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Rep. Anthony Weiner to Resign

He's finally giving up. Rep. Anthony Weiner will announce his resignation today.

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    If the Democratic House leadership (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47:56 AM EST
    had deemed him valuable enough, I think they would have fought for him; here's an interesting take from David Dayen:

    Weiner only served on the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He was not the kind of member of Congress who worked the issues deeply or got legislation passed. He was a backbencher biding his time before running for Mayor of New York City, and then, a bomb-thrower who used cable news to gain the admiration of liberals. What damaged his effectiveness was a scandal that would not allow him to go on TV anymore and yell about Republicans. Because that was really his designated role.

    Emphasis mine.

    If he's no longer effective in that role - and would likely be redsitricted out of his seat in another year - he was seen as not being politically worth the fight.

    Ultimately, this is about politics, not personal behavior - even though it is the behavior, and the lying about it, that drove this to where it is today.

    And that role in part drove the press (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:14:21 PM EST
    to keep after him. I heard more than one reporter say that it was his role as attack dog that meant they had to stay on this story. To paraphrase this position, he was not just an ordinary member of congress - he was OUT THERE talking down the Republicans! Yes, your liberal media at work.

    So, are the Dems going to anoint another attack dog? Who would take that role these days?

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    Better than even money IMO the Dems (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:25:42 PM EST
    will appoint someone who believes we should implement the Cat Food Commission's recommendations ASAP and proves just how friendly Obama and the party can be to the business community.  

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    They actually have to hold a special (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:38:01 PM EST
    election, as I understand it, and since his district isn't that blue, it's entirely possible he will be replaced with someone considerably less liberal, and more compliant with the New Democratic Vision for Austerity for the Masses.  If there is an interim appointment to be made, I think the chances are slim that it's going to be a liberal - it will be someone who can run as an incumbent and win - if there is a district to win, that is.

    This development is probably the primary reason the whole thing ticks me off; just colossally stupid on the part of AW, and playing right into the hands of the the New Deomcratic Party.

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    he didn't just attack republicans (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 02:27:11 PM EST
    he attacked democrats too when they were being too moderate. That is what I liked about him.  Someone has to pull the opposite way from the republicans. He even attacked Obama.
     But I don't think it was any of that.  I think he pissed off too many powerful women.  This is only a guess on my part, but Allyson Swartz speaking up, publicly seemed to turn the tide against him.
    For you guys who don't understand, and even for you third wave (undertow) feminists here is how it works.  Women off all ages have had to put up with this sort of disrespect from birth.  Just because you walk across the room doesn't mean some guy near you gets to grab your butt.  Just because you like someone's speech in front of congress doesn't mean you want to see a picture of his pee pee, particularly without warning.  It's not that it is so shocking, it is the disrespect that wares you down.  What a freaking disappointment that more men and frankly, women too do not get it. And what a disappointment Weiner is.  His fiery rhetoric is what I liked about him.  Too bad it was not backed up with real substance and character.
    Here is a terrific diary at Reclusiveleftist about the difference between men on the right and men on the left when it comes to sexism.

    http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2011/06/14/convenient-audiovisual-demonstration-of-the-difference-be tween-sexism-on-the-right-and-sexism-on-the-left/#comments

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    fauxminism (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 04:40:26 PM EST
    What a freaking disappointment that more men and frankly, women too do not get it.

    just to take one example, Riverdaughter/Goldberry is over there doubling down on Teh Crazy - no doubt she'd get it if Weiner had flashed Sarah Palin or Saint Hillary instead of some unsuspecting woman who had the nerve to feel slimed & insulted by Weiner's huge presumption if not by the unsolicited pic of Little Anthony

    but your remark about "undertow" (so-called Third Wave) feminism highlights a relevant issue: much of this fauxminism, like neoliberalism, is about individual rather than collective solutions to sociopolitical problems

    the "new" feminism goes so well with the "old" sexism

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    Lets face it (none / 0) (#21)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:14:31 PM EST
    .

    Republicans wanted him to stay.  The partisan ones wanted him to replace Pelosi as minority leader.  The super partisan ones wanted him to replace Biden on the 2012 ticket,  The hyper partisans wanted him to replace Obama on the 2012 ticket.

    .

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    I agree with your first sentence; (none / 0) (#32)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:59:59 PM EST
    I'd like to know why NY'ers wanted him to stay if he was ineffective, though.
    In addition, this sxandal (TM---use it if you want) was uncovered at the same time as Weiner was highlighting Clarence Thomas's dodgy financial disclosure. This is information which should disqualify him from taking part in a case on ACA. I doubt the timing was a coincidence.

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    At last, thank goodness! (5.00 / 6) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:29:28 PM EST
    The Democrats' battle of the bulge was won.  Now President Obama and the Congressional Democrats will no longer suffer this distraction and can continue to  focus, laser-like, on saving the middle class, addressing the joblessness in a serious way,   dealing with health care costs rather than just cutting Medicare and Medicaid benefits and along the way, expose Ryan's coupon clipping program for what it is, and  winding down and ending our several wars.  With Weiner soon gone, our elected hot dogs will have nothing to stop them from grilling Harold Koh's and Robert Bauer's novel legal rationale that, essentially, the War Powers Act does not apply to the Libya military intervention because the technology deployed (drones, off shore missiles and remote control weapons) does not involve active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, so it is not war, after all.  

    Now that Weiner is no longer a (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:56:22 PM EST
    distraction maybe Obama and the Dems can actually do something about this:

    In the latest sign that the economic recovery may have lost whatever modest oomph it had, more small businesses say that they are planning to shrink their payrolls than say they want to expand them. link

    Or maybe this:

    It's official: The housing crisis that began in 2006 and has recently entered a double dip is now worse than the Great Depression.

    Prices have fallen some 33 percent since the market began its collapse, greater than the 31 percent fall that began in the late 1920s and culminated in the early 1930s, according to Case-Shiller data.

    The news comes as the Federal Reserve considers whether the economy has regained enough strength to stand on its own and as unemployment remains at a still-elevated 9.1 percent, throwing into question whether the recovery is real. link

     

    Maybe the Dems would have been better off demanding Weiner not resign and continue to be a distraction.

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    I was wondering how home ownership (none / 0) (#60)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:19:49 PM EST
    rates today compare with those 80 years ago.
    I assume the rates are much higher today.

