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Tonight was the most appalling X-Factor show of the season. Judge Nicole Scherzinger should hang her head in shame. She copped out of voting in the final sing-off round and the choice wasn't difficult. As a result, Rachel Crowe, who sang her best performance of the season in the safety round, went home. Rachel, who is only 14, fell apart crying out her eyes out. Unbelievably, Nicole went up to the stage as if she was going to comfort Rachel. Nicole has always been the weakest judge, replacing Cheryl Cole at the last minute. After her dereliction of duty tonight, I hope she's not brought back to judge next year. She was roundly booed by the audience and rightfully so.

Another hall of shame award today to Spirit Airlines, for offering special "slammer fares" to Chicago in honor of Rod Blagojevich's sentencing. I'm not linking to the ad because I don't want to send them business, but it says:

"you don't have to live in the 'Big House' to take advantage of these fares" to among other places, Chicago. But hurry... You don't want to get convicted for missing this seat-selling sale!"

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    In other news... (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 11:03:38 PM EST
    Reacting to Texas Gov. Rick Perry's latest advertisement, which assails what the presidential candidate calls President Barack Obama's "war on religion," liberal satirist Andy Cobb published his own take, which concludes that "God does not believe in Rick Perry."

    "Perhaps this is a good time to remember that gay and atheist presidents didn't get us into the war in Iraq, the financial crisis, or turn your mortgage into toilet paper," he said. "It took some God-fearing va***a penetrators to pull that off. Maybe we should let Christians do what they do best -- praying, which clearly doesn't work -- and leave the governing to sodomites and infidels."

    Video at RawStory

    Also, faith based republicans believe gawd luvs 'em, and faith based democrats believe obama luvs 'em, and both of 'em are on their knees prayin' like h*ll for miracles right now.

    Some days the world is a very strange place. ;-)

    No, the real cause of war is immorality (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:50:54 AM EST
    Look at the countless wars which have been fought over p0rnogr@phy.

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    Thanks for the Laugh! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Amiss on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:51:17 AM EST
    Governor Perry's religiosity burst (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:26:43 AM EST
    and anti-gay screed appears to be both his "Hail Mary" and his rekindled policy beard.

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    ratings (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by womanwarrior on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 11:18:42 PM EST
    Sorry I can't remember whether 1 is best or worst, but I love Edger's last post so much!

    I did, too! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:41:50 AM EST
    5 is the best.  

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    Laugh for the day. (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:23:32 AM EST
    I note that ABG thinks Obama has no power over the crackdown on OWS protests. Apparently, he can't even open his mouth to say that he supports free speech in THIS country, as opposed to Middle East countries with dictators we no longer like.
    Ok, fair enough. But pair this with ABG crediting Obama for "creating" 2 to 4 million jobs, so far.
    The CEO President, and we didn't even know it!!


    Wondering what the standard of error (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:43:48 AM EST
    might be.  2-4 million!!!

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    For those comments, error is the (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:17:35 AM EST
    standard.

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    What are you talking about observed? (none / 0) (#43)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:59:49 AM EST
    I am saying that the President of the United States does not have jurisdiction over the activities of local government's police enforcement activities, and although we don't like the way that OWS has been treated, the basic arrests for trespassing are legal.

    I guess you are suggesting that Obama withhold federal funds from state governments and municipalities if they arrest people protesting illegally, but I don't think that is a very wise use of political capital.

    Conversely, telling governments that receive our money not to kill gay people seems like a decent use of that capital.

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    I think I am going to need a chart to (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:16:51 PM EST
    help me keep track of what things Obama does and does not have the power to do, because the answer to everything that comes up just cannot always be that he doesn't have the power or ability or jurisdiction to affect or control or act.

    In no small way, the policies and actions of this administration, in its dealings with foreign countries, in its dealings with US citizens, have had the effect of taking the militarization of local law enforcement to, in my opinion, unprecedented levels.  Did it start with Obama?  No.  But he came into office with the power to change the Bush/Cheney policies that were eating away at individual rights here at home, policies many people believed he was opposed to.  And, instead of rolling back those policies and moving us back to a culture that prized individual rights, freedoms and privacy, he extended them.

    If you have been doing any reading at all about the treatment of those arrested in the Occupy movement, you would know that local police forces have, at times, been indistinguishable from combat troops, and applying the force of their authority against citizens who have a constitutional right to speak out, whether against the corporatocracy or the government itself.

    But don't take my word for it; read this account, part of which I will excerpt, below:

    My name is Patrick Meighan, and I'm a husband, a father, a writer on the Fox animated sitcom "Family Guy", and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Community Church of Santa Monica.

    I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh's "Being Peace" when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted "We Are Peaceful" and "We Are Nonviolent" and "Join Us."

    As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA's First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family's dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as "30 tons of garbage" that was "abandoned" by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.

    When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor's legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor's left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor's right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.

    Read the whole thing, if you can stand it.

