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    Let's talk about something else... (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:45:25 PM EST
    I made a huge pot of soup tonight. Only ingredients? Lima beans, corn, tomatoes, water, ans some  salt pork.

    Among my mother, me, and my 8 year old, we finished half of it, about 3 to 3.5 quarts.

    Put my son to bed at 9, but at 10:30 he said, "I want more soup, and ate a large bowlfull.

    Glad it's cheap, delicious, and something I cna eat a lot. I've mentioned it before... I don't even put salt or pepper in, let folks fix it as they please at the table. Usually with biscuits, but no carbs, sigh.

    In cooler conditions that would sound great (none / 0) (#11)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:20:01 AM EST
    but, right now, the thought of soup... yikes! Ice cream or salad is about all I want now. I feel like I will spontaneously combust at any moment.

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    Cold cucumer soup is a favorite (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 05:08:12 AM EST
    with me during the summer. Fixed with no fat yogurt it cam be made lower in calories. If several servings are made when preparing, it is a good quick meal addition in hot weather.

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    Please share the recipe! (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38:12 PM EST
    I love cucumbers. One way I like them is peeled, sliced, soaked in vinegar and salt (I like raw tomatoes and onions that way, also). They become sort of limp, but my grandmother made 'em that way so my toothless grandfather could gum them.

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    I personally love this soup (none / 0) (#49)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:25:20 PM EST
    and since I'm on a weight loss program that counts calories rather than carbs it works great for me. One serving (approx. 1 cup) has 14 grams of carbs or almost 1 carb serving. You might have to wait until after your operation if you are on a strict no carb diet. The recipe calls for 1/2 teaspoon(s) cayenne pepper which I personally think is too much of a good thing and I like spicy food. Depending on your tolerance, I would either leave it out altogether or start out with just a dash to begin with and work your way up to the 1/2 teaspoon if you want. Anyway here is the link for the recipe. There is also a link there to eatingwell.com which has lots and lots of different recipes for most types of diets.

    Another quick cucumber recipe that I like is just adding sliced cucumbers to either all natural or low fat yogurt (some low fat products have too many additives for my taste) and season with dried mint and a little salt and pepper to taste. Middle easterners sometimes add dried rose petals also which looks pretty the way they do it but not necessary IMO for the dish. Once again, this would be good for a low carb diet but not sure it would work on a no carb one.    

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    Was wondering how your mother and son (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:59:59 AM EST
    are dealing with your tribulations.  Sounds like they are supportive and rolling with it all.  Pretty neat your son enjoys your cooking.  

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    It's interesting. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:40:49 PM EST
    Haven't shared a lot of the news with my son... he said, "Dad, you're FIRED?!?" when he got here, but the 8 year old mind has an easy solution. "Okay, Dad, just get a job."

    I think family issues might be a complete diary... I've been dressed down and chewed out for having cancer once by my mom--- part of the stages of dealing with things, I suppose. I just wish it hadn't been the morning after I tried to finish all of the beer in the house.

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    Family members and friends (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:36:20 PM EST
    particularly the ones who love you the most, often have a hard time dealing with the news. Unfortunately, they too need time to find a way to cope with their fears. In my experience, no one person could give me all of what I needed in support to get though the treatment etc. I wound up realizing that each person was giving what they had to give and I went to different friends or family members depending on what I needed at that particular point in time. Some times I needed someone to help me find positive things to think about, sometimes someone to give me a gentle kick in the rear so that I didn't spend too much time or energy feeling sorry for myself and sometimes I needed someone to accept that on that particular day I could not do the "positive - always strong person thing and that certain things really do suck.  

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    A good friend says when she was small (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:40:01 PM EST
    her mother told her you get sick because God is punishing you for being bad.  No wonder my friend is now an atheist.  

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    That's awful! (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:44:03 PM EST
    What an ignorant belief, and what a terrible thing to say to a child!

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    If I were God (none / 0) (#51)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 05:45:58 PM EST
    I'd be really ticked at the things that are done and said in my name!

