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    great story (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 03:22:08 PM EST
    Bank of America Gets Pad Locked After Homeowner Forecloses On It

    Collier County, Florida -- Have you heard the one about a homeowner foreclosing on a bank?

    It started five months ago when Bank of America filed foreclosure papers on the home of a couple, who didn't owe a dime on their home.

    The couple said they paid cash for the house.

    A Collier County Judge agreed and after the hearing, Bank of America was ordered, by the court to pay the legal fees of the homeowners', Maurenn Nyergers and her husband.

    After more than 5 months of the judge's ruling, the bank still hadn't paid the legal fees, and the homeowner's attorney did exactly what the bank tried to do to the homeowners. He seized the bank's assets.

    "They've ignored our calls, ignored our letters, legally this is the next step to get my clients compensated, " attorney Todd Allen told CBS.

    Sheriff's deputies, movers, and the Nyergers' attorney went to the bank and foreclosed on it. The attorney gave instructions to to remove desks, computers, copiers, filing cabinets and any cash in the teller's drawers.

    After about an hour of being locked out of the bank, the bank manager handed the attorney a check for the legal fees.


    eagerly awaiting BofAs foreclosure notice in my mail box

    I wish (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Amiss on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 12:55:38 PM EST
    they would padlock more banks and lending institutions, or just all of Wall Street.

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    Interesting religious attack on Ryan budget (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 07:46:07 AM EST
    and Republican adoration of Ayn Rand.

    Video ad

    Time article: Paul Ryan's Ayn Rand Problem

    Our never ending wars (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:27:39 AM EST
    In one of the deadliest attacks in months, five American soldiers were killed when rockets struck an American base in Baghdad today. The attacks come at a time when some U.S. officials are pushing for a prolonged U.S. presence in Iraq.

    The New York Times reports today that some members of President Obama's national security team are pushing for a steeper pullout of U.S. forces from Afghanistan over the summer. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and a number of military commanders are reportedly pushing back against these currents in the Obama administration. link



    "The One Size Fits All" (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:36:39 AM EST
    policy:  when all is well, we can't leave; when all is bad, we can't leave.   Or, simply: we can't leave.

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    Seems that the German E. Coli outbreak (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:26:53 PM EST
    is being traced to bean sprouts. No only do I not much like them, but I've known for years that they are among the most dangerous foods you can eat raw.

    I love most sprouts (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:34:10 PM EST
    I don't really care for bean sprouts though.  But all sprouts run the risk.  I love juiced wheatgrass too, but it can also run the same risk even though most lovers of it seem bent on denying that.

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    Meanwhile (none / 0) (#35)
    by Nemi on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 06:42:47 AM EST
    the cucumber farmers all over Europe now ask for compensation for their losses due to the - as it turned out needless - ban of their products.

    Spain's farm minister, Rosa Aguilar:

    "The situation is very serious for the Spanish fruit and vegetable sector with losses amounting to more than €200m per week," she said.
    [...]
    The EU should provide compensation "not only for Spanish producers but for all European producers affected by this situation," she added.


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    I am not a republican nor a democrat (none / 0) (#2)
    by loveed on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:27:11 PM EST
    I Am an american. I truly hope this next election people will vote for whom is best for the country instead of party choices.
     It's funny to me that the tea party is label as racist, but there fastest rising candidate is Cain.
      Due to harshness of the republican party,and the wimpiness of the democratic party. I choose neither party to represent me.
      So I'm probably a tea party member. There is no leader regardless of what the media says. Sarah palin,Michelle Beckman are not the leaders. There no fundraising letters sent, no list of membership,no calls from the party  because there is no party.
      We have the ability to support the candidate we like instead of party loyalties. I go to the web pages of candidates that interest me  read there position on issues that are important that are important to me.
      With the internet it is no reason for american to so uniformed.

    Herman (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 03:18:49 PM EST
    Cain is going nowhere I can tell you that. If the guy couldn't even get out of a GOP primary here in GA, he isn't going to be the nominee.