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    I thought you might post the latest on (none / 0) (#61)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:36 PM EST
    the likelihood that it will be Medicaid that serves as the source of a chunk of the cutting that's going to end up being part of the debt ceiling negotiations:

    The Medicaid program for the poor is facing significant cuts in an emerging bipartisan budget deal as Republicans seek to shrink entitlements and Democrats protect other priorities [...]

    Officials familiar with the talks in both parties say they expect Medicaid to be the biggest source of cuts in federal entitlement programs in whatever compromise emerges. Social Security, the government's largest entitlement, is not expected to be cut at all and Democrats' top priority in the budget talks has been to limit cuts to Medicare, the program that provides health care for seniors.

    Republicans have proposed turning the Medicaid program into a block grant to states, with few strings attached. That idea is seen as a non-starter in the face of opposition from the White House, which is fighting cuts to Medicaid rolls.

    There are signs of bipartisan support among lawmakers for less drastic changes, such as legislation to give states more flexibility to cut the number of people who can use the program.

    David Dayen explains:

    What could happen is a loosening of "maintenance of effort" requirements. States have certain obligations on enrollment and benefits that they have to maintain or they risk losing federal funding, and under these new laws, those requirements will be removed, allowing states "flexibility," which is a euphemism for throwing people off Medicaid. When 41 Senate Democrats vowed never to block grant Medicaid by capping federal expenditures, they pointedly did not talk about maintenance of effort. Any flim-flam about how block granting is unacceptable but MOE is fine should not be considered credible.

    This would be brutal for the poor, particularly in Republican states, but even in blue ones. Governors are champing at the bit to cut enrollment and increase cost sharing. State budgets are still strained, and Medicaid is among the highest expenditures. Much of Medicaid spending goes to keep poor seniors in nursing homes, so a lot of the cuts would get targeted there. Which means that you can call this the "Force Your Mother-in-Law to Move In With You Act."

    Keep in mind that fully half of all the coverage expansions in the Affordable Care Act come from a Medicaid expansion. A removal of MOE would basically undercut that; even though the federal government would pick up all the costs of the Medicaid expansion, states want to reduce their current level, and so the coverage expansion will just unravel. Or, the feds will put the burden on the states, and the states will just opt out of it. You're talking about millions and millions of beneficiaries losing their coverage.

    I have an aunt - 89 years old with Alzheimer's - who has about 16 months of funds available to pay her nursing home bills; I shudder to think where we might be by then...

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    Well, there are at least two ways for the (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:58:53 PM EST
    Obama administration to decrease the number of poor people in this country.

    The first would be to create jobs programs that would provide decent paying jobs to the poor and the unemployed.

    Or, the government can simply deny them access to health care, and let them die off from illness and injury.

    Sounds like our elected officials are opting for death.

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    i propose (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:13:11 PM EST
    that all remaining comments about Anthony Weiner take the form of limericks

    i will start by plagiarizing one i found the other day in the comments on a Salon piece

    There was a Dem rep from New York
    Who said, "Watch me bring home the pork."
    When he reached for his meat,
    he'd sent out a tweet.
    Now his colleagues have stuck in the fork.


    Anthony you were a mark, (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:57:59 PM EST
    but congressional texting is not a lark,
    we expected you to be keener,
    especially when your name is Weiner,
    even worse than this verse,
    and unlike Spitzer,
    you lied to Blitzer.


    Someone say limerick? (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by DaveCal on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:49:08 PM EST
    The horny Congressman, naked in his seat
    Tried sending a coed a pic of his meat
    But he hit the wrong button
    Showed the whole world his mutton
    and learned the dangers of the one-handed tweet


    Tweety devoting his show tonight (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:05:45 PM EST
    to attempting to get a tingling leg about what exactly was Weiner's turning point. What a waste of time.  Who cares?  He has resigned, overall party damage controlled.  What would it take to get Tweety to resign now?

    Limerick challenge (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:29:17 PM EST
    It now has become an old adage
    When sending a tweet of your package
    If it is not private
    Your career will will arrive at
    Complete certitude of its wreckage

    another entry (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:59:23 PM EST
    In New York, the Brooklyn/Queens section,
    They're holding a special election
    Now that young Anthony
    Has turned out to be
    A two-timing walking erection.

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    aaargh...ruined a perfect rhythm (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:30:30 PM EST
    with a double 'will'.

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    Ya got company... (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:35:44 PM EST
    I ruined mine with the wrong there/their/they're.

    He represents Brooklyn and Queens,
    he can't "keep the peace" in his jeans.
    Forced to resign,
    stop wasting our time,
    nobody's got any green.

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    That gets a 10! (none / 0) (#124)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:08:32 PM EST
    love the slant rhyme! (none / 0) (#121)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:53:34 PM EST
    how nice of you to notice ;-) (none / 0) (#123)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:07:45 PM EST
    I must confess I read the Sondheim book on his lyrics (part 1) and am anxiously awaiting part 2!

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    There once was a Rep. named Weiner, (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:47:49 PM EST
    Who cried without coming cleaner,
    Then his spouse flew back,
    And Ginger hired a hack,
    So the Rep. won't be seen-er.  

    Huff Post headline (pretty good): (none / 0) (#127)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:45:00 AM EST
    Twitter quitter


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    Ok... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:54 AM EST
    There Once Was A Representative Named Anthony
    Who Once Was Perusing Deuteronomy
    It Was Simply Too Long
    All Those Characters, No Schlong,
    So Instead of Wisdom He Took to P*rnography.

    I'm sorry, I couldn't resist, how often do you get to work Deuteronomy however unsuccessfully into a limerick...

    I like it! (none / 0) (#136)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:55:48 AM EST
    What digby said (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:03:56 AM EST
    It's sadly ironic that on the same day Anthony Weiner finally acquiesced to the demands of his party leadership that he step down for having embarrassed them with icky pictures, the GAO released this report:

    A report issued today by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) finds little to support the charges that led to the demise of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a grassroots consumer advocacy organization driven out of existence by Congressional critics.

    The ACORN and Weiner scandals, different as they are (although the common thread is the sexy, obviously) have a similar lesson in them for all Democrats inside and outside the beltway: it doesn't matter if you committed a crime or broke any rules or even were the victim of a hoax --- once you've embarrassed the Democratic political class, you will be cut loose. link

    Funny how it hasn't embarrassed the current Democratic political class to rob the poor to further enrich their savvy business friends. In fact, they are not only not embarrassed they plan to rob the poor even more under the guise of reducing the deficit so that corporations can get even bigger tax cuts.