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    anyone taking bets (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by cpinva on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:16:11 AM EST
    on the date that fl rep. allen west's head explodes? what i want to know is how, exactly, did someone with his obvious psychological issues, get to be a commissioned officer in the US Army? this clown was a walking war crime, looking for a place to happen.

    I note that you do not wonder how someone (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 06:19:19 AM EST
    with his obvious psychological issues could get elected to Congress!  Obviously no barrier there, at least in FL.

    Did you see the colbert piece  on the Wasserman-shultz episode? One of his more overtly scathing commentaries. Very good.

    Not so amazingly, this [Colbert piece fool] either does not get it, or pretends not to, and thinks Colbert was really supporting West.

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    i didn't have to wonder how (none / 0) (#22)
    by cpinva on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 09:27:29 AM EST
    he got elected, hence my not raising the issue. one of the glaringly obvious drawbacks of our form of representational democracy is that, on occasion, someone like rep. west will be elected to public office. hopefully, the system self-corrects, and he'll be booted out, should he choose to run for re-election.

    i know, i know, that didn't work out for our last oval office occupant, what can i say?

    the army is not a representational democracy, you can't be elected an officer (at least, not any more), you have to go through a (purportedly) rigorous selection/screening process, designed to make sure (as much as humanly possible) that someone with rep. west's questionable psychological profile isn't placed in charge of men and weapons. clearly, in rep. west's case, that system failed dramatically.

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    I Know I Gonna Get Some S For This... (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:23:58 PM EST
    ... but coming from the military, I can assure you it is full of psychotics.  Like 5 in boot camp were gone, and I went to San Diego, probably the easiest bootcamp in the military.  Then you get on a ship for 3 years, away from home for 6mths at a crack with 3000 dudes.  Even the well adjusted folks get a little off kilter.  The borderlines don't fair well.

    Plenty of jagoff officers running the laundry, the mess hall, and the many talentless jobs the military needs.  Like school, when you were a kid you thought teachers were these powerful and noble people.  Now you realize, the are a few good ones, plenty of mediocre ones, and plenty of jagoffs who's only talent is yelling at kids.

    In my experience, except for a very tiny population, people with real talent left, people who couldn't do any better stayed and eventually ended up in charge.  It's why I hated it, idiots with no futures telling me do to something that make absolutely no sense for no other reason than they could.  And it was do it, or get written up.

    Plus of course, the obvious, it's the only organization in which killing is part of the job description, it's only logical that psychotics might flourish under the right circumstances.  

    Even glamorous jobs like pilots, cool gig, but if that is your ambition, at some point you have to realize that there's a pretty good chance that you might be dropping bombs on human beings, and possibly children.  

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    All Aboard!!! (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 07:51:01 AM EST
    Over finished done with the landscaping, thorns more of a...umm, thorn...than the heat.  Feel like I did 12 rounds with a pack of alley cats.  Proud of the ghetto 'burb beautification.

    And on the third day, breaking lamb's bread with all my fellow Northeast heads at the Vibes.  Further doing a 4 hour set?  Are you sh*ttin' me?  It is on party people!  I'll say hi to Wavy Gravy for all of TL:)

    Got a ferry to catch, magic bus should be here any moment.  Life is a Carnival

    Disfrutate, Amigo! (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:41:36 PM EST
    And to think, I was concerned kdog might (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:43:12 PM EST
    keel over in the extreme heat.  Not to worry.  

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    Just received this via e-mail from (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:50:51 PM EST
    a friend.  Funny.  

    In 1952, Armon M. Sweat, Jr., a member of the Texas House of Representatives,was asked about his position on whiskey. What follows is his exact answer (taken from the Political Archives of Texas):

    "If you mean whiskey, the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean that evil drink that topples Christian           men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness, and           hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fiber of my being.

    However, if by whiskey you mean the oil of         conversation, the philosophic wine, the elixir of life, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their           hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the           step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; if you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great           tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; if you mean that drink the sale of which pours into Texas treasuries untold millions of dollars each           year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the           finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation, then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favor           of it.

    This is my position, and as always, I refuse to           compromise on matters of principle.