    And frankly he sounds a lot like Obama with "I'll get advisors". I'm tired of hearing that. It's what Bush II said and we got Iraq and it's what Obama said and we got this economic mess.

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    Well (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 06:31:55 PM EST
    it was NO secret that things were a mess and Obama should not have run for president if he didn't want to deal with the mess.

    People don't really care about Bush any longer. They don't want to hear that. All they know is Obama has been abysmal on the economy.

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    I don't (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 06:13:11 AM EST
    want to argue with you but noting that Obama has been horrible on the economy does not mean that the GOP is good. They are just as bad if not slightly worse. The problem I have is that Obama is a supply sider much like the GOP is. Whatever happens in '12 either way things aren't going to get better sorry to say.

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    The GOP is just as bad? (4.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Farmboy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:38:53 AM EST
    You are equating arsonists with the fire department. Or criminals with the police.

    The Dems are working to fix the economy. We can disagree on the degree of success in various areas but fixing it is the goal. The GOP is actively trying to make it worse. GOP politicians are not "just as bad or slightly worse," they are the problem.

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    The problem (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:43:13 AM EST
    is that they are using supply side and austerity to try to "fix" the economy. It's the same thing advocated by the GOP and it's a failure no matter who is advocating it. Just because the Dems are advocating supply side solutions doesn't make them okay.

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    As an example then, (none / 0) (#46)
    by Farmboy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:09:30 AM EST
    please tell me which of those approaches was the one used to bail out the auto industry? Supply side or austerity? Or which motivated the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act? Or the Small Business Jobs Act? Or the HIRE Act? Were they all "starve the beast" programs?

    And as a matter of official Dem policy, which of those approaches was the one supported by Peter Diamond? Yeah, I know he withdrew after the GOP blocked a confirmation vote three times. Why did the GOP block someone who advocates the "same thing" as they do?

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    The stimulus (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:38:06 AM EST
    was heavy on supply side ideology outside of the money for roads.

    If you don't call bailing out GMC supply side what do you call bailing out the banks which I would call supply side.

    The GOP blocks something simply because they are knee-jerk anti-Obama and that's all. Outside of screaming about abortion and gay marriage, the GOP really has not been consistent on ANY issue.

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    Loans are not supply side economics (none / 0) (#52)
    by Farmboy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 12:08:10 PM EST
    Lowering taxes and business deregulation are the main parts of supply side economic practice, as stated in many textbooks. The real intent of supply side economics is to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer by taking money out of the consumer economy.

    Any legislation that creates or saves jobs, such as the stimulus package or the auto industry loans, goes against supply side economics. The auto company and wall street loans were paid back, with 8.2% interest in the case of the banks.

    GOP politicians block appointments and legislation not only because they hate Obama and the Dems, but because they hate the working class and they love the rich. They have been consistent about this for decades.

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    So, how's the view from up there (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:55:57 AM EST
    on that high horse?  Do you think people are really listening to you, or just counting the hairs in your nose?

    Here's the thing, Donald: you get to make your decisions about who to vote for, or even if you want to vote at all, but you don't get to lecture others about the choices they make.  You don't get to use guilt and fear and shame to make people come to the same decision you've come to.  And coming on the heels of your I-made-good-decisions-and-am-a-millionaire-on-paper speech, this was about as offensive a rant as I've read in a while: Donald lectures the little people about how selfish they are.

    Gee, thanks.

    We all know how crappy the GOP field is; we're all paying attention - that's one reason many of us are here - because we ARE paying attention.  

    And we can see what's going on just fine, and what the future looks like, even without your condescending assistance - really, we can.  The Democrats aren't pulling us out of any hole - they're economically shoving more and more bodies in it so they can keep working to attain Master of the Universe status.  And because it's becoming obvious even to us common folk that there are no good answers to be found in either party - the destination is the same, it's now merely a matter of whether you want the local or the express, an aisle seat or a window - it's my belief that more people than ever will make the choice to vote for no one in 2012.  "None of the Above."  "Is This All Ya Got?"  "My Tax Dollars Are Paying for This?"

    And the clown parade is just starting - first they all have to get out of the clown car...

