Monday Night Open Thread

The Anthony Weiner thread is filling up. You can continue the discussion here.

The U.S. is still not convinced Ilyas Kashmiri is dead. Me either.

The defense rested in the Tahawwur Rana terror trial after calling two witnesses, a computer expert and an immigration lawyer. They didn't call their LeT expert Marc Sageman even though the judge ruled they could. The Judge asked the Government if he should dismiss the Indictment as to Ilyas Kashmiri, and the Government said no. Rana didn't testify. Closing arguments are tomorrow.

TV tonight: On The Bachelorette, Bentley gets exposed as a truly awful cad. And the guy with the mask finally takes it off. I wish they'd get to Thailand already, I'm looking forward to seeing Chiang Mai and Phuket. (They also went to Hong Kong and Taiwan, before finishing up in Fiji.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Goolsbee stepping down . . . . (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:33:53 PM EST
    or so says my TeeVee . . . .

    Why? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:43:35 PM EST
    Not a good sign

    Going back to teaching . . . (none / 0) (#4)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:45:15 PM EST
    is what I think the 'reason' is. At least he's not "spending more time with the family" . . .  ;)

    Going back to teaching? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:48:20 PM EST
    Instead of serving the President of the United States in the 2nd most trying economic time in our nation's history.  Either he was run out for disagreeing with Giethner and Bernanke or he's getting out of Dodge before his name goes down in history being affixed to something.

    I know he was supposed to go out there (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:01:01 PM EST
    and put the best face on it, but he had "look at me, I'm putting the best face on it!" written all over his forehead.

    Aww. . . . give the dude a break! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:01:53 PM EST
    Isn't teaching supposed to be a noble profession? Until of course you join a union, expect to be paid a living wage, not work for free etc . . . .

    Methinks he wants distance to insure future earnings . . .  but hey, I'm not jaded.


    So THAT's why I'm moving every 2-3 years... (none / 0) (#48)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:40:26 AM EST
    my demand for compensation. I oughtta just say Yessir Cap'n...

    I hope he was run out because (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:50:16 PM EST
    he is the worst spokesman ever. Coincidentally couple of us discussed it in a thread this morning. Does the WH read TL?

    They do! (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by lilburro on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:14:16 PM EST
    I have just been appointed to do...whatever it is he did, exactly.  I will be quoting Digby extensively...as per usual.  In all seriousness, I hope they appoint someone with a bit more political skill because Goolsbee's Excel inspired public speaking style was not working.

    Thanks ruffian (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:52:53 PM EST
    been gone today

    Oh, my pleasure! I was bored at work! (none / 0) (#8)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:59:11 PM EST
    Do you really think President Diplomat (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:04:52 PM EST
    would run out his buddy?

    On second thought, if it interfered with 'WTF'*, perhaps . . .

    * WTF was designed for Obama, not us . . . .


    Apparently, he's unhappy (none / 0) (#44)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:18:24 AM EST
    with the conservative economic policies of this administration:


    go figure...


    Leaving before the double dip (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 06:09:21 AM EST
    strikes fast and hard.

    I like how they mention (none / 0) (#59)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:18:27 AM EST
    the whiteboard presentation.  That was one of the dumbest, least convincing things I've seen from the Obama Administration on the economy.  It reminded me of Obama's "state of the nation" weekly Youtube videos, and how they were initially supposed to be this great, motivational thing.  Too clever by half.

    Be still my heart! (none / 0) (#28)
    by lilburro on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:09:29 PM EST
    I am sure he has his strengths, but explaining the economy and why it's awesome on national television was hardly one of them.  

    At least General Franco is (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by tigercourse on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:41:56 PM EST
    still dead.

    You sound more like a prude . . . (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:25:54 PM EST
    than a liberal . . .  just sayin'

    "A pervert free zone"? There'd be like (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by tigercourse on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:48:35 PM EST
    one 90 year old guy and maybe 3 women left.

    I'm not so sure of the (5.00 / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:54:47 AM EST
    90 year old guy. Let's just say that the rumors are flying about his conduct and National Enquirer is said to be publishing an expose any day now. :o)

    Amazing how much the Sex and the Stupid (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by republicratitarian on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:14:56 PM EST
    thread filled up.

    Apparently Weiner's wiener is a winner.

    I think it's the complete liar part (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 06:10:38 AM EST
    of the story.

    I think every pol who has (none / 0) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:27:55 AM EST
    lied to the American public should resign. :-) We need a whole new crew up in D/C.

    Send 535 who haven't been spoiled by the system and see what happens.

    nah (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:40:18 AM EST
    its the story of Anthonys weiner

    They always do.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:49:50 PM EST
    the economy, the occupations, the state of political debate in this country....bor-ing!

    We talk a good game but when that train wrecks we all stop and gawk...human nature. And its an especially humorous case.

    Poor Weiner is on the hook till the next train wreck...hang in there Ant, they come quick these days with everybody and their moms digging for dirt on everybody else....shouldn't be long.  


    At least ya left out... (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:42:51 PM EST
    sexual cyber predator...some are slapping that label on this nonsense.

    Waiting on the new federal sex crime legislation proposal to criminalize this....should be along shortly, with mandatory minimums and a registry!

    I'm a NYer and I'm not disgraced by this, its got nothing to do with me...the fact that their isn't crime scene tape around Wall St. and the Fed is a disgrace, the fact that 140 people are placed in chains in Weiner's city for simple marijuana possession every damn day is a disgrace.  This is a distraction from our disgraces.

    I'm late to this story (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:08:50 AM EST
    But it was all private conduct, no?

    Nothing illegal, no federal money, no staffer or intern.

    And, just how many teens do se*ting nowadays?

    He should jsut said it was no one's business instead of giving false accounts.

    since this is an open thread (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:50:06 AM EST
    i am compelled to say that i thoroughly enjoyed your comment in the Weiner thread about the demise of your first marriage

    i am gay & was not in the least offended by it

    i took your use of the term "bulldyke," & its juxtaposition with the fact that your first wife's paramour was a truck driver, as an instance of what in the rhetoric of fiction is understood to be indirect internal monologue - in this case, the words & worldview of your younger, wounded, admittedly heterosexist self - & you did admit that

    great comment, great story & glad you can laugh now & share it with us

    i also thank those who jumped to the defense of GLBT folks by calling you on the carpet for your comment - good impulse, but in this case i think the criticism was misplaced

    my $.02

    I knew I liked you A-Fam:)... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:36:29 AM EST
    Very well said...I find it terribly sad when people can't be bothered to try and understand each other because a stupid pc alarm goes off.