    Donald (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 03:20:49 PM EST
    I think sending porn to someone on the internet is a crime when they did not ask for it, or even if they did.  I could be wrong, but flashing someone is flashing someone.  In addition the transcript of at least one of his online "CHATS" was misogynistic and full of violent imagery.  I don't think that is his character, rather I think he is a porn addict and that was the level of perversion he needed to get off.  
    Prostitution is not a victim-less crime. If is legalized would you want your daughter doing it, or your son?  Hey, it's an honest day's work, right?

    At least a prostitute know what he/she is getting in to.  If I write you an email about how great your new youtube video is and you send me back a picture of little Donald, I am pressing charges.  He had no right to do what he did.  And it displayed monumental bad judgment.  Even after telling Huma about it and promising not to do it anymore he continued and it seems he did not seek any help with his problem either.
    Democrats must have the support of women.  If they do not they can not win a single election.  They must have the support of women because a majority of men vote republican most of the time.  He has lost the support of women.  He was a distraction.  He was reckless and he needs lots of lots of therapy if he ever wants to have a normal happy relationship, either with Ms Abedin or if she leaves him, some other woman.  He can't do that all while continuing in congress.  

    Meanwhile, corruption reigns untouched (4.80 / 5) (#1)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:18:19 AM EST
    But the Puritans need their sacrifices.

    Fiddle fiddle, burn burn.

    It's Bizarro... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:22:41 AM EST
    resignable offense is business as usual, personal business is a resignable offense.

    War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery.  Double Plus Good, eh Winston?

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    What could he do? Ginger Lee called (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:26:10 AM EST
    for his resignation!

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    He could do his job... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:42:31 AM EST
    representing his constituents...not that he was doing a bang-up job before Weinergate, just sayin':)

    What I'd give to write the resignation speech..."Today I am resigning from the House because y'all have issues with sex and the male sex organ.  I should have resigned a long time ago for being ineffectual in stopping the economic coup de tat going down, ineffectual in ending our adventures in foreign occupations, ineffectual in preserving your liberty and in liberating souls unjustly imprisoned, ineffectual all around...but whatever.  Have fun digging for dirt on my replacement.  Peace out suckas, and enjoy the government you so richly deserve."


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    Actually, I think it might be AW who (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:07:27 PM EST
    has issues with sex and the male sex organ - he certainly seems quite enamored with his equipment - which is why he's in the situation he's in.

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    Is there any male around (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:52:05 PM EST
    who is not enamored of his equipment.  Come on...

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    Well, the Democrat leaders (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:46:42 PM EST
    are very happy.  For once, someone else caved.

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    It could be argued, I suppose (none / 0) (#13)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:54:25 AM EST
    How well was he representing his constituents - between all the time photographing himself, tweeting with strange women, and devising PR strategies with pron stars - not to mention all the time spent the last three weeks defending himself?

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    I allow pols their hobbies... (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    it's a basic human right to have a hobby...and one can be gainfully employed and have a hobby.

    G-Dub clears brush and plays golf, Obama shoots hoops and plays golf, Churchill swilled whiskey and smoked hop...Weiner gets jollies online. There are enough hours in the day to work and play.

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    Probably a good thing you're single! (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:08:31 PM EST
    Love it. (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:03:52 PM EST
    do you have a copyrite?

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    Gracias:)... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:06:38 PM EST
    It's gratis for A-Junk, no copyrite...sh*t I'd pay him to read it:)

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    My God, you didn't make it up (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:56:14 AM EST
    I'm stunned.  I thought he should resign because this is unfortunately damaging to the party, and at this juncture he also needs to consider his family.  They have a baby coming, he has some boundary issues to work through, we are much much more of everything when we have healthy families behind us.

    It is another thing though to have your sexting partner take it upon herself to call for your resignation.  She makes a living doing it and she calls for him to give his career up because of it?  I don't know which one of the two has the largest out of control ego, no....taking it back....Weiner has had a reality check and Ginger obviously has not nor will she.  This is great publicity for her.  What a vulture though.

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    Except Ginger says she wasn't the one (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:05:23 PM EST
    doing the sexting, and says she has copies of the communications to back her up.  And she says he asked her to lie for him.

    Should we believe her?  Heck if I know, but I do think there's a pattern, since other women have said that they were not asking for that kind of communication and didn't understand why he was going there with it.  If Ginger is being honest, it actually kind of offends me that just because someone is in the adult entertainment industry others can treat them as if they don't have to right to determine what their own boundaries are.  Maybe for some, it's anything-goes-bring-it-on-24/7, but even p0rn stars have the right to draw the line, don't they?

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    She is also referring to herself (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:13:55 PM EST
    as "the most famous stripper in America" right now. I'm not feeling the functional boundaries coming off of her where sex and all that that entails is concerned Anne.

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    And if TMZ is to be believed (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    Hours after the press conference she waltzed into the Pink Pony strip club in Atlanta and gave a 20 minute show where she stripped down to nothing while the club sold oversized hot dogs to the crowd in observance of Weinergate. Poor misused Ginger :)

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    Yeesh...I haven't been doing much (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:47:39 PM EST
    looking around at TMZ and other gossip sites; I guess it's possible that Ginger can take advantage of an opportunity to make money off of this and still have clean hands in terms of the actual exchanges between them.

    Must be making AW a little angry, that Ginger would do in public for hundreds what she wouldn't do for him in private, but here again, what people do in public doesn't necessarily require them to be and do the same in private, does it?  If we're saying that AW has the right to conduct himself as he wishes in his private life, I think that means that even Ginger gets to do the same.

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    Get paid Ginger.... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:08:18 PM EST
    everybody else is...I'd hate to see Rupert Murdoch and Breitbart make all the cashish on this deal.

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    Heard on NPR yesterday many (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:17:15 PM EST
    Congresspersons hold investments in media, including Sen. John Kerry's substantial investment in NewsCorp.  Surprising?  

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    yes, somewhat. (none / 0) (#45)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:22:22 PM EST
    I wonder how long Kerry has had this investment.

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    Not suprising... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:26:20 PM EST
    It's a profitable corporation...unfortunately.  