    I know the media will do its best to stir controversy and jazz people up with daily dose of Sarah "It's not about me" Palin and Michelle "yes, I really am that dumb" Bachmann, but it's going to fail.  People are so beaten down by economic conditions and so demoralized by the failure of the elite to throw much more than crumbs to the masses that they just are not going to vote.

    That's a choice, too, Donald - not voting.  

    Now, carry on - I'm sure it must be time for you to inspect your holdings.


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    Getting EXACTLY... (4.50 / 4) (#49)
    by sj on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 11:05:05 AM EST
    ... what who deserves?  That just annoys the cr@p out of me, Donald.  Do the voters who put Obama in office deserve what THEY got then?

    And what are these stark choices of which you speak?  Based on past behavior, that's pure wishful thinking on your part.  I would be happy to be wrong.  I would have Masses said if I were wrong, but if the difference between a Reagan Republican (Obama) and the current crop of GOP "contenders" is far from stark.  They just say outright what Reagan only implied.

    So you think that if my vote doesn't go to Obama it actively goes to the R?  I am really, really tired of that accusation.  Really, really pi$$ed to have to say one more time:  I will not, ever again, vote against my own interests no matter what letter they have after their name.

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    I will second your comment, sj; (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 12:04:31 PM EST
    that whole thing about how not voting for the Democrat is the same as voting for the Republican really frosts my cupcakes, too.  It's part of the Guilt, Fear and Shame program - and sadly, it works on a lot of people.

    As an aside, I wouldn't count on Donald to respond; his pattern is to dump these really nasty rants and run - something I don't have much respect for.


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    No it is not going to effect all of us (3.50 / 2) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:33:33 AM EST
    in the same way. It is not "about all of us, collectively" because millionaires survival will not be effected.

    As a member of the top 2%, you are not going to worry about whether or not members of your family are going to go to bed hungry or become homeless. No baby in you family will become malnourished because of cuts to WIC. No member of your family will freeze to death in the winter because of cuts to heating assistance. Your survival does not depend on receiving the current SS or Medicare benefits. You and yours will survive just fine if they are gutted completely. Others will not be as fortunate.

    Obama's economic policies are not only working just fine for millionaires and billionaires they have benefited by them.

    It is fine for you and others in the top 2% to talk about shared sacrifices when you will not have to sacrifice the things you need to survive.    

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    Good rant. The GOP field (none / 0) (#38)
    by brodie on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:37:37 AM EST
    is a scary bunch, and given the way their party is governing in places like WI, MI, OH and FL these days, to go with their embrace of the Ryan plan on destroying Medicare, Dems should be plenty worried should any of those creatures manage to slither into the WH.  We're all on notice now about what they intend to do with our rights, our ND social programs, even the ability to vote.

    One historical note:  I think the Great Depression could have been, if not over then considerably ameliorated had FDR not gone Hoover all of a sudden in 1937 and begun worrying about non-issues like inflation and deficits.  I think he'd whittled unemployment down to about 14% (from 25% upon taking office) and the trends were strongly in the right direction.

    I think now Obama is in his FDR 1937 deer in the headlights moment -- utterly flummoxed as to what to do.  It took Roosevelt nearly a year to pull his thoughts together and react properly.  Obama of course has that lesson to learn by, and he won't have a full year from this point -- perhaps 8-9 months at the most, and very negative perceptions about his performance may be hard to undo if he has too many more months like the last several, appearing to be passively and too-patiently waiting for natural market forces to do their work, while too many people are suffering.

    I agree about the stark choice we'll be facing in 2012 -- but in the meantime, we have to keep the pressure on O to wake up and start governing like a Dem.  

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    You're basically (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:45:59 AM EST
    advocating what the unions are doing: focus on state and local elections. Who the governor of a state may be is seeming to be more important than who is the president right now.

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    How do propose (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 01:55:45 PM EST
    to apply pressure?  What is your leverage?

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    electing the correct (none / 0) (#55)
    by CST on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:11:36 PM EST
    congresspeople helps.

