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I forgot how time-consuming it is to replace a primary desktop computer. It's taken me almost a week to get everything transferred and reinstalled. I still prefer Windows XP to Windows 7, in every way, but I guess I'll adjust.

On to the Next Food Network Star, Big Brother and Breaking Bad.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome. (I see BTD has an open thread up as well, so feel free to post at either one.)

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    linux (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by jharp on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:27:39 PM EST
    You ought to give linux a try. I've been using it for 6 months or so and love it.

    Ubuntu 10.04.

    Deadly mission was a "rescue" (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:19:02 PM EST
    according to Yahoo headline:SEALs.

    Actually sounds like a re-enforcement, not a "rescue." Provide a force to allow both teams to be airlifted out of there.

    Rise of the Planet of the Apes (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:40:09 PM EST
    Good flick! Really reminded me of the mad scientist type movies of my youth. Great fun.

    Also saw Harry Potter today. A worthy finale to the series. I'm going to kiss those kids.

    All caught up on Mad Men too.

    Can you tell it's August in Florida?

    Aaargh. MISS those kids (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:45:52 PM EST
    But I'd kiss them too, given half the chance.

    True story....I was watching an old BBC  'Prime Suspect' episode a few weeks ago, and a very young Ciaran Hines was the bad guy, it occurred to me- how is it that he is not in any of the Harry Potter movies? He has such a great face for that genre. then today he turned up as Dumbledore's brother! I think the casting of the Potter series has just been fantastic all the way through. They should get a special Oscar.

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    Speaking of Prime Suspect (none / 0) (#32)
    by caseyOR on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:59:22 PM EST
    This fall NBC is airing an adaptation of Prime Suspect. Maria Bello plays tough-as-nails homicide detective Jane Timoney. She works in a gritty NYC precinct.

    I like Maria Bello, but I am apprehensive about this NBC remake. In this moment I cannot think of a single TV show that originated in Great Britain, and was then adapted for American TV, that was even close to being as good as the Brit original.

    Prime Suspect is a classic, as is Helen Mirren. Good luck, NBC.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#40)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 06:24:54 AM EST
    Prime Suspect is my other tv-on-DVD viewing project this summer, since i did not see the originals. I have a couple of seasons left. I've been thinking that they would never let her be quite as unlikable at times on American TV. Guess we will find out.  My main reaction is- why bother? The big source of tension is the rarity of a woman in her job. Is the American version going to be set in 1985?

    I never like the American versions either. Can not watch one minute of 'the office'.

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    But now, James Spader (none / 0) (#44)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:39:58 AM EST
    late of "Boston Legal," is to replace Steve Carrell in "The Office" -- and watching Spader is always worth it.

    But for the most part, I agree re Americanization, with happy endings and all, of Brit tv has not been good.  An exception, though, is "Shameless."  We just watched the Brit version's first season, and the Americanization is good replication and does not do the usual sanitization for this side of the pond.  Plus, the American version has better casting, with the likes of Frank Macy and Joan Cusack.  

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    The Previews Look so Lame... (none / 0) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:46:26 AM EST
    ... the one that really went over board, is MB flashing her gun and badge to get a cabby to stop smoking, true grit I guess. IMO "tough-as-nails" characters are a lost era.  The don't work for guys, and really don't work for women, namely because they always try pushing the "tough, yet sexy", or vulnerable, or some other lame stereotypical angle.

    The Office was an adaptation of a Brit show that works well.  Although a reverse adaptation, I really like Law & Order in the UK.  Love to see the differences in law and procedure.

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    We went to Planet of the Apes (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:22:37 PM EST
    today too.  I thought it was very well done when you are packing around all that mind clogging old Planet of the Apes footage and storyline in your head.  As the Icarus is taking off and then reported lost :)  I loved it.

    We saw the Harry Potter a few weeks ago in 3D, trying to get into 3D but it loses its flavor after a couple of movies. The movie, not as dark as the book as far as those who you feel like you know getting killed.

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    I didn't see it in 3D (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 06:18:10 AM EST
    but I noticed a few points where I thought it would be cool. Yes, the movies stayed a little lighter but I'm ok with that overall. I think losing one Weasely twin was as hard as I wanted it to get on a Sunday afternoon.

