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Using the BTD "coherency" :-) standard (that he is applying in Libya) on BTD's position regarding the war in Afghanistan one can ask (1) N. Korea and China have nukes. Both countries have spread nuke technology to other countries. So why Afghanistan and not N. Korea or China? Cmon BTD, we have a lot of work to do to make sure that all loose nukes in any part of the world have to be secured. So when are we starting a war in China, N. Korea and former Soviet republics that have loose nukes? (2) If we could not start in war in every country that had loose nukes, why did we go to Afghanistan and Pakistan (akin to the odd argument that if massacres by every dictator cannot be prevented, no attempt should be made to prevent one that can be) (3) Obama said that he was sending troops to AfPak to eradicate Al Qaeda and Taliban threats but also said that he would co-opt the Taliban wherever possible in Afghanistan's govt. So what was it? Was the Taliban and Al Qaeda going to be eradicated or co-opted? Did anyone see the coherency that BTD saw? (4) If the Al Qaeda and Taliban sought refuge in Pakistan and the President said that he was not going to take whatever it took to eradicate them in Pakistan (including bombing Pakistani cities and sending ground troops), did it mean that the AfPak mission lacked coherency because it was going to do too little? How did BTD support it? (5) Did anyone see the coherency that BTD saw in dealing with Karzai? Parent
I did see sucker punch though! And I agree with your take. It was funny I went with my sister and neither one of us really knew what it was about, honestly you talking about it here is why I suggested it.
We didn't really know what to think, other than we liked it.
It's following the trend I've noticed in movies lately (or maybe it's just the ones I've been seeing) in that it was original, non-formulaic, and I didn't see the ending coming. Refreshing. Then again, all the previews I saw were for sequels, including Pirates of the Carribean version 267 - can't we just let that ship drown already? Parent
I ask in all seriousness, since, as I understand it, the mission is restricted to "civilian protection." Are "civilians" the people just trying to go about their daily lives, or are they the rebels with guns? Does going after Gaddafi's forces fall within the stated mission? I'm assuming the answer there is "yes" as long as those forces are threatening civilian populations. Are we taking the position that just because Gaddafi's forces have the ability to harm civilians, pretty much anything we do that takes those forces out, or affects their ability to function, is okay?
At what point does the mission that's been explained to the American people become a mission we said we weren't going to get involved in? How much "creep" do we allow before the mission has officially -or unofficially, changed?
As you can see, I have no answers - just questions. Questions that didn't get answered in the president's remarks last night.
Does anyone know the answers?
Hillary Clinton has paved the way for the United States to arm the Libyan rebels by declaring that the recent UN security council resolution relaxed an arms embargo on the country. As Libya's opposition leaders called for the international community to arm them, the secretary of state indicated that the US was considering whether to meet their demands when she talked of a "work in progress". The US indicated on Monday night that it had not ruled out arming the rebels, though it was assumed this would take some time because of a UN arms embargo which applies to all sides in Libya. But Clinton made clear that UN security council resolution 1973, which allowed military strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's regime, relaxed the embargo. Speaking after the conference on Libya in London, Clinton said: "It is our interpretation that [resolution] 1973 amended or overrode the absolute prohibition of arms to anyone in Libya so that there could be legitimate transfer of arms if a country were to choose to do that. We have not made that decision at this time."
As Libya's opposition leaders called for the international community to arm them, the secretary of state indicated that the US was considering whether to meet their demands when she talked of a "work in progress".
The US indicated on Monday night that it had not ruled out arming the rebels, though it was assumed this would take some time because of a UN arms embargo which applies to all sides in Libya.
But Clinton made clear that UN security council resolution 1973, which allowed military strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's regime, relaxed the embargo. Speaking after the conference on Libya in London, Clinton said: "It is our interpretation that [resolution] 1973 amended or overrode the absolute prohibition of arms to anyone in Libya so that there could be legitimate transfer of arms if a country were to choose to do that. We have not made that decision at this time."