    I now (none / 0) (#1)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:09:52 PM EST
    Have a bad feeling about the deal.  Too early to pounce but reading the reactions of the dems after that meeting is the first concrete sign I see of some trouble.

    I had a problem with premature judgment and still do, but my spider sense is tingling.

    thank you for saying so (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59:23 PM EST
    Good of you to say so (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 10:26:31 AM EST
    but I hope that your heightened spider sense also helps you to be a bit more forgiving of those of us whose sensibilities led us there before you.

    A lot of us have had to live and learn from others here -- and live down overly defensive initial reactions, when we saw how smart are many commenters here.

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    In less than 3 hours?!? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:30:11 PM EST
    You went from mocking criticism of the proposed deal to "having a bad feeling" about it?

    Time to get your "spider sense" checked.

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    Yman (none / 0) (#20)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 08:54:41 AM EST
    Stop trying so hard to score points.  I had no concrete evidence that anything being leaked was legitimate have been saying so from the start (and that notion has proven to be true as the story has swung wildly from the big deal to the clean bill and back).

    My primary focus and arbiter of what is happening is the mood of senate democrats, who to represent the most pragmatic and responsible group in the room.

    They weren't happy yesterday and as soon as I saw their quotes after the Obama meeting, the spider sense went off.

    So yes I changed within hours, yes there was a reason and yes my spider sense can still sense danger or Doctor Octopus about to rob a laboratory if it happens.

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    Not trying to "score points" (none / 0) (#23)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 09:37:22 AM EST
    I just think it's funny that you could pull a 180 so quickly.  Not only that, but do so within hours of mocking those who were reading the news reports and saw the writing on the wall, and after weeks telling us not to worry  that this was all "just posturing" (BTW - also with no "concrete evidence").

    But keep an eye out for any posts dealing with "Doctor Octopus about to rob a labratory".  Maybe your "spider sense" will have better luck with comic book scenarios.

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    Yman and ABG, (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:44:09 PM EST
    I look at it this way-- it's just business. Remember Tessio said to tell Michael he always liked him...

    I"ve had 180s like that before, but often pridefulness has kept me from saying anything.

    No harm, no foul. I hope we still get to argue about other things, ABG, I'm sure we will!

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    In Fact... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:32:29 PM EST
    ... 180er's, flip/floppers, whatever, they are a sign of reason, they can evaluate information, calculate, and modify their original thought.

    I have had enough 'stay the course' and resolute types in my lifetime.


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    It's not the flip-flopping, per se (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:09:50 PM EST
    It's the willful ignorance of facts that contradict ABG's Obamapologia, as well as his mocking of others for being critical of this deal just hours beforehand.

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    I thought it was interesting (none / 0) (#9)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:02:50 AM EST
    that to his credit, Obama made a play to let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire if they couldn't resolve tax reform as part of the original "Grand Bargain."  Obviously no tax reform is happening with this Congress.  Story about that is here.  I don't think that should be part of a deal that includes safety net cuts, though.  One time at least that 11th dimensional chess was really trying its best anyway.

    If there's a deal that's not going to be a clean debt ceiling raise, it WILL BE BAD.  And I think things are tilting to an unnecessarily bad deal.  The question is, what does the Obama Administration think they are gaining by this?  Does being bipartisan a year ago really matter to voters?  The Gallup polls about him being more popular than other Presidents in such economies worry me...cos I don't think they can skate into another 4 years with good feelings about how DC works..

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    Axelrod (none / 0) (#10)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:07:42 AM EST
    thinks they are gaining a second term via "moderate" Republicans & right-leaing independents.

    The question is, what does the Obama Administration think they are gaining by this?


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    Voter Turn Out (none / 0) (#16)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 05:53:04 AM EST
    Axelrod  and Obama have always felt that they had to focus on this group to win. They take it for granted that Democrats will come around at election time because the alternative is worse.

    I think they've miscalculated this time. They've marched too far from Democratic Party principles.

