Thursday Morning Open Thread

Freddy Adu was good last night. Point for Bradley. He still should go. I'm rooting for Mexico on the weekend. A little short term pain will lead to long term gain.

NBA Draft tonight.

Gators in the College World Series semis.

Wimbledon heading into Round 3 tomorrow.

Yanks a 1/2 game back of the Sox.

Anything I missed sportswise?

Open Thread.

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    Tip for people on F.B.I.'s most-wanted (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:58:34 PM EST
    list.  Be sure to always ask to pet the neighbor's pooch.  Bulger and his long-time companion never did.  See LAT.  

    other (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:38:36 PM EST
    non-related responses here

    Best line by far "yea he was a mobster, but so what? Everybody's got an occupation"

    Gah.  It's been a running "joke" for a long time that you could walk into a bar in Southie and 90% of people "knew where Whitey Bulger was". It's changed a lot in the last decade or so.  But not that much.


    I had to (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:34:45 PM EST
    Google him. He's fairly regional.

    If you've seen the Departed (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:39:23 PM EST
    Jack Nicholson's character was based on him.

    I can say that regionally, this is huge news.


    Heck, (none / 0) (#38)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:43:57 PM EST
    in the old LA (Lower Alabama), it was regional, but I can't argue that it was a big arrest and big news nationally.

    Now, back to my pop-skill whiskey making, and talk of sesech...

    There's a fair amount of isolation to such figures from here in the margins, believe it or not. We know we're affected, but these folks never seem to settle down here when on the run. Guess mosquitoes and humidity are worth something.


    ugh... (none / 0) (#39)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:44:37 PM EST
    pop-skull whiskey... it all takes skill to make.

    I did not know this (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:54:45 PM EST
    I love that movie.  I love almost all Mob movies for some reason.  I think it was because my mom hid her book The Godfather from us, because of the pictures in the middle of it from the movie.  First, it was all she and her sisters could talk about, and then I can't see the book?  She had issued a challenge. I spent hours secretly looking for it.  When we finally did get a hold of it I had no idea what the photos meant :)  The next quest was to figure out what the heck those weird bizarre photos meant.

    I have seen The Conversation (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:28:55 AM EST
    Only because John Cazale was in it.  He was so talented and gone far too soon.  I made a point of seeing every movie he was in.  I love the Godfather series.  I love Reservoir Dogs, I loved the Sopranos, I love Good Fellas, Donnie Brasco, Casino, I just love Mob movies and I blame it on my mom :)

    You are (none / 0) (#81)
    by Zorba on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 02:53:12 PM EST
    a mere pup.  I was in college when the novel The Godfather came out, and already graduated from college and working when the first film came out.  (Geez, I'm getting old.)  I saw all three of the films when they first appeared, having read the novel as soon as it was available in paperback.  (Part III pretty much sucked.)

    Link (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:34:28 PM EST
    Bombshell in Anthony case (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 02:58:53 PM EST
    Mother searched for chloroform on computer not Casey. Spot in trunk of car (prosecutor-strain from decomposing body) it was there when they brought the car.

    More detail, please, (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:06:57 PM EST
    or a linkie, please?

    Let's hope this works (none / 0) (#29)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:13:11 PM EST
    Thanks! (none / 0) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:17:21 PM EST
    did ypou know that you can hit that chain button, then find at the end of the link, whew >< appear, and put a word in between there and it's the link? It took me three years to figure it out...

    Thank you (none / 0) (#40)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:50:09 PM EST
    As soon as court is over,I will look for the chain-link button.

     Trial update: No 84 visit to chloroform site.84 visited to my space on this computer.Plus they cherry picked the computer records.
      The prosecution has lost there case.

     This day.  devastating!!!!


    and she visited (none / 0) (#73)
    by Amiss on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:23:56 AM EST
    "My Space" just seconds later? Gimme a break.

