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Posted on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17:27 AM EST
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Quentin Tarantino. Here is my favorite reaction:

Am I the only one who takes more offense at the blurted phrase "Oh my God" (by Joe Scarborough) than the use of the word "dick" to explain the President's behavior? I think insulting the President is rough political discourse, but saying "Oh my God" is taking the Lord's name in vain.

What a world.

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    While many are busy getting all (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:24:18 AM EST
    offended by the comment - and making sure that it is widely publicized - they are missing the point that the ultimate goal of provocateurs is to get everyone talking about what they've said.  

    In this case Halperin and Scarborough have achieved their goal:

    People are now going to debate whether or not Obama was a dick - which is extremely helpful to the Republicans who would rather we were distracted from discussing the fact that they are attempting to destroy this country in order to win back power.

    I see the outrage machine is all oiled up (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:04:53 AM EST
    and in fine working order!

    Which (none / 0) (#18)
    by Warren Terrer on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:16:03 AM EST
    outrage machine? Theirs or ours?

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    Both (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:09:44 PM EST
    should have made it plural.

    There are so many good reasons to deny Halperin the prominence of MSM outlets - this seems like a stupid reason to suspend him.

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    D*ck is as tame... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:29:07 AM EST
    as insults get...it's closest synonym is probably jerk.  Ya can call the president a jerk on tv, can't ya?  Then again I was never one for respecting offices that have no respect for me.

    If this sets off the alarm, we're all a buncha hopeless d*cks.

    Reservoir Dogs...great scene.  Mr. Pink is a major-league d*ck with his warped tipping views.

    It is tame (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:35:41 AM EST
    but he did get on TV in front of all of America now, since it is viral, and he called our President, his President, a d*ck. This was always going to end up this way. And I wish that my President really was a d*ck to someone other than me and the people in my economic class and lower.

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    But our president is a d*ck... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:42:09 AM EST
    as you correctly noted, sh*t every president I've ever lived under is/was a d*ck.  Maybe if we mentioned it more often, presidents would ease up on the d*ckishness.

     

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    I'm wondering if (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:15:50 PM EST
    the shoe was on the other foot and we were back in the first Bush Jr admin, whether a Dem-friendly commentator on NBC would have been allowed to get away with even calling Shrub a "jerk".  Close question, imo.  Possibly a suspension or even firing offense at one point in those years.  

    Calling him the "d" word almost certainly would have resulted in a long suspension or firing in the 2001-4 period for sure.

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    You're probably right... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:38:12 PM EST
    Right-wingers would have flooded the complaint lines.

    If I was the producer, I'd have directed the on-air people not to understate the extent of G-Dub's d*uchebaggery so, it is unprofessional:)

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    The RW wouldn't even have needed (none / 0) (#81)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:24:58 PM EST
    to complain, though instinctively their well-oiled propaganda and anti-SCLM machines would have instantly fired up.  Back then, the news orgs had people in key management positions who would have acted unilaterally and with gusto to punish the liberal offender.  That's how bad it was in terms of speech being chilled.

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    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:47:19 PM EST
    that chilled speech was instrumental in bringing us the war crime of Iraq...that and GE stood to make some cashish off the bloody deal.

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    And one of them was named Mark Halperin (none / 0) (#96)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:53:57 PM EST


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    Hilarious (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by TomStewart on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:30:30 PM EST
    Suspended for saying 'dick', not for being a clueless hack and spouter of beltway 'wisdom'.

    What a world indeed.

    In other MSNBC hilarity and misconduct (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:36:30 PM EST
    it seems Chris Hansen, the grave-voiced host of To Catch a Predator - where the producers troll for guys looking for underage girls and catch them on hidden cameras - was snagged stepping out with a blonde not his wife.  

    On hidden camera video.

    To his credit, I guess you'd call it, the blonde was over 18.

    Next thing you know, they'll be hiring back Olbermann or something.

    Obama's not a d*ck ... (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:08:39 PM EST
    because a d*ck usually comes with a pair of balls.

    Hillary offered. (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:13:03 PM EST


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    I think Carville offered (none / 0) (#133)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:58:08 PM EST
    on her behalf. <snort>

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    MY farorite reaction (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:17:07 PM EST
    Alex Pareene at Salon:

    It seems wrong, to me, that in a conversation involving Joe Scarborough and Mark Halperin, a third party was somehow called a "d*ck," but that is what happened on "Morning Joe" today,


    Yeah Alex (none / 0) (#74)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:49:35 PM EST
    best comment yet.