    Get paid Kerry...I'd hate to see Murdoch make all the cashish for smearing your service in 'Nam:)

    Of course it would be nice if everybody invested in a morally sound manner, but thats pipe-dreams on 'roids...Kerry isn't gonna stick to ponies, cards, and assorted morally sound investment strategies...he's got money in all kinds of dirty I'm sure.

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    lolsob (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 05:01:27 PM EST
    Must be making AW a little angry, that Ginger would do in public for hundreds what she wouldn't do for him in private, but here again, what people do in public doesn't necessarily require them to be and do the same in private, does it?  If we're saying that AW has the right to conduct himself as he wishes in his private life, I think that means that even Ginger gets to do the same.

    seriously

    unless being a stripper/ex-p0rn star means you must be ready & willing & available 24/7 to any male who feels entitled to your attentions

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    Sure she does (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:01:11 PM EST
    And the vulture shoe is fitting for me. Not illegal for adults to sext or be vultures :)  Ginger is going in my icky column.  So is her lawyer too.  I never minded Gloria so much before, I thought she was a self promoter of course but I also thought she bolstered some people who were undergoing some difficult public scrutiny and often didn't deserve it, but after this....bleh

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    Somehow Weiner Found Out She Was in Porn (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:18:01 PM EST
    I get boundaries, but telling some horny dude you are a porn star on Twitter seems like the best way to get a picture of said dude's junk.


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    yeah (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:26:13 PM EST
    & if i tell some guy on Twitter that i'm a dentist, i fully expect him to tweet me a pic of his latest dental x-rays - just stands to reason

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    TAF (none / 0) (#138)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:09:50 PM EST
    "& if i tell some guy on Twitter that i'm a dentist, i fully expect him to tweet me a pic of his latest dental x-rays - just stands to reason "

    That wasn't the point, I wasn't arguing whether is was OK, just that if you toss it out there you may get a different reaction that tossing out that you are a dentist.

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    regardless of whether (none / 0) (#140)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:50:20 PM EST
    what Anthony Weiner (allegedly) did was "OK," what you were & are (clearly) doing is attempting to shift responsibility for Weiner's (alleged) behavior onto a person who is not Weiner

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    why? (none / 0) (#144)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 05:30:47 PM EST
    why does telling him she was a porn star, if she told him in fact, mean he gets to send her unsolicited pics of little anthony and sexts?  Might it just be that he sought her out due to his sex addiction?  
    In Egypt during the protests, the police who declined to attack their own people, did however use for to check women protesters to see if they were virgins and if they were not then they could not accuse any of the men of rape.
    Something for you to consider.

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    Same problem here. My dog's name is Ginger. (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:03:59 PM EST
    Hate to see her dragged through the mud.

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    if Ginger is being honest? (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:14:27 PM EST
    can't call her a prude, so she must be a lying slut

    that ole virgin/wh0re thing = still kicking i guess

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    I'm with ya there A-Fam... (none / 0) (#135)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:48:37 AM EST
    totally insulting to assume a sex worker is gonna give up the nookie simply because they are a sex worker...same inalienable right to say no as anybody else.

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    Weiner's statements (none / 0) (#27)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:35:04 PM EST
    as read by Allred

    "I have wardrobe demands too. I need to highlight my package," and "All right, my package and I are not going to beg. We both see the hazard of going down the path of comparative sexiness," and "You aren't giving my package due credit."

    via Jezebel.

    Weiner obviously has boundary issues, is somewhat of an idiot, and in terms of flirting skills is rather lacking.  Still, I don't much care, he doesn't employ her or anything, etc.

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    so (none / 0) (#145)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 05:44:04 PM EST
    if I get flashed or someone grabs my a$$ on the subway it is okay as long as the person doesn't employ me?

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    huh? (none / 0) (#146)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 05:46:43 PM EST
    why should she have to use her real name?  What does that have to do with anything?

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    she didn't call for his resignation (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:45:41 PM EST
    Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, & Steve Israel did that, with a big assist from President Obama on Tuesday

    Ginger Lee said she would cooperate with the ethics investigation, apparently because she did not appreciate being Weiner's sexting target (not partner)

    but an inconvenient truth is that Weiner had also taken it upon himself to instruct her on how to lie to the press about his online behavior toward her

    she refused to lie to the press & presumably would have refused to lie to the ethics committee too

    which is how, i gather, Weiner finally saw the writing on the wall

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    She wasn't his sexting target (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:14:32 PM EST
    "We did communicate on a fairly regular basis," Lee said. "However, I did not sext Anthony Weiner. I did not send photos to him or receive any from him."

    CBS

    Facts...

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    Not sure the facts are on your side, (none / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:19:58 PM EST
    unless I am not understanding your point.

    From your link:

    Lee said that she did not initiate sexual talk with Weiner, but that he talked about himself in a suggestive way. Lee said that she did not talk about sex online with Weiner.

    "Anytime that he would take our communications in a sexual direction, I did not reciprocate," she said.

    I take that to mean that he was sexting her and she was not returning the favor.  That he didn't send her photos means what, exactly, if the written communications from him were sexual in nature?


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    I don't think (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:27:21 PM EST
    the comments he sent to her were "sexting" per se.  Certainly not compared to his other interactions.  His exchanges with Ms. Lee appear to have been among his most innocuous.  He didn't send her any images and his messages were hardly explicit.  I don't think their exchanges as reported warrant the phrasing "sexting target."

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    yup (none / 0) (#147)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 05:55:23 PM EST
    and what Polanski did was not "rape rape".  What matters is the matter of degree.  His texts were not hard core so they were not sexts.  Makes perfect sense.

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    she was his target (none / 0) (#78)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:22:43 PM EST
    he misfired, but he did repeatedly pull the trigger while she was attempting to keep him on topic (that is, on the political topics she actually did want to discuss with him)

    to paraphrase from elsewhere:

    "Congressman, what are your thoughts on HB 1234?"

    "Uh . . . here's mah DONG."



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    Where did he say that (none / 0) (#82)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:32:07 PM EST
    to Ms. Lee?  This is what I find obnoxious.  If you want to flirt with someone online, I have no problem with that.  I don't see that his exchanges with Ms. Lee were anything other than that.  Separately, he had sexually explicit and consensual exchanges with at least two other women.  No problem there either.  