    Pretend it isn't about something that's happening here - pretend it's in one of those countries where the people are speaking out for freedom and democracy - places where Obama has expressed horror at the actions and treatment of citizens by their governments (although, I have to add that the US is, apparently, arming the Egyptian government as it continues its anti-democracy actions).

    And, whether Obama technically has the power to "do" anything about how law enforcement is dealing with the citizenry, or not, your willingness to accept that he does not, and your rhetorical shrugging in his defense, does absolutely nothing toward giving him any reason to reject what seem clearly - to me, at least - to be repressive and authoritarian policies and actions that are wholly antithetical to the perpetuation of a true democratic country.

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    I don't think I can stand (none / 0) (#74)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:36:05 PM EST
    to read the whole thing right now.  But I surely will later.  Even the excerpt hurts me.  Deeply.

    FTR, I immediately recognized the propaganda when I first head about the "30 tons of garbage"

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    hmmm (none / 0) (#75)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:52:13 PM EST
    . . . the answer to everything that comes up just cannot always be that [Obama] doesn't have the power or ability or jurisdiction to affect or control or act.

    but what if Obama truly doesn't have "the power or ability or jurisdiction to affect or control or act"?

    serious question: are you suggesting that Obama's Justice Department should call on the National Guard to control local law enforcement at the Occupy sites, as when JFK federalized the National Guard in Alabama?

    And, whether Obama technically has the power to "do" anything about how law enforcement is dealing with the citizenry, or not, your willingness to accept that he does not, and your rhetorical shrugging in his defense, does absolutely nothing toward giving him any reason to reject what seem clearly -- to me, at least -- to be repressive and authoritarian policies and actions that are wholly antithetical to the perpetuation of a true democratic country.

    that's a pretty big "whether or not" - & that matters because the "whether or not" clause is subordinate to a clause criticizing ABG's attitudes & words, so it's hard to tell whether your comment is directed more at Obama or at ABG

    either way, i think all Americans would be better served if we curbed our tendency to view our presidents as kings

    as for "repressive and authoritarian and wholly antithetical to the perpetuation of a true democratic country," well . . . yeah

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    Truthfully that wasn't something (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:02:24 PM EST
    I had considered.
    are you suggesting that Obama's Justice Department should call on the National Guard to control local law enforcement at the Occupy sites, as when JFK federalized the National Guard in Alabama
    But it would be all kinds of awesome.  And it is something he could do.  Not something I believe he would ever do.

    Of course, he could just reach out to the mayors of large cities and urge them to respect the first amendrights of the Occupiers.  He could also do so pubicly.  Would probably take about 15 minutes of his time.  And that act would be huge.

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    er... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    "publicly".  There was no disrespect intended.

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    and sometimes a cigar (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:18:36 PM EST
    HUGELY pubical (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:20:14 PM EST
    careful, sj - you're on thin ice ;)

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    I know, right? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:00:07 PM EST
    Completely changes the tenor of the next two sentences.  I'm snickering like an adolescent and it was a completely innocent typo.

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    ABG was the one who stated Obama didn't (none / 0) (#83)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:58:43 PM EST
    have any jurisdiction over local law enforcement, and my comments were not intended to argue that he does have jurisdiction, but that ABG just wants to let it go at "there's nothing he can do," without considering the larger picture, which, in my opinion, is the further entrenchment of a militaristic approach to just about everything.  And that, I firmly believe, is something Obama can do something about.

    As for the National Guard, good Lord, no; I don't think adding another layer of militarism is how we counter all of this.

    My comment, for what it's worth, was meant as an indictment of a president who has continued to implement and extend Bush/Cheney policies that are now not just abstract "over there" kinds of things, but that are bleeding into our daily life in ways that are truly frightening.  And it's an indictment of ABG, who just wants to shrug his shoulders, bless all of the arrests as legal, and think he's covered the subject.  Not Obama's fault, nothing he can do, let's just move on.

    I, personally, do not view the president as a king, although the broadening of executive power that really cranked up during the Bush years has continued to grow and extend its reach under Obama; if he seems more like a king, I have to think that's (1) because that's how he wants it and (2) too many Democrats in Congress and people like ABG have adopted the situational ethic of it's-okay-because-Democrats-are-doing-it, and abandoned whatever principles drove them to object when it was Republicans doing it.

    Hope that explains things in some way that makes sense.


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    Holy cow! (none / 0) (#84)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:15:25 PM EST
    I just read this:
    are you suggesting that Obama's Justice Department should call on the National Guard to control local law enforcement at the Occupy sites, as when JFK federalized the National Guard in Alabama
    using a completely different interpretation of the word control. I was thinking of support for the Occupiers kind of control.  Keeping local law enforcement within legal boundaries.  Not "control" as in managing and further militarizing local law enforcement.

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    what i meant was (none / 0) (#85)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:17:09 PM EST
    precisely "keeping local law enforcement within legal boundaries," as the federalized National Guard did in Alabama - that was my question to Anne

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    I thought I had understood Addams (none / 0) (#94)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:04:34 PM EST
    Family's question, and that's why I answered that I didn't think throwing the National Guard into the mix would be helpful.