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    Stephen Colbert (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:36:43 PM EST
    succeeded today at forming his own PAC

    "There will be others who say, `Stephen Colbert, what will you do with the unrestricted Super-PAC money?' " Mr. Colbert told reporters after the F.E.C. hearing. "To which I say, I don't know. Give it to me and let's find out."

    This will be good (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 04:18:43 PM EST


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    Oh, yeah (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 05:26:11 PM EST
    after all the damage is done, he's going to run away from his part in all this. He should be mandated to stay until the end.

    Are we winning or weaning? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:20:24 AM EST
    What year is this?  HOW long ago did Freud die?

    I use the asterisk (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:21:06 AM EST
    in case of filters.

    Richard Filters? (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:23:10 AM EST
    I think I went to college with him?

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    Don't call me shrly (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:24:32 AM EST


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    The white zone is for loading and unloading (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:25:39 AM EST
    only.

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    "Hey Joey, do you like (none / 0) (#146)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 07:27:12 PM EST
    Gladiator movies?"

    ;)

    Jackson

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    Maybe your best headline yet, BTD; (none / 0) (#6)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:25:30 AM EST
    but hope Jerlayn won't have a cow over the filtering/site-blocking issues it might cause.

    And, in other maybe-hell-just-froze-over news, my law firm just advised that really casual dress is permitted for tomorrow - flip flops included!

    Never mind - I see you asterisked! (none / 0) (#8)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:26:40 AM EST
    Carry on.

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    I thought BTD was trying to start a game (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Peter G on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:35:37 AM EST
    of "Duck, Duck, Goose."  Really, I did.

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    You're it (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:37:13 AM EST


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    Don't you mean? (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by BTAL on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:03:34 AM EST
    "You're *t"

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    After the Anthony Weiner (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:39:43 AM EST
    media blitz, it seems odd for MSNBC to suspend Halperin for use of the word.  While not the government clamping down on insults to the president (as is happening in some dictatorships), it is too close for my comfort.

    Nah, the difference (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:02:16 AM EST
    is merely reporting about a pol's scandal that prominently featured that part of his anatomy by his own reckless and obsessed doing -- responsible reporting would have necessarily included such references -- and an in-house paid political analyst irresponsibly using a needlessly vulgar term to attack the president.

    It's not the Weiner but the Shuster rule the suits at Msnbc were presumably adhering to.  (and of the two offenses, Halperin's gratuitous name-calling was clearly the more inappropriate)

    And so I concur with their decision to suspend Halperin indefinitely.

    I also like the way this little cable scandal helps expose the built-in GOP bias of people like Halperin, who now reveals himself as being very uncomfortable with the notion of the Dem president using ridicule to go after Republican leaders.

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    Not my point, (none / 0) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:26:11 AM EST
    the word used is a pejorative in common parlance--even on cable.  The stories covering Anthony Weiner demonstrated this with use of anatomical nicknames, and not, bleeping, redacting or, even, referring only to anatomically correct language.  Even Comedy Central annoyingly bleeps certain words during late night shows, but does not bleep this word.   So, my worry is not for nasty word usage in this case, and, certainly, not for poor Halperin, but for the possible chilling effect on criticism of public officials, particularly the president, with anything other than with the Queen's English as she uses it in public.  And, I have no problem with the president using ridicule (if that is what it was for the most deserving Republicans), but I also think ridicule is a good political tactic for citizens, or commentators,  to use in response to politician's actions.

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    I just don't see the great concern (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:52:38 AM EST
    over chilling effect or some slippery slope situation.  Seems to me a news org like NBC can still require its paid broadcasters and analysts to use use either appropriate or at least non-vulgar words, and can especially insist on it when the offending word used was a mere gratuitous insult.  Still more so since -- from what I understand -- Uncle Joe Scarborough has sought to hold himself and his show above the usual nasty partisan political fray by calling on everyone to be civil.  Use of such a vulgar term to name call the president seems like a line has clearly been crossed.

    The context matters.  In the Weiner story, since the pol concerned was the one who inserted his anatomy into the story, the language permitted to describe the events could understandably have included the more vernacular "d" word -- or at least since the anatomy was a central issue of the story it wouldn't have been entirely out of place.  But pulling that word out of nowhere for no good reason to attack the president so crudely --the president traditionally being accorded a little more respect from the TradMed in this country -- was out of bounds given the rules established.

