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The Missed Moment

Kevin Drum writes:

The financial crisis of 2008 was a stupendous event, and it's frankly stunning to me how few people seem to have responded to it in any substantive way. Occasional throat clearing aside, it's been business as usual for a huge chunk of the political, business, and pundit class, especially on the right.

I just don't get that. The Great Collapse was a big enough, and unexpected enough, event that it should have changed your mind at least a little bit about something. If it didn't, you either have godlike powers of prognostication or else you've simply decided not to let real world events ever affect your worldview. I'm willing to put money on the latter.

What always amazes me about progressive bloggers writng things like this is how little they connect President Obama and Treasury Secretary Geithner to this. I have 4 letters for Kevin - H-A-M-P. Obama and Geithner claim it was a success. The latest NYTimes poll says that "Americans are more pessimistic about the nation’s economic outlook and overall direction than they have been at any time since President Obama’s first two months in office." Geithner tells Obama "all is well." It isn't.

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    $$$ Talks, BS Walks (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by BDB on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 08:58:32 AM EST
    It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair

    Obama is president because he had Wall Street's backing early.  It's why he chose Geithner.  It's why the response to the crisis wasn't ever going to be strong.  In fact, as corrupt as Congress is, it was still willing to take harsher steps against the banks than the WH (see, for example, here).  Obama was always going to choose the banks over the people.  (see, e.g,, here).

    And now Obama will raise his billion dollars for re-election and people like Drum will tell one and all we need to vote for him to save us from the awful GOP (which would, of course, do exactly the same thing Obama is doing on the big issues).

    And, yes, BTD, you're right (none / 0) (#2)
    by BDB on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:01:02 AM EST
    The moment was missed.  It was deliberately avoided by our leaders.  

    And, IMO, progressives like Drum missed it for the same reason Obama and company avoided it - not good for the health of the Beltway career.

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    Argh (none / 0) (#3)
    by BDB on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:01:18 AM EST
    The moment was NOT missed.

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    We can't have jobs until (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:30:20 AM EST
    the deficit is under control.

    "At the beginning of your term you spent a lot of time talking about job creation and the road to economic recovery," the questioner told the president. "Since then, we've seen the conversation shift from that of job creation and economic recovery to that of spending cuts and the deficit."

    "I would love to know your thoughts on how you're going to balance these two going forward, or even potentially shift the conversation back," she added.

    Obama said that unless lawmakers get the country's long-term finances under control, more immediate economic gains could prove difficult.

    "If we don't have a serious plan to tackle the debt and the deficit, that could actually end up being a bigger drag on the economy than anything else," Obama said. link

    In order to reduce the deficit, we need to lower the tax rates for corporations which might create jobs.

    U.S. companies might hire more workers if the U.S. were to cut the tax rate on cash that companies bring home from foreign subsidiaries, PepsiCo Inc. Chief Executive Officer Indra Nooyi said.
    ....
    As part of their budget plan passed last week, House Republicans want to cut the corporate tax rate to 25% from 35%. The Obama administration and many Democrats also are looking to slice the current rate, but not as much. link

    Nice to have a president who sells cutting or giving up safety net programs and tax cuts as a "job creation" program.

    They have money (none / 0) (#7)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:39:05 AM EST
    I have read in several articles that corporations are awash in money. They're sitting on it because consumer spending is down. They see no reason to hire more people until there's a demand for their products.

    So how is giving them more money and increasing the deficit with less tax revenue going to help?

    Until the job market increases and salaries quit being depressed we can't recover.

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    What you say is true (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:55:00 AM EST
    Yet, truth is not what either party is selling. Lowering taxes and cutting needed domestic programs is the bipartisan plan of the politicians in D.C. They and their savvy friends are doing just fine and dandy. Getting richer by the hour. Filling their campaign coffers with some of that excess corporate cash is their priority.

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    Well, according to a report in the NYT, (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 10:18:19 AM EST
    President Obama took some front-line criticism at S.F.'s St.Regis Hotel (a breakfast for 150, at up to $35,800 to attend).  A women stood and led her table of 10 in a song. The Chorus:"We paid our dues, where's our change?"  But they also sang, We'll vote for you in 2012. Yes, that's true. Look at the Republicans--what else can we do?

    Mr. Obama said "That was a nice song".  If I were him, I would like it too.

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    Nice song but they gave away any (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 10:38:36 AM EST
    power that they may have had to change the situation.

    Others tell the president "Do it our way or we will spend millions to fund the opposition and vote for them."

    Dem activists tell the president "We would like you to do it our way but will vote for you regardless of your actions." Wonder which argument will prevail.

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    True, as long as they keep (none / 0) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 12:12:30 PM EST
    singing that tune, what's to change.

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    Not to mention the fact that Obama (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 12:35:09 PM EST
    was so impressed by their performance that he declared Manning guilty as charged, not by trial, but by presidential decree.  

