Thursday Night Open Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 09:51:20 PM EST
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I'm having major Windows 7 network connectivity issues with my new laptop. I'm sick of unplugging and replugging the modem and router, only to have it work for a few days and then go out again. (Right now my desktop and windows vista laptop is working, the windows 7 is not. Yesterday, the windows 7 worked and the Vista went out. The desktop, which not wireless, is fine.) Good thing there's a lot of TV tonight, from the premiere of Gray's Anatomy to The Apprentice, Project Runway and even a new episode of Jersey Shore.

There's also the premiere of Outsourced. I have no idea if it will be as good as the movie, which I not only liked, but credit with giving me more patience and a sense of humor when I am connected to tech support or customer service reps in India.

The Defenders last night wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Jim Belushi and the young female associate were good. The other guy, Jerry O'Connell, is way too bland and goofy and his ADDHD mannerisms are not as cute as he thinks they are. Also, the sexcapades between him and the female D.A. are just cheesy.

On the other hand, Survivor Nicaragua is better than expected, with its old vs. young theme. The old people all seem to have a screw or two loose, a welcome change from the one-dimensional, over-jocked types they usually cast in people over 40. [More...]

I'm not sure I can stand much more of Mahsa on the Apprentice. She is as grating as Omarosa, without the attributes. She's billed as a tough prosecutor who is likely to bring her courtroom skills and passion for justice to the show. Please. She got her law degree in 2009. So right after getting hired by the DA's office in Brooklyn, she takes a leave to be on the Apprentice? What she's done so far is make internet videos for the DA's office. She's looking for a media career, not a justice career, and law school was just a way she thought she could improve her communication skills.

Are there any shows worth watching out there this season? Seems like it just might be a bust.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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Eddie Fisher died. Cannot tell you (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:10:25 AM EST

what a big deal he, Debbie Reynolds, and Elizabeth Tayor were in the bad old days. Carrie Fisher's latest one-woman show traces all that history and more in a very humorous fashion.

: I remember my mom trying to explain it all (none / 0) (#28)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:50:53 AM EST

I never did get it straight!

: Liz and Dick (none / 0) (#65)
by jondee on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 02:58:29 PM EST

and Debbie and Eddie..Oy and double oy..
That horrible Elizabeth Taylor and that poor Debbie Reynolds..:)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio misusing funds (5.00 / 3) (#16)
by Yman on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:46:06 AM EST

Hope Joe likes wearing pink and living in a tent. Can't imagine the baloney sandwiches will go over well ...

Fix some popcorn. (none / 0) (#18)
by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:48:51 AM EST

This could be exciting.


: There's no mention ... (none / 0) (#20)
by Yman on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:54:33 AM EST

... of any criminal charges at this point, but yeah ...
... this could be really good.

80 Million? (none / 0) (#29)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:53:12 AM EST

Oh baby...at the very least maybe we can get this bastard out of the law enforcement racket.

Trying Ringo, trying real hard, not to wish the Sheriff Joe treatment on Sheriff Joe...and it's hard god damn work!


The Defenders (none / 0) (#1)
by lentinel on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 10:03:44 PM EST

wasn't too bad - but the formulaic mixing up a little story with the clips of the personal picadillos of the protagonists is annoying and difficult to sit through.

The scene in which the Belushi character manipulates the judge into not adding the alternative of involuntary manslaughter seemed highly unlikely.

Do such things really happen? Could a judge be so dumb?
Are judges not informed of jurors questions? If he/she were, would any be so stupid as to not realize the implication as easily as Belushi did?

And the billboard! Complete with a 555 phone number.
Please!

Is this new Defenders show (none / 0) (#6)
by Peter G on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 11:56:37 PM EST

an update of the series with E.G. Marshall and Robert Reed that I watched in the early '60s and which contributed mightily to the direction of my life?


no, it started out being (none / 0) (#7)
by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59:03 PM EST

based on our pal Mickey and then it switched to being about two Vegas lawyers I've never heard of. It's mostly a comedy.


Too bad (none / 0) (#8)
by Peter G on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:02:26 AM EST

Hoo-ray for Hollywood, I suppose. (none / 0) (#10)
by EL seattle on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:51:43 AM EST

As near as I can tell, neither Barry Levinson or Mickey Sherman are associated with the current series. (Check out this NY Post report is from this past June for more info.)

