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In Defense Of The New Establishment Bloggers

Regular readers know that I pick many a nit (usually more than a nit) with the New Establishment bloggers (see. e.g., Ezra Klein, Jon Cohn, Kevin Drum, etc.) In a funny post, Matt Yglesias takes a hit:

The more I read Matthew Yglesias* the more he resembles a David Brooks with training wheels. Yglesias is usually inoffensive and has a fine grasp of the obvious. Wherever society needs a Harvard graduate to step up to the lectern and pass on conventional wisdom, he is there.

That's funny. But I don't think it's true. Matt is a pretty varied thinker on most issues. I also think he is wrong about a lot of things, especially his evaluation of politics. But Matt is very smart and most of the time, pretty interesting. More . . .

My biggest beef with the New Establishment bloggers is their willingness to allow the perception that they are the Left Flank of the Democratic Party. This is less true for Yglesiast (and Kevin Drum) than folks like Ezra Klein and Jon Cohn, who often went on television to present "the progressive view" of various issues, particularly health care. That bothered me a lot, given my view that the Democratic Party needs a strong Left Flank.The views of the New Establishment bloggers are generally rational, intelligent and well expressed, but they are certainly do not represent the Left Flank of the Democratic Party. (In case anyone is wondering, neither do mine.)

I know it is difficult sometimes for these bloggers to grasp, but they are forming a New Establishment. I imagine they are wondering why they are not getting Joe Klein money when they are basically replacing Joe Klein. I wonder that myself.

But this creation of a New Establishment Media is a good thing in my opinion. To have a rational, intelligent and articulate Center-Left Establishment that engages the Left Flank is an important step forward.

But these New Establishment bloggers should also recognize that in fact they are not the Left Flank, and try their best to make sure this is understood.

Like pols, for pundits, being able to define yourself as "The Middle" has great value in influencing the public discourse. It's never fun to be sniped at of course. But it has great value. For pols and pundits.

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    I think the New Establishment Bloggers (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:05:56 PM EST
    and the New Democratic Party could not be more perfectly matched; they could even be an eHarmony/Match.com successful-relationship story (matched since 2008 Democratic primary season!).  

    When the Democrats do X, Y, or Z, we always have these blogging voices to tell us why - to explain why it isn't as bad as it looks, that there is some deeply complex method to their madness that will make sense to us someday soon - if we can just control our reflexive urge to criticize.  They tell us to be patient.  To understand.  

    If only they could curb their reflexive urge to defend, no matter how egregious or flagrant or craven the actions and policies coming out of the administration or the Congress, and get back to keeping Democratic feet to the fire.  Instead, they give them pass after pass after pass - after all, the Republicans are always worse!

    If they're not going to be voices of accountability, if they're not interested in putting their little mainstream and quasi-mainstream gigs at risk, then let them stop masquerading as progressives, stop trying to somehow rehabilitate the liberal identity by passing off center-right, New Dem ideas and policies as progressive.

    I got to remembering the other day that when my mother had her stroke in 2003, she initially presented with what is called left-side neglect; essentially, she was unaware of anything that was going on to the left of the brain's mid-line: if you stood on her left side, she didn't see you, if you put something in her left hand, she couldn't feel it - it was as if that side of her body didn't belong to her.  Thankfully, almost all of that resolved, but applying it to the New Democratic Party - and these New Establishment Bloggers - it is as if they have a terrible case of left-side neglect: they don't see us, they don't hear us - it's as if we aren't there at all.

    And these New Establishment Bloggers, who could be confronting the New Democratic Party head-on, so they couldn't be ignored, and would see and would hear, seem to have developed a pretty bad case of left-side neglect, as well.

    It's why I seldom read the bloggers listed: they just don't speak for me, and it irritates me beyond belief that not only do they consider themselves progressive, but they have been part of changing what it means to be liberal or progressive in the eyes of others.

    Leaving those of us who are truly liberal, in the best sense of what that is supposed to mean, marginalized and invisible, dismissed and discounted as not mattering.

    In my opinion, policy and legislation have suffered for that - which means the people have suffered for that.  

    And I don't know how to fix it, which is hard to think about it's so damn depressing.


    In Matt's own words (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:16:56 PM EST
    It was suggested to me by a number of parties this week that I should give some explicit account of why the blog has turned in what you might call a more "neoliberal" (though I don't really like the term) direction of late. There's a couple of reasons. One is simply product differentiation--I don't think just writing the same posts as Kevin Drum and Ezra Klein and Jon Chait is what the world needs from me, but we obviously all have similar political opinions. The other is the point I've made before, namely that with the passage of the Affordable Care Act the long struggle to expand the scope of the welfare state is largely over. [emphasis supplied]

    (link)

    So if principles are what you're looking for...

    Sure wish I had been wearing my (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 03:22:58 PM EST
    hip boots before reading that from Matt; what a load of crap.

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    David Brooks with training wheels (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdm251 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 06:40:25 PM EST
    the image of David Brooks riding around with training wheels is hard to get out of my head.