Someone's got to help me out here: does arming rebels fall into the category of "limited" mission? Is this the "humanitarian" part of the mission?
I've got to say that I am getting a very bad feeling about this. Parent
What makes us so sure that we will not repeat the same mistake in Libya. What makes us think these rebels are going to LOVE us for destroying their country from the air. especially after Gaddafi is gone (if he is gone in reasonable time), then the new govt, has to rebuild and reconstruct their civil and political infrastructure with out supervision from the same forces, who invested millions of dollars worth of tomahawk missiles in that country.
This whole thing is a mess - totally unnecessary. anyone cutting this president slack please imagine for a minute if it was a republican president doing this instead of Obama.. Parent
"We have not made any decision about arming the rebels or providing any arms transfers. So there has not been any need to discuss that at this point." said Clinton.
And this quote from Clinton adds: "This coalition military action will continue until Gaddafi fully complies with the terms of 1973, ceases his attacks on civilians, pulls his troops back from places they have forcibly entered and allows key services and humanitarian assistance to reach all civilians."
Glad to help you out. Parent
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She was my choice in 2008 anyway. I just reframe it as Warrior Woman! Parent
US President Barack Obama hasn't ruled out arming Libyan rebels as they seek to make territorial gains and overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. "I'm not ruling it out. But I'm also not ruling it in. We're still making an assessment partly about what Gaddafi's forces are going to be doing," Obama said in an NBC interview on Tuesday." link
"I'm not ruling it out. But I'm also not ruling it in. We're still making an assessment partly about what Gaddafi's forces are going to be doing," Obama said in an NBC interview on Tuesday." link
A foreign national was indicted yesterday for allegedly illegally importing an unmanned spy plane into the U.S., and then trying to resell it on eBay. According to a press release from the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement service, Henson Chua of the Philippines was indicted and charged by a grand jury in Tampa with violating the Arms Export Control Act and smuggling. Chua is accused of importing an RQ-11B "Raven" Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) from the Philippines into the U.S., which is listed on the U.S. Munitions List as a defensive item, "without having first obtained from the U.S. Department of State a license or written authorization." He then "aided and abetted the attempted export" of the same UAV. link
According to a press release from the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement service, Henson Chua of the Philippines was indicted and charged by a grand jury in Tampa with violating the Arms Export Control Act and smuggling. Chua is accused of importing an RQ-11B "Raven" Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) from the Philippines into the U.S., which is listed on the U.S. Munitions List as a defensive item, "without having first obtained from the U.S. Department of State a license or written authorization." He then "aided and abetted the attempted export" of the same UAV. link
I don't know about you but the "Raven" looks a lot like those remote control planes my son and grandsons used to play with. Parent
Today my son had to put down his sweet, sweet funny Chocolate Lab. I guess that makes her my granddog. I love my dogs, but a better dog than his girl you will never meet.
As strong as you were, tender you go. I'm watching you breathing for the last time. A song for your heart, but when it is quiet, I know what it means and I'll carry you home.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Parent
I couldn't be there, but we just Skyped her a proper wake. Parent
But I understood why the question was asked. Private Manning's family, joined by a number of human rights organisations, has questioned the extremely restrictive conditions he has experienced at the brig at Marine Corps base Quantico, Virginia. I focused on the fact that he was forced to sleep naked, which led to a circumstance where he stood naked for morning call. Based on 30 years of government experience, if you have to explain why a guy is standing naked in the middle of a jail cell, you have a policy in need of urgent review. The Pentagon was quick to point out that no women were present when he did so, which is completely beside the point. Our strategic narrative connects our policies to our interests, values and aspirations. While what we do, day in and day out, is broadly consistent with the universal principles we espouse, individual actions can become disconnected. Every once in a while, even a top-notch symphony strikes a discordant note. So it is in this instance. The Pentagon has said that it is playing the Manning case by the book. The book tells us what actions we can take, but not always what we should do. Actions can be legal and still not smart. With the Manning case unfolding in a fishbowl-like environment, going strictly by the book is not good enough. Private Manning's overly restrictive and even petty treatment undermines what is otherwise a strong legal and ethical position. When the United States leads by example, we are not trying to win a popularity contest. Rather, we are pursuing our long-term strategic interest. The United States cannot expect others to meet international standards if we are seen as falling short. [snip] I stand by what I said. The United States should set the global standard for treatment of its citizens - and then exceed it. It is what the world expects of us. It is what we should expect of ourselves.