    I thank you for taking the time and making the effort to understand the context and intent of a fellow member of this little online community...kudos.


    I've gone back and read the (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:03:59 AM EST
    entire comment, wanting to understand why someone would find it necessary to use such stereotypically derogatory language in order to tell a story about a painful time in his life, and I guess I just don't get it.  I especially don't get it because Donald has shared this story before, and done so without the kinds of descriptions he used in the most recent telling.

    Do you think it was what Donald imagined a truck-driving lesbian "must" look like that made the experience more painful?  Would his male ego have been soothed if the woman in question had been a drop-dead gorgeous lipstick lesbian?  What does what the "other woman" looked like have to do with anything?  

    What if she had been black?  Would there have been even the faintest tinge of distaste at reading that he had been left for someone who was [insert racist language here]?  If he said his wife had gone off to live with "Shaniqua" instead of "Large Marge?"  Seriously, the thread would have burst into flames in about 5 seconds.

    I thought it was gratuitous; not a single bit of pain would have been lost from the comment if the derogatory language had not been used.

    And, for whatever it's worth, I don't base my reactions to language on whether those of the same persuasion - whether it's a matter of race, gender or sexual orientation - are offended.


    Oh, get over yourself, Donald. (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:34:56 AM EST
    And maybe try a little less passive/aggressive, damning-with-faint-praise once in a while, while you're at it.

    It's your story, and you're entitled to tell it - but you didn't just tell it to those who regularly comment here and who have read it before, but to everyone out there with a computer and some free time - and if I've learned anything, it's that we don't have control over how anyone interprets or reacts to what we "say" here or anywhere else.

    And I know this because you are now putting words and thoughts into my mouth that I didn't say - or think or mean.  It wouldn't be the first time, and I'm certain it won't be the last.  

    Some of the words you used made me wince - sorry - and I truly did not see or understand how they added anything to anyone's ability to understand the pain of your experience; and apparently, I wasn't alone in being puzzled by the gratuitous language.  

    I don't see how that is me being on a high horse, or being overly PC - you put it out there, people reacted: deal with it.  


    I say "Large Marge" (none / 0) (#82)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:17:42 AM EST
    all the time - she was a character in Pee Wee's Big Adventure (who also happened to be a manly looking woman who drove a truck).

    I used to tease my dad by calling him "Large Marge in Charge".

    I would never consider that equal to a racist comment.


    Too funny... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:17:28 AM EST
    we took to calling our moms "Large Marge" after "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" came out, for no other reason her name starts with M.

    "I'm a loner Dottie...a rebel."


    LOL (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:54:12 AM EST
    "Tell them Large Marge sent ya."

    "I say we kill him!" (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:10:10 PM EST
    "I say we hang him then we kill him!"

    "I say we stomp him, then we hang him, then we kill him!"

    "I say ya let me have him first!"

    Better stop now, I could do this all day:)


    You answered your own question... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:41:58 AM EST
    it was a painful time in the man's life, and he was recollecting that time in his life...and it related to a discussion of emotional-based failings.

    The "other woman" was just half the outlet for his hurt (in my reading), and when people feel hurt by others they sometimes think/say the most hateful derogatory things...I think that is fairly natural. Sh*t, if it had been me I can imagine far worse popping into my head and out my mouth in that situation....far far worse.  I've said/thought far far worse over a run of the mill broken heart.

    Was Don's intent to demean all truck-driving gay women?  Of course not.  Was that the context in which he used the term(s)?  No, it was in the context of recollecting a most painful time in his life.  And I'd say the same thing if it was a word/phrase that set off the racist bureau or ageist bureau or whatever subsection over at PC Police Headquarters....because I don't believe for a second old Don has a bigoted bone in his body...the body of his comment work here tell us that.


    not speaking for Donald (none / 0) (#104)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:45:04 PM EST
    but seriously edeavoring to engage your hypothesis wrt l'affaire Mrs. Donald the First

    the more effective analogy would have been to MDF's running off not with a black woman but with a black man

    Donald's point, apart from telling a story in which his own flaws constitute the laff riot, was to show how his heterosexism & deeply ingrained sense of male entitlement deformed his whole outlook on the world, & to convey that point in the language of wounded, furious phallocracy

    now, if MDF's honey had been a black man, it's easy to imagine the torrent of racist vitriol that would have escaped the furious maw of wounded, white-liberal-but-scratch-a-white-liberal Donald, all in a lather because one of THEM was adulterating one of OUR pure white wimminfolk with his _ __ ___.

    so let's imagine that MDF did run off with the brother of "Shaniqua" (your nomenclature, btw - should i rake you over the coals for giving her that name, or were you simply engaging in the very same narrative strategy that Donald used, & that i have just used by imagining Donald using it in the preceding paragraph?)

    you ask:

    Would there have been even the faintest tinge of distaste at reading that he had been left for someone who was [insert racist language here]?

    let me answer

    i am sure there would have been distaste in tinges & outrage by the bucket, though i am not convinced that every liberal-minded reader would have taken the story that way

    as we've seen in the case of the story that Donald actually did tell


    Addams - could you please clarify? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:39:02 AM EST
    I don't think I'm understanding your comment.

    Somehow, I don't think you're saying that it's OK (or non-offensive) to refer to a lesbian as a 'bulldyke truckdriver' or 'Large Marge".

    But I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here.


    No apology necessary (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:47:53 AM EST
    I was trying to understand Addams' comment.

    That you can sir.... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:45:42 AM EST
    well said in your own defense...sorry if I spoke outta turn defending you too...you know me and the pc police:)

    2 helpful references (none / 0) (#98)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:05:57 PM EST
    Dorrit Cohn, Transparent Minds: Narrative Modes for Presenting Consciousness in Fiction

    Wayne C. Booth, The Rhetoric of Fiction, second edition

    to my mind, what Donald committed in the Weiner thread was not an act of bigotry but a small act of literature

    i'm prompted to ask you what you think of the NewSouth Books edition of Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn


    I think I get it. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:10:19 PM EST
    but this is probably out of my league, with your references.

    probably also didn't help that I had no idea that 'large marge' was a known fictional character - shows how out of it I am with pop culture, lack of TV, etc.



