Finetuning The Message

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Obama Administration
Posted on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:00:00 AM EST
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Finally it seems someone in the White House has done some work on the message they want to convey. In Madison, Wisconsin, President Obama stopped whining and dropped the "you Dem voters need to stop whining" jag, adopting a better approach:

President Obama delivered an impassioned argument to young voters Tuesday night, declaring that the changes he promised in 2008 are underway and that "now is not the time to give up." "The biggest mistake we could make is to let disappointment or frustration lead to apathy . . . that is how the other side wins," Obama said. "If the other side does win, they will spend the next two years fighting for the very same policies that led to this recession in the first place."

[. . . Russ] Feingold did show, dismissing the idea of an enthusiasm gap between the parties. Obama picked up the theme, announcing to the crowd at the outset that he was "fired up" - another 2008 echo. Then, with his sleeves rolled up and his shirt unbuttoned at the top, Obama rolled out a rollicking 45-minute campaign speech. He defended his record, joked with the crowd and challenged the conventional wisdom that Democrats are going to lose in November. "The prediction among the pundits is, there's going to be a bloodletting for Democrats. That's what they're saying in Washington," Obama said, drawing boos. "And the basis of their prediction is that all of you who worked so hard in 2008 aren't going to be as energized, aren't going to be as engaged." He continued: "Wisconsin, we can't let that happen. We cannot sit this one out. We can't let this country fall backward because the rest of us didn't care enough to fight."

"We can't let that happen." Finally, Obama is not whining about people not cheering him. Instead he is saying everyone needs to roll up their sleeves to fight back the extremist GOP onslaught and to keep trying to move forward. This is the right message. One last thing - keep Biden off the stage please.

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So the "whiner" smear campaign... (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by NealB on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:29:29 AM EST

...was just a dog-whistle thing to nervous donors...and now that the Sept 30 fundraising deadline is passed we can believe in change again?

: For the next 33 days... (5.00 / 3) (#4)
by NealB on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:34:30 AM EST

...I really don't care what the White House message is any more. The more the damage of a Republican wipe-out can be controlled, the better.

I was just reading digby (5.00 / 6) (#5)
by lilburro on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:40:56 AM EST

and she links to this from Michael Moore. It's pretty funny, esp. at the bottom:

OBAMA: Yeah. Um. Joe... Do you think after we lose in November we'll regret not doing more for the majority who elected us two years ago?
BIDEN: No! We'll just blame the left! "It's not our fault! It's not our fault! It's the whiny left who can never be satisfied!"
OBAMA: But then do you think these whiners might do to us in 2012 what they did in (gulp) 2000?
BIDEN: (silence)
OBAMA: (silence)
BIDEN & OBAMA: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

: Funny (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:35:37 AM EST

They'd rather court the (mythical?) centrist Independent than the Nader voter. I don't expect that to change in 2012. Will someone be the 'Nader' of 2012? I'd love to see it.

Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:56:19 AM EST

this is much better but how credible is it after Obama has raised the white flag to the GOP time and again? I mean at least Feingold has a history of going against them so maybe this will help him.

He's asking the troops to fight for something the he himself is not willing to fight for.

Credible or not it's 10 times better than the whining. Carville was saying the other day that it is extremely annoying to people when Obama starts touting his accomplishments as the greatest thing ever! From what I read he thinks he's gotten more done than LBJ. Ha, LBJ for all his problems would have just signed an executive order to end DADT i'm willing to bet.

No (5.00 / 2) (#7)
by Edger on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:10:43 AM EST

He's still blaming the left and independent voters, just in nicer language.

There is no recognition that they lost the support by not producing or at the very least fighting for progressive change.

Of course if they did fight for progressive changes it would be the beginning of a slippery slope and they'd end up trying to top themselves by passing more and more progressive legislation and what would that lead to?