Based on 30 years of government experience, if you have to explain why a guy is standing naked in the middle of a jail cell, you have a policy in need of urgent review. The Pentagon was quick to point out that no women were present when he did so, which is completely beside the point.
Our strategic narrative connects our policies to our interests, values and aspirations. While what we do, day in and day out, is broadly consistent with the universal principles we espouse, individual actions can become disconnected. Every once in a while, even a top-notch symphony strikes a discordant note. So it is in this instance.
The Pentagon has said that it is playing the Manning case by the book. The book tells us what actions we can take, but not always what we should do. Actions can be legal and still not smart. With the Manning case unfolding in a fishbowl-like environment, going strictly by the book is not good enough. Private Manning's overly restrictive and even petty treatment undermines what is otherwise a strong legal and ethical position.
When the United States leads by example, we are not trying to win a popularity contest. Rather, we are pursuing our long-term strategic interest. The United States cannot expect others to meet international standards if we are seen as falling short. [snip] I stand by what I said. The United States should set the global standard for treatment of its citizens - and then exceed it. It is what the world expects of us. It is what we should expect of ourselves.
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I stand by what I said. The United States should set the global standard for treatment of its citizens - and then exceed it. It is what the world expects of us. It is what we should expect of ourselves.
This is someone who does not agree with what Manning is accused of doing, but who nevertheless understands the bigger picture.
well put.
I swear, no more. Gotta go work. Parent
Think of the money we could save! Parent
They'd run away screaming. :) Parent
"I've seen younger faces on cash" he goes...the boy is good. Parent
Meanwhile, in not-awesome news, this Fox idiot was among the first to stir up the socialism charge as part of a concerted effort to elect McCain. Will he be fired? Probably not.
Innocent man does 20 years for a rape he did not commit...gets released via DNA testing, gets engaged to his high school sweetheart 30 years later, finds a job, waiting on his fat settlement check and better days...then dies on his new job in a mining accident.
Talk about some bad, bad luck...but at least he got a taste of the freedom he was wrongly denied before he passed.
His heirs better get that 500 large from the guilty people of Nebraska...thats all I'm saying. Or a prisoners charity or something...I want that check cut! Add a zero or two even! Parent
Where o' where is the "tough on crime" brigade when you really need them:) Parent
I'm curious what the other defendants got in their pleas. Parent
I know we like to kid ourselves that we have nothing to do with such tragedies when they occur...but we're the kingpins of this particular brand of crime wave. Parent
I am ashamed to be a member of the human race but I don't want to add any more to that shame, I want to scrape a little of it off.
"Horses don't bet on people and neither do I."
On my home I pass by at least two human beings in some kind of costume holding a sign for taxes, or cash checking, and even Little Caesar's Pizza.
It bugs me to no end, some are in gorilla costumes, or dressed like Uncle Same, and even the Little Caesar dude.
In Houston yesterday it was 85, but these guys are out there year round, even when the scales hit 100. On one hand, maybe they are glad to have a job, but it just seems so demeaning that I can't imagine putting someone in a costume on a busy corner and make then jump around with the sign.
Is this happening in other cities ? I just don't ever remember seeing this until about 3 years ago.
Slow day and I am tired of politics.
I saw a chicken once standing there for a new chicken place.
Mostly teenagers, but some older folks (meaning, "older than teens"). Parent
And let me tell you - standing in a costume is a better gig than having to clean the men's room at a Wendy's when you're 16 and female. (Part of my first job) Parent
For my summer job I was a valet at the ritz. I got to drive porsches and benzes all day.