    Almost got it.... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:23:40 PM EST
    instead of pasting the link in the comment box, type a word or short phrase, any word.  Highlight the word.  Then hit chain-link button...paste the link in the box that appears.  Hit OK, and when your comment is done hit post.

    Like this...I know It's Tricky But if I can do it anybody can:)


    Makes more sense than mine... (none / 0) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:31:16 PM EST
    Back when I was your age, we dipped girls pigtails into inkwells and wrote on slate!

    LOL... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:41:29 PM EST
    They handcuff little boys for dipping girls hair in the inkwell these days, and haul 'em off to the station....prosecutorial discretion as to whether the little buggers are charged as adults.

    If we still used inkwells that is, but you catch my drift old-timer:)


    just stay off of (none / 0) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:54:37 PM EST
    my lawn, kdog... and your friends, too! If your ball enters my backyard, it's MY ball.

    kdog, the book has landed. (none / 0) (#43)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:57:01 PM EST
    It certainly is a hefty tome. Strikes me as just the ticket for casual summer reading in the garden. Thanks.

    If anyone would like to be next in line to read the official TL copy of Shantaram, please speak up. I will gladly send it along when I have finished.


    My pleasure... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:00:37 PM EST
    glad it made it, and right on time...when the post office started slapping "media enclosed subject to search" stickers on it I got nervous...roaches pop up in weird places at my house:)

    How'd ya like the name on the label, Admiral Casey Swashbuckle?


    I loved it, kdog. (none / 0) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:16:29 PM EST
    The mailboxes are in the front entrance of my building. Yesterday, when I went to get my mail and saw the name you gave me, I let out a rather sharp and noisy guffaw, causing one of my neighbors to look at me somewhat askance out of the corner of his eye.

    I knew he wouldn't understand, so I just smiled and went on my way.

    In six months I turn 60. A name change might be just the thing to mark that milestone. Admiral Casey Swashbuckle has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Could make me the talk of senior housing some day.


    When I mailed my brother C*ban c*gars (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:54:00 PM EST
    from tiny post office in Paris, the postmistress informed me I needed to add a return address, which I made up.  Then she wanted my name.  My brother thought "Karen Smith" was highly original!

    I'd love to jump in, (none / 0) (#44)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:00:23 PM EST
    but there may be folks ahead of me...

    Jeff, if you want the book next, it's (none / 0) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:11:25 PM EST
    yours. You are the first person to express interest. It is a lengthy work, so it will take me a while to read to the end. I'll give you the heads up when I am ready to send it on.

    If ya got the time... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:42:18 PM EST
    It's a can't put it down-er...you'll be finished quicker than ya think, enjoy the ride! And onto First Mate Alabama Greybeard.

    And thank oculus you guys, she started the  "Shantaram" cypher...Oprah ain't got nothin' on us:)  


    Saw an exhibit of scrimshaw recently. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:52:03 PM EST
    included two very intricate guillotines and two portraits of famous female pirates.

    Just got home from a mini beach vacation (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:31:21 PM EST
    And discover that Obama is releasing oil from the strategic reserves.  This is what happens when you  listen to Larry Summers and Tim Geithner about what must done with the economy and then you have to get reelected.  Maybe Jim will be happy though now.  

    Do we get oil from Libya ? (none / 0) (#53)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:35:35 PM EST
    I thought it was China.

    it's to combat (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:37:14 PM EST
    speculation on the global market.  It really doesn't matter where it comes from.

    Wouldn't it be wiser... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:47:16 PM EST
    to combat the speculators and save the petro for rainier days?  Hand the speculators a Daily Racing Form, point them towards the nearest simulcast facility and tell 'em to leave the energy alone?

    That being said, if it gets the price at the pump down I'm all for it:)


    And piss off all of Wall Street? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:48:41 PM EST
    All at once?

    In a way (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:51:17 PM EST
    this does p*ss off wallstreet.  Certainly all those who were speculating on oil prices.

