Happy Valentine's Evening Open Thread

Happy Valentine's Day to all our readers. I hope you and your special someone have a very special evening planned. If you do, I hope you'll tell us about it.

If you don't, you can watch Bachelor Brad and the remaining six contestants vie for roses on the beautiful island of Anguilla. It will likely be crazy Michelle's final night. I've always wanted to go to Anguilla so I'm mostly looking forward to the island shots.

If romance isn't your thing, there's always Harry's Law.

Or, you can discuss the budget, or any other topic, your choice.

By the way, what song do you think (and by who) best captures the spirit of Valentine's Day?

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    Nobody did love songs... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 08:21:12 PM EST
    like Otis Redding.

    Bob Marley could bring it too.

    Happy V-Day party people.

    For a lesser known... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:52:06 AM EST
    love song, and a personal fave, Venice Shoreline Chris and "Rock Steady"...sang/played this jam to win a fleeting heart or two.

    I don't want to change the world tonight
    just tell me if it feels right darling
    this moment can never repeat
    will you rock steady, steady with me

    I don't wanna have to say goodnight
    not before we see the sunlight darling
    tomorrow can never be seen
    will you rock steady, steady with me

    one of my favorites (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 03:22:32 AM EST
    is Bob Dylan's Wedding Song, from his 1974 album, Planet Waves. I can't find a video of him playing it live, so here are some of the words:

    You breathed on me and made my life a richer one to live
    When I was deep in poverty you taught me how to give
    Dried the tears up from my dreams and pulled me from the hole
    Quenched my thirst and satisfied the burning in my soul

    The tune that is yours and mine to play upon this earth
    We'll play it out the best we know, whatever it is worth

    ...It's never been my duty to remake the world at large
    Nor is it my intention to sound a battle charge
    'Cause I love you more than all of that with a love that doesn't bend
    And if there is eternity I'd love you there again

    Oh, can't you see that you were born to stand by my side
    And I was born to be with you, you were born to be my bride
    You're the other half of what I am, you're the missing piece
    And I love you more than ever with that love that doesn't cease

    You turn the tide on me each day and teach my eyes to see
    Just bein' next to you is a natural thing for me
    And I could never let you go, no matter what goes on
    `Cause I love you more than ever now that the past is gone

    Love that (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 08:13:31 AM EST
    I'll have to find the recording. I've never heard that song.

    Re: "I lied" (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Harry Saxon on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 10:29:09 AM EST

    Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed "Curveball" by German and American intelligence officials, now admits he made up tales of mobile biological weapons trucks and clandestine weapons factories in Iraq, information that was used by the Bush White House to press the case for war. He also says he'd do it again.

    "Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," Janabi told The Guardian. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."


    In a series of meetings with the Guardian in Germany where he has been granted asylum, he said he had told a German official, who he identified as Dr Paul, about mobile bioweapons trucks throughout 2000. He said the BND had identified him as a Baghdad-trained chemical engineer and approached him shortly after 13 March of that year, looking for inside information about Saddam's Iraq.

        "I had a problem with the Saddam regime," he said. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

    Click or TPM Me

    Couldn't the "FHOTA" just be a piece of fabric floating in the wind?

    I assume we saw Hillarys (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:15:44 AM EST
    strong and forceful statement of support for the people of Iran.
    so, in Egypt, where we had a pal she was more than happy to let the strong man stay as long as he felt he needed to.
    in Iran where we have been hoping to/trying to destabilize the leadership, well, thats completely different.
    now we are allllllll Iranians.

    my regard for Hillary has taken a big hit in recent weeks.

    I might add (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:18:56 AM EST
    in Iran where she is far more likely to be encouraging them to walk into a hail of bullets.

    It's a tightrope (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:27:29 AM EST
    Do we encourage them if we are not willing to back it up with our own force? That's what we did to the Kurds many years ago.

    exactly (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:29:35 AM EST
    I am afraid we will encourage them and then abandon them.

    and not just in this case.