    On the whole, "N*gger Jim" (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:06:40 PM EST
    is the most admirable, noble adult in Huckleberry Finn.

    And, time and again I still can't help but wonder whether Rabelais and Celine and Henry Miller would ever have dared to write a word if they had internalized this still prevalent, beyond-hyper-sensitive, pc tyrant that threatens to rear it's head any time anyone writes in primary colors.  


    Say it ain't so... (none / 0) (#117)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:17:48 PM EST
    I know the censors were out to ruin Huck Finn and make old Longhorn Clemens roll over in his grave, they're f*ckin' with the comedic masterpiece "Blazing Saddles" too?

    Well I'll be Lilly Von Schtupped....

    If we never hear the dirty and derogatory terms, how will the kids know what context made them dirty and derogatory in the first place?


    It never works... (none / 0) (#122)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:35:40 PM EST
    ever caught the pc-version of "The Breakfast Club"?  Also an outrage...

    "No dad, flip you!" just doesn't cut the mustard.


    Seriously... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:58:42 PM EST
    hacking a man to pieces with a chainsaw is kosher, just don't say f8ck while you do it....we are so weird.

    This has always (none / 0) (#140)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:11:37 PM EST
    flummoxed me about American films.  Show all the blood and guts that you want (not that it will get you a "G" rating), but swear words and sex give everyone the vapors.  Americans need to grow up when it comes to language and sex.  To me, violence is obscene.  Not that it should be restricted in films made for adults (Fargo is one of my faves, but the wood-chopper scene still gives me the willies), but violence seems to be much more acceptable to display to kids than sex and bad words.  Mr. Zorba always used to say that he would rather have our kids (when they were young) see some sex scenes or hear some bad language, than see gratuitous violence.

    I agree (none / 0) (#149)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:01:25 PM EST
    You have explained what I meant to say, much better than I could.

    I think you may have got your wish (none / 0) (#165)
    by Rojas on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 07:48:45 AM EST
    I noticed some years ago Shane is rated R.

    I wonder if (none / 0) (#124)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:40:04 PM EST
    there will ever be a PC version of HBO's Deadwood?  Half the dialogue would disappear.  (It's very, very good, but it ain't exactly PC, language-wise.)

    Meant to mention... (none / 0) (#128)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:48:11 PM EST
    the censors are exactly the reason that HBO & Showtime Original Series are kicking network tv's arse on the regular...the characters are free to speak in our native tongue, and it lends to realism and watch-ability.

    Actually, (none / 0) (#136)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:03:11 PM EST
    the creators of Deadwood admit that they use the "worst words" of today, as opposed to the "worst words" of that time, in order to give the flavor of the era.  They used plenty of "foul language" back then, but their bad language is not exactly our bad language.  Link.  Times change.

    "And they're always coming and going, (none / 0) (#153)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 06:25:09 PM EST
    and going and coming,
    and always too soon."

    Great stuff.

    My boys, 9 & 12, love the movie "Space Balls." They laughed even harder once I told them what "The Schwartz" was really referring to...


    sure Donald (none / 0) (#100)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:10:03 PM EST
    btw i am a "she" not a "he"

    Justice for sale (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Makarov on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:29:48 AM EST
    yet again. This time in Florida:

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/ct-met-levin-hit-and-run-2-20110603,0,7039906.story?pa ge=1&track=rss

    The scion of a wealthy Chicago-area family pleaded guilty in a South Florida court Friday to killing two British businessmen with his Porsche but avoided prison after agreeing to pay an undisclosed sum to the widows.

    Ryan LeVin, 36, will spend two years under house arrest in his parents' oceanside condominium.
    By comparison, a South Florida driver who pleaded guilty to a similar hit-and-run crash with one fatality was sentenced Friday to nine years in prison and ordered to pay $5,000 in restitution.

    Or maybe this situation, Blood Money, is what Republicans in various states were afraid of when they passed acts and amendments banning "Sharia law".

    Half-Agree (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:53:59 AM EST
    i think he should go, but not because his reputation is in tatters. There's an app for that, called image crisis consultants.

    He should go because he lied and would have continued lying except the jig was up.

    His trust is gone. He can look you in the eye saying" A" when he knows it's B. Would you buy a used car from him? I wouldn't.

    The lie could have been about anything. Shoplifting for example.If he publicly denied it day after day and then  admitted it, that's not cool for a politician.

    He almost reminds me of Susan Smart in South Carolina who went before the microphones to plead for the safe return of her babies, knowing she had killed them.

    Had he come out on day 1 and said "You got me" -- it was stupid, I'm embarrassed and I apologize, it would have blown over.

    Now he's just another, "Liar,Liar, Your  Pants are on fire, Your nose is longer than a telephone wire" kind of guy.

    I think the Democrats are having (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:10:56 AM EST
    Bill Clinton flashbacks too this morning.  There must be some pretty crazy photos out there. And this time there is photo evidence demonstrating how deep the lying was.  He needs to go, and the Democrats need to seek accountability from him or this could be a huge hit for the party. Anthony Wiener......what a dummy

    They never learn, do they? (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:26:17 AM EST
    I mean it's not like they haven't seen their fellow members of Congress and others at high levels in government go through this over and over and over, so, do they just always think "that could never happen to me?"  Have they not figured out that the media have made sport out of "catching" politicians?

    What people do in their personal lives is their business; apparently the world is chock full of people who think the vows they take when they get married are just suggestions, or it's okay to silently add "if it's not too hard or if I feel like it or something better doesn't come along" to what they are promising to do.  Their definition of "commitment" is different from mine, but if it works for them, who am I to judge?

    But at least be willing to face the consequences when your private life sends your public life sideways - which, in this environment, it inevitably will.