Personally, I was hoping for a '60's retro revival of the E.G. Marshall Defenders. But so it goes.

Of course, there were some other Defenders back in the day that would still make for some interesting television. Maybe these Defenders could team up with Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law? It would probably be just as believable as the premise for the new Jimmy Smits legal show.


: Hollywooden (none / 0) (#11)
by lentinel on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:46:47 AM EST

I think Belushi's character is entertaining.
The story line is mixed. Some serious stuff - a young person facing a possible 40 year sentence unless he accepts a plea bargain for a crime he claims he did not commit.
The story sort of rambles on, but is mixed in with episodes of what I can only refer to as T&A, and some unwanted glimpses into the personal lives of the protagonists. These little breaks stop the flow of the story so that Hooray for Hollywood can inject its predictable crap du jour.
It has none of the seriousness of the earlier version of the Defenders with E.G.
As I noted above, the most entertaining scene in the show, in which the Belushi character manipulates the judge, is completely unbelievable to me.

the router is (none / 0) (#3)
by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 10:36:11 PM EST

a d-link 625, Range Booster N, which apparently has an "end of life expectancy" of 9/1/10. Maybe it is time to shop for a new one, and swap my cable modem for a 3.0 vs. the current 2.0. Thanks for the tip.

Modem problems (none / 0) (#4)
by gyrfalcon on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 11:06:03 PM EST

I'm on creaky country DSL, and the modem is constant pain in the neck, even though I've swapped out for new ones several times. No idea why, but it goes out periodically for no reason and has to be reset, usually just as I'm frantically trying to download or upload something work-related right at deadline. Arrgggh.

It's particularly cranky when the computer's been off overnight, cuts in and out and in and out, so I've learned to leave the computer on overnight since I usually need it rather urgently first thing in the AM, and pick a few hours mid-day to turn it off for a few hours to make it happy.

I remember with great fondness the pre-Windows early days when one could know what the purpose was of every single one of the small number of files for both the operating system and the software. Now it's just like dealing with some very irascible and uncooperative magician in the box.

Really no reason to ever turn it off (none / 0) (#5)
by andgarden on Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 11:37:48 PM EST

If Windows wants to reboot for an update, it will let you know. Otherwise, there's Suspend (or Hibernate, or whatever MS is calling sleep mode these days).


Unfortunately (none / 0) (#22)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:35:13 AM EST

it does let me know after several days-- by suddenly discovering conflicts between various programs and freezing up, usually at an exceptionally inconvenient time.

I use a somewhat odd collection of software for my work, including a genuinely ancient DOS-based word-processing program called XyWrite, which ran from a single big floppy in the pre-hard disk days, so uses some unusual memory calls, etc. The software has some odd quirks in XP's faux DOS that it didn't have before, so there are clearly some conflicts there. I suspect that's a good part of what causes the problem.

I also need to use a couple different media players for different clients, and after a few days of working back and forth, those start to freeze up unpredictably, too.

Everything runs much more smoothly if I shut down or restart the computer once in a while.


Why can't the client upgrade from the (none / 0) (#25)
by DFLer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:47:33 AM EST

ancient dos Xywrite?

What a pain. The OpenOffice Writer form oracle (free) does a pretty good job of reading lots of formats. I wonder if it would read a xywrite file?


: Not the client (none / 0) (#59)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:25:41 PM EST

I'm the one who sticks with XyWrite. It is still, old as it is, by far the most versatile and user-friendly WP software that exists. It's a PC version of the Atex mainframe and then minicomputer-based system all newspapers and magazines used to use. (No idea whether Atex is still used or not these days.)
It's basically ASCII, though you can do formatting with it. But as an ASCII system, the files are easily ported to any other WP software and then formatted.
It's command-driven, not menu-driven, so vastly easier to use once you learn the commands. It's also infinitely customizable and user-programmable. And all of that in only a small fraction of the size of any Windows program. It's really just a splendid piece of software from the days when computer memory was tiny and code had to be very tightly written, unlike today's sprawling pigmesses.
It was doing great for years, and then was bought by IBM-- which promptly dropped it when IBM decided to abandon its newly formed software division after a very brief experiment. But it still has a large number of devotees among writers and editors. MS Word is a tedious, cumbersome, clunky, uncooperative piece o' c**p by comparison.
The client issues only come in with the media players. They'd have to pry XyWrite from my cold dead hands!