    If we have local law enforcement, all decked out in SWAT gear and automatic weapons, with their pepper spray, rubber bullets, and so on, watching the protesters, and we have the National Guard with their military accoutrements watching law enforcement, who do we get to watch the National Guard - the UN?

    When a representative from the UN is calling out the US for its treatment of the protesters, I think it's possible we've gone down the rabbit-hole.


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    Local vs Federal (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Amiss on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 01:56:50 AM EST
    "If we have local law enforcement, all decked out in SWAT gear and automatic weapons, with their pepper spray, rubber bullets, and so on, watching the protesters, and we have the National Guard with their military accoutrements watching law enforcement, who do we get to watch the National Guard - the UN?

     When a representative from the UN is calling out the US for its treatment of the protesters, I think it's possible we've gone down the rabbit-hole."

    My name is Alice (and I feel we have gone way way too far. As I have said since the beginning, if this were being done anywhere else, the citizens would be hailed as heroes by Obama and his armies.

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    "control" cuts both ways (none / 0) (#108)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 04:02:41 PM EST
    so... (none / 0) (#110)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 04:37:47 PM EST
    ...the point you're trying make is what exactly?

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    Sometimes we want the President to have (none / 0) (#129)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 07:56:51 PM EST
    lots & lots of authority (whether over local enforcement authorities or not) and sometimes we ask that executive authority be reined in. Addams Family timely raised the issue; and, I would add that it really is worth considering & reconsidering--sometimes--when we are wont to seek presidential push in an area outside the fed purview. While I could carry on further about magic wand solutions, I know that your thinking is deeper than that...and, I'm guessing that you already know that the local law enforcement situation is best left to local authorities in all but the clearest Consitutional issues (e.g., see Bull Connor & assorted governors refusing to enforce Constitutional mandates during the Civil Rights protest movement of the Twentieth century.)

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    Yes I do (none / 0) (#136)
    by sj on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 12:48:10 AM EST
    I'm guessing that you already know that the local law enforcement situation is best left to local authorities in all but the clearest Consitutional issues
    Which is why I am so morally offended by the national coordination of and mayors.  And much more so at the "consulting" services being provided to them by the FBI and DHS.

    So my "magic wand" solution is for the President, as the Chief Executive of a constitutional republic and representative democracy, to stand up for Democracy and for the freedoms it purports to embody.

    If this isn't the very epitome of one of those "clearest Constitutional issues" I don't know what is.  The riff-raff is supposed to stay in "Free speech zones", and need a permit.  Who is kidding who, here?   A phrase heard in childhood comes to mind: "Don't pi$$ on my leg and tell me it's raining".  I didn't understand it then, but boy, I sure do now.

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    My comment specifically included (none / 0) (#116)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:52:39 PM EST
    the power of the bully pulpit, as I noted that Obama will not even open his mouth to discuss the police tactics.
    ABG's response is simply that the arrests are legal.
    That's such a low bar on so many levels.

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    The basic arrests are legal? (none / 0) (#54)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:23:31 AM EST
    Just out of curiousity, how do you know this?
    Are you a lawyer?


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    And, btw, is legality according to (none / 0) (#55)
    by observed on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:25:39 AM EST
    Egyptian law the standard by which you judge the response to protests there?

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    iirc (none / 0) (#56)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:31:26 AM EST
    ABG is "a lawyer but not a litigator"

    i too would like to learn more about the legal status of the arrests (in terms of trespassing)

    very often something can be legal even if it's morally/ethical objectionable

    & if i'm not mistaken, it can be (in the short term) legal even if it's unconstitutional - Jim Crow laws come to mind

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    A lawyer? (none / 0) (#58)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:33:41 AM EST
    I thought was a Wall Street guy of some kind...

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    he could be both, no? (none / 0) (#61)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:40:48 AM EST
    Ah (none / 0) (#63)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:51:02 AM EST
    This is true.

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    I am officially an aunt! (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by CST on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:34:33 AM EST
    Baby boy just arrived at slightly over 9lbs.

    My sister ended up having to have a C-section due to labor complications but she is in recovery and both mom and baby boy are doing ok.

    Congrats! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:35:45 AM EST
    And that is one BIG baby boy!

    Now you get to start spoiling!
     

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    congrats, CST! (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:46:16 AM EST
    have fun - i've been waiting to hear about the little(?) guy's debut

    & i'll bet your sister is relieved :O

    (my grand-nephew arrived Thanksgiving night)

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    Congrats Auntie CST! (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:49:24 AM EST
    I become a great Uncle on Tuesday--also a boy (Alex), 9.5lbs, 20 inches with long arms, big hands and just too cute!

    His birthday is exactly a month after mine, so it should be easy to remember for Uncle MHH.  

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    And congrats to you, MileHi. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:02:30 AM EST
    I love being an aunt. And I would guess that being and uncle is similarly great.

    Parent
    Interesting both of these babies had (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:11:44 AM EST
    such high birth weight.  Back in the day, OB would threaten to induce labor to avoid such high birth weights.  Pre-cursor of diabetes.  Sounds like the thinking has changed.  