    Whatever Weiner's private failures are is of no interest to me; his public failure was in being willing to blame it on everyone else until the evidence mounted that he had no one to blame but himself.  The public and political consequence is that one of the few who was actually pushing Obama from the left has been neutralized; I don't imagine the WH is shedding any tears today over Weiner's fall from grace.  Republicans are probably just as happy, and they have the bonus of being able to make Weiner the poster buy for what liberals are "really" like - which they will do, in their own inimitable way, even though one could fill a large hall with the photos of Republicans who have done similar things.

    I fully expect he will resign, probably by the end of the week; Fridays are such a good day for that sort of thing.

    Thanks, Anthony!  Hope it was worth it - maybe you can get a nice book deal out of it; too bad your constituents, and liberals across the country, have gotten a big, fat nothing.


    My husband was furious with him too (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:25:23 AM EST
    this morning because now he has turned Brietbart into a champion of women who Wiener would abuse.  Brietbart was wrongfully accused, and now he will not make public the X-rated photo he claims to have of Wiener as long as Wiener does not attempt to smear any of the women involved by exposing anything that they did that could be embarrassing for them in Wienergate.  Anthony Wiener is the gift that keeps on giving to Brietbart.  First it was a scandalous story about a prominent Democrat and proponent of a very liberal platform.  And now it is the gift of becoming credible again to hide more scumbagness inside in the future, and a champion of the little women against powerful men.  Christ.....I need an Aleve.

    Mr. Zorba and I were re-hashing this yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:02:56 PM EST
    We were trying to figure out what makes apparently reasonably intelligent politicians do things like this, when there are myriad examples of others who have gotten in trouble for tweeting/texting/emailing such pictures to others not their spouses.  High school kids send inappropriate pictures, yes, but they're kids and their brains are not fully developed yet.  But a congressman?  The conclusion we came to is hubris.  Yes, the Greeks did have a word for it.  

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    George Santayana


    That's also (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by Nemi on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:21:29 PM EST
    what Eliot Spitzer comes up with in Alex Gibney's documentary "Client 9", to explain his own downfall: Hubris, using Ikaros as a metaphor.

    addiction is powerful (none / 0) (#99)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:08:44 PM EST
    native intelligence, reason, prudence, etc., do not compute with addiction

    I think that what they get addicted to (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    is their own power and a sense that they can do no wrong.  Which brings us back to hubris.

    My understanding of the tendencies that (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:52:43 PM EST
    Wiener displays is that it is the heightened danger of being "caught" combined with something that is also traveling the sexual neuropathway that is a potent brain soup of endorphins.  It gets them high on their own endorphins.

    Or (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:10:25 PM EST
    He could just be a jerk.  :)

    There may be (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:44:22 PM EST
    this endorphin high, but I think that they also really believe that they won't get caught.  There is an old, crude saying: they think that their "sh!t don't stink."  Another variation: they think that the sun shines out of their @ss.  Nothing they do is wrong, because they are doing it, and they are golden.  Sorry for the crudeness, but that does describe way too many of them.   ;-)

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:08:12 PM EST
    "naughty" does have its appeal.  There must be slightly smarter ways to deal with that though...

    And I thought that was part of (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:53:46 PM EST
    being an adult, channeling my naughty in healthy ways :)

    I think that's part of what (none / 0) (#161)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:22:41 PM EST
    makes us liberals...but apparently Weiner missed the memo on "healthy"...

    I wonder how this would play out if he wasn't married.  I don't think his behavior is really that scandalous (provided the message he sent to the college student in Seattle was in fact intended for someone else, as she seems willing to believe).  


    Not for me (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Nemi on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:26:48 PM EST
    to judge either but still it is awfully sad isn't it:
    apparently the world is chock full of people who think the vows they take when they get married are just suggestions, or it's okay to silently add "if it's not too hard or if I feel like it or something better doesn't come along" to what they are promising to do.

    If his constituents agree, (none / 0) (#47)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:38:36 AM EST
    he'll be out next election. Falling on one's sword or admitting a mistake seems anathema in Washington, even in our culture in general. Too bad, actually, because we seem to travel down poor policy roads long after the evidence is in they don't work-- to wit, the war on drugs.

    I'm not even bothered with his lying on this. I've come to expect lies from politicians. I'd prefer a lie about a tawdry photo than an enhanced interrogation. But once Pandora's box is opened, how can you have confidence?

    I'm trying to remember how Teddy Kennedy handled Chappaquiddik, didn't he appear in front of the media and admit he was in or driving the car, just some hours afterwards? He took his lumps for that.

    and our erstwhile representative from Harlem (Whom I like very much, so my view is biased) didn't deny, he just fought tooth and nail saying it was a bunch of small mistakes.


    The problem is (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:36:43 PM EST
    Teddy Kennedy didn't have things like 24 hour news / entertainment and pundit shows, the internet, YouTube, phone cameras, and blogs to deal with.  Kinda hard to compare what would have happened if he had the same scrutiny as these politicians today - I doubt he would have survived Chappaquiddick.

    Question (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:54:49 PM EST
    Based on what is known, do you think he should have??

    Oh, Teddy had plenty of (none / 0) (#160)
    by brodie on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:08:28 PM EST
    wall-to-wall MSM coverage of his accident and the subsequent legal proceedings.  Even w/o 24/7 cable, it was constantly being reported in the media -- a huge problem for the senator, political and legal, and it probably cost him the WH.

    Of course, there was also that other story around that time -- man landing on the Moon for the first time.  Yes, that one got a little more coverage, as it should have.  But the political/legal press was out in full force on Martha's Vineyard that summer covering his case.  Field day for everyone, including what passed for the RW media of course, and the Nixon WH.

    But I'm not sure why some of you are re-hashing that 42 y.o. case in the context of A. Weiner.  TK engaged in reckless conduct, including some drinking, which probably caused his impaired decision to drive that bridge.  Weiner, presumably fully sober, chose time and again -- we don't know how many times -- to make a fool of himself via Twitter and other social electronic means with at least 6 women (probably more when all the facts are out) other than his wife; virtual cheating one could say, and then massively lying about it later.

    Tragic accident for one under the influence, and fully sober intentional and repeated conduct by the other.  


    Teddy waited some 9 hours (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:13:10 AM EST
    and only issued a statement after the body was discovered.