    Democratic voters gave the party everything it could hope for in 2008 and were slapped in the face for their efforts

    Democrats won't vote for a Republican, but I think there are a lot of Democrats out there that just won't vote at all.

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    Talk about a bubble (none / 0) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 06:08:09 AM EST
    "...a lot of Democrats out there that just won't vote at all."

    They don't need any high priced pollsters, or consultants, to see what the mood is for millions of Democratic voters...Depressed! To not comprehend that the stay-at-home numbers will be huge is to constitute criminally negligent stupidity.

    "who else are they gonna vote for" is a good strategy, except when election day arrives and four voters show up.....and they will be holding their noses.

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    I disagree there (none / 0) (#21)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 08:59:26 AM EST
    I think the definition of democrat as applied to most democrats in the country is wildly disconnected from the term as used here.

    I think Obama ca make a horrible deal and still win when the GOP tells us boldly that they want to slash medicare and SS even more.

    I think it is a mistake to underestimate how much the nation values a person who is seeking compromise in good faith in a difficult position.  

    If Obama can avoid disaster, he will end up looking very good and it will bolster his election chances.

    This fact has little to do with whether the ultimate deal is actually very good.  The public will remember the process and forget the substance because no one on either side is going to point to the result and proudly claim that they slashed SS for example.

    This is one situation in which the parties, their positions and a lack of primary will leave us with no one arguing that this deal was horrible for those relying on entitlements.

    What candidate is going to make that argument?

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    Principles (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 09:51:29 AM EST
    I'm far from what I would term a bleeding heart liberal. There are certain principles of the party that aren't open to debate.

    The party I grew up with has always been the champion for:

    The "blue collar and working class".

    They have always stood up for woman's rights.

    They've always been pro union and a defender workers rights.

    They respected the elderly and the contributions they have made to the betterment of our society.

    They understood the disadvantages faced by the poor and implemented programs to help people get out of poverty.

    They were the party of the people, not the moderate wing of the Republican Party.

    The difference seems to be that when Republicans are in charge they could care less about appeasing Democrats. They have their marching orders and steamroll their agenda through. Their concern os to satisfy their base.

    Democrats have diluted their principles so much that it's becoming increasingly difficult to know where they stand anymore.

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    Maybe the heat is making you delusional. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:52 AM EST
    I think the definition of democrat as applied to most democrats in the country is wildly disconnected from the term as used here.

    I think it might be a good move on your part to stop being so intent on whether we do or don't meet your - or some pollster's - definition of "Democrat," and more time looking at the policies people here are advocating.  I don't really understand why you - who purport to be a big believer in the "big tent" - are so determined that we shape ourselves to fit some generic construct - I don't know what that gains you, not in terms of getting better policy, at a minimum.

    I think Obama ca make a horrible deal and still win when the GOP tells us boldly that they want to slash medicare and SS even more.

    Sigh.  You don't really hear yourself, do you?  "Still win" what, exactly?  And for whom?  Shouldn't "winning" in the case of a president have something to do with  more than just personal political gain?  Shouldn't there be some element of what he's doing for the people - the vast majority of whom do not have the voice that money and power accords?  I'm not seeing a president who works to that end, but you want us to believe that it is better that he get to keep what he's doing because, so far, it's not as bad as what the GOP wants to do.  

    That's not good enough.

    I think it is a mistake to underestimate how much the nation values a person who is seeking compromise in good faith in a difficult position.  

    And I think it is a mistake to underestimate how angry ordinary people will be when the dust settles on whichever craptastic deal gets done.  Layoffs are picking up speed, the government itself has plans to layoff tens of thousands of people from its computer centers, sending even more people out into a non-existent jobs market.  Do you really think, as that situation worsens, and we add benefit cuts and the states start hacking even more at their own budgets, that people are going to be grateful for the "compromises" that ultimately are going to further compromise their own financial present?  Have you lost your mind?

    If Obama can avoid disaster, he will end up looking very good and it will bolster his election chances.