    Parent
    He's 20 inches too (none / 0) (#90)
    by CST on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:45:09 PM EST
    But he's been big since the beginning.  And he was about a week late.  They tried to induce but it wasn't effective, hence the c-section which she really didn't want to do.

    But the only thing that matters now is that everyone is okay and healthy.

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    For sure. Good news. (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:06:41 PM EST
    congrats to you too! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by CST on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:42:22 PM EST
    Thanks everyone, it's been a very long 24 hours, which I imagine must be to prepare you for the long 24 years coming.

    In other news, I'm never having kids :)

    But I am going to enjoy aunthood thoroughly.

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    Best job in the world... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:59:02 AM EST
    aunt or uncle...all the joy of children, none of the responsibility!

    Have fun spoiling him rotten, and as soon as he starts walkin' put a soccer ball in front of him.

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    Happy birthday, nephew-of-CST! (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:00:35 AM EST
    That's one good-sized baby!

    Glad to hear Mom and baby are doing well - sounds like it might have been a little worrisome there for a bit, so much relief that all turned out well.

    And, I suspect you do "aunt" really well, so congrats go out to your nephew for his good fortune in having you for an aunt!

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    Great news, CST! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:01:24 AM EST
    Being and auntie is the best.

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    Tebow (none / 0) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 10:48:32 PM EST
    is a 3.5 point favorite over the Bears on Sunday. Oops, sorry I meant the Broncos are a 3.5 point favorite.

    whoohoo! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Amiss on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:23:47 AM EST
    He really is a good person. Personally, I believe in abortions. When Mrs. Tebow was toward the last months of her pregnancy, she was told that the baby(Timmeh)that she was carrying had died and it would be best to go ahead and put her in labor and deliver the dead child. She refused and delivered a healthy Tim. His parents are missionaries and "Thanking God" for what they have is truly a part of who they are. He works summers in the hospital at the mission helping with the poorest of the poor that could never afford the medical care they receive there. This appears to be his way of "giving back" for what he has been given.

    I think back to the pilgrims coming to America so they could practice their religion the way they felt they should and to me, that family is a living example of that. He really is a very humble boy and anyone that saw his interview on NFL should know that he does not take the credit for the Broncos wins lately. He praises all of his teammates, when he is asked about a win. It is too bad that more Pro's think that "they" are so wonderful that the win belongs to them and don't give more credit to their teammates.

    I am not that religious, but I think it is nice to see a young man his age that is so giving of himself. These days, that is rare.

    Sorry to have rambled so much.

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    I have four words for you: (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 07:09:30 AM EST
    Focus on the Family.

    You might want to read up before MilitaryTracy gets here.

    Please understand that I am not discounting or dismissing the good work Tebow does in hospitals - I'm sure many have benefited - but I have to believe that one who aligns him- or herself with or does work for, or is associated with, Focus on the Family, does so because he or she believes in the organization's principles and agenda.

    And that, I'm afraid, casts Tim Tebow and his family in an altogether different light.  Well, at least for those of us who believe in a woman's right to choose, equal rights, separation of church and state, LGBT rights, and marriage equality - you see where this is going, right?

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a hard time putting on a pedestal someone who believes the kinds of things Tebow does; I don't object to his right to believe what he wants, but I have always had a problem with those who seek to push their beliefs on others - and that is Focus on the Family in a nutshell.

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    Just four words? (3.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 09:59:03 AM EST
    Good one, CoralGables... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:10:30 AM EST
    I pretty much set myself up for that one, didn't I?

    Oh, well...

    In other news, I'm kind of annoyed that the NFL and the networks couldn't stop bickering long enough to get it together and flex the Ravens/Chargers out of the 12/18 Sunday night spot in favor of Patriots/Broncos; I guess I'll just have to hope it's one of those games that's more or less over by the end of the third quarter, so I can get some sleep.

    And, am I the only one who thinks the whole throw-back uniforms thing is just stupid?

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    H re the throwback uniforms. When the Padres (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:22:29 AM EST
    wear those we just laugh as the uniform is a ridiculous canary yellow with brown highlights.  

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    Yellow (none / 0) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:37:40 AM EST
    looked to be the de rigueur color of the NFL back in the day. I found some shade of yellow in NFL throwbacks with the Eagles, Steelers, Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Rams, and Packers. Probably more but I couldn't run down all of them.

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    I always thought that (none / 0) (#62)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:47:37 AM EST
    was Ray Kroc's way of trying to evoke McDonald's the company that made him rich -- mustard yellow on a brown all-beef patty.

    Unfortunate color scheme which the old Broncos adopted previously.  But the saving grace there are those unforgettable twirlable striped socks.

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    I'm sure (none / 0) (#32)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:32:35 AM EST
    there might be one or two throwbacks worth viewing but I can't think of one so I would agree. Also in agreement on wanting the Pats and Broncos moved, so on this we agree to agree for different reasons ;)

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    Throwback unies -- in favor (none / 0) (#37)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:49:10 AM EST
    We already live too much in the fast paced, historyless present in this country.  Refreshing to see a reminder that orgs like the NFL have a long colorful past evoked by the wearing of these often amusing and occasionally stylistically superior throwback clothes.  But then I'm a history kinda guy with a tendency myself to wear or prefer the look of some vintage (60s) clothing.