    Sending an unsolicited picture to Ms. Cordova is the problem.  

    Making generalizations about his online communications is unfair to Weiner and obscures the actual issue.  Unless you're trying to argue there's some kind of "pattern" but I think we hardly have enough facts to do that.

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    if you have no problem (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:45:58 PM EST
    communicating online with a congressman about his stands on political issues, & if he persistently sends you messages about his "package," & if you regard his behavior as "flirting," & if you want to reciprocate, i am absolutely fine with your reaction

    conversely, if Ms. Lee is communicating online with Anthony Weiner about his stands on political issues, & if he persistently sends her messages about his "package," & if she does not regard his behavior as "flirting," & if she does not want to reciprocate, i am absolutely fine with her reaction

    why aren't you?

    & to be clear, "Uh . . . here's mah DONG" is poetic license employed to depict, yes, a pattern in Rep. Weiner's behavior - i am not saying that Anthony Weiner actually wrote those words to Ginger Lee, as i think you already know

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    If you are discussing (none / 0) (#85)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:54:23 PM EST
    something with someone online and they skeeve you out, you either a) stop talking to them or b) tell them to stop skeeving you out.  If Anthony Weiner is a gross human being, that's disappointing, but none of these women were forced to continue to interact with him.  

    On a 10 point scale of revulsion, I think making some suggestive comment about your package is at a 2, and sending an unsolicited pic of your underwear clad junk is an 11.  I think there are distinctions between most of his encounters and his message to Ms. Cordova, and I personally think they are important to maintain.

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    Ginger Lee could have cut Weiner off (none / 0) (#89)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:03:33 PM EST
    so to speak

    i don't know why she didn't & neither do you

    but when she says she did not initiate & did not want & did not enjoy his sexting overtures, well . . . what's the phrase i'm looking for?

    oh yeah - i believe HER

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    On Twitter, you just block them (none / 0) (#96)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:24:25 PM EST
    and if you can't figure out how to block on twitter, you should really stay off the internet . . .

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    yup (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 06:14:22 PM EST
    if you are too stupid to know how to block someone on twitter then you deserve to be sent unwelcome sexual text messages by your congresscritter.  Stands to reason. And if you continued to try to engage a politician on political matters and you are a WHORE, you deserve what you get.  Stop being a stupid whore and these things will not happen to you.

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    Note: "skeeve" has no relationship, (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:49:29 PM EST
    apparently to "skivvies."  (New word of the day:  skeeve.)

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    If someone is not soliciting the flirting, (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:54:24 PM EST
    and that person's responses don't return the flirt, at what point does it cross some kind of line?

    I've been in situations with a superior who responded to my face-to-face attempts to discuss work with overt sexual innuendo, leering and grinning; I was polite and tried to get things back on track.  Sometimes it worked, but sometimes it didn't.  I got to where I was uncomfortable when I knew I would have to work with this person.

    In most all other respects, this was a nice guy with a family, and there were aspects of our working relationship that were fine - but this put me in the uncomfortable position of having to tell him I was uncomfortable and hope that we could maintain our working and collegial relationship.

    He actually was really apologetic and we got past it, but while it was happening, I just felt awful.

    Now, the difference is that Ginger Lee didn't have to communicate with Weiner - she could have just ended the back-and-forth - but I think you are trying way too hard to make this her problem for not going along with it instead of his problem for continuing to do it when it wasn't being returned in kind.

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    What? (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:02:21 PM EST
    I don't see how my comments indicate that Ms. Lee "should've gone along with it."  I think she should've either told him to stop or have stopped talking to him.  

    He didn't work with any of these women.  I haven't seen anything that suggests he threatened them in order to have them continue these conversations.  

    In the case of Ms. Lee, sorry but she just baffles me a little bit.

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    I find it more baffling that (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:21:07 PM EST
    you just don't  seem to be getting it.

    I didn't offer my own experience because it mirrors Ginger Lee's, but because how she felt and what she thought about the messages she was receiving is probably more important that AW's own perception of what he was doing.  They weren't working together, as in my case, but as her Congressman, I think she was entitled to try to get appropriate, professional responses from her representative, don't you?  I mean, is that too much to ask?  

    Would AW have had a real epiphany  - like, "hey, this might be about the dumbest thing I could do" - if one or more of these women had told him to back off, had expressed how uncomfortable his messages made them feel?  Maybe, but what kind of idiot takes non-response and attempts to ignore the sexualized messaging as a signal to keep doing it?  I get that he's human, but does he really think this is the right way to respond to someone who's asking about his positions on the issues?  That's how I felt in my situation - I'm trying to discuss how we're going to handle some estate or tax issue, or a problem with a client, and my superior has decided that's the right time to make comments about how I look, or make sexual remarks to me?  Really?

    And when Ginger Lee gets a call from AW, coaching her on how to respond to the media, I think it's entirely possible for her to have felt a little threatened.

    I'm pretty sure that if Ginger Lee was a kindergarten teacher, or actually had any job that wasn't in the adult entertainment industry, there wouldn't be this attitude that we're seeing.  And that's pretty sad commentary all the way around.

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    actually (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:31:50 PM EST
    he was not her congressman, unless i'm mistaken

    she was one of his followers because, maybe like you & me, she liked the stances he so publicly took on issues that mattered to her

    but, sadly, if Ginger Lee were a kindergarten teacher or worked in any industry besides the sex industry, i am quite sure we would be seeing the same attitude toward her

    even & perhaps especially in the comments at TL

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    Well, see, that's what I get for deciding (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:12:28 PM EST
    not to get too deeply into the mud - I was thinking that he was her representative.

    But, as he has been one of the few strong liberal voices, I can imagine he heard from a lot of people  - men and women - from all over who wanted to support that liberal point of view.

    It gets under my skin that, instead of using that interest to build more of a liberal network, he chose to use it to talk to women about his genitals.

    Honestly, as much as I have wanted to strengthen the liberal presence in the Congress, it isn't in me to have it if it means we have to throw these women who didn't ask for AW's attentions under the bus.

    Consensual, I get completely, but more and more it looks to me like AW's definition of "consensual" is different from mine.

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    he did hear from men and women (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:33:09 PM EST
    but, curiously, only the women got the sexts/sexting overtures & junk viewings

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    Ok (none / 0) (#125)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:31:14 PM EST
    how did Ginger Lee feel?  No idea.  Not sure what her angle is with the Gloria Allred stuff, but, still don't know how she feels.  Here is the best account I've seen of her press conference, from the NYT.  

