Saturday Night Open Thread: Turning Back the Clock

It's the one night of the year we get to turn back time. Hope you make the most of your extra hour.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Murmuration (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by sj on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 08:04:05 PM EST
    A murmuration of starlings.  Some attempts at scientific explanation, but I think they partly do it for the joy.

    I want one (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:59:10 PM EST
    In the air though, not on the ground in my backyard greeting the dawn.

    Tracey, just saw (none / 0) (#56)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:59:56 PM EST
    your email and answered it. Sorry it took so long!

    Jeff (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 03:50:49 PM EST
    Missed you this week.

    Hope it wasn't health issues.


    Just no energy. (none / 0) (#62)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    The idea of a 5 hour drive... I decided to just go to bed, lol!

    I'm feeling all right, just tired.

    Thanks for asking!


    Take care! (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 10:11:05 PM EST
    Love Cher, Thanks for the post (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Lil on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 09:55:35 PM EST
    amazing what this woman can still do on a stage even at her age.

    That video may be from 1990 (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by sj on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:30:13 AM EST
    but she still brings it.  Cher rocks!  I've been a fan of hers from the beginning and I'm still a fan.

    I thought Cher showed she (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by brodie on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 10:11:18 AM EST
    had outstanding natural acting ability in maybe her first outing in Silkwood. Nothing forced, wooden or groaningly amateurish about it as there normally is so often when superstar singers are brought in to be in a movie.

    Of course she did have all those years in the sixties and seventies performing before the cameras.  Plus for a while in her early superstardom she had to pretend she was married to Sonny when in fact they were living together in sin.

    Big Cher fan here.  And there was no more beautiful a talented singer back in her prime.  Like an Egyptian queen.


    You might enjoy Tea With Mussolini (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Lil on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 10:16:55 AM EST
    I saw her in Vegas last year and she still definitely brings it.

    Recenty rewatched Mask on TV (none / 0) (#38)
    by sj on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 09:46:32 AM EST
    It's a great movie.

    Glenn Greenwald re drone victims. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 10:33:40 AM EST
    Quite poignant.  link

    Figured it was getting this bad (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:27:54 PM EST
    When you see someone who wasn't particularly a very good soldier, someone who had done very underhanded things as a leader to include sexual harassment, get a $250,000 contract for six months of work inside the wire via the military industrial complex to be a drone operator and kill people as a civilian contractor.....that means that we are now going to kill people that we know almost nothing about.  We are now going to shoot anything that moves out there.  They aren't exactly looking for the most ethical people out there to do this now are they?  Nor are they desiring the military chain of command or sworn in soldiers to have to be directly responsible for these actions.  Something is getting shady out there.

    That's even worse. I thought our (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:30:46 PM EST
    military was deciding on targets and deploying the drones.  

    The last time I knew anything (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:45:04 PM EST
    Contractors only flew surveilling drones and they were not permitted to take any kind of direct action.  That was some time ago though. There seems to be a push to acquire more "drone" personnel so I make the assumption as many anticipated that boots leaving the ground in Afghanistan means drones coming in.  And we are talking the CIA running most of this so who knows how they may want to morph things?

    I got a really bad feeling when I discovered who one of the individuals was who was recently recruited, and he was recruited...he was not unemployed looking for work.  He's scummy.  And like all areas of life scum feels most comfortable with what?  Other scumminess

    Reading Greenwald and Ackerman does not relieve that initial bad feeling.


    Also, the only thing that can control (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:52:32 PM EST
    the ugliness and deaths of innocents are journalists and their contacts on the ground in the drone hit areas.  I know Greenwald won't let up.  Ackerman has military contacts though too, he will probably get push back.  They are intent on running things in this fashion or they would have never gone here to begin with.

    Occupy Movement now mainstream (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Edger on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 11:21:58 AM EST
    The revolution may not be televised, but the "Occupy" protests are now reaching into American homes via a television ad.

    The 30-second ad features nine "Occupy Wall Street" protesters talking about what they would like the movement to achieve. It is the work of filmmaker David Sauvage, who said he filmed it in half a day on Oct. 3.

    The ad began airing Saturday on Bloomberg News, ESPN, CBS Sports and Fox News, among other networks and is booked through Monday. The purchase of air time was financed by donations from 168 citizens using a social contribution model created by the San Francisco-based LoudSauce ad agency.

    The ad does not request donations to the cause but rather attempts to counter what Sauvage sees as a concerted effort in conservative quarters to portray the protesters as members of the lunatic fringe.

    "It's not that I want people to send money ... not so much a call to action but a call to meaningful political engagement," he said. "I want people to see it and say that the people that are protesting are real people with meaningful concerns that I can relate to. And hopefully, in a subtle way, the ad helps  shift the conversation."

    Watch the 30 second commercial here

    I'm furious with Bill Clinton today (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 11:49:19 AM EST
    Just flat out 100% pi$$ed off.  I just heard on the Sunday silly talk that he says this in his new book about Obama going after Wall Street the few times that he has...