    That might be my favorite part about it.  Shadenfreude :)


    Yes it will (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:59:41 PM EST
    But to put rules in place across the board would really really really upset them.  I understand that Frank-Dodd has changed some rules on gold speculating too.  Speculators at Zero Hedge are a little bit chapped about that too.

    Not "inner party" Wall St... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:04:28 PM EST
    dollars to donuts they got a timely phone call.

    They're still ahead in the game... (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:02:12 PM EST
    better to be p*ssed off than p*ssed on...what are they gonna do, crash the economy and go on welfare?

    I know the dangers of p*ssin' off a baker, a butcher, a carpenter...a fast money fast talkin' bookie taking action on the quality of life of billions of people?  That sick f*cker? :)



    Most of Libya's oil goes to the EU (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:46:57 PM EST
    All the richies on Wall Street though have run out of good stuff to bet on though, and they aren't positive about forever bailouts so they have been diversifying with commodity speculation.  And they could do it so easily too since most of them get all that cream from quantitative easing right off the top.

    I expected you to hold forth on the Pres.'s (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:56:05 PM EST
    plans for Afghanistan.

    He sounds like how the U.S. sounds when we (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 04:44:14 PM EST
    talk about when our final day in Iraq will be.  My husband wants to do one more Afghanistan tour before he is out.  He told me this when he got back last year.  He does this because he knows I have a hard time dealing with certain realities so he will need all the time he can squeeze in allowing me to deal with it and make my peace with it.

    We watched the announcement of the 2012 drawdown and I started laughing. I told him that he had 1.5 years to get that last tour in and he told me that that was exactly what he was thinking.  But the 2012 drawdown is subject change, they always reserve that right.  I think Obama has covered all of his bases on this one thing.  Why do this one thing so well and fail at everything else?  I wish I knew.

    When we leave Afghanistan we will have a robust CIA operation there on the ground.  Our killing Osama kills the legend, his magic protection that it seemed like he had and the notion that he was doing God's will has been dealt with.  God's will matters a lot to the people of that region.  When Pakistan was flooding so badly my husband said that because the devastation would not stop that the people would equate it with making God angry and they would begin to wonder what they had done.  He said that it could work against Al Qaeda because all the regions being flooded were regions that they run around in.  Sure enough, two weeks after my husband said that Osama issued the statement that the floods were due to global warming.  The magic warrior for one moment publicly embraced science because he could not afford any magical thinking at that time, it was starting to tarnish his image.

    I'm fine drawing down.  It all seems very appropriate.


    Boston won another title (none / 0) (#1)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:12:19 PM EST
    in case you forgot :)

    Yanks still behind sox.

    You're rooting for MEXICO?!?!  Traitor.  I thought you believed in American exceptionalism.

    The women's world cup is about to start.  The Americans are still one of the best in the world, having won the last olympics.  But the rest of the world has definitely caught up from a few years ago when there were only one or two powerhouses.

    It's for our own good (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:20:13 PM EST
    We have to get rid of Bradley.

    Screw that... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:45:56 PM EST
    I got too much cross-border trash talk going on!

    for real (none / 0) (#6)
    by CST on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:56:06 PM EST
    of all games to want to lose "for the good of the team" -  Mexico is not the team to do it against.  Plus, Mexico is good enough that I'm not sure losing to them would achieve that goal.

    Good point... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    There really isn't much shame in losing to El Tri.

    Sick cross by Donovan...right through the bread basket to the far post...sweet.  And Adu looked very sharp...great ball to Donovan to set up the Dempsey goal.


    Apparently (none / 0) (#2)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:19:30 PM EST
    women in tennis are supposed to stop grunting.  This seems to be a yearly debate though (and men complain about it in their matches too).

    Tennis and Politics (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 02:44:42 PM EST
    have a lot in common. Lots of grunting and lots of whining.