    The thing that has always raised by BP is this:

    John Farrar, the diver who recovered Kopechne's body and captain of the Edgartown Fire Rescue unit, asserted that Kopechne did not die from the vehicle overturn or from drowning, but rather from suffocation, based upon the posture in which he found the body and its position relative to the area of an ultimate air pocket in the overturned vehicle. Farrar also asserted that Kopechne would likely have survived had a more timely attempt at rescue been conducted

    Half the story ... as usual (none / 0) (#66)
    by Yman on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:03:44 AM EST
    I'm not defending Kennedy - he should have reported the accident immediately.  That being said, why do you always insist on providing only half the facts?  Do you really think it's not completely transparent?

    John Farrar, the diver who recovered Kopechne's body and captain of the Edgartown Fire Rescue unit, asserted that Kopechne did not die from the vehicle overturn or from drowning, but rather from suffocation, based upon the posture in which he found the body and its position relative to the area of an ultimate air pocket in the overturned vehicle.

    Of course, the medical examiner who examined her body concluded that the cause of death was drowning, as did the PA court that heard the request for exhumation.

    Teddy waited some 9 hours and only issued a statement after the body was discovered.

    Uhhhhmmmm .... the accident happened @ 1:00 AM in 1969, long before the days of 24-hour cable news.  He should have reported it to the authorities immediately, Jeff's statement is entirely correct.


    But the public pretty much (none / 0) (#69)
    by brodie on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:11:37 AM EST
    expects pols to either be lying or at some point be caught lying, at which point they stop lying for a while until things calm down and they revert back to form.

    Iow, I think it's the lying plus the weinerosity of his sins -- not just cheating (virtually) on his wife, but the X-rated pix sent.

    I'm increasingly unsure he'll be able to hold on -- or if he should.  He once was a forceful advocate for liberal positions, but now his credibility is in tatters, and his speaking out for our principles now tends to taint those beliefs.  

    Perhaps 18 months of staying out of all public discussions might work -- but before that he'll need to be out in his district running for re-elect, and the press will be covering it closely.  They always do with Dems.  Especially in NY.

    Vitter had about 3 years after his embarrassing disclosure before re-elect came around.  And he was down in faraway, out of sight and mind Loozyana.  Lucky pol, unlike Anthony W.


    Jeralyn, did you think Pres. Clinton should (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:54:52 AM EST
    have resigned?

    liberals don't have morals? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:19:06 AM EST

    Of course we do. But (none / 0) (#63)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:44:48 AM EST
    we know the difference between the public sphere and the private.  If a person's private morality does not conform to the majority's professed standard (particularly when that standard is sanctimonious and hypocritical) it does not disqualify him/her from public office.  I do believe, however, that private behavior can often betray traits of character -- greed, narcissistic self-regard, disregard for serious commitments -- that bode ill for the effective performance of public duties.  Ultimately, I'd say it's the quality of performance of the public duties that counts in a public official, including political figures.

    I more or less agree. (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:33:47 AM EST
    I feel a little differently than most here, I think, about this kind of behavior though. Character of elected officials does matter to me I guess.

    My overall philosophy is that people shouldn't hurt other people (probably the reason I'm a liberal - I think republican policies are mostly uncompassionate and hurtful to people).

    Yes, this behavior is private and not necessarily disqualifying - but on the other hand, I do have an opinion about people who behave in ways that hurt others (which includes hurting their spouses and children with lies and betrayals). And, as you say, this can sometimes be an indicator to other character traits, beliefs and actions in their public lives.


    But don't you know (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Nemi on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:48:26 PM EST
    that his wife probably asked for it? "Maybe she's partly responsible", says Chris Matthews.
    (And why, I wonder, does that man even have a platform.)

    It's bad judgement. I don't care about anyone's (none / 0) (#73)
    by esmense on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:37:52 AM EST
    sex life, but I do care that politicians have a brain. Breitbart and his ilk don't care about destroying Weiner's marriage, they care about destroying the political issues, and the constituency for such issues (such as single payer health care and Justice Thomas' conflict of interest on the health reform issue), that Weiner claimed to represent. Weiner gave them the amunition to do so.

    Personally, I'm seeing red because he just proved Breitbart right about something -- elevating the position of a man who in other contexts has acted like scum. You don't find that objectionable? You don't expect politicians to be smarter and more strategic than that when they know that the issues they support create powerful enemies?

    The women who indulge in these kind of exchanges with prominent men are groupies of a sort. They weren't seeking him out because he is such a physically and personally attractive man -- the thing that made him attractive was his celebrity. They had seen him on TV. They were fans. Any politician who can't figure out that a woman who seeks sexual attention from someone who she knows only in the context of seeing him on TV wouldn't be thrilled to tell as many others about that attention as possible is a complete fool. For a moment these women may have made him feel like a rock or sports star, but he's in a different game with different rules. He knew the rules. If he didn't, then he is just too dumb to play the game.


    Sorry, that should have read (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by esmense on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:09:55 AM EST
    "would be thrilled to tell as many others...as possible."

    I know a woman, a former college classmate and work collegue, who, over the years, has indulged in, or tried to, similar behavior (phone sex, sexually loaded emails) with prominent men; actors, muscians, politicians, a sportscaster she had a crush on, etc. She is not mentally stable and in fact at this point in her life has slipped into full blown mental illness. But she was extremely attractive and seductive, and was doing this sort of thing well into her 50s. Ted Kennedy and Martin Sheen were two of her marks -- but, despite great persistence, she totally failed with them. They had layers of protection. She had more success with, and easier access to, people in the rock and sports world.

    Weiner, as a politician, should have known better.


    No evidence that he's a pervert or degenerate. (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:23:22 AM EST
    So far, at least, it all seems consensual. What pisses me off, as it always does in these situations, is the hurt and humiliation perpetrated on the spouse. That's all I ever think of in these cases - Edwards, Clinton, Wiener, etc.   It just infuriates me how people hurt their families this way. And that IS a moral issue.

    About Lying... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:42:27 AM EST
    This is another opportunity for us to watch film and video of a politician lying to us.

    We can watch and listen.
    We can allow ourselves to be swayed into belief or into the suspension of disbelief - all the while KNOWING that the person is LYING.