    I took a little comfort from the (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:05:40 PM EST
    Egyptian Google exec protest leader who I heard interviewed over the weekend. He was asked what he thought about the US administration conflicting statements over the period of the protests, and he basically said he couldn't care less. It is their revolution, not ours. I think we here probably think we matter a lot more than we do.

    in that case for sure (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    in Iran.  well, I think what we say and do could mean a lot.  especially if it is egg them on and then abandon them.

    Yeah, I know (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:23:30 AM EST
    More than that what has struck me is the hypocrisy of the entire reaction all around from government and press - like it never dawned on anyone that Mubarak was a bad actor until a month ago. I applaud the demonstrators for forcing us to admit what we've know for 30 years.

    very depressing (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:27:59 AM EST
    Agreed (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:29:58 AM EST
    You are not alone on that one, Capt. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:38:12 AM EST
    The contrast between supporting a "good friend" to the US, who has helped us rendition and torture, and prevented democratic reforms, real elections, kept the country in a state of emergency for 30 years - and so on - and being opposed to a neighboring regime that pretty much came off the same assembly line, is pretty hard to reconcile.

    I always knew she was a hard-liner, much more hawkish, but the hypocrisy and the cherry-picking of who is and isn't an enemy based on what's in it for us - hard to respect.

    If there's anyone who still has any illusions about about any of the players in this game, they're probably happier than the rest of us, who are getting the high-def picture and are pretty much appalled at the "warts" that have been revealed.

    That's probably a garbled analogy, but "garbled" is pretty much how the whole thing makes me feel.


    garbled is (none / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:51:31 AM EST
    as good a word as any

    I thought the same thing, Captain (none / 0) (#34)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:52:41 AM EST
    When I heard Hillary's statement on Iran, I thought "What??? Wait a minute.....but, but, but.....Egypt....."  Instant cognitive dissonance here.  Except she's not suffering from it.  Apparently, it's a requirement of the job for most politicians to be perfectly content with holding two (or more) conflicting ideas simultaneously.

    still (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:55:37 AM EST
    a disheartening thing to see.  heros fall hardest I guess.

    She was never my hero when it came (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:05:15 PM EST
    to foreign policy.  She always presented as a Hawk.  It was her stance on domestic issues that drew me in.  And as I've mentioned previously, she wasn't my first choice.  It was Edwards' "Two Americas" theme that first got my support.  

    So you can see I was alwasys doomed and destined for disappointment.

    Didn't think I'd be this alarmed, though.


    I never did consider (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:04:35 PM EST
    Hillary a "hero," actually, and I didn't vote for her in the Primary (but then, I'm a real left-wing DFH and voted for Kucinich).  However, I always respected her more than I did her husband, and would have definitely supported her in the general election if she had won the nomination.  (Yes, I think she's a hawk, but I do think she would have done a better job on health care and a few other things than Obama.)  

    I guess (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:07:32 PM EST
    never understood how hawkish.  it would be hard for me to support her for president now. in a primary I mean.

    Not me (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:05:21 PM EST
    It would still be easy for me.  Hawk she may be, but I don't believe for an instant that she would initiate a war.  And domestic issues are my primary issues.  She got me with "you are not invisible to me".  When she said it I believed it.  And I believe it still.

    Having said that, if there were an alternative that was as insightful, knowledgeable, experienced, hard-working and compassionate as she, but less hawkish, I could be swayed.


    While some of Hillary's comments have (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:31:00 PM EST
    given me pause, I have to consider that she is, in fact, NOT the president, she is the president's Secretary of State; while I would guess she has some latitude, it isn't her job to make policy, but to advise that president and make her case for whatever policies she believes are best - and then carry them out whether they were her choice or not.  Hillary is nothing if not a good and true soldier, who, having made a commitment to her position, will see that commitment through.

