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Posted on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 08:18:14 PM EST
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Big Brother is down to the Final Three. Anyone but Enzo please. Project Runway is also on. And a new Jersey Shore.

Is there any news besides Pastor Terry Jones today?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    DADT has been ruled unconstitutional. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    Here

    The Obama Administration (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:00:30 PM EST
    has thus far insisted that it is obligated to defend such statutes. A change in that would be most welcome.

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    From what I read, it seems (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:04:56 AM EST
    the Administration didn't really defend DADT in this case.  They didn't concede it was unconstitutional or anything, but all they did was submit the legislative history to the judge.  They took the position it was up to Congress, pointing out that the Administration supports repeal as a matter of policy.  

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    They fought the case very tenaciously. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by scribe on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:11:54 AM EST
    Go read the opinion and you'l find the judge had to spend like 20 pages wading through all their arguments on why the plaintiffs didn't have standing to sue.

    Typical DoJ scorched earth litigation.

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    I don't think what I wrote and what you replied (none / 0) (#47)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 06:16:09 PM EST
    are inconsistent, Scribe.  The DOJ opposed the lawsuit on what seem to me to be legitimate, not farfetched (like "state secrets"), procedural grounds.  They did not try to come up with cockamamie justifications for the policy on its merits, like they did in the DOMA case.  So I gave (a little) credit where (a little) credit is due.

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    It really would be. (none / 0) (#9)
    by masslib on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:03:45 PM EST
    They should just stay out of it.  

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    Yes, there's news. See Afternoon Open Thread (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 09:13:22 PM EST
    for info on federal appeals court striking down anti-immigrant ordinance in PA, and another appeals court granting a stay to allow the Obama stem-cell research funding rules to stand, at least temporarily.

    Well other than crazy assed lying (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:03:27 PM EST
    pastor (loose useage) Jones, it is Massoud Day.  I have lit candles all over the house and turned down the lights in rememberance of him.  Wish he was here.  He could explain democracy and freedom of speech to Afghanistan in a voice that would be deep and clear and understood.  He is not here though, just plenty of whack jobs.  His essence and his knowledge resides in the universe though and I acknowledge and pay homage to it tonight.

    got up at 6 this morning (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:13:03 AM EST
    to get my car serviced and caught a pretty funny spot on Joe.

    we dont really need to hear anything else.

    hear hear

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    Goolsbee is getting a promotion: (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 01:40:53 AM EST
    link

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    OMG NO! (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 01:59:38 AM EST


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    Exactly my reaction, Tracy... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 08:42:22 AM EST
    This is not good news for the economy - or for those living at the narrowing margins.

    If this is the result of Obama thinking about the economy, well...you can fill in the blanks as easily as I can...

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    It feels pretty hopeless (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:18:46 AM EST
    But we will have happy talk.  And if we think we take a beating this election cycle, just wait two more years.  It is hard to even care at this point.

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    Good news (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:16:58 AM EST
    Obama to award living soldier the Medal of Honor

    First living recipient to receive this honor since Vietnam.

    Congratulations to Sgt. Giunta and good for Obama.

    Health Insurance premium rates (none / 0) (#2)
    by hookfan on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 09:00:07 PM EST
    apparently going up (link)

    Cr*p brokenlink (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by hookfan on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 09:04:09 PM EST
    try this: link

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    After a hot, dry day... (none / 0) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 09:02:56 PM EST
    ...authorities are taking preventative measures including the possibility of evacuating the West side of Boulder proper in case the fire continues to march Eastward with winds forecast to increase to 50 mph tonight.  This could get real ugly.

    "With gusts of 50 miles per hour, embers can carry a mile," said Boulder County Sheriff's Cmndr. Rick Brough. Boulder city officials this afternoon urged residents who live west of Broadway in Boulder to prepare in the event high winds forecast for this evening carry embers from the Fourmile Canyon fire into city limits.

    169 homes have already been lost.  

    Denver Post coverage

    WOW....that sucks (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:04:29 PM EST


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    Football season is in session (none / 0) (#6)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 09:32:24 PM EST
    Vikes v Saints. News enough for me!!! :)

    Not the most exciting game. (none / 0) (#11)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:15:18 PM EST
    But at least it is football.  And we have the first Farverception of the year...

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    And Brees fell short on the (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:49:19 PM EST
    Fantasy points :( But still . . . . FOOTBALL!!!!