    "Many of them supported me when I raised their taxes in 1993, because I didn't attack them for their success,"

    What sort of denial exists in Clinton world these days?  Who was Brooksley Born again and what was she upset about when she worked for Bill Clinton as he sat in the White House?  Oh yeah, unregulated derivatives.  Who said you couldn't regulate them WAY BACK THEN again and was given a position of extreme power in the Clinton White House?  Oh Yeah, that was Larry Summers.  In fact, Larry Summers claimed way back then that if anyone forced the regulating of derivatives (things that betting Larry loves) the whole world would blow up.  And ten years later the whole world did blow up because nobody regulated derivatives.

    Because of Bill Clinton's failings, Wall Street has become a rabid behemoth.  And if Suskind's book is to be believed Obama began his discourse with the Street by being very friendly.  After the Street in dire straits saw that response, they giggled with each other and then shat on Obama every day after that.

    If Bill Clinton had stepped into the Obama White House on day one, he'd be lucky if even he could find his own arse with both hands.  I'm a huge Bill Clinton fan on most days, but today he can just BITE ME!

    There's a war on the ground out there now Bill.  You are complicit in how it came to be so just own that, own how wrong everyone was and get on with this thing.  Pick your side, this will be the last big fight in your lifetime and it will define the country your grandchildren will claim and get to grow up in.  Maybe you look back and feel bad right now and you want it fixed, that's fine but blaming Obama won't fix it and how you claim he "should have been" wouldn't have fixed it either.  This is a war, Wall Street and corporation vs. getting to be human beings.  Shut the hell up, choose your side, choose your weapons, or get the hell off the field!

    but, but, but.... (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Edger on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:48:40 PM EST
    palinperrycainromneygingrichbachmannhuntsmanpauletc... you know.

    You know?

    Just ask anybody with stars in their eyes or vacant dreamy smiles.

    It could be a lot worse. One of those cretins could win next year and start doing all the things Clinton did and Obama is doing, and then there would be millions of people who would have to start pretending they are opposed to the kind of duplicity you're talking about, MT.

    And then the world would explode. Or something.


    Next step (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:18:55 PM EST
    Out of the general assemblies a platform evolves, then candidates who have supped at the table of this new think tank are offered to the American people.  IT IS TIME TO TAKE BACK MY COUNTRY!  D.C. can only ignore the people for so long, occupy is the people and the protesting grows and grows and grows.  Soon the influence of OWS will be a contender too!  Sad that almost the entire establishment dislikes or hates OWS right now.  It will foul up the ground rules they have all grown to operate within and often even cherish, though it disenfranchises almost the entire population of the United States.  

    Have to get rid (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Edger on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:24:19 PM EST
    of both major partys too.

    And what are the 1% going to do when they find out their money is no good?


    At least back to Clinton (none / 0) (#2)
    by koshembos on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 09:47:36 PM EST
    What you heard was what you got. Our president was the most intelligent person in politics and there was a surplus. LBJ without Vietnam.

    But, but.... (none / 0) (#6)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 10:32:19 PM EST


    Thankfully, the UDub/Oregon game is on.  Dawgs need to get going though.

    Almost tempted to agree but (none / 0) (#34)
    by brodie on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 08:12:03 AM EST
    as much as I think the SEC is overhyped, overexposed and overpaid, there was enough outstanding defense played by both teams, especially LSU's secondary, to say the game was not a bust but just one completely dominated by the defenses.

    A true bust would have been sloppy play with numerous dumb penalties, dropped passes, careless fumbles and boneheaded coaching.  But apart from a few missed field goals by Bama and a couple of costly penalties, it was a well played game.  It's just that neither team had the type of QB that Stanford. Boise and Southern Cal have, namely a championship caliber field general whose talent and leadership could have produced more points.

    Btw the most disappointing #1 vs #2 remains the infamous 1966 matchup of Notre Dame vs Mich St, a 10-10 tie where ND played it cowardly safe in the final two minutes by sitting on the ball and settling for the tie which they rightly assumed would still keep them ranked at the top.

    LSU and Bama by contrast played to win down to the last play.  


    The gold standard for a regular season (none / 0) (#35)
    by brodie on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 08:43:52 AM EST
    top two teams matchup billed as Game of the Century remains the back and forth, down to the last minute thriller in 1971 between top ranked Nebraska and #2 Oklahoma.  Both teams fielded quality defenses but they weren't good enough to stop the other team's superior talent on offense -- the exact opposite of last night's game.  In the end it came down to which team would have the ball with enough time left -- Nebraska as it turned out.

    Maybe the most exciting reg season college game ever.  Though last week's Stanford vs Southern Cal nail biter comes close.


    I recall that 1967 UCLA-USC game too (none / 0) (#67)
    by brodie on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 08:26:30 AM EST
    A major classic.  But it doesn't quite qualify as a true GOTC because both teams didn't have perfect undefeated records going into the game.

    My first viewing of a college game probably would be a Rose Bowl ca 1960.  I also recall watching when the networks first introduced some fancy technology called Instant Replay ca fall 1963 during a game involving Navy.

    I'm also old enough to recall when ABC would televise the occasional Ole Miss game where the male cheerleaders would run out onto the field carrying a Confed bars and stars flag and their band would play Dixie.  Nothing was said about this by the announcers, iirc.