More likely than not (none / 0) (#56)
by Makarov on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:32:19 PM EST

you have an issue with NAT IP addresses or just a bad router. The way Network Address Translation works - a device appears on the network, and the router issues a license to use a particular IP address for a period of time (typically between 4 hours and 2 days, with 2 days being more common).

Sometimes, a device that isn't always on (like a laptop or printer) will get an IP address, and when it turns back on (typically from suspended mode) it tries to use the address it was previously assigned. The router, not seeing that IP address in use for a while, may have re-assigned the address to another device. This creates a conflict which prevents one or both computers attempting to use the same address from working. Rebooting the computers/printers involved should fix this.

I get around this problem by assigning static IP addresses to my desktops, laptop, and printer.

If your router works fine for all your networked devices except one or two, then there is likely nothing wrong with it, and it's an IP address issue.


: Oh, and (none / 0) (#57)
by Makarov on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:36:52 PM EST

there's no reason to change out your cable modem until your cable company tells you that you have to.
Myself, and I've worked in cable for a long time, I always rent my modem from the cable company. I've had enough intermittent problems with performance at a couple different physical addresses that I know the first thing a provider will do is blame the modem you bought for $50+. If it's their modem, you can swap it out and rule out that problem very easily.

I thought it was good for a first episode (none / 0) (#13)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 07:20:27 AM EST

establishing the setting and setting up the characters. I think the story line with the younger guy is going to be interesting- is he working for Nucky, informing on him, or freelancing altogether?

Still am not sure what happened that made the guy get whacked at the end of the episode. I must have missed something or maybe you're right and the plot is shaky.

I don think it is all way too clean though. I think it was probably a lot grimier in real life.

I thought the guy (none / 0) (#49)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:09:55 PM EST

that got whacked at the end was the wife-beater who caused his wife to miscarry -- they seem to be setting up a future romance between her and Steve B. I also sense comparisons between her and his dead wife from the photo he was holding of her. But I didn't pay that close attention. I'm not crazy about Buscemi in the role, he's so uncomfortable to watch. Johnny Depp would have been perfect.


: There was the wife beater (none / 0) (#51)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:14:40 PM EST

But wasn't there someone else too? I'll have to watch again.
I'm surprised at how much I like Buscemi. I had my doubts going in, but to me he has some kind of charisma that makes me watch. Kind of like Tom Petty in that way, I was thinking. I never thought Petty was attractive until I saw him in concert.

: colosimo, the restaurant owner (none / 0) (#54)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:21:22 PM EST

Is who I was thinking of. Had to read the episode guide on HBO to remember. Maybe it was revenge at Rothstein for cheating at the casino.

30 Rock is still good (none / 0) (#14)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 07:21:49 AM EST

I really related to Liz last night!

I don't watch 30 Rock (none / 0) (#23)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:35:27 AM EST

I don't watch much dramatic television that isn't cable. I just started watching 'The Middle' because some of our friends that are older than we are and sort stand in parents said that the child "Brick" reminds them of my husband. We watched an episode and I was hooked, it tickles my funny bone. Too bad I can't get snowed in anymore and have a whole day to do Netflix on something I've never watched before.


: 30 Rock is pretty funny (none / 0) (#32)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:56:34 AM EST

and easy to enjoy without a lot of time or brain power invested. There is always something silly going on that makes me laugh.
I like Tina Fey's single woman on the brink of 'it's now or never' for a relationship. She really captures it.

I get to 'test 'drive' an iPad for a week... (none / 0) (#15)
by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:38:36 AM EST

one of our higher-ups is big on technology, and after reading about it here, decided to be a guinea pig for our organization.

I'm sure I'll be asking for advice! I don't know what apps are already loaded, so let's have a lot of open threads, please!

Let me know what you are most interested in (none / 0) (#17)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:47:19 AM EST

and I can recommend some good apps.

If you are on Netflix, their free app is a must. Also IMBD is great.


: I do have Netflix... (none / 0) (#19)
by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:49:55 AM EST

and thanks! I'll be trying it out over the weekend and next week.

Second season... (none / 0) (#21)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:09:36 AM EST

of "Eastbound and Down" starts Sunday on HBO, Kenny Powers goes to the Mexican League!