    Is "disaster" just that the debt ceiling doesn't get raised?  Seems to me that he may be able to avoid one disaster, only to have created another for millions of people.  It may be that in the immediate - like first 10 minutes - of getting a deal done, he will look...okay, but beyond that, I think he will look worse with every bad jobs report, every increase in the unemployment rate, every announcement by state governors of more cuts in services, every last little bit of coverage on just how hard benefits cuts are going to hit people.  There are no points awarded for not cutting the safety net as bad as the other guys want to.

    This fact has little to do with whether the ultimate deal is actually very good.  The public will remember the process and forget the substance because no one on either side is going to point to the result and proudly claim that they slashed SS for example.

    Now, you've just gone off the rails; people actually don't care about process - they care about results, about how the policies and laws being made in Washington affect their ability to survive.  And I wouldn't be so sure that Obama won't brag about what he did to the safety net, either.

    This is one situation in which the parties, their positions and a lack of primary will leave us with no one arguing that this deal was horrible for those relying on entitlements.
    What candidate is going to make that argument?

    "No one" will be arguing that the deal was horrible?  I think you've left some important people out of this equation: the people negatively, in fact, punitively, affected by the deal.  They will be arguing all the way to the voting booth.

    I think you need to change your screen name to "Minister of Propaganda."


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    Hmmm. Let me riff on ABG here. (none / 0) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:01:15 PM EST
    there are blue dogs, yellow dogs, Reagan democrats, racist democrats, and so forth...

    I think, Anne, the big thing is the social safety net. But even then, there are tried and true Democratic voters, some who voted for Reagan but for Dems downticket in 1980-- not Stalingrad-- i mean 1982--, who wanted reforms to 'welfare.'

    I don't think they understood, and I don't think today that the Tea Party or a lot of the centrist dems, have no collective memory or experience with the bad old days.

    Certainly the limousine liberals and the "creative class" don't. To them, the core liberal democratic values are 'guidelines,' not laws written in stone.

    I believe they think of us like the post-Brezhnev Communist Central Committee thought about the old line Party members who spoke of Lenin and the Great Patriotic War... old men whose minds had been addled by Stalin and war.  

    On one side, these vivid memories gave direction and purpose to the principles. To the younger ones, without those shared experiences, the principles consisted of archaic rules designed by elitists. Remember, the younger ones had benefited from their parents' positions in that nation and culture, much like elites' children here do.

    Ran across a quote this morning, and I have to share it.

    "Our state apparatus is so deplorable, not to say wretched, that we must first think very carefully how to combat its defects, bearing in mind that these defects are rooted in the past, which, although it has been overthrown, has not yet been overcome, not yet reached the stage of a culture that has receded into the past."

    Kind of sounds like the Tea Party or the Koch brothers, right?

    Vladimir Lenin, in the early '20s. I lost the citation, I apologize.

    So, ABG and Anne-- call it an epiphany for me to see the two parallel points y'all are making.

    I have to say that my job, as I see it, remains keeping faithful to the old ideals, so that young whippersnappers can't come in and tear down the system, and those dems of various stripes-- I don't know-- explain as best I can why I value calling myself a liberal, I suppose.

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    I keep hearing about how much money (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:01:36 PM EST
    the Koch brothers is giving the Tea Party...

    I sure wish they would comp our dinner at the next meeting of our local group.

    Anybody have an email address????

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    Jim, I think they (none / 0) (#48)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 03:23:24 PM EST
    figure they don't need to worry about Mississippi or Tennessee. They put their money in Wisconsin, Indiana, and I think Ohio.  If they decide to comp y'alls dinner, let me know, because free food and poker after?

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    dead wrong, imo (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    DEAD wrong

    The public will remember the process and forget the substance


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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:33:30 PM EST
    it's our job to keep reminding of the substance. If we don't, all we get is a bad process.

    If the Democrats get labelled as the party that "took down Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, Food Stamps..." then it dies from suicide.

    After murdering the American way of life.

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    had to delete a comment (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:41:24 PM EST
    the link was too long and it skewed the site. It was by New Mex. Voice of Reason:

    Major news of the day is that Chris Christie is smack dab in the middle of the Newscorp scandal here in the US. Seems a company was hacked by Newscorp. They caught them red handed, and turned the evidence over to the US Attorney, who declined to prosecute for the federal computer hacking offenses. The company went on to win a civil suit.

