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Posted on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:30:08 PM EST
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Bob Bradley Fired.

Geithner soon, I hope.

Boehner does not have the votes yet. If he is having problems now, how is he going to survive a compromise bill? Tea Party won't take yes for an answer. If nothing passes today, I think the markets take a big hit tomorrow.

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Santa Claus will get fired before Geithner... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:43:25 PM EST

...ever gets a word of rebuke, much less his boots- are-made-for-walking papers. Rudolph and Donner and Blitzen and the rest will be outta work long before ol' Timmy Boy. Might be this x-mas season, too, the way this economy is sucking the life outta 95+ percent of us. Then again, Superman keeps that Fortress of Solitude up there at the North Pole, so maybe St. Nick and the Man of Steel can pair up to really open a can of whoop-ace on DC.

It's all comics at this point, ain't it?

Musically, for some reason, John Prine's DEAR ABBY is in my head today. (LINK)

heh! Good subject line there, Dadler (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:45:00 PM EST

That's the first time I've burst out laughing in a couple of days. ;-P

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Iris Dement (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:49:00 PM EST

is on topic these days (again) as well....

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Friggin' lovely (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:03:40 PM EST

Thanks for that.

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It is beautiful, isn't it? (5.00 / 0) (#13)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:09:28 PM EST

and she is an awesome talent, too..

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Beautiful, Edger, absolutely beautiful (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:18:03 PM EST

It made me cry, but in a good way because it spoke to me. Thank you.

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You too, huh? (none / 0) (#24)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:52:30 PM EST

I know the feeling...

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Oh, yes (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:26:58 PM EST

Not just on a personal level (I buried my mom and dad, too), but on a larger level. The sun is setting, not just on the small towns, but on the whole country, if we don't get this mess straightened out and start to work together. But the song is a catharsis, as well as a dirge and a warning, for what has been lost and may never be regained if we are not very, very careful. Plus, it was great to see Emmylou Harris singing with Iris- I love Emmylou.

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Yes... (none / 0) (#37)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:55:23 PM EST

More about all that here today...

Intermission: You never See It Comin'

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Very good post (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:22:38 PM EST

on DailyKos, Edger. I gave it a tip and a recommend (I'm "Zorba the Greek" over there.)

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: I saw that... (5.00 / 0) (#42)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:23:42 PM EST

Thanks! :-)

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Now I have Mary Margaret O'Hara on the mind (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:31:40 PM EST

The quirky voice thing. MMO is kind of an enigma, if you never heard of her, made one album twenty-some years ago, hailed as one of the albums of the century, then she kind of went off to live a quiet life and never made another album. This is old footage, as you can tell, but her voice and style just melt me. (LINK)

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And a newer one (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:36:31 PM EST

She looks like the sweetest suburban mom in this footage from 2008. I need some smilin' songs right now. (LINK)

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Wow! (none / 0) (#58)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:02:19 PM EST

Ether-real! Thanks, Dadler

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: And her sister is... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:49:21 PM EST

...comic actress Catherine O'Hara.

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whhhhhat (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by CST on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:53:26 PM EST

and the pats just got Ochocinco.

The NFL is way more interesting to follow right now than the debt ceiling, stuff is actually happening. Plus it doesn't make me want to punch my computer screen.

Definitely off topic, (none / 0) (#34)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:32:42 PM EST

But the Pats got Haynesworth, too, from the Redskins (no surprise there that the Redskins wanted to dump him). Maybe Belichick can do a better job with Albert, because Shanahan sure as heck couldn't.

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: Oy, the Cowboys used to be like that (none / 0) (#59)
by MKS on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:02:56 PM EST

....and were getting all the good free agents......

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Chad Cero Cero... (none / 0) (#65)
by kdog on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 09:37:39 AM EST

when stranded on Revis Island:)

I gotta think Tom Beiber & Bellicheat are sweating where Asomugha lands...what a coup that would be! Get 'er done Tannenbaum...sh*t you better before all the other corners are off the market.

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When I first saw this about Bradley (5.00 / 1) (#32)
by brodie on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:25:29 PM EST

I thought, Good -- I never did like the guy much. Then I thought, Hey when did the Obama admin hire Bill Bradley, and for what position?

Oh -- Bob ...

Frankly, it's a yawner of a story whether they'd kept him or not. The US Women's Soccer Team is now officially far more interesting to watch and follow.

Other than that, the start of American football is just a few weeks away, college and pro. Will try to forget about all that nasty news about concussions and root again for my '49ers to come out of a 15-year slump and return again to the SB.

: Wait for it (none / 0) (#46)
by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:02:31 PM EST

Bill Bradley is right up Obama's alley, seems to me.

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And the good news (5.00 / 1) (#53)
by NYShooter on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:09:02 PM EST

Keeps pouring in:

Latest poll show Gov. Perry of Texas leading Pres, Obama in North Carolina by three points, even though Perry hasn't declared his candidacy.

And, while Obama leads Gov. Mitt Romney, the Republican frontrunner, by four points in Virginia, that's a drop of seven points since the last poll.