    What is the team whose throwback socks are vertically striped?  A playful touch and one I endorse.

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    That would be (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:55:16 AM EST
    none other than the team with the throwback QB

    The Denver Broncos

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#51)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:16:06 AM EST
    I'm working on an art piece inspired by the Broncos as Christmas gift for my a brother (I say "inspired by" because I don't want it to look like just a piece of sports memorabilia).

    I will not be incorporating that look :).   Although I dunno... those colors are way easier to work with than orange and blue.

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    I guess safety dictates that they (none / 0) (#40)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:55:26 AM EST
    couldn't go back to the leather helmets, but that would be amusing to see...although if players like James Harrison had to launch their faces at opposing players, there might be less of that kind of brutality.

    Basketball played in the old-style shorts would be even more amusing!

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    Leather helmets... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:02:26 AM EST
    would make the game safer imo...the hard helmet is a weapon, as you said nobody would lead with the head rockin' leather.

    And I hate the NY Jets throwback NY Titans jerseys...they are hideous.  

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    I disagree strongly about shorts (none / 0) (#128)
    by cymro on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:22:55 PM EST
    There  is a reason why shorts are so named. They are supposed to be short. Am I the only person who thinks that the currrent style of long baggy "shorts" is ridiculous? If runners can wear suitably short shorts (see for example Haile GebreSelassie), why can't basketball players? How does adding a couple of yards of extra  material help anyone --except the companies selling shorts?

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    I have never heard (none / 0) (#133)
    by Amiss on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 02:05:56 AM EST
    him tell anyone else how they should live their lives, just heard him tell "his story". I also have never heard him put anyone else down for how they live. AFAIK he just likes to live his life and be free to live it in the way he does, YMMV, Anne.

    I respect you a great deal and would never want to say anything that would make you feel any differently.

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    I have to compartmentalize myself (none / 0) (#134)
    by Amiss on Sat Dec 10, 2011 at 02:14:13 AM EST
    My father died when I was very young, leaving my Mother with 2 small children and very little education. Our local church gave her a job and called on her to do many things that were really outside her perview, but she did the work gladly. I because of this spent many hours at church. Today I do not attend church, but I do believe in a "higher power". I dont believe in shoving it down someone's throat tho.

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    A brass desk set (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 10:54:03 PM EST
    made for (and possibly designed by) Adolph Hitler, used at the signing of the Munich Pact by Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Neville Chamberlain, and France's then premier Edouard Daladier in 1938 which ceded Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland to Germany, has been bought by a US collector for $423,000, from a New York auction house.

    I guess someone is impressed by it. Be almost a cool as owning a souvenir from George Bush's Oval Office desk?

    judge rejects Iowa governor's line-item veto (none / 0) (#5)
    by desmoinesdem on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 11:37:29 PM EST
    An interesting ruling came down today from Polk County (Iowa) District Court Judge Brad McCall: Governor Terry Branstad exceeded his authority by using a line-item veto to reject language attaching conditions to an appropriation without vetoing the appropriation itself. In other words, the governor kept the funding but vetoed language stipulating how that money must be used.

    The governor's spokesman indicated that he will appeal the ruling. Even if the Iowa Supreme Court ends up agreeing that the governor exceeded his item veto powers, I don't think Democrats will succeed in reopening the 36 Iowa Workforce Development field offices they were trying to keep open. The agency closed down those offices between July and October.

    I doubt Hawaii state case law is precedent (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:22:01 AM EST
    in Iowa state courts.  

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    SITE VIOLATOR - irisdolittle (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 08:05:57 AM EST


    I'm not usually a big fan of hardcore punk rock (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 08:44:14 AM EST
    It kind of grates on my 60's ears, but according to WikiPedia..

    Rise Against is an American punk rock band from Chicago, Illinois, formed in 1999. The band currently consists of Tim McIlrath (lead vocals, rhythm guitar), Zach Blair (lead guitar, backing vocals), Joe Principe (bass guitar, backing vocals) and Brandon Barnes (drums, percussion).

    Rise Against spent its first five years signed to the independent record label Fat Wreck Chords, on which it released two studio albums, The Unraveling (2001) and Revolutions per Minute (2003).
    [...]
    The band's major label debut Siren Song of the Counter Culture brought the band mainstream success, producing several successful singles. [...]
    The band's fifth studio album Appeal to Reason was released on October 7, 2008 and debuted at number three on the Billboard 200 chart. All three albums released via Geffen were certified platinum in Canada and gold in the United States. The band is known for its political lyrics and activism, actively promotes animal rights

    The first track on their Appeal to Reason album is titled
    "Collapse (Post-Amerika)". The lyrics begin with...