    He could probably easily have gotten away with calling O a "jerk" or possibly "idiot".  But vulgar name-calling by referencing various parts of the anatomy -- the "d" word, the "a" word -- have usually been considered off limits.

    And I doubt if all the other embedded GOP friendly types at NBC and their various outlets will recoil in horror over Halperin and refrain from criticizing Obama.  It's just a few words they need to avoid is the lesson.

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    More on the "chilling effect" (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:07:00 PM EST
    argument:  We should fight it over things that matter, basic fundamental and legitimate arguments that get squelched in the media not from use of vulgarisms -- always a dicey matter in MSM -- but from appropriate and relevant expressions of opinion.

    Such as the chilling effect we all recall (or should) in the immediate aftermath of 9.11 when liberals and anti-Bush folks were put on the defensive about critizing the president.  Recall Ari Fleischer's admonition from the press sec'ys podium that people should "watch what they say, watch what they do."

    Or the way Msnbc banned Phil Donahue -- fired him -- for being a strong antiwar voice during Iraq.

    Or the way the NYT refused to permit columnist Paul Krugman to use the word "liar" (iirc) in reference to Bush Jr (as I dimly recall some long ago media controversy).

    Those were clear instances of the corp suits who own much of our press putting an obvious chill on robust public discussion of public figures and issues.  Here, by contrast, we just have a line drawn at using vulgarisms inappropriate for the context.  Not that bigga deal, imo.

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    Well said, brodie. (none / 0) (#140)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 05:08:38 PM EST
    And, as for the suspension of one Halperin: It couldn't happen to a more deserving hack...and the funniest part is watching him do it to himself.

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    Maybe this is what he (none / 0) (#28)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:38:38 AM EST
    should have said: "In my considered opinion, it became exceedingly apparent to me yesterday, to my extreme and utmost sorrow, that the president was {coughs delicately}....... a Richard."

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    Or how about (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Warren Terrer on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:40:58 AM EST
    'What a cheney!'

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    That should get Halperin (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:46:02 AM EST
    suspended indefinitely plus.

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    Althouse IS really funny (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46:44 AM EST
    She guesses that this Halpern's off camera speaking style :)? And that's okay....boys being boys and all that. But with Althouse, she is as crazy about using the word God casually as some people are about drawing pictures of Mohammad.

    I guess it's all in the capitalization (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:35:41 AM EST
    perhaps we need more OMg

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    She is a strict commandmentist. (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:03:27 AM EST


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    How does she square that Shalt Not Kill thing (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:09:43 AM EST
    and all these wars? I don't read her unless someone links to her. Is she anti-war.

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    I have no idea. Didn't even read all the (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:24:56 AM EST
    link.  

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    If the U.S. trained physcians the same as lawyers (none / 0) (#22)
    by rhbrandon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:29:28 AM EST
    we'd have the life-expectancy of sub-Saharan Africa.

    Althouse is Exhibit A as to why.

    How many Army doctors have you seen? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:33:03 AM EST
    joke....sort of

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    Something on my mind too (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:31:46 AM EST
    We live in a small town, we don't really have people living on the streets to the degree that larger cities have. But in the space of a week two people locally have walked up to me and asked me whatever money I could spare, and one person in Panama City. I have of course been asked many times in the past but I can't say that I've experienced it more than once yearly and it was always when we were traveling and in a larger city in a downtown area. Seems strange to have experienced it three times now within a week. Is it part of our economic situation? I don't know

    It may indicate that the desperate are now too (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by esmense on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:53:35 AM EST
    desperate to even leave town. Or that they no longer expect the city will be an improvement. When I manned the phones for Seattle's crisis center in the late 80s the calls were almost entirely from homeless people in desperate need of shelter for the night (my shift was Saturday morning). They all came from somewhere else, usually somewhere rural. Most often they had just landed in town, were out of money, and, in more cases than I would ever have imagine before volunteering, were accompanied by children. Desperate men seeking work and food for their children. Abused women seeking safety for themselves and their children. Usually they had already lost the beat up car that had got them this far, if they had ever had one. And too often the best I could do for them was advised them of the hospital lobbies they could hand out in for awhile and, when they were chased out of there, the best bridges to camp under.

    People in small towns and rural America often think they don't have the problems of the cities -- they fail to acknowledge that they commonly just send their problems to the cities.

    In Seattle we get the desperate, ill-prepared but hopeful from all over the world -- from Asia by ship, from the mountain West by train, from the South and Southwest by Greyhound and/or by failing, gas-guzzling automobile.