Plus, talk about odds. I was one of 4 women in a company of 400 people. Now that's a minimum wage job we can all aspire to :) Parent
Quite a shock! Parent
I had to clean up numerous top deckers. And every school had a mad ***, or a guy that took great pleasure in defecating anywhere but the bathroom. I even read about them popping in from time to time at the workplace, not mine thankfully.
And of course, the man's last bastion of total freedom, the porta-potty. Parent
An action not to be taken lightly...serious business an Upper Decker....not to be over-used and abused like the taser. Parent
And a public service announcement from the industry...please flush nothing besides toilet paper and waste down the toilet. No paper towels, no hygiene products, and definitely no rubbers...all that goes in the trash can. The super thanks you in advance...believe me:) Parent
And yes as someone mentioned, some of them seem to really make a show of it.
And I am pretty sure the Disney characters are unionized and highly trained people making a very good wage, sans the groper they seem to discover about once a year. Parent
The school of thought that " we can't help everywhere doesn't mean we can't help somewhere", especially those somewheres where it is easy or does not anger an ally, weighs the value of, and orders priorities for, the humans to be saved. If, however, the reason for military intervention (which will in the process save or protect lives) is geopolitical or strategically important for our country, foreign policy can permit us a situational choice and thereby, presents justifiable inconsistency.
No Sir, there is no unanimity among Americans regarding the things that constitutes geopolitically strategic for our country. For eg: I think it is of strategic importance for us to let the price of oil go higher and higher so that we are forced to become less dependent on foreign oil and develop alternate energy technology in our country. However, many people in this blog would not take kindly to the situation of rising oil prices. Besides this whole argument about strategic choices regarding foreign policy and moral choices regarding domestic policy (Kissinger foreign policy and Mother Teresa domestic policy)has always appeared ludicrous to me. It is disturbing that it is so ingrained in some people in this blog. Parent
This is getting really complicated.
...we could have spent that money on many great things here at home. For example, we could have: * Provided private health insurance this year for over 42,000 families; * Provided 17,000 Americans with jobs; * Fully paid for about 10,000 students to attend four years at a public university; * Paid off the state of Oklahoma's projected 2012 budget short fall. link
* Provided private health insurance this year for over 42,000 families; * Provided 17,000 Americans with jobs; * Fully paid for about 10,000 students to attend four years at a public university; * Paid off the state of Oklahoma's projected 2012 budget short fall. link
And
after the criminal prosecutions are safely relegated to history, and the mutants are shipped to prison for a long, long time, commence civil proceedings for the purpose of recovering the trillions of dollars of their ill-gotten gains.
Result:
The Dutch are upset with their bailed out bankers and their bonuses, and are not at all impressed with the threat that the banks can't find the right talent without bonuses. The bankers' response that high remuneration is vital to retain talent and prevent Dutch financiers from defecting to overseas banks is given short shrift by Polhout. He says: "Let them go abroad if they don't like it here, there are plenty of clever people who will take their place and work for less. Good riddance, as far as I am concerned." Moderate opinion in Holland seems united in its belief that banks which received state aid should not be shelling out bonuses. And Dutch parliamentarians are saying the same thing, demanding the government take immediate action. ING may have made a net profit last year of more than 3bn, but it still owes the taxpayer 5bn. So how did the Dutch win the day? They threatened to move their money from ING which forced the bank to reconsider the bonuses. link
The bankers' response that high remuneration is vital to retain talent and prevent Dutch financiers from defecting to overseas banks is given short shrift by Polhout. He says: "Let them go abroad if they don't like it here, there are plenty of clever people who will take their place and work for less. Good riddance, as far as I am concerned." Moderate opinion in Holland seems united in its belief that banks which received state aid should not be shelling out bonuses. And Dutch parliamentarians are saying the same thing, demanding the government take immediate action. ING may have made a net profit last year of more than 3bn, but it still owes the taxpayer 5bn.
Moderate opinion in Holland seems united in its belief that banks which received state aid should not be shelling out bonuses. And Dutch parliamentarians are saying the same thing, demanding the government take immediate action. ING may have made a net profit last year of more than 3bn, but it still owes the taxpayer 5bn.