    When our rivers run dry and our crops cease to grow
    And when our summers grow longer and winters won't snow
    From the breaks of the ocean and the ice in the hills
    And the fight in the desert where progress stand still

    When we've lost our will, that's how we'll know that
    This is not a test we'll know this is cardiac arrest

    When the world is too proud to admit our mistakes
    we're crashing into the ground as we all fall from grace

    When the air that we breathe becomes air that we choke
    When the marsh fever spreads from the swamps to our homes
    When your home on the range has been torn down and paved
    the buffalo roam to a slaughterhouse grave

    What more will it take?
    For us to know
    This is not a test we'll know this is cardiac arrest
    When the world is too proud to admit our mistakes
    Kissing the ground as we all fall from grace

    You can listen to it at youtube (full lyrics are there too)

    Younger people get it.

    I can't youtube until I get (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:22:33 PM EST
    home.  But for Angry Young Men I have a particular fondness for Warrior Soul.  I think they may still may perform together but I don't really know.  I do know that I love, love this album. As work computer has no speakers I don't know what these videos sound like, but I love the songs and so I'm posting "deaf".  The names, "We Cry Out" and "The Losers" kinda start the discussion if not speak as for themselves.    

    Warrior Soul came out of the Reagan years.  Younger people got it then, too.

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    The Dirty F@#*ing Hippies Were Right! (none / 0) (#73)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:35:48 PM EST
    So are their kids. (watch another youtube when you get home) ;7D

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    Sad to find young people (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 09:35:16 AM EST
    who doesn't understand how much progress the world has had.

    Wait!

    They do. But singing about good things doesn't sell in the counter culture.

    Wail away children. Most of you will grow up and join the real world.

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    Go back to sleep, Jim (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 09:47:07 AM EST
    Proof.. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:13:34 AM EST
    Marsh Fever has spread to our homes homes.

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    Hold your nose (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:15:58 AM EST
    and define "proof" ;-)

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    Besides that (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:19:22 AM EST
    certified platinum in Canada and gold in the United States probably means that most angry liberals think like this. Even lowercase 'social liberals'.

    (whistles, rolls eyes, looks up at ceiling)

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    Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:31:59 AM EST
    I can't stop laughing...

    I keep thinking of my neighbor when I was kid chasing us around with some sort of lawn/gardening implement b1tching about today's youth.

    That old man lives on though the internets and it may be even funnier now that I'm 40.  I used to think we all became that guy, now I know there is one in every hood, even the virtual ones.  And they still make me laugh like a kid, with their "Wail away children. Most of you will grow up and join the real world."

    Too GD funny...

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:40:16 AM EST
    and usually the ones that scream the most about the "real world" are the ones who have had a charmed existence has been my experience.

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    Or if not "charmed" exactly (none / 0) (#64)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:52:48 AM EST
    then certainly pedestrian

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    Actually the first recorded (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    instance I have read of this is Churchill who opined that if a person is not a liberal at 18 he has no heart. If he is one at 30 he has no brain.

    My point was simple. We have much to be thankful for.

    I see none of that from Edger and others like him.

    If you, or anyone, wishes to note that we have many problems I will totally agree.

    But, as a Social Liberal, and one who has lived long enough to remember segregation, gays being bashed and no one defending, a woman not having the right to choose, etc. and no real outlet for protests I find the continual bashing of the country... "My country wrong and wrong......" to be boring and wrong.

    We have made tremendous progress.

    Now. When you get done laughing, select any current problem we have and suggest a workable solution.

    Your turn.

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    The kids (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:16:21 PM EST
    see?

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    I make you the same (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:25:23 PM EST
    offer.

    Define a problem and then propose a workable solution.

    Or, just keep complaining. That is your best suite.

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    Heh. You're such a (none / 0) (#71)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:29:26 PM EST
    cartoon, Jim

    "What if it's a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?"

    Eh? That would terrible, eh? Heh.

    Go back to sleep, it's too early out here for you.

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    Look, if you are afraid to debate (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:44:58 PM EST
    just say so.

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    LOL (none / 0) (#81)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:49:21 PM EST
    We just did, Jim.

    I told you it was too early out for you. ;-)

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    No Edger (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:14:44 PM EST
    You snarked.

    And, once again, defined yourself.

    lol

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    But can rather than (none / 0) (#72)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:30:56 PM EST
    just playing cranky old man here, why not let music speak for you?  Link to something that speaks to your heart and let music do the talking.  That's what Edger was doing.

    Just saying.  

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    Not a bad idea (none / 0) (#93)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:02:58 PM EST
    I came from here

    and here

    To this

    Found this

    We thought

    Been there

    I tried

    I hope

    Songs are nothing more than poetry put to music.

    From one of my  fav:

    Clay lies still, but blood's a rover;
    Breath's a ware that will not keep.
    Up, lad: when the journey's over
    There'll be time enough to sleep.

    - AE Housman - "Reville"

    To my generation music was not about politics.

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    These look to be good choices (none / 0) (#101)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:27:53 PM EST
    Will check 'em out when get home.  Except for Sinatra.  Never was a fan.  