They'd lose the right wing vote that all that bipartisanship and coddling of republicans bought them. ;-)

This is the right message (5.00 / 4) (#8)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:10:53 AM EST

IN A WAY. It is certainly an improvement. Let's get real though. For the past two years people have been working very hard in their real lives, they have been working hard and losing jobs and losing homes and losing their retirements and losing their means to an education and losing what was left of their healthcare that actually heals. They worked hard to get Obama and the Dems elected and then everything went downhill for them from there. We haven't lost a job or a home, but to not join in that pain and suffering that means someone around here goes to a war. Everyone is hurting, everyone is losing, everyone is suffering.....the only people any of us saw who thought it was important to never let them see you sweat was OBAMA AND HIS CREW! The only people who haven't bled and suffered are Obama and his Dems. They couldn't even be bothered to put up a minimal fight while the rest of us are fighting for our lives............AND THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF. And it really pisses me off that this arrogant President hasn't known this, understood this, or even cared to. If he wants to get it now I am on the record this minute as pulling out the peace pipe, calling that good, and fighting my butt of for him. But he isn't there yet, and that in itself is frightening. Is he a complete idiot and does he realize that as far as any of us can tell, two years ago he did nothing but lie to us? He is still missing real life by several hundred miles.

Wow you guys are easy (5.00 / 9) (#10)
by DancingOpossum on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:34:46 AM EST

Translation:

"I know he's been cheating on me and slapping me around and he left me when I was nine months pregnant, but yesterday he said he really, really loved me! He did! I feel sooooo much better and now I'm going to go to the ATM and withdraw all my money so he can buy a new car! He needs a new car, right? I mean, think of the alternative..."

No. I just look at him... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by NealB on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:40:14 AM EST

...and wonder why he's such a jerk sometimes. To extend your analogy, I'm going to take care of the baby.


: But...but (5.00 / 2) (#30)
by jbindc on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:02:23 AM EST

He brought flowers and candy, so everything MUST be okay!

Well, he never said he loved me... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:40:22 AM EST

and the choices are not between being beaten and not being beaten. Unfortunately it is between being beaten and beaten worse.


Beaten by whom though (none / 0) (#19)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:44:21 AM EST

He has been the one beating me. He also has the veto. I can only assume I will be beaten worse by him because he can only lightly mention veto in a sternly worded letter, and then in the backroom tell everyone the veto is off the table...then come home and the beat the hell out of me some more.


YMMV but I think Speaker Boehner (none / 0) (#21)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:48:52 AM EST

will make your life a lot more miserable than Speaker Pelosi. He can do that without ever passing one piece of legislation for Obama to veto or not.


I just can't be the only one sweating (none / 0) (#24)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:57:13 AM EST

and screwed anymore ruffian. It's like enabling drunks or something. Sometimes it is just better to let the drunk go lie in the gutter, and work with what you have to build on. I can burn up all this energy and time saving the drunks or I can have that energy and time to work the issues. There is a group dynamic always....and Obama and his way of doing things is toxic. I'm miserable the way things are, and I don't care what anyone says about the economy recovering because they continue to do exactly what is going to destroy us even more. There is no real recovery. I don't think how this election turns out is going to amount to anything substantial in the grand scheme. I really don't.


I would agree if kicking the Dems out meant a (none / 0) (#29)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:01:56 AM EST

clean slate, but it doesn't.


: It is never a clean slate for a family (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:03:41 AM EST

stuck with a drunk either.

Boehner (none / 0) (#27)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:59:58 AM EST

passing no legislation makes Obama's life miserable not mine. That's not to say that he won't make my life miserable IF he does pass legislation.


As this nation teeters on several brinks (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:12:16 AM EST

there will be no political consequences for Boehner no matter what he is in the House pecking order.

If he is speaker, can he really conduct business in that fashion? Sure...because of who the President is. Obama will go work with him in the backroom and make some bipartisanship that phucks us all some more because that seems to be the only bipartisanship that Obama can make and he likes making it. But whose fault will all that be? The Republicans have gotten everything they wanted and they get to even hide behind Obama on most of it, and I'm supposed to be afraid of Republicans now? If I didn't know better I would have to say that Republicans have been running one of the houses of Congress for the past two years. And Obama is such an idiot it doesn't matter where the Republicans are or what they do.....he is always going to inject himself in such a fashion that political cover will be provided them via his own a$$.