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    Loved it too... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:37:45 AM EST
    a summer action flick with an actual interesting plot...imagine that!

    Looks like we're all set up for a sequel to mirror the original too, or perhaps a trilogy with the original as installment three.

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    I'm with you on XP over 7 Jeralyn (none / 0) (#2)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:30:58 PM EST
    It was more comfortable and more intuitive.

    I also don't like the latest MS Office changes...I knew where what I needed was in the old one, but not this one.

    I'm going to install the old version of office, see if it will work... otherwise I might look at the ol' WordPerfect stuff again. Although I never got used to that spreadsheet program there...

    Related...I have used Verizon Wireless (none / 0) (#4)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:39:13 PM EST
    for more than a year now. I don't like it, and think I never achieved the promised "3g" speed.

    Tried it on my brand new laptop last night... bleh. Mediocre at best, same performance as on my 6-7 year old laptop. So I dug through my electronic ditty bag.

    I found an old Belkin router. Had not even been plugged in for two years, but about the same age as the old laptop, 5-6 years. After resetting it (who can remember a 16 digit password after 5 years?) and hooking it up, I have WICKED FAST wifi.

    So... what's the point of 3 or 4 G? I honestly don't know, hope a technophile can tell me.

    I have better performance with the older technology and I always have, irrespective of signal strength. Strange, eh?

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    I don't know from wireless. (none / 0) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:40:09 PM EST
    I a DSL through Qwest, soon to be CenturyLink. It's the slowest DSL they have, 1.5 bps.

    It took 7 hours to download Mac OSX Lion. On the upside, my new MacBook is so much faster than my old, 10 year old Mac laptop. With my old MacBook, whenever I would watch any video be it YouTube or a TV clip or whatever, the audio always finished way ahead of the video. On a three minute clip the video would play in silence for the final 90 seconds.  With the new laptop everything is in sync.

    I dream of a wicked fast internet connection, but it is o expensive.

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    I think it depends on your (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:49:47 PM EST
    wireless router and adapter card in your computer. I have the highest comcast speed and a dual band N router which should be lightening fast but on my old desktop and laptop it was so slow. Because I only had an ethernet 10/100 adapter and not a 10/100/1000. Now I have the faster adapter, my internet is finally like lightening. It's even way faster on my laptop (maybe because the home network is faster.)

    I don't pretend to know all the whys, but I do know if you are still using a 10/100 you need to get the 10/100/1000.

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    Aha, understanding dawns . . . (none / 0) (#14)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:56:54 PM EST
    so time to head back to the computer toy store for some more new stuff, I suspect.  Thanks; this sounds similar to the plumber's recent explanation of the problems in my historic neighborhood with water pipes and sewers that are hundreds of years old and cannot cope with the transition from the newfangled stuff under streets in nearby areas.

    (In both cases, whether underground water systems or virtual computer systems, I attempt to understand what I cannot see -- and although you're talking techie talk, this does so for me.)

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    The Internet a series of tubes! (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:03:14 PM EST
    Ted Stevens was right.

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    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:07:19 PM EST
    I'm a wee bit more with it, I hope -- but some of just are the visualizing sort, it seems.

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    And the spouse agrees (none / 0) (#18)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:04:37 PM EST
    and is grateful for an excuse to go back to his toy store aka the computer store.  Of course, I know that he really is hungering for a larger monitor.  The older our eyes, the more hours of the day and night on computers, the larger the monitor must be -- so he won't admit that it's his eyesight.  I expect to hear an explanation of some great sale price on larger monitors, "discovered" while there for a new router . . . but I already found the evidence that he has been eyeing them.:-)

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    Make sure to examine the giant televisions. (none / 0) (#22)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:12:26 PM EST
    One of them, either HD or Plasma, has a computer hookup on it. Imagine a 50-inch screen with Space Invaders!

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    Oh, count on it that the spouse (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:24:19 PM EST
    gladly would turn the living room into a sports bar.

    Thank heavens that I did not get caught up too much in financial prenups, since our finances are in ruins in this economy, anyway.

    However, I did require a prenuptial decorating agreement.  He agreed to corral his lifetime collection of silly stuff in only a few spaces, while I retained veto power over the tasteful public areas.    

