Elizabeth Warren: Brown Wall Street's Favorite Senator; Warren Not A Candidate For That Award

Via Chris Bowers, great line from Elizabeth Warren in last night's Massachusetts Dem Senate primary debate:

Forbes magazine named Scott Brown Wall Street's favorite senator. I was thinking that's probably not an award I'm going to get.

Running against Wall Street and the filthy rich is good politics. Yep, the "class warfare" thing.

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    and, shot ahead (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 12:24:50 PM EST
    in the polls.

    paying attention, "O?"

    Actually (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    she is trailing in the polls but it's still very early. As to "are you listening O?", Obama isn't running in one state he's running nationwide.

    actually, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 02:32:51 PM EST
    it was reported on DK that she overtook what's-his-face today.

    Whatever....today, tomorrow, and so it goes


    Arguing hard for the liberal position (none / 0) (#8)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 04:28:18 PM EST
    in Massachusetts is a bit easier than the task that Obama has.

    That is tea so weak it is barely water (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 04:54:45 PM EST
    Obama doesn't even WANT to do the job, and he can't even SAY what Warren is saying because he's in the pocket of Wall Street -- and I doubt he'd say it anyway because it's not his neutered style, he's more into yelling at women in staff meetings.  Obama's job is hard because rather than be a leader, Obama decided to be a tool.  Poor Obama, poor him, he'll never have to worry about money for the rest of his life.  Let me clue you in on some very clear logic:  It takes NO amount of courage, ZERO, to speak the truth when you are as set for life as Obama is.  The fact that he doesn't is quite clear evidence he doesn't view Wall Street as anything to worry about, except in lining their pockets, as he has done so well.

    Did you see NYT article today re William (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 04:58:47 PM EST
    Daley.  He avoids conflict.  Great team.  

    Very disappointing write up (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:59:56 PM EST
    Obama losing his carefully cultivated post partisan image?  When did he ever have that?  Did you ever believe such a thing was possible?  I never did?  But apparently team Obama really thought and still thinks they will get that done.  Talk about drinking your own swill.

    Poll driven speeches, that was what I read that I will be rewarded with.  No real actions, just speeches where the President says things that the polls say that people want to hear.  Extremely disappointing

    This President will be lucky if in six months he doesn't have violent riots and protests in the streets.  He is a brilliant idiot, and I don't know how someone has the intestinal fortitude to keep phucking up this badly and just keep flat out refusing to see it and acknowledge how it is all going down even to himself in a quiet moment of reflection.


    I might be a bit biased here (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:41:34 PM EST
    Okay that is probably an understatement.

    But frankly, I consider Massachusetts to be the poster child for liberal government.

    We have (relatively) low unemployment, jobs that actually provide decent wages, good schools, good hospitals, decent health care coverage, nice parks, public transportation, high rates of tourism, gay marriage, one of the lowest divorce rates in the country, decriminalized pot, our state government doesn't murder people, and a solid dose of grouchy skepticism toward the government.

    Is it perfect?  Of course not, stuff is too expensive, and the weather is often terrible.  But I'd much rather live here than Texas, and it's a solid example of liberal government that actually WORKS for people.

    Maybe the rest of the country should start paying more attention.


    I agree, and (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 09:57:34 AM EST
    if you folks only learned how to drive,

    it would be almost perfect.


    it's not that (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 10:41:53 AM EST
    we don't know how to drive, it's that we choose to drive like crazy people.

    Besides, NY shooter - you should talk

    "About 20 percent of U.S. drivers, roughly 38 million people, lack basic knowledge about the rules of the road and would fail a written test if they had to take it again, according to a new poll."