Well, in two years we can try do do something (none / 0) (#44)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:37:00 AM EST

about who the president is. Not an option now though.


: That just feels worse to me :) (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:47:31 AM EST

I don't want a new President, I want the one I bought God Damn It :) Not this knock off :) He made promises. He really blew the hell out of his party taking on one very tough lady with much better leadership skills than apparently he has. He owes me on that. And he snaps that tape and then chokes and chokes and chokes? It is the worst B.S.ing I've had so far in this lifetime. I'm just not going to let him off the hook. I'm part of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and their families completely on the hook for him. I don't give a rip what sort of snowjob he may have thought politicians get to give the people, that was his mental deficiency. I'm here to help him overcome that.

I don't want him in charge of all the oversight (none / 0) (#32)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:06:12 AM EST

of financial institutions, other industries, EPA, and on and on. That has nothing to do with passing new legislation. I think Henry Waxman and Barney Frank do decent jobs as committee chairs. Not perfect, but leaps and bounds better than the alternatives.


I have no evidence that this so (none / 0) (#48)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:52:45 AM EST

Ronald Reagan passed legislation that was more progressive than what Obama has done to the middle class and the poor while being in control of all major power positions. Who was President during the Savings and Loan scandal? Look at what Obama has done to banking now. Based on that POS legislation alone there is no way Obama can make any claim to being a Democrat. In that light, he is the worst Conservative President I've ever had.

I'm sorry, I just can't see how it meaningfully matters who runs the House right now.


: Don't let Donald read that! (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by jbindc on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:10:15 AM EST

You'll be accused of having a chip on your shoulder! : )

Reflect on Newt Gingrich (none / 0) (#63)
by christinep on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 01:23:33 PM EST

He did a lot of damage...by stonewalling. More than "legislative" damage.


Look what Bill Clinton did (none / 0) (#67)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 02:54:32 PM EST

with a Newt Gingrich compared to what Obama has given me and done to me. This is a horrible argument unless you are trying to get me to vote Republicans into power in the House :)


: Actually MT (none / 0) (#70)
by christinep on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:16:38 PM EST

I am not advising you to vote in any way. If you continue to feel this way, perhaps not voting is the honest thing for you to do. Normally, your writing is instructive, compelling, even provocative. But today...since you and others have certainly expressed high emotions, let me just counter (with equally strong conviction) that it sounds as if you are bouncing off the walls with anger. But then, I'm not part of the local choir or group, so it is only my read.

Boehner (none / 0) (#28)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:00:04 AM EST

: And you know what (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:54:57 AM EST

Without Obama being able to pass anymore of his heinous disgusting middle class destroying legislation anymore......he might actually empower one of the agencies that he completely holds sway over to do something like enforce an existing law that has stood the test of time. His terrific legislation has done little else other than destroy GOOD EXISTING LAWS that weren't being enforced.

Hey MT (none / 0) (#62)
by christinep on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39:29 PM EST

Don't let them get to you with the psychobabble. This isn't a husband/wife thing; this is a governance of a broad-based American people thing. From my POV, the emotional ups & downs/reactions to the past two years makes sense; so, does your desire for a kind of "reconciliation" (as it were) and a moving forward. Frankly, the best I can come up with is what former President Clinton recently said: (Paraphrasing) Hey, its two years into the first term...its starting and moving forward...stick with us and, if we don't get it done by the end of the first term, throw the lot of us out." That makes a lot of sense too.


A clear memory of what (none / 0) (#64)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 01:26:52 PM EST

Obama has really done though, and how he treats his base......it has a distinct wife beater flavor in that the things he has done are responsible for what happens in our lives. He is the authority in our lives. When most of what he has done has only aided in the destruction of our lives and then he tells us to STFU, he may not be my boyfriend but he is an even larger authority than a boyfriend and he really hasn't earned any loyalty or affection from me.