    I'm reminded of Bernie Sanders getting his health center funding in the ACA this way.

    The president is subject to pressure from the left-leaning members of congress - if they choose to use it that way.

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    A good strategy always (none / 0) (#56)
    by sj on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:21:06 PM EST
    but that's a long term effort and goal, and it doesn't answer the question.

    but in the meantime, we have to keep the pressure on O to wake up and start governing like a Dem.

    I'm asking what leverage brodie (and all of us) have "in the meantime".

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    long term? (none / 0) (#57)
    by CST on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:26:40 PM EST
    congress people are elected every 2 years, senators every 6.  2012 is not that far away.

    In the meantime, make phone calls/write letters to the reps that are currently there.  Put pressure on the people already in office.

    Or even better, win the lottery and use all that money to buy ads :)

    In all seriousness, there are lots of organizations out there that lobby for various causes.  I know lobby is a bad word in a lot of circles, but it is possible to make it work for you as well by getting involved.

    I assume you know all this stuff, and I recognize it's frustrating, but that's our version of Democracy.

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    You are talking about congress (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by sj on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:34:06 PM EST
    That still doesn't answer my question.  

    but in the meantime, we have to keep the pressure on O to wake up and start governing like a Dem.

    My question is:  what leverage does one have on O.  Because if there's something I can do, I'd like to know what it is.  And maybe I'm missing some "pressure" that's being applied.  And that's actually being effective.  I'm still waiting to hear brodie's answer.

    And anyway, as Ga6thDem points out, everything you're talking about is still whistling in the wind if one's rep doesn't listen.

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    Missed your asking, but I'm not (none / 0) (#60)
    by brodie on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:54:58 PM EST
    sure my answer will satisfy you.  It's the obvious range of options one has in a democracy, acting in one's own capacity -- withdrawing funding that would have been sent as in previous campaigns, withdrawing funding other orgs that are funding O and his campaign, in addition to, ultimately, withdrawing one's vote or letting him know you are seriously considering same.  

    Acting with others to organize to speak on the economic issue in a way that might get his attention.  Letting your rep know your concerns -- all of them are different and it just won't do to so quickly dismiss them all with the same broad brush -- someone, you know, who probably has a far greater chance of actually being able to speak face to face with O as opposed to the average citizen.

    All sorts of ways, but obviously we're talking about reaching the president here, an official who famously has layers protecting him at all times.  Not easy, but I don't intend to give up speaking out and doing the other things which might work.  Tends to work better for me than just throwing a fit and giving up because the president hasn't answered your demands right away.

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    No, not satisfying (none / 0) (#61)
    by sj on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 05:46:11 PM EST
    I've been an active Democrat for years.  Now Pat Schroeder was responsive when she was Congresswoman.  Diana DeGette usually votes the right way.  usually.  But she isn't particularly interested in what constituents have to say.  She would come to district meetings and use one or two questions as a launching pad to talk about her position/issue.  Her timing was (is?) truly excellent.  She stops talking when we've run out of time.  I like her personally, and all.  And I'm glad that often, I'm in sync with her priorities.  But not particularly responsive.

    In fairness, I don't really know my representation in my new home.  I have been remiss, and I will rectify that.

    I don't know anyone, though, who responds by "throwing a fit and giving up", but nice use of a straw man.

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    Really (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:51:28 PM EST
    finding an organization is the best way for a lot of us because if you're like me, your rep doesn't listen to you anyway :(

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    Not complaining or asking (none / 0) (#45)
    by loveed on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 09:46:53 AM EST
    pity. I realize time are hard.And by the grace of god we're still making it.
     I like huntsman,been following him for a few yrs.
    I like his views on budget,immigration,civil unions(don't believe in same sex marriages),foreign policies, adopted 2children,best state for business,best ran state while he was governor,reduce taxes,health care plan, huntsman cancer institute, ect..
     I truly hope the next president actually have a plan.
     I could not see myself voting for palin or bachman, but I respect them as american.