    What clues might we discover that would tell us that the person is lying? We know he is lying. Is there something in the tone or the facial expression that gives it away? Can we spot it, now that we know that the person is in fact, no doubt about it, lying to us?

    This can come in handy the next time we are called upon to believe or disbelieve some utterance from Mr. Obama.

    Good article about the Bush tax cuts (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:38:56 AM EST
    on their 10 year anniversary.

    Big debt: Between 2001 and 2010, the Bush tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the public debt, 50 percent of the total debt accrued during that time. Over the past 10 years, the country has spent more than $400 billion just servicing the debt created by the cuts.

    Other effects of cut are Supply-side failure, No jobs, Rich people benefit and Entitlements for trust-fund slackers link

    One positive outcome (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by Nemi on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 08:05:32 AM EST
    from the Strauss-Kahn affair seems to be that it has woken up French women who finally find that 'enough is enough'. What helped their anger along was comments like these from male members of the 'Gauche Caviar' - the wealthy intellectuals on the left:
    Jean-François Kahn, a well-known journalist, said he was "practically certain" that what had taken place had not been an attempted rape, but "an imprudence... the skirt-lifting of a domestic". Jack Lang, a former Socialist culture minister, wondered why, when "no man had died", Strauss-Kahn had not been released on bail immediately. Philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy, meanwhile, raged against a legal system that had treated DSK like "any other person". "Everybody," declared the philosopher, "is not everybody!"
    ... and American feminism:
    Gisèle Halimi, a women's rights activist and lawyer, who, at the age of 84, declared in an interview she was "convinced" that "if this [DSK] business had occurred in France, we would have known nothing about it". The US legal system, she said, reaffirms women's dignity and the protection of the weakest. "It has to be said, it's a victory for American feminists who, for years, have worked to show that sexual harassment and rape were serious crimes."
    How Dominique Strauss-Kahn's arrest awoke a dormant anger in the heart of France's women

    Or as the (male) editor of a liberal magazine said: Had this happened in France, the chambermaid would have been expelled to her country of origin and the officer arresting Strauss-Kahn would have been deported to one of the former colonies to do work as a traffic cop.

    Now, if we could only be more (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by brodie on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:03:41 AM EST
    like the French when it comes to not having a perp walk, outlawing la peine de mort, and, generally, not being so obsessed with severe punishment for legal offenders pour encourager les autres.

    I can't believe the headlines right now (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:26:25 PM EST
    you couldn't even make this stuff up and have someone believe you.

    Wiener will rise again

    Boehner silent on Wiener scandal

    Could it be (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Nemi on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:33:36 PM EST
    Boehner showing solidarity with a co-cryer? ;)

    The smoke... (none / 0) (#9)
    by desertswine on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:00:44 PM EST
    from the Arizona forest fires is worse than it was two nites ago.  

    SPRINGERVILLE, Ariz. (AP) - A massive wildfire in eastern Arizona that forced the evacuation of several mountain communities has grown to 301 square miles, and crews face another tough day ahead.

    The U.S. Forest Service says the blaze has burned nearly 193,000 acres since it started more than a week near the White Mountain town of Alpine.

    But so far there is zero containment.

    2,300 firefighters and 0% contained.

    It brings to mind that depressing Cormac McCarthy novel about the father and son traveling thru the wasteland.

    Are you in AZ? (none / 0) (#13)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:10:50 PM EST
    I hate wildfires. While in NY, I watched the ones in CA the past few years just cringing. I'm hoping the long rainy season will spare folks here. I'm not worried where I am, but when out and about, you can see just mass expanses that can burn. And they do.

    Here's hoping they get it under control soon and the weather cooperates . . . Perhaps some of our recent downpours will come their way?


    No, I'm in NM... (none / 0) (#15)
    by desertswine on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:16:24 PM EST
    But all the smoke is drifting in this direction. I've kept the cats, Hubie and Queen Patty, inside because of the stinking air.

    If you can, pick up some (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:31:42 PM EST
    baby saline solution to clear their noses, and some baby eye wash (or just purified/distilled water) for their eyes if the smoke gets to dense. That's what I did for mine after getting smoked out with 911 smoke. I keep it in my emergency pet kit now. Good for human eyes and noses too  ;)

    Hope it clears soon!


    Thanks for the suggestions (none / 0) (#34)
    by Amiss on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:37:40 AM EST
    my lil shih tzu has been having eye problems with the fire in the Okeefenokee Swamp fire, we live just a few miles from the trail and he has been miserable every time he goes out to tend to his bizness!

    No prob. Anything that is safe for a rinse/flush (none / 0) (#36)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:19:45 AM EST
    is good to have on hand. You may want to check with your vet for safety ;) I happened to have the supplies on hand from nursing a sick kitten when we got smoked out from 911 (on the 13th, wind shifted). When I got home, my throat felt like it had glass in it after about 20-40 mins (couldn't even speak). So I just grabbed the stuff to flush my cats out since they had been in the apt all day. I now keep it on hand. It may not stop something 'bad' happening to them, but in the moment, they seemed relieved. Added a level of comfort for them and me ;)

    Hope your smoke goes away soon and your pup gets some fresh air :)


    We're getting the haze too. (none / 0) (#21)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:34:29 PM EST
    Not a good combination with 90+ degree heat.  Health warning out for the usual at-risk population in parts of the State. Doesn't smell like a campfire around here though.

    On the plus side--colorful sunsets.

    Kyle Fredin, a meteorologist for the National Weather Service in Denver, said Monday that a ridge of high pressure was carrying the smoke as far away as central Iowa. He said the smoke was also hitting eastern Colorado -- where it obscured the view of the mountains from downtown Denver -- as well as New Mexico, Nebraska and Kansas.

    Fredin said the smoke won't be as noticeable in the Midwest, where humidity already makes conditions hazy, but it would likely cause striking orange-pink sunrises and sunsets, as it has in Denver.



    weiner (none / 0) (#16)
    by jharp on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:18:08 PM EST
    I am very disappointed. Just like with Eliot Spitzer and John Edwards. I was a pretty big fan of all three.

    Really makes one wonder what in the hell their goals really are.

    What? (none / 0) (#31)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:38:32 PM EST
    Have you ever had sex?