    So the sequined Elvis switchpate -- only the first thing seen inside the door of his silly space -- and assorted other decor of my nightmares, such as a sufficiently large tv for viewing his sports events for hours and playing his video games from a ghastly recliner, etc., stay behind closed doors.  

    Don't even ask about the Day of the Dead sculptures, the flasher cow opening its raincoat to expose its udder -- shudder! -- in front of a mirror and more tasteless decor, so much more from all of the crazy art fairs from h*ll.  

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    You hide a sequined Elvis (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 11:20:09 PM EST
    switchplate?

    Spousal abuse. I thought I knew you.

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    sadly, my spousal unit (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:33:14 AM EST
    has vetoed my acquisition of 2 child mannequins in Catholic schoolgirl uniforms

    a friend once told me about spotting a real treasure in the window of an "antiques" store, a find that had come from a medical supply house: a small (~6) tribe of cartoonish rubber bumblebee manniquins, each in some state of mild disability (crutches, slings, etc.) - he immediately thought of me but did not act on the impulse, & when he returned to buy them for me, another connoisseur had beat him to it, alas

    i still regret the loss of those rubber bees

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    I have to say (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by sj on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:34:22 AM EST
    that sequined Elvis switchplate sounds slightly awesome.  Tasteful? mmmm... maybe not....  But (speaking designer speak) a touch of "whimsy" never hurt anyone.  And really.  A sequined Elvis switchplate.

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    I can see from comments above (none / 0) (#42)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:33:44 AM EST
    that I ought to bend a bit about decor, as a sports-bar motif sounds downright tasteful compared to the possibilities envisioned by commenters here.  Yikes, the craft-fair crazies who come up with sequined Elvis switchplates and raincoated flasher cows got nothin' on you!  

    Thanks for the chuckles.  I mean, you were kidding about your interior decorating ambitions, right?  C'mon.  Really?

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    Hmmmm. (none / 0) (#15)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:01:05 PM EST
    The router was top of the line 6 years ago. I wonder how fast a new one would be? I'm willing to bet this new laptop has the faster adapter, although I don't even know where to find out.

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    The techies tell me (none / 0) (#19)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:05:44 PM EST
    to estimate that everything turns over every two years, over and over.  Drives me crazy.

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    Jeff (none / 0) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:11:22 AM EST
    For passwords.
    I now use a label maker and put the passwords, for the network and the box itself, plus the IP address to get in the box on the bottom.  Has save me countless hours.

    I also have a newer dual band router, N&G, I had to get his after I got a wireless TV, it is blazing fast because it uses two channels and if one is lagging it switches.  Plus N travels further and uses a dofferent frequenct, 5.0 Mhz I believe.

    Windows 7, I agree with J that it's sucks at first, but I have had it maybe 3 months and for what I do, it's performance kills XP.  After a HD crash a couple years ago, I decided that I would do what we do at work, set-up my computer as a workstation and map the C: Dive to an external drive (at work, server).  

    With Windows 7 it's a breeze, Music, Docs, and Video appear on the computer as if they are on the HD when in fact they are an external drive, which is backed up nightly thanks to Windows 7 easily back-up utility.  No data beyond setting are stored on my computer.  Although these functions were available in XP, implementing them was something of a chore.

    Ditto for in house networking, a breeze with Windows 7, a chore with XP.  With a easily understood graphic map.

    One other really cool thing I have done it using a second monitor.  I am a graphics person, I make all kinds of custom graphics for my tablet.  Someone gave me a 22" monitor, and my new computer has 2 screen outs, so I hooked up an old 17" monitor that I set beside it.  One that monitor I put my tool bars for Windows and any tools bars for programs, email, and performance gadgets.  The big screen has nothing but my current screen.  Same as XP, just never has a dual screen card at home.  At work I have the same set-up with a laptop, but I use it differently.  At home it's awesome.

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    I'm implementing that label maker (none / 0) (#57)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:26:07 PM EST
    idea for routers, IP addy, etc...thank you! I wish I had thought of it way back when!

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    If you have to use Windows, 7 is the place to be (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:38:47 PM EST
    XP is ancient and a security nightmare.

    So security is much better? (none / 0) (#5)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:40:06 PM EST
    I don't know these things...