    On domestic issues, which, as far as I am concerned, are hugely important - more important than ever, in my opinion -  I do believe she would have been a better advocate for the ordinary person, because that has been her track record since her college days.  Yes, people will remind me of all the corporate donations she's received, but it's still hard to argue with her work on behalf of women and children - something she also continues around the world as SoS.

    Given the opportunity to vote today for Obama or Hillary for president, with full knowledge of the last two years, I would not hesitate to choose Hillary.


    She and Bill (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:45:21 PM EST
    were/are both DLC, Third Way, neoliberal-leaning types.  But I do think that at least some of her domestic policies would have been better than Obama's.  Maybe I'm basing this on her health care ideas back-in-the-day when she headed the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, plus the fact that she was a huge supporter of the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

    A friend of mine worked at (none / 0) (#43)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    a non-profit for AIDS/HIV patients in Colorado.  When she was a completely unknown First Lady of Arkansas, she visited the non-profit.  My friend and a couple of other staff were assigned to her for the day, and they completely expected to waste their time. Instead she asked detailed intensive questions about what worked and why, what was valuable, what were the impediments, etc.  It changed some of how he approached his job thereafter.

    And he is rabid pro-Hilary to this day.  

    She was always focussed on Health Care.  Which is why Bill appointed her in the first place.


    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:11:22 PM EST
    I really do not believe that she would have stood for the half-@ssed, health-insurance-industry-friendly health "care" reform that we wound up with.

    me neither (none / 0) (#46)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:21:06 PM EST
    I believe there are things more (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:33:20 PM EST
    important even than my healthcare.  like the slaughter of innocents.  if I had known what I have seen in the last few days in 2008 I would have been an Obama supporter from the first primary.

    I guess that was badly worded (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:37:40 PM EST
    what I mean is foreign policy would have in this case pretty far outweighed any domestic concerns at least for me.  
    I am stunned and sort of appalled at what we have seen recently.

    Sweetie, because (none / 0) (#55)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:35:25 PM EST
    I am concerned about both wars and domestic concerns. I was a Dennis Kucinich supporter.  Not that I thought that he had a snowball's chance in Hades of winning the Primary, but I could not bring myself to vote for either Clinton or Obama.  I would have voted (and did vote) Democratic in the General Election, because McCain and Caribou Barbie were beyond the pale, but that does not mean that I was overjoyed about the Dems.

    I am moving (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:38:32 PM EST
    toward your postion

    My feeling is (none / 0) (#58)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 03:33:31 PM EST
    that we need to start supporting and voting for candidates that truly support our beliefs and best interests.  If we keep voting for "the least bad" of the official choices we get, we'll never get any kind of profound change.  I realize that this may mean that we have to endure even worse conditions for awhile, until it gets so bad that the people in this country wake the f*ck up, the way the Egyptians did.  I don't see what other alternative we have.

    Obama, waffle-cop; Hillary, bad cop? (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:05:17 PM EST
    He sd. it was all perfectly clear.

    totally confused by that comment (none / 0) (#53)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:17:40 PM EST
    Because O has been escalating the suffering and death toll for the last two years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Clinton's remark support of the status quo in Egypt had no affect on anything whatsoever.  And while she was likely articulating her own views, she was definitely articulating those of her boss.

    And you would support that boss since the first primary?

    Interesting.  You're all over the lot thes days Capt.  No consistency to your comments or conclusions whatsoever.

    And anyway, domestic issues encompass a whole lot more than just health care.  

    Not that I'm dismissing the slaughter of innocents, mind you.  Far from it.


    Im sure you were not (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:39:30 PM EST
    which is why I rephrased.  my mouth is a problem.  maybe you have noticed.