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    My point (none / 0) (#32)
    by loveed on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:01:02 AM EST
    The tea party is vilified as a racist party,but they love Cain. I watched luntz focus group after the last debate.Cain won by a landslide.
     I don't think he is a viable canidate.But he has a outstanding autobiography. He has truly lived the american dream.

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    We are going to the new X-men (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:28:00 PM EST
    with Josh this afternoon.  Here's a link to CNN from today about squatting for the economy.  It is about how people who are squatting are stimulating the economy.  It is sad, but it is also true and the only stimulus happening out there, and it is about a brief positive as families are going down in flames falling into an abyss.

    I Love the x-men movies (none / 0) (#5)
    by loveed on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:39:01 PM EST
    Waiting for my spouse to have a day off so we can go. The last time I went to the movie it was to the previous installment (the last stand).
      As a child comic books helped me learn and to love reading.

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    It looks like it is going to be really good (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:49:11 PM EST
    I count myself super lucky too to be doing this parenting thing right now.  I wasn't into comic books or superheroes.  Hollywood has spruced things up so much though, I have caught myself enjoying Transformers, and I love Iron Man, the last Batman was incredible.  I have been caught watching Watchmen alone.

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    really looking (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:59:04 PM EST
    forward to super 8 next weekend.

    also next weekend I am supposed to do this:

    Circus Flora

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    I hope it isn't too scary (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 05:34:32 PM EST
    Josh wants to see it, but he gets scared pretty easy.  He got my scared child genes :)  X-men was good, Josh immediately pointed out that they screwed up.  Xavier became paralyzed at the end of this before he was bald and Josh says outloud when the credits came up that bald Xavier walked off the helicopter in X-men Origins.  Heck if I know, I can't remember all the details like that anymore unless it's the Borgias or the Sopranos or something I'm wild about.

    Going to see Bridesmaids tomorrow night with my daughter.  My daughter said that having us for parents was like having the parents from the recent movie 'Easy A' :).

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    We all loved the Hangover (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 07:07:18 PM EST
    I'm excited, because we are doing a girls only night and this will be our second one.  I was so close to my daughter when she was little, then she became really an impossible teenager, and then as it goes for many she is now this other person that I love and enjoy so much.  She has little ones though so any time the two of us have alone is very special.

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    Half hour of really good laughs (none / 0) (#48)
    by Dadler on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 10:39:31 AM EST
    Surrounded by too much unfunny "drama" that comedies still feel compelled to throw in.  If you're writing a romantic comedy, fine, you need some drama.  Bridesmaids, however, shoulda been MORE like The Hangover, I thought, in that the Hangover NEVER stopped being a comedy, kept its focus steely.  Bridesmaids, for me, while it had really hilarious comedy set pieces (food poisoning, the airplane drunk bit, the two gals vying to end the shower speech), just couldn't keep its own momentum going, and several times I tuned out during non-comedy stretches, just didn't care.  When that happens in movies to me, and it happens a lot, I just get pissy.

    That said, the big laughs in Bridesmaids are, to their credit, BIG.  

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    A website you have to see, or not see, to believe (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 01:50:49 PM EST
    Saw them live and up close (none / 0) (#29)
    by Amiss on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 12:37:23 AM EST
    when they were performing at the Luxor. I just loved it, but lots of TP'ing went on, just for a note.

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    Just another smarmy plaintiffs lawyer (none / 0) (#9)
    by Rojas on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 01:51:35 PM EST
    Intent to harm

    In August 2010, they won a $750,000 settlement from the county. In response to what happened in Winkler, the Texas Legislature is considering a bill, filed by Republican state Sen. Jane Nelson of Flower Mound, that would make it illegal to retaliate against a nurse for reporting anyone to a state licensing board.


    Whatever happened to DADT repeal? (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 01:55:14 PM EST
    Of course it has only been since December 2010 that it was enabled and there are not only those upcoming retirement parties for Gates and Mullen but also those humanitarian efforts in other countries.

    However, it would be nice if the necessary certifications could be completed before the Republican House amends its mischief to the defense authorization bill.  I would be willing to help right here and now:  (a) strike discrimination sections (b) insert non-discrimination sections, (c) refer violations of behavior to existing regulations, (d) get Gates' and Mullen's signatures on a piece of good bond paper, and (e) give Obama some signing pens and camera (or if preferred, he can skip the cameras).