Something here just doesn't make sense though. Throughout his career Obama didn't care how many of his "friends" he through under the bus, but his goal, at least, was to win the next election. So now that he's thrown virtually the entire Democratic Party under the bus, what's his goal now?

To send a memo to Indies telling them (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by MO Blue on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:37 PM EST

that they support him. So far they haven't gotten the message. Obama's plans to woe Independent voters is really, really working. They just don't seem to know it yet.

This shift is driven by a steep drop-off in support for Obama among independents. The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted July 20-24 among 1,501 adults and 1,205 registered voters finds that just 31% of independent voters want to see Obama reelected, down from 42% in May and 40% in March. Where Obama held a slim 7-point edge among independent registered voters two months ago, a generic Republican holds an 8-point edge today.
This is consistent with a drop in Obama's approval among all independents. Currently, a majority (54%) disapprove of Obama's performance for the first time in his presidency. His approval among independents has slipped to 36% from 42% last month and 49% in late May. Pew

Good thing independent voters don't need jobs and that I'm the only independent voter who values and receives Social Security and Medicare. I heard rumors from other polls that independent voters actually support Medicaid. Fancy that.

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Well, all I can say is (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by nycstray on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:37:17 PM EST

if indies decide to throw Obama under the bus, I hope they find a different one than ours :) I'm thinking we need to start our cocktail parties up under there again soon . . . . and make room for more folks because I'm sure Obama isn't done yet . . .

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: As an Indie, I have been (none / 0) (#57)
by MO Blue on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53:16 PM EST

under this bus for a long, long time. Don't have room for Obama - gotta, as you said, save more room for ordinary folks.

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What's his goal, now that he's thrown (none / 0) (#56)
by Anne on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:46:45 PM EST

the entire Democratic Party under the bus?

Well, gee - I guess he probably aspires to be the bus.

Probably more likely than the goal he should have: to just dispense with the charade and change his party affiliation.

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: Well, we always knew (none / 0) (#60)
by NYShooter on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 11:31:24 PM EST

he wanted to be a "Transformational" President....
How much more tranformational can you be than being the candidate of Both Political Parties?
Sure would save a lot of money....and verbage.
BTW, would he get to keep that Billion bucks?

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Glad to see Bradley gone. (none / 0) (#1)
by Tony on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:40:34 PM EST

Still think he was more a symptom of the problem than the cause of it. Overhauling USSoccer is imperative, though probably impossible.

geithner (none / 0) (#3)
by Edger on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:43:35 PM EST

would never have been allowed onto the field under Bradley.

Boehner has postphoned the vote (none / 0) (#4)
by Yman on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:44:01 PM EST

But they insist it will be sometime tonight.

Notice that they (5.00 / 3) (#6)
by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:48:26 PM EST

waited until the U.S. markets closed before admitting they have nothing :) Tomorrow will be interesting. I notice a CNN push to shame tea partiers, I guess as Cenk has written our media really is the insiders and the establishment these days.

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Quite a story, isn't it? (5.00 / 2) (#45)
by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:01:52 PM EST

And his lawyer said something to the effect of "Walsh isn't having any more trouble about child support payments than most other men."

Yeah, being $175K in arrears for child support is par for the course.

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: I hate that about our culture (5.00 / 3) (#50)
by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 09:13:57 PM EST

We love us some deadbeat dads. We make all sorts of excuses for them too, and being one of them has social acceptability.

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Hadn't thought about the timing ... (none / 0) (#9)
by Yman on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 04:58:53 PM EST

... of the markets. I just figured they were scrambling for votes till the last minute. Will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

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: Oh, sure, Yman (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:21:44 PM EST

You can go back and notice how very many announcements are made on a Friday after the markets close. They hope that by Monday, the lemmings will have forgotten about it. I don't think so, but that's the hope.

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Shame? (none / 0) (#63)
by klassicheart on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 01:52:02 AM EST

This is about interests. Shame has no part in this. It's a game about power and interests. I certainly hope the oil interests in the state of Texas don't have a secret plan to elect Perry...like they did Bush. That would be frightening. It's also clear that there is no Democrat who has emerged with leadership potential. The Dems look hapless...but maybe that is the plan. One 4 year stint for a loser like Obama after the rip off of Bush and the oil interests come back into power with Perry. But the left and elite fell for Obama hook line and sinker. Suckers. The working class Dems knew he was a sham.

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Gohmert (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:00:17 PM EST

I just heard a report from a rightie that Louis Gohmert, the bat** insane birther from Texas, was seen going in to see Boehner and muttering about being "called to the principal's office."

The conclusion of the rightie (Stephen Hayes from Weekly Standard, I think) is that if Boehner is having to resort to trying to convince Gohmert to vote for his plan, it's in very, very big trouble.

I honestly don't know whether to cheer or wring my hands some more about this.

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: Me either (5.00 / 2) (#51)
by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 09:14:38 PM EST

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Does anyone (none / 0) (#14)
by CST on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:15:07 PM EST

honestly see a way out that avoids default?

I don't.