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    The measly unemployment (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:46:56 PM EST
    benefits have run out for the longest unemployed.  I don't believe we've ever had so many people unemployed for so long, certainly since the Depression.

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    Plenty of outstretched coffee cups... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:36:56 AM EST
    in Manhattan last night...there always are, but it does seem there is an uptick.

    Just be careful distributing alms...cops think you're dealing drugs when you're charitable.  Watch your back.

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    I bought a guy a tank of gas (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:45:37 AM EST
    The first one. So no money changed hands I just handed him my nozzle. He only asked for five dollars of gas when I was filling up, but he wasn't driving some gas hog so I sort of appreciated that. It was an older compact. He was very Southern. When he thanked me he said that I was a fine Christian woman, I told him that I was not :) I told him that I was Buddhist and that I was not impressed with Christians lately, they seem to be mostly just a bunch of self righteous a-holes. Since I was buying the gas I felt like I had the right to some very free expression I guess. He told me he would repay me someday, and I told him not to worry about it in particular....someone else would.

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    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:01:40 PM EST
    re: your reaction "Good Christian woman."  That's great.  I will have to remember that...here in NC you get those sorts of annoying compliments too.  And the people who dole them out are the exact same people who if you said something like "Praise Allah" to them while thanking them they would be sure to say something.


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    So instead of just accepting that he (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by me only on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:45:31 PM EST
    was trying to compliment you, you did what?

    Acted like a self righteous a...

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    heh (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:50:08 PM EST
    Believe it or not, not everyone thinks being called Christian is a compliment.

    If you were a boy, and someone said you were a "very pretty girl" - would you consider that a compliment?

    I don't think she was rude or offensive about it.  She just took her "teachable moment".

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    I would have given the (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:54:24 PM EST
    'you don't have to be Christian to do what's right/good' teachable moment :)

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    yea (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    I don't think people realize how much that grates.

    Especially as a lot of non-Christians feel just as strongly about their "religion" as Christians do.  This isn't a decision we came to passively.  It comes with some strong opinions attached.

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    It really grates on me (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:19:29 PM EST
    These people all claim to be such Christians down here, but their whole culture is almost all shame based. And they have scrapped most of what Jesus taught whenever it isn't mean enough or hurtful enough for them and they throw down something really crazy out of the Old Testament instead. They scour the Bible looking for any reason to justify being punitive and I'm sick of it.

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    I drive by this small church (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:40:52 PM EST
    about once every two weeks and their signboard is always totally over the top.  Their most recent message to the universe was something like

    AFTER ALL GOD HAS DONE
    FOR YOU IF YOU
    DO NOT BELIEVE
    YOU DESERVE TO GO TO HELL.

    Um, okay???

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    Some of them (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:15:41 PM EST
    are cute though like 7 days without church makes one weak.

    I saw one one a church that said we're about God not politics.

    But there are those that scream at you and are annoying like the one that you drive past.

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    These (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:13:07 PM EST
    people down here are all about Angry Jesus and Punitive God which is only a small part of the bible and even less of the New Testament. These fundamentalist churches use fear to keep everybody in line.

    The irony is that when I have done things like Hands on Atlanta where all the churches in the area volunteer, I have never seen a Southern Baptist church nor an big box evangelical church come to help. It's usually mainstream Christian Churches and African American Churches that are represented.

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    I think I'm around too many magical (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:58:00 PM EST
    thinking evangelical churches in this area. They seem to have taken over the Christian discourse and redefined at-large what being a Christian means.

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    And it really turns me off when (none / 0) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:48:55 PM EST
    people around me talk about how they can't wait for the rapture too. Before the last rapture fail, someone that works with my husband and has children Josh's age was talking about how happy he was that the rapture is just around the corner. If it wasn't happening in May it was going to happen soon. You could tell because look at the state of the world. My husband asked him if he realized he was wishing his children's lives away. He insisted they will have a better life in heaven. How does he know? Has he ever been to heaven? Is there a heaven? Is he certain? Talk about refusing to grow up emotionally beyond the age of 12 and be responsible adults. Headline: Militarytracy says that nobody is coming for us. It was always expected of us to learn to live together and in harmony if possible with our environment and nobody is going to save us from that task.....ever.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 05:24:06 PM EST
    if it makes you feel better, the priest at church on   the following Sunday made a joke in her sermon about the rapture and everybody in the church laughed

    So while we might be outshouted by the fundamentalists, there are plenty of us who are laughing about that nonsense.