    Remember, gyrfalcon, (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:51:50 AM EST
    some people won't have sex standing up because it might be misconstrued as dancing.

    Yet another Breitbart moment... the same one that brought you an over the top fake pimp and a federal break in.

    Back before republicans had wide stances, there was a time when business could be attended to, yet no microscopes appeared to play 'gotcha.'

    A colleague started teaching in his digital media course that privacy is an illusion in social media, and it's true.

    But this is another reason for me to not get a twitter account. Me in a bathing suit could put the nation off its feed for weeks!


    Heh (none / 0) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:04:14 AM EST
    Good to know there's at least somebody else out there like me, who has no interest and no intention of getting into "social media."

    But the truly weird idea in the comment I was responding to is that anybody who has a sex life (of whatever kind) must not have any other kind of goals in life.

    The Breitbart element galls me more than almost anything else.  He was well along the road to being completely discredited, and Weiner just boosted him right back into mainstream credibility, scum that he is.


    Breitbart, even with his glory (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 10:10:57 AM EST
    day, will not be considered glorious.   His mainstream credibility will continue to be as a political dumpster diver. Occasionally, he will retrieve a media morsel, but even in so doing he will be covered with trash.  Admittedly, it will be difficult to know if that is trash covering him, or whether it is just him.  But,  we do have the smell to tell.

    True, but (none / 0) (#168)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 09, 2011 at 01:23:04 AM EST
    I certainly never said he would be considered "glorious." (Can't even imagine where that idea came from)

    I totally agree he smells.  I've seen several mainstream media interviews with him since this all happened, and frankly, it makes me feel a violent need to go take a shower.

    But... he now has credibility for his "reporting," and the MSM will take him seriously from now on.


    Well played G-Falc.... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:54:45 AM EST
    the only thing worse than the lying is the self-righteous indignation...which has something to do with why pols lie in these situations.

    Who among us hasn't done something embarrassing and/or out of character out of love or lust?  Lord knows I have...I think it's called being human.


    Casey Anthony Trial (none / 0) (#25)
    by 1980Ford on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:36:00 PM EST
    The media seems to think it is a witness in the court of public opinion, but the comments to that entertainment section story at the Orlando Sentinel reveal the dangers. There is no proof yet that Casey Anthony drugged anyone with chloroform or anything else. There is no proof that she suffocated her child with duct tape. Indeed, that tape could have been to keep the bugs out of the poor girl's mouth and nose. Anyone familiar with decomposition or CSI would know how ugly that is.

    The defense has never put on a defense and yet the media over and over again renders a guilty verdict. In the process, media viewers and readers surrender the dignity of the court of law because the First Amendment doesn't have to respect the other Bill of Rights. It really amounts to contempt of court and unless Casey Anthony is found guilty, even if she is innocent, there will be outrage.

    That is outrageous.

    Werner Herzog (none / 0) (#29)
    by lilburro on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:11:56 PM EST
    is a great filmmaker, and an interesting person to listen to, in the context of an actual hour long talk...but hearing him distill his filmmaking philosophy on the Colbert Report tonight was a little painful.  Oh well.

    This is supposedly quite common (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:11:11 AM EST
    among the younger set....

    No chance of getting AIDS....and they do everything via the phone now.

    Just none of my business as long (none / 0) (#35)
    by Amiss on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 12:39:14 AM EST
    as they tend to the public welfare.

    "What pols do in their private lives, absent legal or ethical issues, is not my business.

    What is my business is what they do about public policy."

    I think Weiner (none / 0) (#39)
    by Makarov on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 02:27:19 AM EST
    represents Democratic principals much better than the party's current leader.

    Weiner has not, yet, full embraced the economic policies of the Republican party (tax cuts, reducing regulation, cuts to social services and entitlements, etc.) unlike President Obama.

    I'm in Miami this morning, (none / 0) (#43)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:56:10 AM EST
    drove in last night. First time I've driven here since the 80's, usually flown in or through. When and where did all these casinos come from?

    I'm tempted to say that a burn notice was put out on me, but I lost my job in May, lol! I'm picking up my son at the airport this afternoon, and we're headed toward Disneyworld, Universal Studios, and the beach, unless he wants to go home and see his dog first.

    I do have a serious bone to pick with Miami. Why in heaven's name do the empanada joints close at 10 p.m.? I didn't get here 'till 11, but empanadas are some great late night hangover preventers. does everyone do south beach now?

    Casinos are everywhere (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:34:59 PM EST
    now, jeff.  And I'm sending good thoughts and positive energy your way so that you will find a good job very soon.  {{hugs}}

    Zorba, how about some energy (none / 0) (#126)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:43:34 PM EST
    between midnight and 6 central time as I face off at the tables?  I think I'm gonna shake and squeak and look at my chis every hand just to throw folks off, lol!

    But a real job wouldn't hurt either...


    I am sending (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:49:38 PM EST
    all the positive energy I can!  Some success at the casino would help, I'm sure.  Καλή τύχη!  (Good luck!)

    I hate to admit it, (5.00 / 0) (#137)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:07:37 PM EST
    but I know Opa, and that's about it. Classics in alabama when I grew up were King James' Exodus...

    I have to go to Miami (none / 0) (#55)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:58:01 AM EST
    sometime this year...keep us updated on the fun things you are doing!  

    Williams sisters to return (none / 0) (#68)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:11:14 AM EST
    to tennis this year.

    Serena Williams is returning to the tour after nearly a year off because of various health issues.

    Williams will begin her comeback at a grass-court tournament in Eastbourne, England next week. She then will defend her title at Wimbledon, which begins June 20.
    Williams' older sister Venus, a seven-time Grand Slam singles champion, also is returning to action after an extended injury absence. Venus Williams has been sidelined since injuring her hip during the Australian Open in January, but her agent said last month she was on track to play at Eastbourne and Wimbledon.link

    Not sure why but I though that one if not both of the sisters had retired. Nice to see them return and hope that they will be able to play up to preinjury levels.

    More at weinergate (none / 0) (#72)
    by Slado on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:37:03 AM EST
    NY Post

    Any time the words "porn star" get brought into the picture it's bad news.

    Still think he should stay?

    Well there... (none / 0) (#112)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:53:28 PM EST
    are lots of good reasons to demand a Weiner resignation, but they all predate the last two weeks.