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    Yes, vee know ver you are (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:43:43 PM EST
    and vot you is planning. snicker, snicker

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    Dad? I mean Fearless Leader? Is that you? (none / 0) (#8)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:47:52 PM EST
    I can't find either Boris or Natasha. Moose ans squirrel, however, still in sight.

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    That's moose and skveeril (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:33:44 PM EST
    Theoretically, much (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 07:44:17 PM EST
    Yeah, so much so (none / 0) (#21)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:12:11 PM EST
    the user spends half his/her time breaking through the security hoops.

    Such as:

    "The requested operation requires elevation"

    WTF?

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    That would be a great write in vote :) (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:30:06 PM EST
    Thats a good line... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:46:06 PM EST
    I'm stealing that Spicolli...I mean Microsoft.

    Dudes, the requested operation requires elevation.

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    LOL.. (none / 0) (#28)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 10:18:46 PM EST
    My corporate overlords are refreshing (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:03:54 PM EST
    our work compeers slowly but surely. I'm still om XP but will be on 7 soon. I've never learned XP well enough to lose much knowledge in the transition, and am hoping MS borrowed enough from Apple look and feel to make me feel more at home.

    And it will be a relief to not have the near daily security patches.

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    I. Hate. Those. #$%!. "Upgrades" (none / 0) (#13)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 08:51:23 PM EST
    that constantly screw up so much in my computer.  My spouse has a Mac and glories in not having to put up with the reason that he hears me cussing many a morn at discovering what Big Brother Bill has done to my machine, stealing in during the night whilst I slumbered unawares. . . .

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    I use a Mac at home and PC (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:01:52 PM EST
    at work. I'd sure be a lot happier at my job if I could use my Mac, but they only want their own (obsolete, insecure) computers on their network. Oh, the irony. I'd be more productive, and they'd be more secure - and richer-  if I were using my own equipment.  Makes too much sense I suppose.

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    Well For You, but... (none / 0) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:22:01 AM EST
    ... in general, beyond Office, most work place programs simply aren't available for Mac.  It's why they will never break that barrier.  From GL systems to, in my case, tax programs, to even basic HR programs, all of it not available on anything but a PC.

    Maybe in the future when and more and more programs go to the internet we will see a change, but for now, we are married to PC's.  Ditto at home.  Mac insistence on closing their code really limits their usefulness.

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    I'm hoping the move toward (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:52:13 AM EST
    'cloud computing' will narrow that gap. A lot of the tools we use have gone that way - they are web based now, and can work on a Mac just as easily. But you're right, we still have many that are very hard wired to the OS.

    Not at home though....anything I do at home I can do on a Mac. Or I don't need to do it!

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    Windows 7 is (none / 0) (#37)
    by sj on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:45:57 AM EST
    a developer's nightmare.  It often has the effect of "securing" you right out of productivity.  My old XP laptop (5 years old) can run Visual Studio enterprise edition, Microsoft Office, SQL Server Enterprise edition AND have several tabs open in Firefox almost as quickly as my new work laptop runs in Windows 7.  And my work computer doesn't actually host SQL Server.

    And I'm with jeffinalabama on the changes to MS Office.  Although I've discovered that the old accelerator keystrokes have changed little if at all.  Since I prefer to use accelerators rather than constantly switching to the mouse at random inconvenient moments (cut/paste and find/replace especially), that's quite a relief.

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    Microsoft Office is suffering (none / 0) (#41)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 06:37:32 AM EST
    from having no real competition for its core use cases. It's a problem.

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    I Have had Office for About a Year... (none / 0) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:30:22 AM EST
    ... at work, and well it's better for every day, all day, use, but not by much.  I customize the tool bars, and that is still a work in progress.  At least once a week there is a function I need that I can not find.

    At first it was a nightmare, nothing was where it should be IMO.

    Given the choice, I would take the new version.  But that would be a tough call.  It's one of those, 'you have to' deals, because each version will mimic the prior, and holding out will only delay the inevitable.

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    Yup, I'm not one for trying to hold on (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:55:08 AM EST
    to the old versions. I'd rather jump in and learn the new one. We've had 2007 at work for about 2 years now - I've gotten used to the ribbon and can find most things I need there. I still get stumped every now and then though.