    That is within 1 block of where I was (none / 0) (#8)
    by observed on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 11:13:49 PM EST
    living in Hawaii.

    Island Colony? (none / 0) (#22)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:17:50 AM EST
    Hahah.. i know about the party (none / 0) (#32)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 07:41:33 AM EST
    temptations. I was living in the Island Colony for 1 year, on the 36th floor. I had a tiny, expensive studio, but the view of the ocean and Diamond Head were fanstastic. It was a nice lifestyle. My favorite thing, believe or not, was to walk to the shelter on the beach at Liliu'oKalani and play chess and go. Best board game club in the world!

    Here's a good way to spend the day: (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 11:20:11 PM EST
    Horton Foote's play "Trip to Bountiful" at S. Coast Rep.

    BBC America (none / 0) (#12)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:25:55 AM EST
    If you have on Demand, on BBC America I recently watched "The Hour".  Great English early television, journalists, censorship, intrigue.  

    I cut the cable so I won't be seeing that (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:08:51 AM EST
    any time soon.  

    "The Hour" is out on DVD. (none / 0) (#63)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 05:02:31 PM EST
    I just watched it. Got the DVD set from the library. Excellent program. And the guy who played Jimmy McNulty in "The Wire" ? He's a Brit! Who knew? ( the actor, Dominic West, is in "The Hour").

    One of my favorite plays. (none / 0) (#57)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 03:04:56 PM EST
    Also a spectacular movie, starring Geraldine Page.

    I hadn't seen the play before yesterday. (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 03:17:09 PM EST
    Had seen the movie and just put it on hold at library.  I was very fortunate to see Foote's trilogy, Orphans' Home Cycle.  Terrific theatre.  Either never knew or forgot Foote wrote the screen play for "To Kill a Mockingbird."  

    Test Your County (none / 0) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:24:33 AM EST
    Plug the name of your County and see how it stacks up in income equality.  Don't know if it has any real meaning, but it's interesting.  

    From Pro-Publica.  

    Wouldn't put any money on Stanford (none / 0) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 12:50:21 AM EST
    for the national championship game just yet. They still have to get past the Ducks.

    Oh, and speaking of the Ducks, they just dispatched the Huskies with a score of 34-17. Keith Price, WA QB, was sacked something like 7 times tonight.  

    Newsflash to me: 25F with (none / 0) (#23)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:19:15 AM EST
    a howling wind is frucking COLD!
    I can't imagine what -40 with a howling wind will be like.
    My parka is good, but I need to make a complete moonsuit outfit soon.

    Ah, it's actually 15 F. (none / 0) (#24)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:44:12 AM EST
    So I don't feel like a COMPLETE wuss.

    Time to go metric, Dude... (none / 0) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 09:02:18 AM EST
    ... You'll feel warmer.

    hmm. it's going to be -20 this week (none / 0) (#37)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 09:03:37 AM EST
    celsius. Are you feeling warm ?

    Check out that -40F (none / 0) (#48)
    by jmacWA on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:16:52 PM EST
    You should check out your original -40F to see what it is in celcius if you don't already know :)

    I know. That's why I choose it (none / 0) (#52)
    by observed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 01:44:37 PM EST
    as a benchmark for "insanely fruicking cold"

    as a federal agent, (none / 0) (#25)
    by cpinva on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:29:41 AM EST
    he may well be required to have his weapon on him at all times, whether he's on duty or not. i know that's the case with the FBI, and several other gun toting agencies.

    to answer your question jeralyn, (none / 0) (#26)
    by cpinva on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 02:32:20 AM EST
    i spent my extra hour perusing talkleft. just thought i'd give your ego a lift! :)

    I still have hope for Huntsman (none / 0) (#31)
    by loveed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 07:12:38 AM EST
     I will never understand the media fascination with sex.
     You have to admire the republicans,for not throwing Cain under the bus.
     Back to Huntsman, soon he will be the last man standing.
     Huntsman gave a detailed energy plan last week.
    The media was too busy with Cain.


     I agree we are too dependent on oil. It refreshing to hear an alernative.
     He will be on "Meet The Press" this morning.

     The republican party wants to win.Forget the polls. He is the most electable,he is the the best candidate running.
     The media candidate is Romney. The republicans rejects him.I have always said the nominee will not be Romney.
     Huntsman has been attacking Romney for the last couple of weeks. He has several internet aids, that are devasting to Romney.
     The Republican only want to to win. Huntsman is conservative enough. He has a stellar record as governor of Utah. Foreign policy experiance.

    Here is a recent article from the (none / 0) (#64)
    by loveed on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 05:18:16 PM EST
    Human Event, a very conservative magazine.


     It's about Huntsman. His chances for beating Romney for the nomination.
     I will keep repeating, the republican want to win. This is why I have always thought, it would be huntsman.
     Who will the media make there next flavor of the month, Gingrich.


    Does this mean (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edger on Sun Nov 06, 2011 at 07:56:15 AM EST
    I can go back to bed for an hour now?