    I'm watching the most awful footage of a 'hood that exploded in San Bruno, Ca right now. Gas line and the overhead shots looks like a couple of blocks of fire. Unbelievable . . . and freakin' scary.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 10:52:21 PM EST
    ...I was watching the live feed of that.  Pretty scary--reports of people with severe burns from the explosion and all.  

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 11:04:07 PM EST
    I'm switching to cable as all my local channels are on it. I can't watch . . . .

    good to 'see' ya around :)

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    That's my parents' old neighborhood (none / 0) (#24)
    by esmense on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:16:32 AM EST
    They lived there in the 1970s. Modest little house with a gorgeous view of Mt. Diablo. Nice middle/working class neighborhood. It makes me very sad. When I first saw news of the fire, I was confused -- it is not the kind of neighborhood, with lots of too dry vegetation, that you usually see in flames in California. Then they reported the gas explosion. Tragic.

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    Is there any news besides . . . (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:16:05 AM EST


    oops premature (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:19:55 AM EST
    not to much.  the scary thing is, and I think this guy is the new high water mark for crazy, people are starting to talk about "stopping him".  send in the troops, the fbi, whatever it takes.  trump up some charges and go for it.  

    well, yesterday I said what I guess was almost the same thing but I didnt really think anyone would take that seriously.  wrong.  they are.  there was a food fight on Joe this morning with half of them saying do whatever it take and unwilling to say where that would stop or if they would give George Bush the same rights to prevent "demonstrations" he thought would endanger the troops.

    we are getting in to some scary territory.
    this crazy old fa*t has made the whole country loose their minds.


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    We lost our collective mind... (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:27:47 AM EST
    well before we ever heard of Mr. Hate Preach, FLA chapter...this is just more evidence of our collective bed-wetting and insanity.

    Some of the calls from the "left" to "stop him" just goes to show the "right" ain't the only ones willing to sell their principles down the river at the first sign of trouble...it's embarrasing really.

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    Yup (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:54:55 AM EST
    What needs to be stopped is the media elevating every nutjob to the status of international incident.

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    Free speech... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23:40 AM EST
    it's a b*tch ruffian...but I still wouldn't have it any other way.  Full on totalitarian societies don't have these issues...we should be grateful:)

    We gotta stop tuning in and eating it up...but that sh*t is hard...the people giving their lives to make the world a better place, or people like us just trying to get by without huting anybody, just don't make for good talking head arguments on the boob-tube...we're boring.

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    to be fair to the press (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:34:13 AM EST
    how could they not cover this?  when Petraeus and Gates and Clinton and on and on all chime in, and why shouldnt they if they believe what they said, how can they not cover it?

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    Oh (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:08:11 AM EST
    It's on the right too.  Pat Buchanan has a column up basically saying the exact same thing Jeralyn said yesterday - asking that if Obama thought this guy was endangering the troops, why doesn't he have this guy arrested on federal charges?

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    this is not exactly (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:21:19 AM EST
    what she said I do not believe:

    Are we a serious nation? Is Obama up to being a war president?

    Constantly, we hear praise of Lincoln, Wilson and FDR as war leaders.

    Yet President Lincoln arrested thousands of citizens and locked them up as security risks, while denying them habeas corpus. He shut newspapers and sent troops to block Maryland's elections, fearing Confederate sympathizers would win and take Maryland out of the Union.

    President Wilson shut down antiwar newspapers, prosecuted editors, and put Socialist presidential candidate and war opponent Eugene Debs in prison, leaving him to rot until Warren Harding released him and invited the dangerous man over to the White House for dinner.

    California Gov. Earl Warren and FDR collaborated to put 110,000 Japanese, 75,000 of them U.S. citizens, into detention camps for the duration of the war and ordered the Department of Justice to prosecute antiwar conservatives.

    During Korea, Harry Truman seized the steel mills when a threatened strike potentially imperiled production of war munitions. Richard Nixon went to court to block publication of the Pentagon papers until the Supreme Court decided publication could go forward.

    so whats the problem?  dont think this is what she meant but she can correct me if I am mistaken.


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    link (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:31:07 AM EST
    to the full screed.

    (its townhall)

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    Why does there have to be a problem? (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:37:40 AM EST
    His point was that If Obama thinks the troops are in danger, then there are federal laws he could possibly use to arrest this guy, which is exactly what Jeralyn said.  My statement was to point out that it takes a nutjob like Jones to make people on both the left and right agree on something, so I don't see a "problem".

    Unless you're looking for an argument or something.

