 at 08:49:56 AM EST
    Jim.  Not to be disrespectful, but if you are going to put words in my mouth, use examples that I might use, the Pinto & Corvsair predate me.  Also pay attention to the point, because it had nothing to do with regulations on Pintos and Corvairs.

    My point was far more people die from car wrecks and we haven't gone Berzerk in regards to auto safety.  For example, snatching the licenses of old people would save a lot of lives, yet we realize they have rights, so we don't do it.  But at the airport, presumably still part of the same America, we will make old people remove their diapers in the name of safety.

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    Semi-automatic weapons are a dime a dozen - (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:29:45 PM EST
    from backyard BB guns up to...whatever. I would expect your uniformed patrols are packing automatic weapons...

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    Oh - good to know...I have pretty much (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:42:09 PM EST
    zero knowledge about things that shoot ammunition of any kind.


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    I've not flown in two years (none / 0) (#1)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 12:35:05 PM EST
    and will not. Since I can't afford to travel out of the country anyway, all trips I take are by car, bike, or ferry. If I go see the family for the holidays, I will drive, despite that it is a two-day drive. The airlines, the TSA, Homeland Security, the congress and the president can all kiss my butt. Traveling by plane is not worth the hassle, the insult, the humiliation, or the fact that none of the security state nonsense is keeping us safe from any future attack. The next bomber(s) will undoubtedly try a totally new tactic that the security bozos haven't even thought of yet.

    I urge the passengers detained and humiliated on that Detroit flight take their fight straight to the internet, because they will never get justice from the court system or the corporate-run media.  

    "Freedom's just another word for... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 03:42:34 PM EST
    ... hold it 'til you burst.

    I am a tad tired (none / 0) (#26)
    by the capstan on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 05:01:57 PM EST
    of hearing about the first--onliest--biggest terrorist attack on the US.  A certain day of infamy I well recall was a terrorist attack on America.  We were not at war that day; in fact there was a 'peace' discussion with the Japanese happening in DC.  And recent writing has not pointed out that although the 9/11 attack took place in the continental US, the Hawaiian Islands even so are definitely part of the US.  

    I've been to Pearl Harbor and seen the bubbles of oil still escaping from the graveyard ships resting on the bottom.  9/11 has a sad and grizley aspect, what with those poor folks leaping to a quick death. But those sailors just waking up to planes over Oahu thought they were at peace with the world.  Which makes the attackers terrorists to my simple mind.

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