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Going Nuclear To Kill A Fly

Senate Dems' strange decision to change an arcane rule (one of many) that makes the Senate utterly dysfunctional is not being met with cheers by the "reform the Senate" crowd. Ezra Klein wrote:

Here’s what happened: Mitch McConnell wanted to bring up the president’s jobs bill, which Harry Reid is still modifying in an effort to win more Democratic votes. He wanted to do so for a simple reason: Sans modifications, the bill would fail and the Democrats would be embarrassed. McConnell tried a legal but arcane maneuver to suspend the rules after cloture and force a vote. [. . .] Reid objected [and] forced a majority vote on the parliamentarian’s ruling. The vote succeeded, and the rules were changed to outlaw McConnell’s maneuver.

This is known in the Senate as the nuclear option. It is a way to change the rules with a simple majority. [. . .] It was, in truth, an odd issue over which to go nuclear. [. . .] Democrats changed a rule because the Republicans were annoying them.

Senate Dems did not go nuclear to pass a stimulus or jobs bill when they controlled the Congress. Senate Dems did not go nuclear to pass the public option. They did it to stop the GOP from annoying them with a pointless political grandstand vote that no one will remember in a week. Just dumb.

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    I agree, it's an odd place for Reid... (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 09:44:02 AM EST
    ...to relocate his testicles.  But par for the curse of this largely disabled and infertile body.  Can't imagine the passion and ingenuity they muster when their loafer tassles are scuffed.

    Double like (none / 0) (#13)
    by star on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:46:19 AM EST
    your comment.Got a real good laugh ..thank you

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    It almost seems that the main job (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 09:59:38 AM EST
    of the Obama administration and the New Democratic Party is to open doors for current and future Republicans to march through in the pursuit of their policies to enrich the 1% at the expense of the 99%

    To paraphrase Anne:

    We are so screwed.


    It's not opening the doors for Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by sj on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:25:24 AM EST
    exactly, it's opening the doors for the oligarchs and robber barons.  They just happen to to have found a home in the Republican party.  Don't worry, though, the Democratic party isn't far behind.

    On another note, I want to say thank you to OWS for giving me the handle I've been looking for.  The 99%.  I've been saying the populace (which doesn't feel quite right, or the citizenry (which doesn't really work for obvious reasons).  But the 99% is perfect.  I'm using that from now on.

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    Well, I can't speak for (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:18:26 AM EST
    anyone else, but, gosh, I am just so glad to know that Harry Reid sees the embarrassment of the president and the Democratic Party as a fate that is so terrible that it must be avoided by invoking a rule he refused to invoke in pursuit of good policy.

    I mean, are you f'ing kidding me?  This is what matters to these people?

    #OccupyCongress: count on it.


    They went nuclear to avoid embarrassment (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:18:50 AM EST
    Voting about dust was apparently the last straw of humiliation.

    Let's hope that now that they have found a set, they will keep them.

    There absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 04:50:09 PM EST
    must be a way to refer to having some ... moxie - other than referring to male genitalia...

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    "Heh," as they say... (none / 0) (#17)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 05:58:46 PM EST
    I don't necessarily have a problem with figures of speech like that but I often wonder that myself.  Usually, right before I'm about to deploy a figure of speech like that...

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    You're right (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 09:14:28 PM EST
    But other expressions don't convey the same combination of moxie and high exasperation with the subject's normal lack of moxie.

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    Hope springs eternal, doesn't it (none / 0) (#11)
    by sj on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:27:30 AM EST
    They always had a pair.  It's hearts they're lacking.

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 04:46:29 PM EST
    agree with your post, BTD.

    Everything is showbiz.

    Since you said, "Dumb" (none / 0) (#1)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 09:40:46 AM EST
        My question is (being "dumb" in the ways of Congress) ......so what?

    If no one's gonna remember this next week, what's the big deal?

    I assume, however, you think this may have repercussions. If so, could you please lay it for me (us?)  


    In 2013 (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 09:43:54 AM EST
    Everyone will be reminded of this.

    When the GOP has the Senate and uses this to push through actual policy.

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    Well, they would have done that anyway (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:20:28 AM EST
    Whether Harry did it first or not. The Dem fallacy has been thinking they held the keys for that particular door.

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    Not certain (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:27:06 AM EST
    before. Now yes.

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    That will certainly be the sad story (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:35:24 AM EST
    McConnell will tell. But I won't believe him.

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    Ah, o.k. got it (none / 0) (#5)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 10:09:34 AM EST
    I figured it was something like that

    (sure I did)

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    Like (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 03:56:02 PM EST
    this:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's sudden decision to force a narrow change in the chamber's procedures could backfire.

    First, it could make it harder for Democrats to break GOP filibusters because Republicans may be even less willing to close off debate on legislation.

    Even worse for Democrats, the new rules could make it easier for Republicans to justify using the same circuitous tactics Reid employed to force votes on hugely contentious issues, such as repealing Democratic priorities like health care reform and Wall Street regulations, Senate experts on both sides of the aisle said Friday.

    SNIP

    "One of the obvious fallouts is that it will be tougher and tougher to get cloture," said Marty Paone, who spent more than a decade in the critical position of Democratic secretary, serving as his caucus' point person on the floor proceedings and the arcane rules of the Senate. It requires 60 votes to invoke cloture, which effectively limits debate and ends a filibuster.

    Asked about the move employed by Reid to force a rules change, Paone said: "It's a can of worms they took down off the shelf -- it's always been there. ... Hopefully they'll put it on the back shelf and forget about it again."



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    this is the TYPICAL K-school hand wringing (none / 0) (#18)
    by seabos84 on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 08:22:43 PM EST
    from diaper wetters.

    HERE ARE THE RULES:

    I. IF the policy sucks for us peee-on 99%, THEN the rules are used and abused and bent and twisted and rammed down our throats and anywhere else uncomfortable.

    II. IF the policy $uck$ for the pig$ at the top, THEN there is some Manhattan phone book of arcane process which means the policy can't happen.

    People who need the Kennedy School & Law School to NOT figure that out are either too dumb for jobs at the top, OR, doing great making sure the rule$ "work".

    rmm.

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    Obamacare is now toast (none / 0) (#20)
    by Slado on Sun Oct 09, 2011 at 09:28:40 AM EST
    Repubs will control the house and Senate in 2013 and if the court doesn't kill it they now have a tool to bleed it dry.

    Even if Obama holds on to the presidency he will be so weak it won't matter.

    It will be one legislative move after another until what's left is nothing like before.

    Thanks Harry.  The road to repaling the Obama agenda just got that much easier.