    I would guess that Weiner exchanged all kinds of correspondence with all kinds of folks that was non-sexual.  And yes, he did target a few women, most likely based on his appraisal of their attractiveness.  Like I have said, he is a creep.  And yeah, that creepiness is supported by a lot of male privilege.  As it is in many, many men.  And yeah, like Addams Family says below, no indication he's her Congressman (though a creep is a creep).

    I don't care that Ms. Lee is a sex worker.  Probably that affected Weiner's communications to her.  I think that has to do with how Weiner reacted in terms of emailing her about PR help.  But...Weiner sexted people from all walks of life (how democratic).  If a teacher was upset about his exchanges I would say the same thing - yes, he was being an online creep.  But if that's how you feel, block him, say something, whatever.  There are many tools available built into Twitter and email so that you don't have to put up with pathetic people like him.  And his messages seem to indicate he was not getting through to Ms. Lee....at which point you say, "yeah, you're right, not interested in your package, curious about Planned Parenthood."  I'm not encouraging her to let his messages roll...she DID let them roll.  And she did not work with him, etc.

    It's not that I have an issue with Ms. Lee's profession.  It's that I have an issue with the fact that if Weiner was making you uncomfortable, you by no means have to continue communicating with him.  The Internet is what it is...if I'm casually having an email conversation with a Congressman and he drops in sexual innuendo, there are things I can do.  That do not involve calling Gloria Allred after the scandal gets out.  

    People are creepy on the Internet.  It's true.  Does it matter to you if he sent these messages at 10 PM or at 4 PM?  On the clock or off?

    And if Weiner is going to be held to the standard that the first pass unacknowledged is the only pass he gets to make, well, please hold the rest of humanity to that standard, especially men.  I just don't see him as being, in this situation, more annoying than the average guy who hits on you in a bar.  If you want that guy to stop, you've got to say something.  It doesn't change the fact that such men are obnoxious, possibly sexist, and should know better, and things should change, but, yeah, you have to say something.  I think you should be able to have a drink without being harassed in such a manner.  But it doesn't always happen that way, and as a woman you try to come up with the best way to cut such unwanted communications off as soon as possible.  At least I do.  I personally don't see Weiner as more than your run of the mill annoying guy, except heightened by the Internet, and the Internet to me simply engenders that kind of crap.  I guess what I see as one of the differences between my POV and your POV and perhaps Addams Family's as well is that I think Weiner thought he was obeying Internet dating/flirting rules.  Which are indeed noxious, etc.  But I don't think his behavior is particularly beyond the pale.  I'm not worried he's going to go out and hurt women.  I think he found a medium that matched his work schedule and his personality and went for it.  

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    i have no problem (5.00 / 4) (#128)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:50:31 AM EST
    with consensual sexting & photo exchanges, even though in Weiner's case it strikes me as sleazy, but who asked me

    & i agree with some of what you say

    i can guarantee you, though, that bellying up to the bar & showing some woman your boner is not standard flirting behavior - in fact, in the state where i live, it would result in a lifetime duty to register as a sex offender (not that i approve of sex offender registries - i abhor them but that's another story)

    nor in my experience is receiving unsolicited sexts or d!ck shots in a nonsexual context a normal practice on Twitter, where i actually hang out a lot

    here's the thing

    you & others have your drawers in a great big steaming wad about the reactions of the women who did not want to participate in sexting & who did not want to see Weiner's genitals

    but what about the actions of the person who put them in that position?

    when Anthony Weiner (who by the way did not "sext people from all walks of life" since he apparently did not sext any men) sexualized his interactions with Ginger Lee, & when he virtually flashed Genette Cordova, he stupidly put the ball (so to speak) in their court

    & as far as i am concerned, they get to do about that whatever the f^ck they want, within the law

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    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 01:00:59 AM EST
    I have no problem, people can do whatever they want within the law vis a vis well, former Rep. Weiner, but no one seems to be doing so yet.  Again, I do think he is a sleazeball.  No one has yet found that to be a legal offense.

    But you are also conflating these various encounters ...I think "flashing" applies as far as I know only to Ms. Cordova.  And the other stuff, that included photographs, seemed consensual.  What he said to Ms. Lee is different, in that it was apparently "package" references.

    If we want to explore Rep. Weiner's psychology, we would need transcripts....and I doubt we'll get them.  As it is, I'm going with super-privileged male loser for my explanation of his behavior.  

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    hmmmm (none / 0) (#148)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 06:01:03 PM EST
    do you realize that you do not have enough facts to determine if his messages to Ginger were sexual in nature...more than flirting.

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    I'll tell you (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:51:11 PM EST
    who has the biggest, out of control ego.  Ginger's lawyer, Gloria Allred.  

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    We might have to seperate... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:11:17 PM EST
    Ginger's comments and statements into two camps, pre-Gloria and post-Gloria.

    Another commenter called her the ultimate ambulance chaser...might be an insult to ambulance chasers...ambulance chasers exagerate actual injuries, Gloria makes 'em up half the time.

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    You have got to be kidding me (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:45:46 AM EST
    Please tell me that is a joke.

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    It isn't though. See J's link. . (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:51:24 AM EST
    DISCLAIMER (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:20:25 AM EST
    I'm excruciatingly cranky today.  

    "Today?" they reply.

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    "Today?!" (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Nemi on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:37:12 PM EST
    Only kidding. :)

    Actually I feel bad for you not only because of your sinus infection, but as someone who always dreamt of "living in shorts" - climate wise - I sure can imagine. Tragic indeed.

    Get well soon.

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    So whatsa matter, Big D (none / 0) (#29)
    by StephenAG on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:38:56 PM EST
    Can't stand the sunshine in Northern Cali? If you cheer up I'll see if I can take you to "New Kids on the Block & Backstreet Boys w/ special guest Jordin Sparks" at the HP Pavilion in San Jose in July. Whoo hoo!

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    Sinus infection (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:39:45 PM EST
    I'm a very bad sick person.  Beastly.

    My head feels like it's in a vice.

    As far as NoCal, my SoCal body is really having an odd adjustment period.  I used to live in shorts.  Now I can only visit.  This may turn me into jogging suit guy, which would be tragic.  Ahem.