    In fact, one could argue cyber-freaking with an adult entertainment professional is less damning than college girls.


    Do you suppose Rep. Weiner didn't (none / 0) (#154)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 06:32:11 PM EST
    know how Tiger Woods got into soooo much media attention.  The females do not seem to remain silent.  

    Also, isn't Rep. Weiner the fellow sd. he would never vote for health care reform absent single payer option?  


    AAAAAAAARGH FUBAR!!!!!! (none / 0) (#75)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:46:00 AM EST
    After all of the negotiations, checking what was needed, having the mom go to the embassy, checking what was needed, Fedexing forms back and forth...


    She has been out of the country 'too long,' even though she did what was required to keep her green card. We went from not speaking to amicable, and I helped keep track of important docs and dates.

    So... perhaps another two weeks, plus 380 MORE dollars to DHS ICE or whichever grifter is out there...Kdog, I'm done, man...

    An 8 year old, a grandma and a green card holder get stopped AFTER GOING THOUGH THE HOOPS.

    Fornicate this police state.

    Papers, please.

    I had to calm her down, my son down... (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 09:46:56 AM EST
    I promised him thousands of more Legos. It might work.

    Ouch... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 01:22:19 PM EST
    so sorry you are the latest victim of our beuracratic meat-grinding systems...the sh*t ain't right man, so ain't right.  Infuriatingly pointless.

    Dept. of Fatherland Insecurity is more like it...paper before people, the way of the modern world.

    Paging Capt. Casey...we may need to pull anchor and castoff soon, Matey Jeff sounds ready to crack.  


    Changing the subject k, (5.00 / 0) (#120)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:33:35 PM EST
    I have 14 crisp benjamins and 40 miles up the road is the Hard Rock Casino's poker room. Waiting on an email from brother Jim if he's played there, then gonna catch a 6 hour nap and show up at midnight.

    I also bought a florida lotto and a powerball. So all of y'all that weren't nice to me, when I hit tomorrow, y'all are out of luck.

    But BTD's gonna donate 100k to the Auburn Football Scholarship fund, and me and kdog will dissipate in atlaney tic city, Vegas, Uruguay, and maybe a few choice other places. Captain Casey will keep us straight. I hit tomorrow, it's 30 mil. I want to convert it to casino chips, baby, they don't lose value.


    Diversify some of it... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:43:49 PM EST
    add some canned goods and assorted unperishables to your post-Powerball portfolio.

    Good luck tonight, blow off some of that steam, and don't let the man put you on tilt...his day will come, I just gotta believe that.

    The Harder They Come


    Didn't read the linkie yet, but I'll get up at (none / 0) (#129)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:48:38 PM EST
    midnight, drive, take a xanax and a BP med (prescribed, no problem there) and just be chill stoneface. Maybe two xanax. I'm allowed.

    Just a Jimmy Cliff song... (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    a rebel song, an outlaw song...thought it might lift your spirits.

    Kdog, thanks for the link. (none / 0) (#132)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:51:44 PM EST
    I needed that, my brother.

    Capt. Casey always looks out (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:00:41 PM EST
    for her crew. I've never been to a casino. I don't even know how to play poker, although I am pretty sure I could learn.

    An around-the-world sea going tour of gambling hotspots has a certain appeal. Aren't there a number of places in Asia (Macau comes to mind) where casinos flourish?

    As to Homeland Security-- although when the DHS was formed we were told it was needed to keep us safe at home, the way things have played out make me thing the real mandate of DHS is to drive us crazy with ever more intrusive and convoluted rules and requirements for traveling into, around  and out of the country.


    Just sent your email addy to Jim (none / 0) (#125)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 03:40:54 PM EST
    He asked a while ago, but I forgot. Apologies, Jim and Kdog.

    Your capt. is ready to set sail (none / 0) (#143)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:50:52 PM EST
    at a moment's notice, kdog. Perhaps we should sail to South America and hoist Jeff's son and the mother and the grandma aboard.

    Granted, life aboard a pirate ship is not Disneyworld, but if not the same as Disneyworld, it must be at least as much fun, right?


    My retired Sergeant Major (none / 0) (#155)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 06:39:59 PM EST
    took sailing courses and can pilot a 75 foot 2 masted schooner.

    But you're still captain, Casey... we have someone licesned who wants to join the crew. And let me tell you, hes someone you want around in close quarter combat, whether in a bar or running away from a fight.  Discretion, is after all, the better part of valor, when outnumbered and outgunned!


    Is he proficient wielding a cutlass? (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:35:25 PM EST
    arrrrrrrr. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:46:36 PM EST
    To err is human, (none / 0) (#167)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 08, 2011 at 03:56:13 PM EST
    to arr is pirate.

    well you and "the big guy" (none / 0) (#142)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:47:43 PM EST
    love deregulation, Jim. I would think that you'd be thrilled that the rich and powerful can, in effect, deregulate the legal system.

    You can console yourself knowing that that special treatment's going to trickle down on you any day now.

    I love deregulation? (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 04:53:05 PM EST
    Of what??

    Got some proof??


    Thought not.


    uh.. (none / 0) (#151)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 05:28:01 PM EST
    where to begin?

    Maybe that post of yours from about a week on what the typical member of the Tea Party believes?


    Then start (2.00 / 1) (#159)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:49:32 PM EST
    Don't be shy.

    And speaking of deregulation, air fares are less now than they were 40 years ago.... But wait, wasn't that Carter?

    And I can call anywhere in the US and talk as long as I want for around $15.00/month... Have you ever heard of the Carterphone ruling???? 1996 Telcom bill??

    Was all deregulation good?? No. What I can't figure out is why Barney Frank opposed Bush's attempt to re-regulate Freddie and Fannie???

    The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

    Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.


    ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''


    Wow. How did that work out?

    Still wanna play??


    Interesting post by Adam B @ DK (none / 0) (#157)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 07:44:45 PM EST
    on NJ Supreme Court decision re NJ's press shield law.  Didn't apply to a a woman who posted to a on-line forum.  She was sued for defamation.  link

    another good reason for (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:49:53 PM EST
    commenters here to refrain from defamatory attacks on anyone