    I wish we could edit comments


    Cap, I certainly cannot (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 03:52:13 PM EST
    fault you.  The times are confusing.  The alternatives are abominable.  I wish I could wave a magic wand and make things better, but I cannot.  All I can do is support those candidates who come the closest to my beliefs.  I want elected officials who can see that invading other countries to impose our own best interests is not the way to go.  I want elected officials who have some compassion for those who are out of work or who have low-paying jobs and are losing their homes.  I want elected officials who are not in bed with the big banks, the big health insurance companies, the big agricultural companies, etc, but who are instead interested in getting decent wages, decent food, decent health care, and a decent environment for the average American.  I want elected officials who are willing to tax those who have benefited financially from this country enormously so that they pay their fair share.  You can call me a communist, socialist, I don't give a rat's @ss.  I care about the whole country, not just the wealthy.  And if the wealthy look down upon everyone else and think that they would have done as well or better in another country, well, then, they're living in  a dream world.  (Okay, sorry, I'll get down from my soap box now.)    

    doesnt actually (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 04:28:57 PM EST
    seem like a lot to expect

    Well, apparently (none / 0) (#61)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 04:43:20 PM EST
    it is, given the current political situation and our current elected officials.  Sad, isn't it?  :-(

    Being ill, there is no big celebration here (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 07:14:58 PM EST
    We will try for dinner out sometime this week.  I did get a present though.  A new fenced off paddock for my dogs is being put in.  I have one, but my older male is getting a little intolerant of other unaltered male dogs in his space and gets growly.

    I think the most fun we ever had on Valentine's Day was a few years back when one of the women's mags (can't remember who) designed a dinner for two to be cooked together by two.  It was so good and so much fun I know I saved it, but saved it where :)?

    you know (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 06:07:43 AM EST
    what's funny? These are the kinds of presents that you get really excited about when you are married. If you had gotten this when you were dating....well, that's another story. LOL.

    Jeralyn, Happy Valentines. (none / 0) (#3)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 08:53:41 PM EST
    This one's for you. I have a deep voice, but imagine this in Barry White's voice: This one's for you, Jeralyn...Love's theme. As a bonus, great Cheese Steaks!

    My music choice is a little (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:22:01 PM EST
    literal. I give you Old Blue Eyes with My Funny Valentine.  I've been singing it all day.

    Actually though, here is my favorite love song....

    The Boss... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 08:36:42 AM EST
    did pen some sweet love diddys, didn't he?

    Mary Queen of Arkansas, Rosalita...and Little Girl I Wanna Marry You was my sister's wedding song.


    Very cool (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:16:18 AM EST
    If I ever have a wedding there will be some Boss in there somewhere. Maybe not 'Tunnel of Love' however.

    When I was looking for that video on utube there was a news video about a couple that were taking their engagement photos on the Jersey shore, and just happened to meet Bruce on the boardwalk. The groom-to-be happened to have his guitar with him, and Bruce played a little and posed with them.


    Saw that story... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:32:54 AM EST
    how cool was that?

    Similar type story...A friend of mine was down in West Palm on vacation, walks into the hotel bar...who does he find but Eric Clapton jamming on an acoustic for a handful of people.


    Aaaargh....why am I never in these places? (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:57:50 PM EST
    I mean really, don't Eric and Bruce (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:58:28 PM EST
    ever go to the dog park?

    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:05:57 PM EST
    day late and a nickel short...always:)

    Great song recommendations (none / 0) (#5)
    by hilts on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:48:16 PM EST
    Here are my Valentine's Day songs

    If I Fell - The Beatles

    Two of Us - The Beatles

    Something - The Beatles

    God Only Knows - The Beach Boys

    Wouldn't It Be Nice - The Beach Boys

    Here's a beautiful love song ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by cymro on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 10:50:47 PM EST
    Graham Nash singing Simple Man.

    Valentines night in Santa Cruz (none / 0) (#7)
    by cpresley on Mon Feb 14, 2011 at 11:58:47 PM EST
    Had a great dinner. Sitting here watching T.V. with the scanner on in the background and a call goes out for fire and the medics. Victim of an assault with a pepper grinder. I wonder who had a rotten Valentines dinner?