It is true that we have only had 20 months to tend to anything, but things are bad. No more turning the page or bipartisanship crap or only looking forward anymore. Obama burnt the house down getting into the White House, and then he does nothing greater than keep on burning houses down. This is not working for me and it isn't working for the whole country either. I'm really mad at him, his stupid ideas that have led us deeper into crapville, and his inability to look at the real world and look in the mirror and become the person who will get this country back on track and fight the giant money and the slobs that are destroying basic people and the whole middle class.


: I appreciate your perspective (none / 0) (#68)
by christinep on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:03:26 PM EST

but, I do not give any President "authority" over my life. Heck, even in the 3 Branches of government, we are reminded anew of the checks & balances (and obstruction too.) Clearly, whoever is President can and does have a more personal effect in our lives--via Supreme Court nominations and influence in foreign policy, e.g.--than some might acknowledge. Yet, that is a far cry from being disappointed in the flaws of a lover.
Another thought: The trap of the domestic household analogy is that an analogist could easily find him/herself in the corner of a superheated and angry dilemma.

So stupid (5.00 / 4) (#46)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:45:06 AM EST

He's not my boyfriend.

I'm commenting on the efficacy of the political message.

Just incredible how stupid these threads can be.


It's all well and good to fine-tune (5.00 / 6) (#50)
by Anne on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:03:20 AM EST

a message, but it's still just talk, and talk, as we should know better than ever, is cheap - and at this stage, really disrespectful, in an of-course-I'll-love-you-in-the-morning kind of way.

Where, exactly, is the evidence that however this new Congress and Senate is ordered, Democrats will be able to deliver - no, make that willing to deliver - the kinds of things they promised two years ago? And I don't just mean "something" that can be checked off a list like "Pick up dry cleaning."

Are we supposed to be trotting off to the polls like abuse victims trotting back to their abusers, hopeful that we can maintain a status quo that wasn't particularly great, just because, if we don't, it will be worse? When did the dynamic shift to us having to get in line and behave well - "or else" - instead of us telling them to get in line - or else?

The essay question today is: how will electing Democrats who legislate like Republicans, and vote like Republicans, and pout and stomp their feet when they need to bully their more progressive colleagues into doing what they want - like Republicans, and who align with Republicans in order to get their way, be even marginally better than the Republicans who would replace them if they lose in November?

Hint: "Because they said so" will receive an automatic "F." As will, "but, but...where else do we have to go?"

The bonus question is: how do we get back the upper hand and stop acting like sheep?


Nice Jon Stewart bit (5.00 / 1) (#71)
by Farmboy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:42:51 PM EST

Only he did it first, and about the GOP.


You win the bestest of the bestest (none / 0) (#14)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:38:08 AM EST

comment today. This is our existence.


I figured it out (5.00 / 1) (#40)
by Xclusionary Rule 4ever on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:24:26 AM EST

He knows the house is lost, and he wants to blame the base in 2012 for screwing up the midterms. "I told you to buck up and stop whining and now look what you did!" He and Biden went to the ladies room and cooked up this plot. My humorous take on it.

: More than one online commenter (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by kmblue on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:28:15 AM EST

agrees with your take.
Since Obama always protects Obama, no matter what, I think you have a point.

: Honey (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by jbindc on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:33:25 AM EST

If they went to the ladies' room to cook up a plot, they would have come out ready to fight on their 4 inch stilletos.
And they would have had a back up plan.
:)

My Presidential encounter (5.00 / 4) (#66)
by Ben Masel on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 02:32:03 PM EST

The initial invites all specified "No signs allowed.' inquiries to the University Police and state party all blamed this on the Secret Service.

I called the local Secret service office, and my Atty and a Wisconsin State Journal reporter reached the Secret Service Agent in charge of the event, in each case hearing that their rules only bar signpoles, not signs.

Next, the line became "The DNC rented the space from the University, and they're allowed their own rules. Jeff found a 6th Circuit case in agreement, so we didn't seek an injunction.

Instead, I took my "HEMP IS JOBS" placard to the hotel where Obama had a pre-rally event for highrollers. Here, the Madison officers advised "Ben, you can stand here if you want, but you REALLY want to be on the other side of the street." this placed me where the limo slowed for a tight turn, giving the President a clear view at 18 feet. On reading, he flashed me a smile and 'salute.'