So how did the Dutch win the day? They threatened to move their money from ING which forced the bank to reconsider the bonuses. link
It dramatizes Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson - and the whole aluminum tubes - uranium from Niger bullsh*t scene that the Bush administration put over on us.
There are clips of Cheney and Bush - and Condi Rice - all lying their heads off - and scaring us to death.
Watching the clips -- they are sort of convincing. The only thing that you can rely on is your gut - and watching these people - your gut tells you that they are lying.
But you're scared.
In some way - things haven't changed. The b.s. that comes from our leaders is convincingly presented. But you just know that they are lying.
And it really exposes what went on without being preachy.
It is scary. Parent
The water out of reactor two has measured 1,000 millisieverts per hour -- four times the recently-hiked total exposure limit for emergency staff, and a level that can cause radiation sickness with nausea and vomiting in an hour. The immediate challenge is to safely dispose of the massive amounts of contaminated water -- the tunnel near reactor two alone holds 6,000 cubic metres (212,000 cubic feet), more than two Olympic swimming pools.
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Meanwhile, in hearings on Capitol Hill about the safety of nuclear power....
Top nuclear officials gave senators some tentative optimistic news, saying that the Fukushima plant appears to be in the early stages of recovery.
Those are the folks in charge of protecting us.
As Michael Kane writes: In the wake of the continuing nuclear tragedy in Japan, the United States government is still moving quickly to increase the amounts of radiation the population can "safely" absorb by raising the safe zone for exposure to levels designed to protect the government and nuclear industry more than human life. It's all about cutting costs now as the infinite-growth paradigm sputters and moves towards extinction. As has been demonstrated by government conduct in the Gulf of Mexico in the wake of Deepwater Horizon and in Japan, life has taken a back seat to cost-cutting and public relations posturing.The game plan now appears to be to protect government and the nuclear industry from "excessive costs"... at any cost. * In 1992, the EPA produced a PAGs manual that answers many of these questions. But now an update to the 1992 manual is being planned, and if the "Dr. Strangelove" wing of the EPA has its way, here is what it means (brace yourself for these ludicrous increases): * A nearly 1000-fold increase for exposure to strontium-90; * A 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to iodine-131; and * An almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive nickel-63. The new radiation guidelines would also allow long-term cleanup thresholds thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever judged safe in the past. link
In the wake of the continuing nuclear tragedy in Japan, the United States government is still moving quickly to increase the amounts of radiation the population can "safely" absorb by raising the safe zone for exposure to levels designed to protect the government and nuclear industry more than human life. It's all about cutting costs now as the infinite-growth paradigm sputters and moves towards extinction. As has been demonstrated by government conduct in the Gulf of Mexico in the wake of Deepwater Horizon and in Japan, life has taken a back seat to cost-cutting and public relations posturing.The game plan now appears to be to protect government and the nuclear industry from "excessive costs"... at any cost.
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In 1992, the EPA produced a PAGs manual that answers many of these questions. But now an update to the 1992 manual is being planned, and if the "Dr. Strangelove" wing of the EPA has its way, here is what it means (brace yourself for these ludicrous increases):
* A nearly 1000-fold increase for exposure to strontium-90; * A 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to iodine-131; and * An almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive nickel-63.
The new radiation guidelines would also allow long-term cleanup thresholds thousands of times more lax than anything EPA has ever judged safe in the past. link
watched them do this during the melamine prob after they discovered it got into livestock (chicken, think Ty$on iirc) feed and farmed fish . . . . please don't look at all the dead pets and keep on keep on movin' on please! And heck, they've already done it in Japan and nobody's keeled over yet . . . . must be safe.
makes me wonder about the rain water that filled my buckets and pails in the garden, that I used today, since they are finding this sh*t on the other side of the country . . . so much for an organic garden . . . Parent
When the radiation exceeded the allowable limits, they raised the allowable limits. Parent
Does this number seem absurdly low?