    OBAMA: So people can have philosophical views [about Bradley Manning] but I can't conduct diplomacy on an open source [basis]... That's not how the world works.

    And if you're in the military... And I have to abide by certain rules of classified information. If I were to release material I weren't allowed to, I'd be breaking the law.

    We're a nation of laws! We don't let individuals make their own decisions about how the laws operate. He broke the law. link

    Only presidents and their minions, are above the law and can at will disregard both the law and the constitution rights of the citizens of this country. BTW, when is Cheney going to join Manning? How about all those people who are quoted as anonymous sources in the media because the data is classified? Releasing classified information is just fine and dandy as long as it promotes whatever propaganda that the government wants to sell at any given moment.  

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    So Drum's worried about the right? (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by TJBuff on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:32:00 AM EST
    They're not out of touch.  They reaped all of the benefits pre-crash and then got Obama to do their dirty work for bailouts.  I'm guessing Drum is the one out of touch.

    Goog lord, what part of (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 11:34:36 AM EST
    They got bailed out does he not understand?

    The financial crisis of 2008 was a stupendous event, and it's frankly stunning to me how few people seem to have responded to it in any substantive way. Occasional throat clearing aside, it's been business as usual for a huge chunk of the political, business, and pundit class, especially on the right.

    Why should anything change for the bailed out classes? It has changed circumstances and thinking hugely for those of us that did not get bailed out.

    no kidding (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by dandelion on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 12:50:25 PM EST
    There are those who are To Big to Fail -- and then there are the rest of us -- the ones who are Too Small To Matter.

    That's the clearest statement coming out of Washington in response to the 2008 crisis.

    My husband's business went bankrupt as a direct result of the 2008 credit crunch.  Needless to say, we were not bailed out.  Now we're at 50% of the income level we were at in 2008, while Wall Stree it awash in billions of tax-payer supplied bonus money.  

    This year when we paid our taxes, I couldn't sort out if I should make the check out to AIG or Goldman Sachs.

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    Helping the common man (none / 0) (#20)
    by ruffian on Sat Apr 23, 2011 at 09:56:33 AM EST
    gets the Moral Hazard Police in an uproar though so sorry, no help for you.  Only those that were immoral to begin with and caused the mess get the help.

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    Insulated (none / 0) (#4)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:05:55 AM EST
    Their world hasn't collapsed so they see nothing wrong. The wealthy in this country are doing just fine. This has been just a minor market adjustment to them.

    The Senate is a millionaire's club and the members of the House aren't that far behind. As long as we have representatives that live in this alternate universe we'll continue to see contempt for the lower class and totally apathy towards the middle.

    Agreed. I just argued exactly this (none / 0) (#10)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 10:20:19 AM EST
    in a fruitless debate with the sort of voter who will vote for Obama based on the point that this voter made again and again when he had no real answer:  But, but, the Repubs running are worse.

    Will there be enough of such voters this time for Obama to win?  Or will there be more like me, who -- as I said in the debate -- can be won to vote, and to vote for Obama, if he would get rid of Geithner, et al.?  Their school of thought on economics, and Obama's unthinking fealty to their thinking, is exactly what worried me most in 2008.  Now it's 2011, and he has learned nothing.

    As I read the results of that poll that found such pessimism among Americans, and as I also read some state-by-state results of that poll, Obama has to wake up and do something major to restore confidence -- because the Electoral College is won state by state.

    Hahaha (none / 0) (#11)
    by lilburro on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 10:21:15 AM EST
    the continuing dissolution of David Frum!

    I cannot take seriously the idea that the worst thing that has happened in the past three years is that government got bigger. Or that money was borrowed. Or that the number of people on food stamps and unemployment insurance and Medicaid increased. The worst thing was that tens of millions of Americans -- and not only Americans -- were plunged into unemployment, foreclosure, poverty. If food stamps and unemployment insurance, and Medicaid mitigated those disasters, then two cheers for food stamps, unemployment insurance, and Medicaid.

    If you need to be bipartisan then get David Frum to travel around with you Obama.  The Obama Administration has not done a very good job at defending its achievements (Recovery Act, middle class tax cuts, etc.)

    "Whose bread I eat, his song I sing" (none / 0) (#13)
    by SeeEmDee on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 11:18:20 AM EST
    People wonder why he isn't singing the song of the electorate? It's because, just as Georgie before him, he'd pimped himself to the Masters of the Universe, long ago.

    The 'Moment' was there...but there was never any intent on the part of Obama or his coterie to take advantage of it. His leash is very short indeed...

    The Masters (none / 0) (#19)
    by cal1942 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 09:57:01 PM EST
    of the Universe are in Georgies social circle, Obama's their fool and hireling.

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    This is odd: (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 22, 2011 at 11:25:42 AM EST
    it should have changed your mind at least a little bit about something.