(As an Illinois state senator he'd twice voted for bills which would have directed the State's AG schools to seek permits for rearch on hemp.)

Go Ben! (none / 0) (#69)
by Tony on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:13:44 PM EST

A man of principle shows up here (none / 0) (#72)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 04:51:49 PM EST

With a principled plug for Obama, how can a girl complain?


Neither a plug nor a bash, (none / 0) (#73)
by Ben Masel on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 05:01:06 PM EST

but a story to tell.


: It is a good story too (none / 0) (#74)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 05:10:25 PM EST

If I can get the salute to become something of substance....holy wow! I've got a salute after you jumped through a thousand hoops. Erm......did he salute you though because you managed a thousand hoops? :)

We need Masel (none / 0) (#75)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 06:18:18 PM EST

in public office somewhere.

Can you run for a race where you can win?

City council? Something?

I love issues candidacies but you should win one some time.


NOT City Council (none / 0) (#76)
by Ben Masel on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 06:56:33 PM EST

Pays only like $4,000 a year, no benefits, and people expect you tol always be on the jobs. Most of the work's areas in which i have little expertise.

I like my Assembly rep too much to run against him. (I'd filed when the seat became open as Tammy Baldwin ran for Congress, then stepped aside.)

State Senate's more of a possibility. Incumbent Fred Risser's been in office since 1958.


: Let's do it then (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 06:58:38 PM EST

We can win it!

Yes, that's a lot better (none / 0) (#1)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:19:46 AM EST

I hope they are done with the base-bashing for a while. Maybe the triangulation gods have been assuaged.

: My interest (none / 0) (#2)
by lilburro on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 08:25:19 AM EST

in my local race is pretty much guaranteed. I think Obama's role should be in getting people to contribute to the DNC, DCCC, DSCC, and other races outside of your state/district by tying it all together. And I definitely don't see how base bashing would accomplish any of those goals. This is indeed a much better message.

keep Biden off the stage (none / 0) (#9)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:31:14 AM EST

pleaaaaaaase.

I agree the performance yesterday was encouraging.
and the new wsj/nbc poll says the famous "enthusiasm gap" has narrowed to three points.

Hey, Biden only said 'buck up'. (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by steviez314 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:09:35 AM EST

He could have made a REAL gaffe.


See (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by jbindc on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:19:52 AM EST

I don't think Biden makes "gaffes". I think Biden actually speaks the truth as to his and the administration's thinking, but because it isn't polished spin language, it gets touted as a "gaffe".

Joe says what he's actually thinking.


: He did great (none / 0) (#42)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:28:44 AM EST

passing out hotdogs to soldiers on the Colbert Report :)

Imagine what would (none / 0) (#12)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:36:35 AM EST

happen to that gap if Obama got gutsy and became a real Democrat.

If we could hear it in his voice as well that he had sacked up and we knew it wasn't just another pretty speech......whew, we would be beating the hell out of the Republicans.


Well, (none / 0) (#15)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:39:40 AM EST

that's good news but 3 points would be enough to lose the house I would imagine.


the enthusiasm gap is not necessarily (none / 0) (#18)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:43:39 AM EST

the voting gap. I think lots of people will be holding their noses and voting Dem.


Most likely (none / 0) (#20)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:47:36 AM EST

They should feel the breath of Satan on the back of their necks though and as far as bluedogs (who cares if they don't make it....they voted Republican anyhow), they have brought this reality on themselves.


the reason it is closing (5.00 / 3) (#22)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:49:24 AM EST

is certainly not anything the dems have done. IMO it is entirely the result of starting to listen to the rebublicans.

and it will continue to close I think.


That is (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:58:01 AM EST

what I'm thinking too. I mean the nominees for the GOP are just freaking crazy. These groups people come out of like Concerned Women for America are just plain scary.