    "New York came in last"


    A recently released (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 11:26:27 AM EST
    "Worst Driver" survey from Allstate found Washington DC to have the worst drivers in the country, with Baltimore having the second worst.  (This is based on number and frequency of accidents.)  Those people in New York City are pikers- they didn't even finish in the "worst ten."  They're only the 20th worst.  So I suppose, as a Marylander who lives not all that far from DC and Baltimore, I can say with some rather misplaced pride:  "We're Number One!  And Two!"  (Oddly enough, Boston wasn't even on the list- does Allstate not collect data in Massachusetts?  Who knows?)

    they probably (none / 0) (#25)
    by CST on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 12:21:49 PM EST
    did not have enough data.

    MA has had very weird rules/laws about car insurance.  Up until 2008 the rates were all set by the state, and a lot of insurers were not available in MA.  Allstate didn't offer insurance to MA residents until 2009.  Neither did Geico, or Progressive, or most other big companies.


    Makes sense (none / 0) (#28)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 12:54:55 PM EST
    I guess we may have to wait a couple of years until Allstate collects enough data to see how they rank Boston.  In the meantime, those of us near the Baltimore-Washington corridor can rest on our laurels.  We're bad, so bad!  (Actually, I think that many of the drivers from both Baltimore and Washington have moved out to Central and Western Maryland and brought their bad driving habits here- the drivers out this way seem much worse- ruder and more reckless- than they were over 25 years ago when we moved to the area.)

    To be fair (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 02:46:53 PM EST
    People in Washington are from all over - we get the worst of all the crappy drivers in the country!  Add in marrow (and not enough) streets, and tons of tourists who don't know where they're going, and you have a recipe for disaster.

    Although, I find that they apparently do not teach the concept of "merging" in driver's ed around here - it's either pull in where there isn't really room, or come down a ramp and all of a sudden come to a complete stop!


    Yes, it's quite a (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 03:09:16 PM EST
    potpourri of bad driving!  The merging problem is exacerbated, at least in Maryland, because Maryland apparently does not believe in long merge lanes.  Many of the highway merge lanes are "Boom, it's over! Get in there!"  So many drivers in Maryland tend to pull in where there's no room- it's either that or stop at the end of the short merge lane, and then they'll never get in.  The whole thing is made much worse because the drivers in the main lane don't ever seem to want to allow the mergers to enter.  And nobody knows how to use turn signals, either.   ;-)

    Appreciate your honesty (none / 0) (#26)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 12:34:38 PM EST
    However, the "New York Driver" is a myth.

    When you live in a city with 10 million cars that was designed for 2 million (numbers made up, but you get the point) driving "like crazy" is vital for survival. The difference that all my out of state friends can't comprehend is that there's a big difference between "controlled chaos" and unpredictable behavior.

    Example: Some of the streets and Avenues in NY may be 10 lanes wide. What do you do if you're in the far right lane and need to turn left one block away. Answer....simple, turn your head and make eye contact with the driver behind you, stick your front bumper into his lane, and hit the accelerator. Now the difference between NY drivers and, let's say Boston's is that the NY driver behind understands immediately what you're trying to do, and decelerates allowing you to make that maneuver. In Boston, they consider a turn signal as a sign of weakness, and a challenge, and so, they stomp on it, even with a carload of infants, to make sure you'll miss your turn.

    Now admit it, you know that's true.


    I have never intentionally (none / 0) (#27)
    by CST on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 12:44:37 PM EST
    taken on a carload of infants.

    I have driven in NY though, and it's terrifying.

    The difference is in Boston it's not 10 lanes, it's only 1 or 2, so we make you work for it :)

    The other problem with Boston is that even the people who live here only sort of know where they're going.  The roads are always changing (big dig), or they just don't make sense.  If I miss my turn, there's another turn that will take me through a completely different neighborhood, but will still get me there.  So if you're trying to cut me off cuz you missed your turn, that's your problem, but you can always make a bad u-turn to fix it, or take the next turn and discover a new part of the city that you might never get out of.


    I hear you (none / 0) (#29)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 01:16:31 PM EST
    I ran a division for a large corporation a few years back, and our regional office was in Hartford, Ct. Now, I've been driving a long, long time, spent years in the military, and drove the world over. But, I have to tell you, whenever business called, and I had to go to Boston, to say fear, panic, and dread froze me in my tracks, that's the understatement to end all understatements.