    And to the person you know, I would want to ask is his life so miserable here in earth that that's all he thinks about? Kind of sad in my book that he'd be excited about being raptured. There's a whole cult around those Left Behind books and I guess he's one of them.

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    Mahatma Gandhi (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:33:08 PM EST
    on Christianity:  "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    (Another favorite of mine, when he was asked what he thought about Western Civilization:  "What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea.")

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    Smart cat... (5.00 / 0) (#100)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:00:10 PM EST
    that Ghandi...if Jesus ever comes again his arse will be jailed, most likey by "good christians", faster than you can say two Hail Marys.

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    I like Christ too (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:00:47 PM EST
    If I had him in life in the flesh I imagine he'd be the most invited person to any and all Liberal parties and get togethers. He would be the most sought after friend.

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    Sure, the liberals would love him (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:22:08 PM EST
    The so-called "Christian" conservative wing-nuts would call him a hippie socialist and would be lining up to crucify him again.

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    That would totally depend (none / 0) (#114)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:24:11 PM EST
    on what state he chose to settle in.

    More likely deported.

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    Somehow, I don't think (none / 0) (#124)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:44:31 PM EST
    that the Israelis would be too happy to see him deported back to the West Bank (the current location of Bayt Lahm, or Bethlehem), stirring up the locals. I'm not so sure that the Palestinian Muslims in the West Bank would be entirely happy about it, either.  And I don't think that Israel would want him in Nazrat (Nazareth), either.   ;-)

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    Really, you think as a non-Christian (none / 0) (#102)
    by me only on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:01:17 PM EST
    I couldn't believe that being called a good Christian might not be received as a compliment?  This isn't her family or a neighbor or a friend.  This was obviously someone in need of a little help just trying to say something nice.

    I would be willing to bet her teachable moment was a complete fail.  If it really went down exactly like she said, he probably thinks all Buddists are just self righteous a@@es.

    In case you can't distinguish the difference, the point that she began to complain about Christians really marks the point at which she stopped teaching and starting playing the part...

    The teachable moment was

    "Well, thank you for the sentiment, but I am a Buddhist and we believe in helping those in need."

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    believe it (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:11:26 PM EST
    is NOT a compliment.  And I've never seen it received as such by a non-Christian.  It's incredibly condescending.

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    yeaaah (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:14:25 PM EST
    he probably thinks all Buddists are just self righteous a@@es.

    ...because that's a totally normal, defensible reaction to one person.

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    at best (none / 0) (#110)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:15:36 PM EST
    it is something to be tolerated.

    But how would it possibly be a compliment to someone who has made an active choice not to be the thing that someone is calling them?

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    And, I careful, I think BTD (none / 0) (#103)
    by me only on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:02:39 PM EST
    has a trademark claim on "heh" as a subject line.

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    Actually, assuming everyone around you (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:08:13 PM EST
    is a Christian makes you a self righteous a...

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    It was pretty presumptive of him (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:10:47 PM EST
    that all kindness and giving flows from Christianity. It was sort of insulting to me that he would just assume I was a Christian because I displaying human decency and kindness.

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    I find it insulting as H*ll. (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:19:49 PM EST
    It's also an insult to my parents, who raised me.

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    Anybody else here old enough to (none / 0) (#128)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:51:06 PM EST
    remember the compliment, "That's darn white of you"?

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    They still say it (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 04:00:25 PM EST
    "that's mighty white of you."  I think they're the same expression.  It drives me crazy because I've only heard it said by people trying to be if I may use the word du jour, d!cks.  

    "Used to describe someone who thinks they've done a great deed, charitable action or sacrifice, but in reality they've done very little to help the human condition."

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    Oh, yeah (none / 0) (#136)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 04:23:47 PM EST
    I'm certainly old enough.  I never thought that it was a compliment- I always thought that it was incredibly racist and obnoxious.

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    In my particular part of the jacked up (none / 0) (#151)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 02:01:26 PM EST
    world that I hail from, it was shortened to "Mighty White of You". And if someone did something offensive to you some people called it being "Brown of You". The world is a vampire.

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    And how about the oldie but goodie (none / 0) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 02:02:54 PM EST
    "Free, white, and 21"

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    And I'm not impressed with the Christians (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:13:47 PM EST
    of my nation right now. NOT AT ALL, NOT ONE LITTLE BIT.