Danny McBride is one funny dude, gonna be tough to top Season 1 though. Catch up On-Demand if ya missed it.

I hate peanut harvest! (none / 0) (#24)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:41:11 AM EST

I'm on antibiotic because my sinuses are such a mess that an infection started, so is Joshua. I'm on a strong dose of antihistimine and the "bad" decongestant that they make meth out of. My eustation tubes were swollen closed and just now my right ear finally cleared. Still no rain to rain the junk out of the air. I HATE PEANUT HARVEST!

Supposed to rain and cool down (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:48:53 AM EST

this weekend up here, MT, I think down there also.

Sorry for your troubles.


I think I may need to check into (none / 0) (#30)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:54:56 AM EST

getting to some of the docs that are working harder on allergy immunity. I don't blame my doctor for not wanting to risk me going into shock by trying to give me allergy shots. He really isn't set up to do risky things. There are some docs now though who are doing clinics where they amp you up aggresively with steriods, then they hit you with the shots and get you to where you can do it regularly without steriods. They have been experiencing a lot of success being able to get people on a regime of allergy shots that way who have never been able to do it in the past.


I had to take steroids to counteract (none / 0) (#38)
by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:17:34 AM EST

the side effects of chemo. Personally I hated them because they made me ADHD to the point that I had trouble focusing on anything what so ever and had trouble sitting still. Another woman I know didn't have the same reaction. She said they just gave her more energy which she needed.

So I hope if you go that route you tolerate them better than I did.


: I have to take them sometimes (none / 0) (#39)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:21:32 AM EST

and may end up taking them if I can get on top of this sinus thing. I hate them too. I do everything I can to avoid them. It would be a calculated suffering in order to get to something better longterm.

They sure love it down in Dothan! (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by republicratitarian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:13:06 AM EST

Someone needs to help them (none / 0) (#40)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:24:01 AM EST

though with the Peanut Festival. It is horrible. It is a sad celebration if you have ever been to Cheyenne Frontier Days or even the Wyoming State Fair. Nobody lives in Wyoming but they know how to throw a yearly party :) Even the rides for the kids are sad. Who is behind putting this thing together?


If you ask people in Dothan about the (none / 0) (#53)
by republicratitarian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:17:51 PM EST

peanut festival, they think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.


: I'm too broke right now to take (none / 0) (#66)
by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 05:34:26 PM EST

them all to a real party :) Ronnie Gilley tries to spruce things up, but that is a real love/hate relationship for the locals. I have not been to BamaJam even though I only live about a mile away. I can hear it in my backyard :) He seems to have been improving that yearly though.

Internal Fiorina polling shows (none / 0) (#27)
by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:49:34 AM EST

that 2/3 of the existing Fiorina vote is actually an anti-Boxer vote. Barbara needs enough money to remind everyone who Fiorina really is compared to her and what you will get with a Fiorina. Go Barbara!

Wow (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:12:52 AM EST

1/3 of Fiorina voters are actually voting for Carly- is it basically hardline Repubs or what because honestly her "personal story" is that of a more academically successful Christine O'Donnell she was horribly ineffective as an actual CEO- you generally don't run on- "I crashed share prices and shipped tens of thousands of Jobs Overseas- stockwise the best thing I ever did for HP was leave."


: Thirty percent seems to be (none / 0) (#60)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:42:38 PM EST

the pretty consistent level of loonydom in this country. Thirty percent still think Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Thirty percent think Georgie Bush was one of our greatest presidents. Thirty percent think Sarah Palin would be a nifty president. Etc.

Surprised only 2/3rds.... (none / 0) (#31)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:55:52 AM EST

I was under the impression almost nobody voted for anybody, all votes placed are votes against the other candidate, or in my case candidates, plural.


Bringing the truthiness (none / 0) (#33)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:04:18 AM EST

Stephen Colbert's testimony before Congress.

I'm afraid to watch. I am serioulsy in love with Stephen and don't want to ruin it.

Sorry for the double post! Put it in the wrong thread.

I doubt he will... (none / 0) (#37)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:17:23 AM EST

let you down ruffian...he killed it at that press dinner didn't he? He'll kill it today.

If you're worried about the sanctity of congressional hearings, you're a day late and a nickel short, that train left the station decades ago.


That's true (none / 0) (#42)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:34:31 AM EST

And his interviews with politicians are good too. He's a lot smarter than most of them.