Yup. Once people get a good look at some of these (none / 0) (#23)
by ruffian on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:56:53 AM EST

folks, their incumbent Dem will not seem so bad. And that is no compliment to the incumbent Dem. (I'm talking to you, Suzanne Kosmas.)


: And I'm good with this dynamic (none / 0) (#26)
by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:58:34 AM EST

I'll take every vote to be had by those actually listening to the Republicans and noticing that they are completely out of their minds.

Better approach than the whining, ... (none / 0) (#13)
by Yman on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 09:37:37 AM EST

And the basis of their prediction is that all of you who worked so hard in 2008 aren't going to be as energized, aren't going to be as engaged.

... but with a 19 point Republican enthusiasm lead, and younger voters losing interest (who woulda thunk?), I'd be placing my money on a bloodletting.

Guess it's all about mitigating the damage at this point.

I'm wondering what made that (none / 0) (#33)
by kmblue on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:09:29 AM EST

arrogant jerk change his tune slightly.
Did somebody finally go online?

: He had to do so -- a different audience. (5.00 / 3) (#37)
by Cream City on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:18:38 AM EST

Obama was talking to a primarily very young crowd of new voters, even a lot (from interviews and descriptions of the crowd in local media) of potential first-time voters in 2010 who could not vote yet in 2008.
This was not the sort of crowd to be able to relate to whining, "you know those darn Dems and how they always have been. . . ." They don't know.
Now, this crowd would have liked a reprise of Obama's boomer-bashing -- but as he now is going gray, as local media also pointed out, maybe not.

To little to late (none / 0) (#35)
by Slado on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:10:24 AM EST

I'm afraid.

Now he's attacking Fox News again. He does one smart thing then a dumb one.

I am constantly amazed at his arrogance. He simply thinks he's smarter then everyone else and it constantly gets him in trouble.

That is dumb (none / 0) (#56)
by Edger on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:29:04 AM EST

No one needs to point out that Fox News is 'destructive' to America. Anybody with any brains at all already knows that.


probably true (none / 0) (#59)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37:34 AM EST

but in a country where the average IQ has dropped below the average shoe size it doesnt hurt to point it out.

I disagree. I think he should say this in every speech.


: Well, I'd agree I suppose (none / 0) (#60)
by Edger on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:41:14 AM EST

If he's also balance it with pointing out daily the dumb messaging coming from the White House too. ;-)

If it empowers those who need it, great (none / 0) (#39)
by vicndabx on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:21:20 AM EST

Substantively tho, there is no difference between this message and the so-called "chastising" from the previous days.

Sheesh (none / 0) (#45)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:43:36 AM EST

Politics is stupid, but sometimes the observers of politics are stupider.


Indeed (none / 0) (#52)
by vicndabx on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:08:30 AM EST

You're the one who believes those who "need to be convinced" as you said yesterday will feel different upon hearing this message. Witness this thread as evidence against how effective the message is for those folks.


Witness THIS thread? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:24:00 AM EST

Are you nuts? This thread and the larger electorate (or even just Dems) have little in common. You think it does? You're nuts.


: Hopefully you are right (none / 0) (#58)
by vicndabx on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:36:37 AM EST

This thread and the larger electorate (or even just Dems) have little in common
and I'm nuts.

Obama (none / 0) (#57)
by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:35:24 AM EST

has a credibility problem that he has created himself hence the lack of belief or excitement.


So (none / 0) (#65)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 01:38:35 PM EST

Obama insulting his base is bad.

On the other hand, when you insult your "base," it's good.

You might consider leading by example.


: When I need your votes (none / 0) (#78)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 07:00:35 PM EST

I'll consider it.
In the meantime, I can call you all out, as you can do to me.
We're all adults here.

BS (none / 0) (#51)
by squeaky on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:03:44 AM EST

Although, it is true that the majority of comments are no different. For many here, it does not matter what Obama does, because he is eeeeeevil.


: Wrong (5.00 / 3) (#61)
by hookfan on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 12:38:37 PM EST

It does not matter what he SAYS. It matters a great deal what he DOES.

: My point to BTD..... (none / 0) (#53)
by vicndabx on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:09:37 AM EST