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    Oh, puhleaz. (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:46:53 PM EST


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    Pot meet Kettle . . . . (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:52:20 PM EST


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    So your stuck on stupid today (none / 0) (#94)
    by me only on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:53:33 PM EST
    I never once claimed to be anything other than an a$$hole.  Matter of fact, I take great pride in it.

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    Donald, I'd give you (none / 0) (#125)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:46:38 PM EST
    a "10" for that, if I could.   ;-)

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    Glad you make that claim up front (none / 0) (#150)
    by sj on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 09:48:09 AM EST
    Saves a lot of time.

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    Lots of askers in downtown San Francisco. (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41:35 AM EST
    But that isn't unusual.

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    Note to uber-broked*cks... (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:45:59 AM EST
    reduced to panhandling...if ya got any skill at all, playing an instrument, singing, miming, juggling, comedy, impressions, f*ckin' anything...it goes a long way.  Ya don't even have to be any good.

    I mean I'll always give if I got it, for selfish reasons (feels good)...but when ya throw in a little effort to entertain I bypass the change and go for the paper.

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    I thought this was clever. A young boy--maybe (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:51:13 AM EST
    q0 yrs. old--is playing the trumpet near the cable car turnaround.  He's pretty good, getting his practice in, and has gathered a substantial crowd.  Get out there kid, we need the money!

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    Thats how ya do it... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:00:58 PM EST
    unfortunately the law in some localities is not busker friendly for reasons I will never understand.  I think ya technically need a permit in NYC, if allowed at all, but I have noticed more music in the subway and parks...probably civil disobedience busking.

    My take...it is an inalienable human right to make music in public places...same as speaking.  

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    I chatted up a violinist in Central Park (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:33:23 PM EST
    near the promenade where all the statues are lined up.  She sd. she gave up auditioning--never got the jobs.  She was a pretty good violinist.  Yes, I gave her 5 bucks.

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    there are some phenomenal (none / 0) (#54)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:42:47 PM EST
    street musicians in NY. Send us your broke and unemployed stars!  I will give them 6 bucks :)

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    Tough tough business... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:35:56 PM EST
    to make a steady living in...the upmost respect for those that never give up the dream.

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    Or (none / 0) (#29)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:40:39 AM EST
    they are just taking the lead of the guy in New York that has decided to try and make a million dollars by asking everyone on the streets for one dollar and keeping tabs of his results online.

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    One made some good bank on me then (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:51:07 AM EST


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    Disappointing this headline hasn't made (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:42:15 AM EST
    Blog Ads.  

    Correction. It's there. Look quick! (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:44:02 AM EST


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    He should have called him (none / 0) (#46)
    by itscookin on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:10:02 PM EST
    a wh0re. Slap on the wrist is all you get for that as long as you don't criticize his hair, too.

    Wall St's Whore.... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:56:23 PM EST
    Our pimp...for the sake of accuracy:)

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    I was up early and (none / 0) (#50)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:34:02 PM EST
    decided to tune in a little Morning Joe today, in the last hour, and thought the story du jour coming out of that program would be the Joe vs Mika near-meltdown over Sarah Palin.  Unfortunately, Mika backed down and this seemed to satisfy Uncle Joe -- Mika sure is good at backing down and remembering whose show it is.

    They had some GOP-friendly guest on peddling a new book about Palin, and eventually someone, maybe Joe himself, wondered aloud why Palin always seems to get so much media attention.  Mika then noted that Paris Hilton gets the same undue media interest.  Joe took annoyed offense to the far more substantive Sarah -- once the GOP pick for VP -- being equated to someone he considers an unserious celeb lightweight.  Mika, annoyed that Joe was objecting, then defensively suggested she really wasn't equating the two.

    I thought she was actually.  But for her own future career prospects at MoJoe, she probably decided it was better to back down.

    Mika's right (none / 0) (#130)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:53:27 PM EST
    SP is to politicians as Paris Hilton is to real celebrities.

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    I was up early and (none / 0) (#51)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:34:02 PM EST
    decided to tune in a little Morning Joe today, in the last hour, and thought the story du jour coming out of that program would be the Joe vs Mika near-meltdown over Sarah Palin.  Unfortunately, Mika backed down and this seemed to satisfy Uncle Joe -- Mika sure is good at backing down and remembering whose show it is.

    They had some GOP-friendly guest on peddling a new book about Palin, and eventually someone, maybe Joe himself, wondered aloud why Palin always seems to get so much media attention.  Mika then noted that Paris Hilton gets the same undue media interest.  Joe took annoyed offense to the far more substantive Sarah -- once the GOP pick for VP -- being equated to someone he considers an unserious celeb lightweight.  Mika, annoyed that Joe was objecting, then defensively suggested she really wasn't equating the two.