    AND, you don't have to take my word for it. You know who else agrees with me? The Commander of the Massachusetts State Police. We used to let the New England regional police departments use our facilities to train their k-9 dog units as part of Homeland Security explosives smuggling detection units. That's where I got to know the Mass. Commander and he told me their Legislature, at his request, approved a 17 million dollar study to try and understand the phenomenon I've been talking about here.

    Listen, it could be worse. You could live in New Hampshire, the state that defines the word "oxymoron." When you enter New Hampshire, the sign greeting you says, "New Hampshire welcomes considerate drivers." They also provide a turn off to a rest area there because you can't read that sign without breaking out in laughter so violent it renders you incapable of driving further.

    So, when I asked a business colleague who lives there how they could possibly put up a sign like when, in all my years of driving there, I never, even once, saw a directional signal being used, he said, "you know why?" "Because you told us that's what we had to do. If YOU tell we have to do something, it's our sacred obligation to do the opposite."

    You have been warned :)


    I used to not "get it" (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 01:26:53 PM EST
    or thought people were making something up.

    Then I moved to Pittsburgh for 4 years.  A city that isn't exactly known for their well designed streets or ease of driving.

    When I came home again I "got" it.  Crazy driving is taken to another level here.

    NH is weird on many levels.  But "considerate" is not a term I'd typically use to describe New Englanders in general, never mind while driving.


    And you don't have the nation's... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 10:48:56 AM EST
    financial sector to pollute...umm, everything.

    she is proving herself (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by CST on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 01:06:45 PM EST
    to be a remarkably good campaigner.

    These one-liners are killing it.

    Because... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 02:35:33 PM EST
    Wait a minute, let me guess....ooh, don't tell me...because she comes across as a...a...a...


    "Who could have known?"


    Note to self: don't get suckered in again. (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    The debate (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:04:42 PM EST
    in which Elizabeth Warren participated last night is available in its entirety at the following link:


    Big Tent, this is just for you (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 10:25:29 PM EST
    And I know you'll love it.

    GEITHNER: "Inexplicable" that Wall Street Turned on Obama (LINK)

    What's inexplicable is how you still have a gig, Timmy.  

    Seriously, the spin cycle this election season is going to short out the system.  

    What's worse really... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dadler on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 08:25:13 AM EST
    ...is he's more worried about the Street turning on Obama than the more ugly truth that they have turned on the country.

    Of course he's more worried about that (none / 0) (#19)
    by sj on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 10:34:35 AM EST
    His job is to make sure that Obama stays Wall Street "friendly".  If they're turning on Obama it really means they're turning on him.  What are the consequences for failure, I wonder.

    Kushy retirement (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 11:27:35 AM EST
    Those are Geithner's consequences, barring some unforeseen, um, accident.

    as far as we know (none / 0) (#24)
    by sj on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 11:35:55 AM EST
    Warren is a better headline writer on (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 02:40:56 PM EST
    this occasion.

    yeah but (none / 0) (#12)
    by tworivers on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:13:54 PM EST
    Morning Joke says that "class warfare never works".  (I guess MSNBC has stopped running the promo where Scarborough says this, because they now realize how inapt and tone-deaf a statement it is).

    Speaking of which, it was great to see Occupy Wall Street brought up by Mika (whom I have mixed feelings about - she says some some idiotic things sometimes) the other day.  Joe crossed his arms, squirmed a bit in his chair, and looked as if he'd rather be talking about anything but.  He's clearly not heartened by, or sympathetic to, the Occupy Wall Street movement.  He'd much rather unload his whole Broderesque right-leaning centrist, fiscal conservative, socially moderate schpiel.  That's his wheelhouse.

    She's funnier (none / 0) (#13)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:34:33 PM EST
    than sh*t....