    The Comment Above Is False (none / 0) (#6)
    by jason3 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 10:33:23 PM EST
    Yglesias has utterly renounced the views quoted above, which, vile as they are, were written when he was a twenty-year-old amateur blogger and college student. Anyone who reads his blog regularly knows he allots significant space to advocating that the US government apply more pressure toward Israel to better recognize the rights and suffering of Palestinians. His Iraq views, similarly, were renounced years and years ago, and he has spent his time since developing expertise in this area and advocating less militaristic, more collaborative approaches to foreign relations. The fact that his critics have to reach back to eight-year-old posts from an amateur blog shows they are apparently insecure about engaging his mature work. In any event, this rehashing is petty and misleading, when not outright inaccurate, as is the case here. If you have disagreements with his current work, address them; maybe we can learn something from you.

    I deleted that comment (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:17:56 PM EST
    as a personal attack on Matt. Personal attacks are not allowed here. I have championed Matt since he was at Harvard when he first began blogging (and Ezra even more) and while BTD and others are free to criticize their writing, commenters may not personally attack them.  (Here's a photo with Matt, Ezra, Atrios and me from Boston in 2004 when we all attended the DNC convention.)

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    The same quote from "Big Media" Matt (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Jacob Freeze on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 02:26:40 AM EST
    And no, calling Matt Yglesias "Big Media" can't reasonably be construed as a personal attack on that worthy and extremely representative graduate of my alma mater, because Matt's friends also call him "Big Media," and that affectionate nick-name was coined by none other than Duncan Black, aka Atrios!

    So here's the same quote from Matt Iglesias, but this time without any "personal" reflections about what kind of writers write this sort of thing.


    AFTER THE LATEST DEPRESSING news from the Middle East I think we have to start asking just how inhumane it would be for Israel to just expel the Palestinians from the occupied terroritories. The result would probably be out-and-out war with the neighboring Arab states, but Israel could win that.

    All forced population transfers are humanitarian disasters, of course, but so is the current situation. It's not like there's not any room in the whole Arab world for all these Palestinian Arabs to go live in, it's just that the other Arab leaders don't want to cooperate.

    It's also worth remembering on a purely impersonal plane that Matt Yglesias supported the invasion of Iraq, although most of those diaries have disappeared from the internet, and are only recalled in Matt's entry at Wikipedia and other second-hand sources.

    And I'm not asserting that it wasn't very smart to support the invasion of Iraq, so if Big Tent and Jeralyn want to believe that "Matt is very smart," all I can say, without getting personal, is...

    Hurrah!

    It really depends on what you mean by "smart," and there's a very common meaning of "smart" which perfectly fits Matt Yglesias' support for the invasion of Iraq in 2002 and 2003.

    That was way way back before Matt Yglesias became "Big Media" Matt Yglesias, and at that time it was poison for other formerly "Big Media" personalities like Phil Donohue and Bill Mahr to utter even the mildest criticism of George W. Bush's imbecilic plans and projects.

    So it's fair to say that if Matt Yglesias had any ambition to become "Big Media" Matt Yglesias way back in 2002, it was very very smart for Matt Yglesias to support the invasion of Iraq!

    Because if Matt Yglesias had opposed the invasion of Iraq with anything remotely resembling the vehemence that some of us "Small Media" non-persons applied to that obvious abomination, then...

    There isn't a chance in Hell that Matt Yglesias would have turned into "Big Media" Matt Yglesias, and his brilliant career would have gone down the tubes with Phil Donohue and Bill Maher and the very few others who had the balls and integrity to sacrifice their personal ambition for the public good.

    But that really wasn't very "smart" of them, now was it?


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    that wasn't your insult and you know it (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 02:33:21 AM EST
    the comment I deleted of yours was a personal attack and had nothing to do with "big media."

    If you want to debate what Matt wrote 11 years ago, why don't you do it at his site or your alma-mater site.

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    Pre-emption (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jacob Freeze on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 06:33:11 AM EST
    I wasn't claiming that "Big Media" was the original insult, but merely advancing a pre-emptive defense against the possibility of interpreting "Big Media" as yet another insult.

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    I thought I was defending him (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:55:56 PM EST
    in this post.

    I like his work.

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    First of all (none / 0) (#12)
    by SOS on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 10:54:26 AM EST
    someone needs to contact Matt today and tell him he is is operating an outdated and insecure version of his blog. Putting others at risk just be visiting his spot.

    Yglesias, Drum, et al (none / 0) (#13)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Oct 01, 2010 at 11:07:49 AM EST
    Gleen Greenwald and others holding up the fight from the further left definitely have their role in pulling progressive thought in the right direction. But let's not fool ourselves. The bloggers on the far left are the much nicer, smarter, intelligent logical (and correct) versions of Malkin or Instapundit. When I visit Greenwald for example, I generally agree with everything he says.

    But the Yglesias's of the world are just as important. Although they don't come down on the progressive side on every issue, that is in fact their virtue. They bring much needed perspective and credibility to progressive positions. Simply put, the moderates that everyone is fighting over in the middle tend to respect those folks. My conservative friends think highly of all of the people sited, in much the same way that I have a grudging respect for Frum.

    These "new establishment" types are key to the progressive success. Will we always agree with them? No. But should we support the contribution they are making overall? Certainly.

    When I want a clear look at an issue from a progressive perspective (but not an unrealistic one) I read them first. I go and read Firedog or Greenwald or others afterwards to balance it out, but they are that important to our cause I think.