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    not really looking (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:45:22 AM EST
    but I do see a problem.

    where do you then go with this precedent?  with this new policy.  do we transfer it to president Palin or Romney when demonstrations against some war starts the same rumblings on the right?  round them all up and trump up some charges?

    I see a big problem.
     

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    The thing the right and left... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:47:23 AM EST
    are agreeing on is a shredding of the Bill of Rights...not my idea of "coming together".

    Maybe we should thank Mr. Jones for exposing the lot of us as a bunch of cowardly frauds, if all we can agree on is that an attempt to deny Mr. Jones his constitutionally protected rights is a good idea...for the sake of "the troops".  Good grief.  

    It's time like this I am amazed we've managed to stay semi-free this long.

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    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#44)
    by CST on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:49:27 AM EST
    stated in the comment section of that thread that she did not support the use of those laws for such an action, she was just pointing out the double standard shown by the government for religious figures like Jones vs. some random Joe public.

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    irony (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:52:09 AM EST
    is hard

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    Here's the important part you left out (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:46:34 AM EST
    This is not written to defend those war measures or those wars. It is to say that if a president takes a nation to war, and commits men to their deaths, as Obama did in doubling the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, he should be prepared to do what is within his power to protect those troops.

    And if Petraeus says letting Jones set this bonfire could imperil U.S. troops, Obama should act to stop it. And if he is so paralyzed by uncertainty as to whether he can do anything -- and, as a result, soldiers die -- what would that tell us about their commander in chief?

    Would stopping Jones and confiscating the Qurans violate Jones' First Amendment rights? Perhaps. And perhaps not. But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis, or an inherent power of a war president to prevent actions imminently damaging to the war effort, Obama should find some Justice Department attorneys who can.
    Let the ACLU make the case that interfering with Davis' bonfire violates his First Amendment rights. Let a U.S. court decide whether Obama has the power to take a decision previous wartime presidents would have taken without hesitation.

    And if Obama does not have the power to stop actions like this, imperiling our troops, then we should get out of this war.




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    from my email: (none / 0) (#36)
    by the capstan on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23:27 AM EST
    Limit all  U.S.  politicians to two terms..

    One in office
    One in prison

     Detroit and Chicago already do this.

    Sept. 10, 2010 Auburn - Mississippi State (none / 0) (#46)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:54:51 AM EST
    the Auburn Tigers are atop the Southeastern Conference, best record!

    Read it and weep, BTD! Auburn will lead the conference until 2:30 Saturday afternoon at the earliest!

    Scary game last night. Glad the Auburn's coach, Gene Chizick, used the Jedi Mind trick on Miss. State'coach Dan Mullen in the 4th quarter...

    , "Put in the running team, smashmouth football time!"
    Chizick, "that's not the offense you're looking for."
    Mullen: "No, no, no. they'll be expecting us to run like we've been the entire second half and keep chewing them up. Let's go with a passing attack! We need three points and we have two and a half minutes! Pass to the sidelines! I want every completion taken out of bounds! If you take a sack on any down but third, spike the ball on the next play!"

    Chizick, with a wave of his hand: "Play the experienced running/option quarterback in this two-minute passing ofense. Tell him to win the game in the middle of the field."

    Mullen: "Relf! Get in there! Get me some yards! PASS! Keep 'em short! Crossing routes! Auburn won't see that coming!"

    I thought that's how the last 3 minutes went... anyone else think differently?

    Jedi mind tricks can be important in football.

    State will be a powerful team next year if both QBs stay healthy and the o and d line gain some depth-- the QBs are Relf, redshirt sophmore (or junior, not sure) (12/26, 109 yars passing, 28 yards on 13 carries rushing, and Tyler Russel, 6-5 true freshman, (4-9, 19 yds, 1 int).  Look for one or both of these guys to play on sunday in some capacity-- CFL plays on Sunday, don't they?

    AU's Cameron Newton was 11/19, 136 yards, two tds, one int. 69 yards rushing on 18 carries.

    Penalty-free game, almost... just the opposite of the past two years. 4 penalties for 35 yards agains AU, 2-25 yards against Miss State. One interception and one fumble loss for each team.

    Heh. If you didn't see the game, I guess I just gave a recap. Evenly matched, similar mistakes, but not that many, similar strengths and weaknesses.

    Oh, and the cowbell is back at Davis Wade Stadium. Auburn used to use cowbells, too... football and basketball, until Kentucky's Adolph Rupp said he'd never play another game in that snake pit of an arena with cowbells, or something to that effect...

    Ahhhh. College football.

    War Eagle!

     

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