    I thought she was actually.  But for her own future career prospects at MoJoe, she probably decided it was better to back down.

    Whoa, wait a minute... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Addison on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:37:42 PM EST
    Ann Althouse wasn't kidding? I read her comment and laughed at the joke. But it was unintentional? She actually cares about the "dick" comment or the "oh my God" one? And cares enough to prioritize them? Who are these people? How have they remained employed? Is it true that stupidity is a qualification for their jobs?

    56 comments so far. And not one (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 12:49:48 PM EST
    opining it is racist to call the Pres. a d*ck.  Amazing.

    Not amazing (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:28:13 PM EST
    because most times when people call something racist it is because it is racist.

    When it is not, they tend not to call it that.

    Anyway, it's not like the guy implied that hard-working Americans were white Americans or anything.

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    And they're off... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:43:21 PM EST
    in the 109th running of the 2008 Primary Stakes...'Accusations of Racism' out the gate well, 'Accusations of Sexism' out to challenge for the early lead, and they're neck and neck at the 1st pole in a blazing 22 flat.  

    'Rome is Burning' was bumped at gate and bringing up the rear with 'Can You Spare a Dime'.

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    I am going with the always effective (none / 0) (#99)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:58:54 PM EST
    "They started it" defense.  Admittedly, I am physically and mentally incapable of letting it slide.

    I don't even like to wear pumas anymore and those were my favorite kicks. They just ruined it for me.

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    Didn't mean to pick on you bro... (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:03:15 PM EST
    just some comic relief for the community.

    You woulda been proud of me in '08 I think, a staunch defender of Jay-Z's rhymes I was.  "99 Problems"...best rap about the 4th amendment of all time!

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    Nah I understand (none / 0) (#112)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:18:45 PM EST
    This community needs it at times.

    "Child I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit/ Enough that you won't illegally search my sh*t/"Well we'll see how smart you are when the canine comes"/I got 99 problems, but a b*tch ain't one"

    Classic.

    I tried to explain it to the folks upset but they weren't feeling the flow.

    by the way, if you don't have the Decoded book by Jay-Z, you should go to Amazon and rectify that immediately.

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    Duly noted.... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:28:09 PM EST
    I've heard good things but haven't read it...I can't even see the bottom of my "must read" list, lookin' like Santa's naughty list.

    So I...pull over to the side of the road
    I heard "Son do you know why I'm stoppin' you for?"
    Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hats real low?
    Do I look like a mind reader sir, I don't know
    Am I under arrest or should I guess some mo'?
    "Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo' "
    "License and registration and step out of the car"
    "Are you carryin' a weapon on you I know a lot of you are"
    I ain't steppin out of sh*t all my paper's legit
    "Well, do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
    Well my glove compartment is locked so are the trunk in the back
    And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrant for that

    He really dropped the science on that one...

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    I remember (none / 0) (#120)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:32:10 PM EST
    I once tried going down the "ladies is p*mps too, go-on brush your shoulders off" path

    That one didn't work too well either...

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    It's hard work... (none / 0) (#122)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:36:19 PM EST
    trying to reason when people's blood is hot.

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    ABG's respect for CST (none / 0) (#132)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:56:05 PM EST
    +150

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    My first thought of course (none / 0) (#111)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:18:06 PM EST
    was similar to yours. Was ready to slip in a comment such as OMg, d*ck isn't racist, but rather a form of misandry. Then thought, why open such a can of worms.

    I like your racehorse analogy.  Although I believe in light of today's panhandler, and your track bias, bringing up the rear should be "Canyouspareafiver" (thereby abiding by the 18 space Thoroughbred limit and also accounting for inflation)

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    I knew I liked you CG... (none / 0) (#121)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:32:37 PM EST
    anybody whose wealth of knowledge includes the thoroughbred racehorse name regulations is aces in my book.

    I love it when I'm reading the form and an owner snuck something naughty or clever passed the censors.

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    "Implied" - heh (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:12:52 PM EST
    Dont'cha just love what people can read into a simple response when they're looking for it?

    Just about anything, including racism ...

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    oh god (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:15:21 PM EST
    you had to go there.

    It never occured to me that this could be racial, frankly I don't see how it could be.

    Now if he'd called him a "big d*ck"...