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    Sorry, Dadler (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:01:32 PM EST
    Having lived in NoCal (San Francisco, to be exact), I can certainly acknowledge the inability to live in shorts.  And as a not-infrequent sinus sufferer, I have loads of sympathy for your sinus infection.

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    Small consolation but it is definitely (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:16:21 PM EST
    June gloom here.

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    It's been nice the last two days (5.00 / 0) (#108)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:26:07 PM EST
    Sunny and almost warm.  And, of course, these are the days I am sick as Chuck Dickens.  So it goes. Hopefully it's nice when I'm better this weekend. Dropped a hint at wanting Wynton Marsalis tix for Father's Day, he's playing that night at Symphony Hall.  Be good for sonny boy and his trombone playing, I think, to see some of the best America's got.  We'll see, tho, she may have already had something else planned.  

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    I love Wynton, (none / 0) (#109)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 07:38:06 PM EST
    and his brother Branford, and their dad, for that matter.

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    The First Family of Jazz (5.00 / 0) (#113)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:39:31 PM EST
    Without a doubt.

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    As posted in yesterday's open thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Addison on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:20:18 AM EST
    I think he should've "resigned" as a Democrat and kept serving as an independent -- just left the party. That would've been an interesting loophole to try.

    That said, I think it was right for him to resign. What he did was morally wrong in my opinion, but I don't have to rely on morals to want him gone.

    I don't care about him or his personal life, and I don't live in his district. My only interest in him is in terms of (a) his Congressional votes and (b) his effectiveness as a national spokesman/fundraiser. His district is either going to be eliminated or elect another Democratic representative, so the votes will stay the same. And he's not an effective national spokesman or fundraiser anymore either. So, for me it's good that he resigned.

    Also: he hit all the stages of grief, a victory for the Kübler-Ross model!


    Another Pit Bull personality, (none / 0) (#6)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:29:01 AM EST
    finally going completely berserk and biting the hands that feed him.

    Nice way to totally (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:46:15 AM EST
    misrepresent the breed . . .

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    What????l (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:46:41 AM EST
    Refresh my memory (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:17:03 PM EST
    Did Vitter drag his saga out for 3 weeks with multiple stories, potentially prey on women who did not want his advances, and have the President of the United States call for him to resign?

    Potentially? sure everyone has the potential. (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 12:28:19 PM EST
    As for Bush asking him to resign - did he ever ask a Republican to resign? Not his style.  Not sure how long it dragged out - I did not pay a lot of attention.

    I do know that Jefferson was not asked to resign even after the FBI found money in his freezer.

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    Except (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:07:07 PM EST
    This isn't a case of "everyone having potential" - Weiner has specifically been mentioned (I won't say "accused") of sending unwanted messages to women who allegedly told jim they were unwanted, right? If true, that's really creepy,

    And who cares about Vitter?  Using the excuse that "they did it too and nothing happened" is a child's argument.  Yes, Vitter should be gone, but he's not and we move on. If we are going to buy the "they do it too" argument, then we have to buy it in all situations.

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    I don't understand why it's so (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:38:41 PM EST
    hard for people to see the difference between two people contracting for, consenting to and engaging in any kind of sexual activity, whether that activity is "real" or "virtual," and one person imposing himself in a sexual way on someone who hadn't asked to be engaged in that kind of exchange, did nothing to indicate that's what she was interested in, and didn't reciprocate the overtures.

    There's a little matter of consent which seems to be absent from a number of Anthony Weiner's communications.

    With Vitter and Clinton, there was no indication that what took place between the parties was anything other than mutual - the same cannot be said for what Anthony Weiner was doing: that's the difference and the source of the problem.

    If I'm on an elevator with a man, and I speak to him in a congenial fashion - "isn't this heat we're having just awful" - "can't believe it's Monday again" - and he chooses to respond by unzipping his pants,  and presenting his genitals as if they were some kind of prize, I'm calling the cops on his ass.

    No one gets the this-is-my-private-life exemption when he fails to get the consent of the other people involved before proceeding to impose his sexual needs on them.

    In 2011, I would have hoped that would be more of a "duh" moment than an occasion to once again act as if it doesn't matter that any of these women were not willing participants in the "flirting."  And that we're even calling what Weiner did with these women who were trying to relate to him as a member of Congress "flirting" is even more depressing.

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    to be clear, i'm not sure (none / 0) (#94)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:18:57 PM EST
    that all of the women who did not want to receive the sexts/photos told him that these were unwanted

    Ginger Lee, for example, said she just ignored his attempts to sexualize their online conversations

    apparently she was expecting Weiner to take the hint, & apparently he chose not to - unless he thought that, you know, all his messages about his "package" just somehow hadn't managed to make their way through the Intertoobz

    but here are two questions that still need answers

    one, if sexts/sexting overtures & junk shots are a congressman's perfectly acceptable response to a citizen's tweets about the congressman's political stands, then why didn't any of Rep. Weiner's male followers receive the sexts/sexting overtures & junk shots?

    two, if sexts/sexting overtures & junk shots are simply to be expected from a tweeting congressman like Rep. Weiner, then why did he coach Ms. Lee on how to lie about his online contacts with her?


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    What Weiner did (none / 0) (#150)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:10:25 PM EST
    was neither private nor intimate.  

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    NYT blog: will Rep. Weiner's wife (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:07:33 PM EST
    stand by his side as he announces his resignation?  But my question:  can't his office just issue a press release?  

    Nope, but some jerk in the audience (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:31:45 PM EST
    for the announcement kept heckling him about, I think, the size of his equipment - and I think I heard the word, "pervert" a couple of times.

    Weiner's statement was short, but gracious and humble.


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    humble? (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:55:25 PM EST
    he said he was resigning "most importantly, so that I can continue to heal from the damage that I have caused"

    emphasis added

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    He didn't say it, but I took that to be a (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:15:32 PM EST
    reference to him going into treatment, not that no one else has any healing to do as a result of this.

    He also put quite a bit of emphasis on the "I" in "the damage I have caused," so, hey, at least he didn't speak in the passive voice and refer to "the damage that has been caused."

    And he stood up in public instead of just issuing a statement, which would have been the easy way out.

    It will be interesting to see how the evening news coverage on the networks gets around the heckler - maybe showing just video of him at the podium while the anchor/reporter reads portions of the statement?