Obama will end up with the (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:21:28 PM EST

14th amendment solution. I wish that JPMorgan's Jamie Dimon, Goldman Sachs' Lloyd Blankfein and Bank of America's Brian Moynihan would stop writing letters about the mayhem that would ensue without a debt ceiling raise. That's like a walking advertisement to regular Americans to NOT do it. They are literally some of the most hated men in America and hardly an advertisement for economic stability or credibility.

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: 14th amendment first,,,, (none / 0) (#52)
by desertswine on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 09:33:50 PM EST

and impeachment to follow.

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: Jamie Dimon (none / 0) (#64)
by klassicheart on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 02:01:38 AM EST

would run this country effectively. He certainly runs JP Morgan well. He is a very competent CEO.... Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the CEO of this country. The obligations of a CEO are to their shareholders. Same cannot be said for Obama....he doesn't seem to feel any obligation to his voters. He seems bought off in fact....like those CEOs who get paid well to do a terrible job and keep losing money but remain at the helm....

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Boehner Could Go To Obama and Demand He Order (none / 0) (#15)
by Dan the Man on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:17:31 PM EST

House Democrats to vote for his bill. And if his bill doesn't pass the House, Boehner would not allow any compromise bill to be voted upon in the House. Obama can then say for the sake of bipartisanship he would order Democrats to vote for Boehner's bill because defaulting on the federal debt would have horrible consequences.

A minor miracle may have happened (none / 0) (#35)
by MO Blue on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:38:10 PM EST

It has been reported that Rep. Shuler will not vote with the Republicans for Boehner's bill.

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: My understanding is that (none / 0) (#47)
by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:03:34 PM EST

he hasn't got a single solitary Dem vote for his bill. Nancy and Steny musta really cracked the whip on this one.

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Even though he spurned the Pads, (none / 0) (#17)
by oculus on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:19:37 PM EST

Irabu's death is a tragedy. LAT

I don't know nuthin' about Bradley (none / 0) (#20)
by oculus on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:25:37 PM EST

either, but I do know the Pads are winning this afternoon and Heath Bell is pitching.

OMG, Sean Burroughs, the Padres' (none / 0) (#21)
by oculus on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 05:30:48 PM EST

hope for the future not that many years ago, is playing for AZ today.

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Funny. Of course, like many others, (none / 0) (#27)
by oculus on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:00:49 PM EST

the prospect of a game at Dodger Stadium no longer thrills me.

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: Def much better weather down here (none / 0) (#40)
by nycstray on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:16:04 PM EST

it's about 75 with a light bay breeze at my place. I suspect Oakland is about the same :)

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Does Boehner pulls this off? (none / 0) (#28)
by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:01:40 PM EST

I think he does it.

But from the pics I have seen on twitter, Boehner's office is in the highest state of panic possible.

The press are camped out in front of his office and they are grilling every GOP coming in and going out.

Pic

What this says is that Boehner is going to need Dems to raise the ceiling after this gets shot down. We sort of knew that but this solidified it.

Boehner' s eyes tearing up again. (none / 0) (#29)
by oculus on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:03:27 PM EST

Significance?

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Scotch? (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by christinep on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:24:59 PM EST

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: Good Scotch or bad Scotch? (none / 0) (#66)
by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 10:29:08 AM EST

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The tango now (none / 0) (#30)
by christinep on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:23:41 PM EST

is settling on the trades of a handful of freshmen Repubs...who gets to vote "no" and who gets to vote "aye." And, what will be the first revelation of what the key freshmen who support the Speaker will get for that support. (IMO, its a "why not him...I'll be primaried if I support you" countered by "you won the volunteer spot...and here is the offer you can't refuse.)

Meanwhile, sly fox Harry Reid waits to squash the whole thing when it gets to the Senate (and, he must be confident because he is already brandishing the numbers.) So, whatever Boehner pulls off, he is undercut by the publicized struggle & the the almost simultaneous Senate squash.

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Twilight Zone (none / 0) (#36)
by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 06:44:43 PM EST

If you ever wondered what it would look like to see an exact conservative replica of what the world of Pelosi looked like the night healthcare passed, I imagine that this is it.

Tomorrow the Tea Partiers will start calling Boehner a liberal and the circle of bizzaro world will be complete.

Solution to housing and jobs problem (none / 0) (#38)
by BTAL on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:01:40 PM EST

Link

Wonder how far this will go.

: The whole reason (none / 0) (#43)
by SOS on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 07:40:19 PM EST

for this mess was housing prices shot up to high to fast - even with all the crooked loans it could have been less severe if people were not in houses priced double to triple what they were really worth during the liar loan days.

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It's the fantasy baseball dog days... (none / 0) (#48)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 08:07:34 PM EST

...and my limping team are nothing but a bunch of fire hydrants right now. The other teams have a leg up, ahem, and they're taking advantage. My corner infielders are getting me nothin', no one wants to trade with me, I gotta ride it out until September call-ups give me more options in this NL-only league. Talk about vital issues, sheesh.

i'll personally do a (none / 0) (#62)
by cpinva on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 12:02:27 AM EST

"happy dance", the moment i am informed mr. geithner's services are no longer needed by the president.

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