    And I'm glad they left the keyboard shortcuts alone for the most part.

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    call me a John Carpenter (none / 0) (#24)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 09:30:08 PM EST
    cultist, but I think I'll watch "Escape from New York" again, until I fall asleep.


    I can't say it any better than (none / 0) (#34)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 07, 2011 at 11:55:48 PM EST
    Margaret Wise Brown:

    "In the great green room
    there was a telephone
    And a red balloon
    And a picture of the cow jumping over the moon.
    And there were three little bears sitting on chairs
    And two little kittens and a pair of mittens
    And a little toy house and a young mouse.
    And a comb and a brush
    And a bowl full of mush
    And a quiet old lady who was whispering, "Hush."
    Good night, room. Good night, moon.
    Good night, cow jumping over the moon.
    Good night, light and the red balloon.
    Good night, bears. Good night, chairs.
    Good night, kittens. Good night, mittens.
    Good night, clocks. Good night, socks.
    Good night, little house. Good night, mouse.
    Good night, comb. Good night, brush.
    Good night, nobody. Good night, mush.
    Good night to the old lady whispering, "Hush."
    Good night, stars. Good night, air.
    Good night, noises everywhere."


    My preference has been (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:54:52 AM EST
    Judith Viorst, because I've always taken comfort in knowing...

    Some days are like that, even in Australia.

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    Fun and games in Missouri (none / 0) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:10:26 AM EST
    the "Show Me State."

    And finally: Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinders (R) got caught with pants down (almost literally) last week when the Riverfront Times posted a picture of the gubernatorial candidate posing with a former porn star at a bar that boasts nightly "pantless parties." "Kinder's spokesman inducts himself into the Hall of Fame for fumbled responses, saying he `doubts' his boss is `going to a bar where they don't wear pants on a night when they don't wear pants,'" Politico notes. Still, the spokesperson didn't deny it and a picture is worth a thousand words. link



    Obama needs to get a Clue !! (none / 0) (#49)
    by samsguy18 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:24:56 AM EST
    He's laying low today to save his energy in anticipation of the two fundraisers he will be attending tonight. What is wrong with this man??
    The events of the past weekend especially the seal's disaster... one would assume he would at least fake his concern. This behavior is inappropriate.  

    Quite a story (none / 0) (#50)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:30:21 AM EST
    via DBeast, that Jackie Kennedy in taped interviews in the months after Dallas believed LBJ and various TX tycoons were behind the assassination.  Explosive if true -- ABC network here will have the broadcast of the tapes next month.

    But accd'g to this (none / 0) (#55)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 10:30:50 AM EST
    news tabloid story, ABC is strongly denying reports of the tapes' contents, calling them "nonsense".

    ABC doc on the tapes scheduled for mid-September.

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    Webinar at FDL yesterday (none / 0) (#52)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:40:17 AM EST
    with Dan Ellsberg, Michael Moore and others.

    MM recommends Matt Damon, an early and enthusiastic O backer in the 2008 campaign, as challenger to Obama.  Says liberals may need to form new 3d party as has been done in Canada apparently -- the New Democratic Party -- as the current one seems to be ineffective at protecting real Dem interests.  

    Ellsberg is against a 3d party now against O as it would ensure the election of a Repub and concerns about the Sup Ct going hard right as we've discussed here.

    That's proof that Michael Moore has (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 11:16:22 AM EST
    lost touch with reality.

    Matt Damon? For President??

    The world just gets sillier and sillier.

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    I hear what you're saying (none / 0) (#60)
    by NYShooter on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 07:16:23 PM EST
    and the Presidency may be a bit of a stretch, but Matt Damon is a very bright, articulate, and coherent voice for all the things we hold dear. I was surprised myself the first time I saw him interviewed on a topic other than show business.

    I think the point is that we have to look outside the political arena for "heroes" as that club is about as putrid and corrupt as any in history.

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    positive thoughts for PPJ (none / 0) (#58)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:31:51 PM EST
    today... he's playing in a pretty big tourney, or at least thinking about it-- 1st place gets about 200k.

    Go Jim, Go!

    Slay them donks Jim... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:57:10 PM EST
    I've always envied PPJ's stakes...old bugger must be a pretty damn good player.  

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