    OT but wanted to let you know (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:11:54 PM EST
    that you were correct that DADT hasn't been implemented yet.  I'm used to training being followed up immediately with implementation but I asked more questions and was told that because this is huge policy change across the board they will have these trainings.  Then they will address issues and conflicts that arise during the training sessions.  After everyone has been through training, a date of implementation will be issued.

    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 06:26:02 PM EST
    well I hope it is implemented before Nov 2012.  Make some of the GOP who want to reinstate it look like @holes for not supporting the troops.

    The repeal of DADT really does excite me and make me happy for the future.  Is someone really going to call someone who is serving their country a f*g?  I think it will have a positive affect on a lot of lives in the military and outside the military as well.


    this has Nothing (none / 0) (#75)
    by Amiss on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 12:32:48 AM EST
    to do with DADT but....I live a mile from Kings Bay. Something funky goin on there. They called in the Marines to guard something very secret. Makes me nervous besides all the fires surrounding us, we have been on Red Alert for months now. The smoke has been so thick that the sun is pink and the moon is orange. Wish I had a decent camera.

    I think I am ready to move back to Fla, even with Rick Scott as the Governor.


    Very creepy!!!! (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 04:16:33 PM EST
    Unintended consequence of Padres (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:19:56 PM EST
    taking 2 of 3 against Red Sox.  Helped the Yankees.

    The Mutts... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:00:36 PM EST
    Note to Mets players...if you get injured, rob a bank for a dollar to get better medical care...they botched up Ike Davis this time.  Unreal. No wonder Beltran sneaks away for knee surgery in the off-season without telling the team!  I wouldn't let the Mutts medical staff but a band-aid on me, I'd get a staph infection or something.

    And on the poker beat...A buncha celebrity high stakes players are being sued for beating a donk grifter out of a chuck a change, and the gamblers who gambled on the grifter want their money back.  Does anybody here know how to gamble, and the gamblers code, besides Spiderman?  

    The plaintiffs need to stick to square games instead of crying when they lose a gamble on a grifter.  They're doing the poker players dirty here, imo...no shame, no shame.

    It is the bankruptcy trustee who is suing (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:38:51 PM EST
    the winners.  Maybe trustee will try to prove the loser didn't try all that hard to win!

    Are you alleging... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:53:29 PM EST
    money laundering grifted funds? and Spidey, Will Hunting, & Chuckie Sullivan were in on it?  And they call me a conspiracy theorist!

    Much more likely, the grifter was a degenerate gambler, and a lousy one at that, and his ponzi scheme was funding the leaks in his game, as well as a bloated lifestyle he didn't have the talent or work ethic to earn.  


    I'm way to lazy to actually read the (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:55:22 PM EST
    complaint.  Relying on LAT from yesterday, which did not explain the theory of the trustee.

    I don't speak legal-ese... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 02:07:23 PM EST
    I only know the unwritten gamblers code...I can't see how the players can be held liable for how a fellow player got his money to put on the table....they did nothing wrong.

    But the law is kinda funny that way, who knows.  They might be in trouble for breaking Cali's tyrannical gaming laws but that should be all...they earned that cash.


    I try to know absolutely nothing re bankruptcyl (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 02:11:20 PM EST
    law, but it doesn't seem like a viable theory to me.  BTD?

    Didn't the Bernie Madoff trustee (none / 0) (#50)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:23:18 PM EST
    sue the people (including the owner of the New York Mets) who had gotten their profits out before the whole Madoff thing blew up?  I think the theory there was that the money they gained was "fictitious profits" from the Madoff Ponzi scheme.  So maybe poker winnings are "fictitious profits" in this case.  Who knows?  I don't pretend to know anything about Ponzi schemes, or bankruptcy.