    Alleged computer hacking of N.J. company by News Corp. subsidiary gets new attention

    Why would (none / 0) (#6)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:46:38 PM EST
    the DA fail to prosecute in a case like this, Jeralyn?

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    I see... timing. (none / 0) (#7)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 21, 2011 at 11:49:54 PM EST
    Or I'd suspect it, with
    Bush attorneys and Christie in charge...

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    Saw a headline stating Springsteen could (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:57:43 AM EST
    beat Christie.  No wonder!

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    Like voter intimidation???? (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 10:38:56 AM EST
    pot kettle

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    The New Black Panther Party case? Heh (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 11:53:20 AM EST
    That was a funny one.  Turns out the OPR investigation concluded that politics played no role in the handling of the New Black Panther Party case.

    BTW, Jim - Remember the case of Kenneth Gladney, the AA, tea party member that you were hyping a few weeks ago as an example of "union thuggery?  Took the jury only 40 minutes to acquit both of those "union thugs".  But the funniest part?  Gladney was still wearing the neck brace at the trial.  To be fair, though,...

    ... that was a fairly obvious verdict.

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    I understand that the Obama (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 01:58:55 PM EST
    Justice Department under the control of the most political appointees in history cut them loose.

    That's the point. Perhaps you missed the video with the guys out front, one with stalking around with a club... No intimidation there! No sir! Just move along, nothing to see here.

    Now to the subject at hand.

    Of course there is this small matter that the prosecutors might have thought that the defense would bring up. From the link provided.


    While confirming that "someone using a News America Marketing computer address" accessed Floorgraphics' password protected computers, News America spokeswoman Halpin told NBC that "this site was available to hundreds, if not thousands, of Floorgraphics retailers, representatives of consumer packaged goods companies and Floorgraphics employees. There is considerable employee movement within this industry, and we believe it was someone with an authorized password. News America Marketing condemned this conduct, which is in violation of the standard of our company."


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    Hahahahahahah .... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:27:28 PM EST
    I understand that the Obama Justice Department under the control of the most political appointees in history cut them loose.

    That's the best you've got?!?  Not even a decent try, Jim.  Take another look at the Report, Jim.  It was prepared by the OPR (Office of Professional Responsibility).  The office's sole mission is to look at allegations of attorney misconduct in the DOJ.  It's headed by Mary Patrice Brown - a career prosecutor - not the "most political appointee in history".

    Ooops.

    News America spokeswoman Halpin told NBC that "this site was available to hundreds, if not thousands, of Floorgraphics retailers, representatives of consumer packaged goods companies and Floorgraphics employees.

    Riiiiiggghhhtttt - Which is why, a few days into trial, after testimony from a whistleblower who was employed by Newscorp, they paid Floorgraphics $29.5 million dollars.  - not to mention all the other suits they had to pay hundreds of millions to settle for charges of corporate espionage and anticompetitive behavior.

    Heheheheh ...

    BTW - No reaction to Gladney?  You really should look at the video of him in the neck brace after the (very brief) trial.  It's not as funny as the one you posted of him in the wheelchair the day after the incident, but it's pretty d@mn close!

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    BTW - Re: Christie (none / 0) (#46)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 02:56:38 PM EST
    I have no idea whether Christie did anything improper in not pursuing the investigation into Newscorp.  It is funny, however, that you dismiss the findings of career prosecutors at OPR when you don't like their conclusions (i.e. politics played no role in the decision not to pursue charges of voter intimidation against the NBPP), yet you poo-poo possible political interference from Christie when the investigation has hardly begun.

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    Other good news (none / 0) (#30)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 at 12:39:10 PM EST
    It also warmed my heart to hear that two former exec's from News Corp have evidence that James Murdock lied to Parliment. (E-mails showing he did know of the pay offs).In addition his former legal manager is contradicting his testimony.

    Is lying to Parliment a criminal offense?

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