    Also, I could be wrong, but I thought that at the end of the CNN coverage I watched, which was blessedly missing the Wolf Blitzer commentary, someone from CNN in the room was trying to get Ginger Lee on tape - could she actually have been in attendance?

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    Politics (none / 0) (#63)
    by lentinel on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:32:48 PM EST
    The way he started his speech, referring to his mother, his father, the "hardworking" "patriotic" people in the 9th district, twenty years ago when I first stood here....

    It was like he was either running for something, or had just run for something.

    Then he got to the I'm resigning part.

    He should have just resigned.

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    While it could be argued that if (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    he'd been thinking about that group of people in the first place, he might have been able to avoid standing at that podium, I do think he needed to acknowledge them; or maybe we've now reached the point of "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't," and it wouldn't have mattered what he said - someone would find fault and take issue with it.

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    Gross... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:09:58 PM EST
    I can's say I expect anybody to think of their parents or their employers at such intimate moments...yuck!

    (Kidding, Kidding:)

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    He (none / 0) (#66)
    by lentinel on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:48:34 PM EST
    could have just apologized to them.

    The "hardworking patriotic" description just felt like so much hogwash.

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    There are a million things he could have (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:13:19 PM EST
    done; but he is leaving, and if he wants to hang on to the few shreds of dignity he thinks he still has, who am I to insist that he grovel to me?  At some point, insisting on more and more public abasement and humiliation starts to venture into pulling-the-wings-off-flies territory.

    I don't hate Anthony Weiner; he's going to have a hard enough time dealing with the jokes that are making the rounds.  The one that arrived in my In Box this morning was: Anthony Weiner announces his candidacy for president, asking Eric Holder to be his VP-running mate: Weiner-Holder 2012.

     

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    I Don't Care About AW, He Made His Bed, but... (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:14:49 PM EST
    ... I really feel for his wife.  She's in the middle of a nightmare, income cut in half, baby on the way, and an unemployeed idiot for a husband.

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    I (none / 0) (#87)
    by lentinel on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:02:10 PM EST
    was not asking that he grovel.

    I don't care about his dignity.
    I think what he did was very undignified and marginally violent.

    He might or might not do well in treatment.

    I'm not pulling the wings off flies.
    I don't want to torture the guy.

    I thought he would done us and himself a favor if he had just resigned.

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    Weiner is deeply of this (none / 0) (#95)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:23:03 PM EST
    district and this community, which is a mixed and mostly blue-collar one.  We're used to hearing those phrases mouthed as sort of rote statements, but from what I know of Weiner, he feels this pretty strongly.


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    Yeah, what a masochist. (none / 0) (#40)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:10:14 PM EST
    Or publicity hound. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:13:09 PM EST
    Just read this comment elsewhere:  I am resigning to spend more time w/my p*nis.  

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    Inquiring minds want to know when he (none / 0) (#43)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:15:35 PM EST
    will show up on the TV show of his former college roommate.

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    I would predict NOT. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:26:27 PM EST
    Wolf Blitzer (none / 0) (#49)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:37:31 PM EST
    from Richard Adams's live blog of the presser:

    "I'd much rather be discussing economic issues ... than talking about this," says Wolf Blitzer on CNN, more in sorrow than in truth. I mean, anger.


    Nobody put a gun to his head (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:44:58 PM EST
    Although I do like the image. (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:46:09 PM EST
    Why don't you sext it to someone? (none / 0) (#53)
    by observed on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:46:42 PM EST
    Who would care? (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:49:25 PM EST
    Exactly (none / 0) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:15:59 PM EST
    Clarification: the image I like is of (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:32:47 PM EST
    someone holding a gun to an on-air commentator's head:  you vill talk about Rep. Weiner!

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    which "head"? ;) (none / 0) (#65)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:45:44 PM EST
    Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by lentinel on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:03:34 PM EST
    That Blitzer is all about in depth coverage of important issues...

    LOL

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    Anthony you were a mark, (none / 0) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:01:28 PM EST
    but congressional texting is not a lark,
    we expected you to be keener,
    especially when your name is Weiner,
    even worse than this verse,
    and unlike Spitzer,
    you lied to Blitzer.


    Sorry. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:08:23 PM EST
    Double is not necessarily your pleasure,
    should have taken better measure,
    apparently not as good at "post",
    as most.

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    No worries... (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:31:08 PM EST
    its only a scratch,
    such errs are easily hatched.
    I still say your keener,
    than Anthony Weiner,
    at least their was no junk attached.

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    hmmmm...... (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by ZtoA on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:16 AM EST
    There once was a man jumped an "E" cliff,
    who showed the whole world he could be stiff.
    A macho man "E" mail,
    Can't prove he's a real male,
    Till all double click 'Scratch'n "E" Sniff'.

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    VERY sophisticated! (none / 0) (#132)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 01:14:24 AM EST
    thanks! this is so fun,... (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by ZtoA on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 02:04:56 AM EST
    and I'm a visual person and definitely not a linguistic person, but forms are forms.... (and fun is fun) so here is my second try at a limerick:

    A man who's last name should be Winer,
    Tweeted, but he should wine 'n dine 'er.
    He did't know who
    He attempted to woo
    Let's hope for his sake she's(n't) a minor!

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    Gloria Allred (none / 0) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:03:07 PM EST
    Nailed the coffin, once I heard her name I knew everyone with a lick of sense was going to head for the hills.

    She is the last name you want to hear if you are a male and in a scandal that involves a female because it's going to front page news, even if it isn't front page news.

    a scandal that "involves" a female (none / 0) (#81)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:28:36 PM EST
    priceless

    hey, i see that Gloria Allred is old & has a double chin too

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    I wonder if her (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:20:05 PM EST
    va jay jay is all dried up and if she is bitter about it.  What do you think?

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    Get Over Yourself (none / 0) (#137)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02:16 PM EST
    It wouldn't matter if it was a guy, or a goat, GA brings the press and so far she just happens to represent women, so if the scandal involved a man, her name probably won't be an issue.

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    riyf (none / 0) (#139)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 12:43:25 PM EST
    those were "ironic" quotes

    think about it

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    speaking of tweets (none / 0) (#114)
    by dead dancer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:53:25 PM EST


    speaking of tweets (none / 0) (#115)
    by dead dancer on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 08:54:46 PM EST