    They just finished the implementation plan (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 05:38:32 PM EST
    Palin doubles down ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Yman on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 03:46:09 PM EST
    ... on her version of Paul Revere's ride.

    How do they get away with this stuff?

    Digby says (none / 0) (#14)
    by lilburro on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 04:44:28 PM EST
    that the Dems may be changing their 2012 message.  Politico via Hullabaloo:

    Democratic strategists say that means adopting an ungainly three-pronged political approach: Talking up economic gains since the darkest days of 2008 and 2009, highlighting a modest job-creation agenda blocked by Republicans and making the case that things would be far worse if the GOP were in charge.

    Above all, he must avoid even the slightest hint of triumphalism on the economy -- no missions have been accomplished -- to avoid angering Americans still struggling to find jobs.

    I honestly am not sure what modest jobs agenda is being referred to here.  ??  I am guessing much of America feels the same way...if you want to be seen as trying to pass a jobs bill you probably want to make sure it gets noticed in public debate as a JOBS BILL.

    Hey, I thought Paul (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by brodie on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 07:33:56 PM EST
    Revere was that pop-rock dude and his group from the '60s.

    And Concord is that place in NoCal where they make the grapes that goes into the juice and the wine.

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    Number (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 06:35:57 PM EST
    one really won't work because the unemployment numbers are so high.

    I'm with you on number two. What jobs plan?

    And number three is there old fall back about the GOP being worse. I would like to know when that has worked? I guess you could say it worked in 2004. I guess this is what Obama is planning: a rerun of Bush 2004 campaign hopefully less the gay bashing.

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    Here comes Personhood! (none / 0) (#15)
    by Madeline on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 04:52:39 PM EST
    "Personhood amendments serve as modifications to a state's constitution establishing a legal definition of what constitutes a person - granting those rights and protections.  If enacted, these initiatives will not only ban abortion in every instance but potentially prohibit women access to emergency contraception, birth control and in-vitro fertilization."

    States that have it on the agenda: North Dakota, Virginia, Iowa are most likely to pass or 'an immediate threat' on passing; Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and Montana have introduced and are in process.

    Supposedly, the 'pill' kills babies and you will be criminally charged.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 06:39:43 PM EST
    these people might be in for a shock. Women all across GA will come out of the woodwork to vote that down. If that is on the ballot, I will certainly show up to vote and I was thinking of sitting this one out.

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    Confusing weather situation there -- (none / 0) (#27)
    by brodie on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 07:13:21 PM EST
    I'd always thought Hawaii only had two seasons, sorta like L.A., in their case sunny/no rain, and rain. Did not associate the islands with snow.  Especially in June.  Volcanic activity yes, and rain.  But not snow.

    But I looked up Mauna Kea being the good student that I am, and apparently they do get snow there, given the impressive elevation, which surprised me.  In fact, measured from the base of the ocean where the mtn starts, it would be taller than Mt Everest, which surprised me even more.  

    The stuff you learn with computers.

    Oh, and as if the news about snow in Hawaii wasn't troubling enough in this climate change apocalyptic era of GOP stupidity and out of control hypernationalism, it turns out -- for some of you late-night radio talk show fans -- that Mauna Kea is at 19.5º N lat.  A key position for those who adhere to that interesting theory about planetary hyper-dimensional physics.

    Yes, as a matter of fact, with some of the latest bizarre and sobering weather from various US locales, I am starting to get a little nervous about what this might augur for 2012.  I don't mean the election --  which is nerve-wracking enough -- I mean that other 2012 thing ...  

    Whodda thunk a place like (none / 0) (#39)
    by brodie on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:54:05 AM EST
    Hawaii was so diverse that way.  I would have figgered CA would have been one of those 3 places.

    But then again in the hyperdimensional model I enjoy considering, there's the increased potential for all sorts of unusual and varied geological and meteorological activity being located at 19.5º latitude.  

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