    Correct... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 08:11:50 AM EST
    Mets owner Fred Wilpon invested heavily with Madoff, and is being sued for the principle and any profits over the years.  A suit for the profits has merit, going after the principle is unjust, imo...though selfishly I'd love to see Wilpon lose and be forced to sell...we need new ownership! :)

    Apples and oranges to this suit...the poker players were not invested in the scheme afaik, did not profit off investments in the scheme...they were just playing cards and profiting on playing cards...honest profits on an honest gamble.

    Can't tell ya if the law agrees, and jives with common sense...we shall see.


    What you say makes sense, Dog (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 02:44:23 PM EST
    But who knows how the courts will rule?  Common sense and the law are not always on the same page, as you well know.    ;-)  

    Indeed... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 02:49:38 PM EST
    the law is so twisted, ya never know...thats why people settle even though they did nothing wrong...or in criminal cases, plead guilty even though they did nothing wrong.

    Somebody thinks (none / 0) (#12)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:20:12 PM EST
    poker is like marbles-- "I never said we were playing for keepsies! MOM!"

    In the apparent absence of Capt Howdy: (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:06:23 PM EST
    Mosaic of Virgin of Guadalupe on a surf bd., i.e. "The Surfing Madonna," was removed from public property last night.  Sorry I missed seeing it in place.  LAT

    Where is Capt Howdy? (none / 0) (#11)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:19:15 PM EST
    Did I miss something in my two weeks of staying away?

    I think I read that he got downsized, (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:29:26 PM EST
    but landed on his feet--maybe in the South.  Doesn't the South have high speed internet too?

    We have (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    "fair to middlin'" speed. If we said we had high speed, it might sound like braggin.'

    Correct... (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:48:26 PM EST
    Laid off, then a bird shat on him, found some long-forgotten cashish somewhere, enjoying unexpected retirement.

    Degenerate commentary has suffered, I can't do it alone!


    After being down-sized, Capt. Howdy (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:53:29 PM EST
    took his unexpected cash windfall and bought a little bit of property in his home state of Arkansas. He is now enjoying early retirement.

    Don't forget us, Howdy, as you drift along in retiree bliss.


    Good to hear he landed on his feet (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:56:30 PM EST
    I was hoping he would surface again as I saw there were a couple of lighting design positions open near me in the beautiful BA. Guess he won't need that info now :)

    Our vagabond friends are now in Thailand (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    Friends who recently visited Thailand sd. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 01:43:04 PM EST
    it is as hot or hotter than Angkor Wat.  That's saying a lot.

    It's something BIG going on in the Anthony Trial?? (none / 0) (#46)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:06:23 PM EST
    with the lead FBI investigator.

    The judge is so wrong (none / 0) (#49)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:17:11 PM EST
       This case is starting to smell bad

    As usual the media misses the big story (none / 0) (#51)
    by loveed on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:31:10 PM EST
    All day the media has been going crazy because Cindy & George Anthony think Casey is guilty.
     So her testimony today about the chloroform and the carpet in the car. the media view: she trying to save Casey. In other words she's lying.
     The media have not talked about the carpet in the car.

     But biggest event was the lead fbi agent in charge of the case. The video is not available yet. This was not in front of the jury. The prosecutor wanted a proffer of what the next two witness were  going to say.
     The lead FBI investigator suggested tampering with evidence and it leads to the prosecutor office. The evidence was photos of the duct tape. He wanted to manipulate the photos. The defense has the E-mail!!! Agent testimony was impeach by another agent.

     The judge did not allow it. The E-mail was read in open court.

    Put your hands together... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 08:47:32 AM EST
    for Lulzsec, for being a cyber-thorn in the sides of the thorns in our sides.

    "We are targeting AZDPS specifically because we are against SB1070 and the racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona," LulzSec said in a release. "Hackers of the world are uniting and taking direct action against our common oppressors--the government, corporations, police, and militaries of the world."

    Keep up the good work!

    Well, Iraq will have high speed rail (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 24, 2011 at 01:28:06 PM EST
    before Florida. Thanks a lot Gov. Scott.