    But about this:

    To my generation music was not about politics.

    You recently said that you're 73. So you were born in 1938.  I think you're forgetting about Pete Seeger (b. 1919) and Woody Guthrie (b 1912).  You sprang from that generation.

    Your contemporaries are Joan Baez (1941), John Lennon (1940), Willie Nelson (1933), Bob Dylan (1941), Peter, Paul and Mary (1938/1937/1936)

    Your generation has a proud tradition of mixing music and politics.  I honor it profoundly.  I hope you do not disavow it.

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    I must disagree (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 04:58:54 PM EST
    my generation, for better or worse, is known as the silent generation. If we were political at all we were basically FDR and Truman Democrats.

    There were no Pell Grants, no student loans. We were too busy trying to climb out of where we were to be worried about someone else. And we remembered the hurt of WWII too much to have sympathy for the protesters during the Vietnam years.

    We were very much Nixon's "Silent Majority." But many of us stayed with the Democrats through Carter who proved that he could not govern or protect. He was the capstone on the disagreement over Vietnam.  

    The artists you mention were magnified by the Boomers, not us.

    I have never thought of Willie as a protester, although he was a member in good standing of the Outlaws.

    My favorite Wille: On the Road Again followed closely by his version of Goodman's City of New Orleans which was a monster hit for Guthrie.

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    Your generation (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:12:06 PM EST
    Like every single other generation was comprised of all types.  Not just those who are like you.  Those artists that I mention are your contemporaries.  You cannot change that.  You can squirm and deny and it will still be true.

    Regardless of who "magnified" them.  A truly humorous statement, by the way.

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    A few artists do not define (none / 0) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:27:31 PM EST
    a generation. The

    Silent Generation is a label for the generation of Americans born from 1925-1945

    The artists you mention were, like it or not, magnified by the boomers.

    And I really don't see your "squirm and deny" comment as making any sense, unless you want to deny the above definition and think it wasn't the Baby Boomers who were in the protests of the 60's.

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    Then I also am a member of the (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:54:17 PM EST
    "silent" generation, as is my former spouse, who enlisted in the U.S. Nary to avoid being drafted into U.S. Army during Vietnam War.  And he played folk music on the banjo:  Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez, et al.  

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    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:01:08 PM EST
    in that there is a book that refers to 1929-1945 as "The Lucky Few" generation between the "Greatest Generation" and the "Boomers". A generation that was the first in the country to be smaller than the one before it, and followed by a vastly larger generation which led to them benefiting greatly from demographics.

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    A commenter on a blog (none / 0) (#115)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:50:37 PM EST
    does not define a generation either.

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    Sorry, but an artist, or group of artists (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:07:02 PM EST
    who happened to be born within a defined generation, do not define a generation.

    That they were contemporaries is meaningless. It is when they were embraced that is important.

    And I must confess that this the first time that I ever had anyone tell me I was a member of the generation that made protest a national pass time.

    A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post-World War II baby boom and who grew up during the period between 1946 and 1964.

    snip

    In general, baby boomers are associated with a rejection or redefinition of traditional values

    link

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    Nor does the author of an article (none / 0) (#117)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:53:32 PM EST
    In fact, I would say that the author of that article not only didn't define a generation, s/he didn't even define you.

    You are not one to go silently into the good night.  And more power to you for that.  I can't believe you would even want to pretend to be Silent.

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    I'm not pretending to be anything (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:08:09 PM EST
    I just saying what the generation I was born within is known for.

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    You know (none / 0) (#119)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:00:52 PM EST
    I picture you as kind of combination of Walter Brennan and Ebenezer Scrooge.  I wonder what you're really like.

    And for the record, I like Walter Brennan.  I wonder if I can find a copy of "The Gnomemobile" to rent. I don't want to buy it if I don't have to.

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    WYSIWUG (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:11:32 PM EST
    But Scrooge??

    Puleeeezeeee

    ;-)

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    Sorry :) (none / 0) (#125)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:16:31 PM EST
    Really I am.  Bu I can't help it.  :)

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    lol (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:19:22 PM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#113)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 05:14:35 PM EST
    I am really looking forward to Willie's version of the City of New Orleans.  I haven't ever heard it.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#70)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 12:27:32 PM EST
    Well Churchill may have been the perfect Prime Minister for the times, but he was also a drunk.  Is he really your choice for moral arbiter?

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    So, being a drunk is (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:50:22 PM EST
    immoral in your view?

    Given that position is based on "your body is a temple" I guess you are also against all recreational drug use...

    BTW - I look for no moral arbitrators. I learned while still a young man that the perfect man died on the cross.

    But I will listen to advice. I sometimes use it to my advantage.

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    Let me answer by saying (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:24:26 PM EST
    that I would not put my children in the personal care of a drunk.  Nor would I hold up a drunk as You were talking about young people, right?

    But I'm not going to talk to you anymore unless you post your own music video. :)

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    dang. What happened to the rest of that sentence? (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:40:16 PM EST
    Nor would I hold up a drunk as You were talking about young people, right?