    Since I see Johnny Mathis won (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:05:29 AM EST
    a Grammy for something or other, I'd choose "Chances Are."  

    Went to tutoring, where tutoree gave me an "A" for my translation of his heart cand iesw/sayings in Spanish!

    After so many days of sleeping (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:40:38 AM EST
    and being sick I may not go to sleep tonight and that is beginning to be depressing.  But I did get to think about what my favorite love song is.  And it is by Train, just substitute he for her if you need to....works for me :)

    Now if love fails you on an off day and you begin to think about making some pate out of his dog Benny....you may need to commune with some deeper Buddha and grapple with what love really is and listen to The Verve five times in a row remembering that you are a Lucky Woman, call me in the morning or if you pick up a meat cleaver whichever comes first :)

    FOX Nation (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 08:36:15 AM EST
    This is an incredible piece of video. At the 1:20 mark you clearly see some greenish figure moving through the crowd.

    Between the crowds of protesters and barricades, the video shows a flowing, pale green image that resembles an erect rider atop a horse in Medieval-like barding. The ethereal figure remains for a few moments before floating over protesters' heads and off the screen.

    Is this the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse?"

    I didn't think they came in green (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 10:11:42 AM EST
    Pretty sure the Bible does not say they come in green :)

    that would be funy (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:10:17 AM EST
    if several million people didnt think it was, you will pardon the expression, gospel.

    Some of them are going to Captain (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:14:25 AM EST
    Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 11:28:51 AM EST
    Tonight is Sporting, Working, and Terrier breeds, and of course, Best in Show.


    South Dakota's at it again... (none / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:00:44 PM EST
    From Mother Jones:

    A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus--a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. The Republican-backed legislation, House Bill 1171, has passed out of committee on a nine-to-three party-line vote, and is expected to face a floor vote in the state's GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon.

    The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Phil Jensen, a committed foe of abortion rights, alters the state's legal definition of justifiable homicide by adding language stating that a homicide is permissible if committed by a person "while resisting an attempt to harm" that person's unborn child or the unborn child of that person's spouse, partner, parent, or child. If the bill passes, it could in theory allow a woman's father, mother, son, daughter, or husband to kill anyone who tried to provide that woman an abortion--even if she wanted one.

    However, since Mother Jones reported on this, the sponsors of the bill have modified it:

    They eliminated the ability for spouses or relatives of the pregnant woman to use a "justifiable homicide" defense; now only the pregnant woman can use it, and there are exceptions to that rule. So sunlight disinfected this bill pretty quickly.

    But a closer examination shows that this bill was basically targeted at one person. There are no providers in the state; Planned Parenthood flies in a doctor from outside the state once a week to Sioux Falls. He's basically fingered as a murderer implicitly with this bill, though they had to dial it back after pressure.

    This can be added to all the other restrictions on abortions in South Dakota: required counseling, a 24-hour wait period, an ask to view a sonogram, language that must be read to women discouraging them from getting the abortion. House Bill 1217 also includes even more restrictions. The goal is to deny access, but the inclusion of the "justifiable homicide" language simply seeks to intimidate doctors from putting their life on the line by coming to South Dakota.

    Why would any woman want to live in South Dakota, where it seems they are regarded as little more than property?

    I really believe (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:14:38 PM EST
    Fox news and Glen Beck and there related radio shows are taking the country to new places.  the things they are pushing are not new.  but until now the John Birch Society did not have a major news network.  they had to spread their fear and lies with pamphlets.  it has implications for everything from reproductive rights to minority rights to religious freedom.  and I find it sort of terrifying.
    last night I saw video of a Frank Luntz focus group. fully half of them think Obama is a muslim.  that is Fox.
    whatever disagreements we may have regarding Obama I think I can assume you do not think he is a muslim.
    anyway, I think this is at least tangentially related to your comment.

    I am sure Fox is big in SD