    See what you've done?  As terrible as that last line was, that's what popped into my head when you wrote this comment, and it wouldn't get out until I wrote it out.

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    Big d*ck... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:00:50 PM EST
    could just mean big jerk...now if he was called a...oh never mind:)

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    My favorite moment from (none / 0) (#131)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:55:36 PM EST
    that movie is when the Indians catch sight of the black guys and shriek "Shvartze!!"

    Heheheheh.

    (For those not in the know, there's long been a nutty theory that the American Indians are actually the "lost tribe of Israel.")

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    Oh, I'm sure someone at DKos is covering (none / 0) (#77)
    by rhbrandon on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:11:13 PM EST
    that just fine.

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    That's (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:26:46 PM EST
    what I thought. They'll take care of that angle for us.

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    Wow. Maybe I need to get out (none / 0) (#80)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:19:07 PM EST
    more, but it's not immediately clear to me why you would introduce the racial angle with Halperin's remark.

    Unless, as a poster above suggests, you were really "stretching" with the metaphor to make it into something, uh, bigger, than it really was.

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    Please note: I see nothing racist (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:30:46 PM EST
    in using the expression "d*ck" in reference to our President.  Disrespectful, yes.  Suspendable offense, no.  

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    Absolutely no idea (none / 0) (#85)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:33:07 PM EST
    why anyone would bring race into this.

    There are so many other important things to focus on like making up stories about Jay-Z songs played at rallies, or looking at people wipe dirt of their shoulders or [gasp] rubbing their face with a finger clearly intended to insult all women.

    i mean the real insult would have been if Halperin called Obama "likeable enough".

    Now that sh*t is racist.

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    Sadly, probably a stronger argument (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 08:30:58 AM EST
    I mean the real insult would have been if Halperin called Obama "likeable enough".

    ... for that than most of the other accusations of "Racism!" that were made by Obama supporters.

    Settle down, "Sweetie".  I don't know why it is that, periodically, when you're feeling down, your claws seem to come out.

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    Sarcasm Off (none / 0) (#87)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:34:37 PM EST
    It's not racist at all and the only people even raising that point are people still bristling over the calls of racism against Hillary supporter that said racist shit.

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    Yeah, imagine that (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17:10 PM EST
    People get upset when they called "Racist!" by some Obama supporters who love to throw false accusations of "Racism!" around like confetti.

    Weird, huh?

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    This is the last day of Quantitative Easing 2 (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:34:47 PM EST
    Because many believe that QE2 caused a big meltup in all the markets, I think Obama's speech yesterday about the economy getting worse was in part because of the belief that QE2 was doing that, and only that....it wasn't doing anything meaningful for the little people other than adding to inflation of items being speculated on. What happens to the markets (the only things that seemed to be doing well) from here? Nobody knows for sure.

    They're probably just move ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:53:55 PM EST
    from quantitative easing to qualitative easing, i.e. incompetence. They've already got a head start on that one.

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    They are beginning a QE lite (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:04:31 PM EST
    and buying 300 billion in matured treasuries.

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    Seriously, QE is just ... (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:25:33 PM EST
    a kick-back scheme.  Or, as they used to call it, graft.

    BTW, I sailed on the real QEII across the Atlantic as a kid.  And us kids had our own cruise director.  One of the things he had us do was run through the First Class lounge and make faces at all the rich people.

    We need some of that style of QEII spirit now!

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    Heh....the current QE (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 03:52:04 PM EST
    never eases anything for me, just Wall Street fat cats.

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    Question: (none / 0) (#97)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 02:55:55 PM EST
    Did anyone buy the it was meant to be a joke, but the technology didn't cooperate with us, explanation?

    OK, after seeing this headline all day (none / 0) (#137)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 04:28:39 PM EST
    I have to confess it reminds me of the end of that song in 'Kiss Me Kate'

    Every Tom, D*ck, or Harry
    Every Tom, Harry or D*ck
    a d*ck a d*ck...a d*ck a d*ck....(fade out)

    Thanks a lot for the ear worm, BTD.

    Well, gee, ruffian (none / 0) (#138)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 04:46:05 PM EST
    Now I've got it, too.  Thanks loads.   ;-)

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    OMG (none / 0) (#144)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 06:20:54 PM EST
    You can leave now you know Geithner!!!

    amazing! (none / 0) (#145)
    by cpinva on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 06:48:20 PM EST
    ann althouse displayed a brief moment of sanity, then quickly reverted to her normal lunatic self.

    mark this day on your calendars.

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