    It should read:

    Nor would I hold up a drunk as [an example].  You were talking about young people, right?


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    Hey look (none / 0) (#88)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:42:00 PM EST
    Be careful what you ask him for, or we'll end up having to listen to something like, heh,  I Did It My-y-y-Way! And the final closing scene is memorable. ;-)

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    I can only recall (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:46:12 PM EST
    one music video that he linked to and it was fine.  But I just clicked on this link.  Not sure, but I'm thinking it might be fine that I can't hear it :)

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    Yes, Edger (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:12:31 PM EST
    "My Way" is a moving statement about trying to be true to yourself.

    And that is the most important thing you can do.

    But you are too young to understand that. Perhaps you never will.

    BTW - I'm still waiting for the "problem/solution."

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    Now would I put them in care of a drunk (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:09:26 PM EST
    Of course Churchill is merely recognized as one of 20th century's greatest statesmen... but he would have made a poor Nanny.

    But you didn't answer my question.

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    Lordy (none / 0) (#103)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:36:26 PM EST
    As near as I can tell your question was this.
    being a drunk is (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 01:50:22 PM EST

    immoral in your view?


    Is that right?  So in answer to this question I don't think being a drunk in and of itself makes one immoral.  But I do know addicts can be awfully facile with words and so, while I appreciate the cleverness, I don't consider it a "pearl" just because it dropped from the mouth of effective Prime Minister.

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    If he didn't make (none / 0) (#99)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:18:25 PM EST
    a killing on the stock market trading on inside info, and then later do a lot of genuine killing bombing peasant villages in India and Africa, his name might not be Churchill..

    One thing about conservative sacred cows (and to be fair, alot of other sacred cows), is that they rarely retain their sacred staus under close scrutiny.

    Btw Jim, what is a self-proclaimed "social liberal" doing celebarting the presence of Clarence Thomas on the Supremes, the way you were a few weeks back?

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    Were you referring (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 04:27:40 PM EST
    to my condmenation of this?

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    My comment was directed (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:05:28 PM EST
    at Jondee's #99.

    My bad for not tagging it better.

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    I read his account of that escape (none / 0) (#127)
    by sj on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 06:21:57 PM EST
    In a book with a number of essays written by influential people.

    It reads like an adventure story.  Really, really gripping.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:10:52 AM EST
    Just reminding you that the vast majority of your social circle are complaining with their mouth full.

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    Well, you see (none / 0) (#52)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:16:43 AM EST
    that's because we think there should be something left for the kids and for their kids. And for their kids too.

    See?

    No, I guess not...

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    gesh.... young people who don't... (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 09:41:28 AM EST
    the counter culture.. (none / 0) (#100)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 03:26:09 PM EST
    still with your panties in a wad about those dirty hippies forty years ago..

    Well that pretty much circumscribes a good third of the conservative movement; followed by the third that thinks the Lord Jesus is comin' back any day; and the third that thinks one person being a billionaire benefits everyone on the planet..

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    Football (none / 0) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 09:34:29 AM EST
    I live in Texas and came from Wisconsin.  It is rare that I get to watch the Pack at home, but this weekend I hit the trifecta +1.

    Texans@Bengals
    Raiders@Packers
    Bears@Broncos

    Giants@Cowboys, late game

    And as much as I hate the Broncos, I hope they destroy the Pack's lifelong enemies, da Bears.  A Bears loss is almost as good as a Pack win in my book, ditto the Cowgirls, love to watch them lose.

    Great football weekend.

    Pulling for the Bears (none / 0) (#41)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:57:39 AM EST
    if for no other reason than another Broncos win would mean another 2-3 threads on Monday's TL devoted to Tebow.

    Dunno though who the Bears will play at QB -- yet another lucky break for Tebow and the Broncos who probably won't be forced to score much to win.

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    So, no chance Favre gets his walker out (none / 0) (#48)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:04:26 AM EST
    of retirement to save the Bears from the cruel hand fate has dealt them?

    Haven't heard any talk about Marc Bulger; he was on the Ravens roster last year as a backup, but we released him this year.  For all I know he wouldn't be in football shape anyway - and I don't think he's taken any regular season snaps in a long, long time (as these things are measured in football).

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    Bit Your Tongue (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 11:21:25 AM EST
    Favre is the only QB I have know as an adult, sans Rogers of course, and still an idol in my book, but he already went to a team rival, the Vikings, he just can't go to the da Bears...

    My second team, the Texans just picked up Garcia for the 3rd string QB, right behind Delhomme.  I don't think there's much left in terms of 'experienced, ready to play' QBs.  That's the first time I heard Bulgers name.  I just hope Favre is a rumor.


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    Early feel (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:18:26 AM EST
    on Cain being gone is it added about 8 points to the Newt lead over Romney. Each subsequent dropout should also benefit Newt, with the exception of the Huntsman departure who will throw his 1% to Romney.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 10:34:15 AM EST
    but you're discounting the fact that Newt is very good at shooting himself on the foot.

    Also the Washington GOP is doing their darnedest to get rid of him. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen.

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