I think I missed his part of the hearing by the time I tuned in.

I have no issues with the sanctity of the hearing room. Given the level of the usual debate, and some of the nonsense they spend their time on most other days...I was more worried about Stephen getting sucked down to their level.


Of course he is more intelligent.... (none / 0) (#43)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:44:07 AM EST

he didn't get into politics! :)

The intelligent ones never do...it's the ones with illusions of intelligent grandeur who take up this kinda work, and they know just enough to keep us in trouble.


From Salon's commenter (none / 0) (#44)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:51:08 AM EST

on the hearing:

Colbert is still taking questions, and answering with zingers, in character. It's all sort of awkward and weird, but anyone who'd accuse Colbert of making a mockery of the issue has probably never watched a subcommittee hearing before.

They also have a video at that link.


: WAPO blog promises... (none / 0) (#45)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:03:44 AM EST

a full transcript shortly, they have his opening remarks up but it's crashing my browser...maybe it'll work for you here.

Not to worry (none / 0) (#61)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:45:33 PM EST

He was fabulous. His statement was tightly written and just about perfect, and his ad lib responses to congresscritters very good, too.

As an added plus, the Village has gone into a major Broderist fit about how "inappropriate" it all was, which has made me change my mind about the whole thing. Whatever makes that bunch reach for the smelling salts is good by me.


Bank of America... (none / 0) (#34)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:11:21 AM EST

bailout & legit foreclosures (if there is such a thing in this enviroment) aren't enough for the pigs at the trough, now they're foreclosing on people who paid cash for their house and don't even have a mortgage. Linkage

In Florida courts, which have been swamped with foreclosure cases for several years, mistakes "happen all the time," said foreclosure defense attorney Matt Weidner in St. Petersburg. "It's just not getting reported."
And the legal efforts required to resolve a foreclosure mistake are complicated. "Unwrapping it is like unwrapping Fort Knox," said Carol Asbury, a Fort Lauderdale foreclosure attorney. "It's very difficult."

Sounds like a national moratorium on foreclosures is in order, but we knew that...and we know who the government is paid to serve...by of and for bankers baby. How anybody would sully their name by having an account with these people is beyond me.

Heard on the radio about a small town (none / 0) (#46)
by DFLer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:33:45 AM EST

in northern Minnesota where there were so many homes in default, that none of them had been foreclosed, or even received bank notices, for the past year!

(sorry, can't find documentation)


I think anyone who obeys.. (none / 0) (#47)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:03:32 PM EST

a foreclosure notice is nuts at this point...squat your home America, if they want a class war lets give it to 'em....make them drag you out kicking and screaming.


Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:09:38 PM EST

There is no earthly reason to,leave until the sheriff shows up. At this point it is safe to assume they may have forged your signature on additional loan docs you don't even know about. There have been many cases of that just among the ones that have made the news. Make them prove in court that you owe what they say you owe before you go anywhere.


: Stay even after... (none / 0) (#52)
by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:17:29 PM EST

the sheriff shows up...I believe he/she is paid to serve and protect you, not some bank with a corporate office outside his/her jurisdiction. Like you said, lets see the official deed.
A human chain can accomplish the goal if the sheriff is confused about his/her job description...some sheriffs have got it right and are refusing to evict.

Wow. (none / 0) (#62)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:48:27 PM EST

I hate to say this, but maybe moonbat Christine O'Donnell wasn't conjuring up a story when she said her foreclosure was the result of a paperwork mistake by the bank.


Obama DOJ attorney's solution TO DADT (none / 0) (#41)
by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:24:08 AM EST

Only Log Cabin Republicans should be able to serve openly in the military.

Attorneys for the Obama administration objected Thursday to a proposed worldwide injunction being considered by a California federal judge that would halt the military's ban on openly gay troops.
Calling the possible move "untenable," Department of Justice attorneys filed their objections in U.S. District Court in Riverside.
They said Judge Virginia Phillips, who declared the policy unconstitutional earlier this month, would be overstepping her bounds if she tried to stop it in its tracks.

Instead, she should limit any injunction to the 19,000 members of the Log Cabin Republicans, the gay rights organization that filed the lawsuit to stop enforcement of the ban, the lawyers said.
The case has put the White House in the uncomfortable position of defending a policy President Obama has said he wants repealed. TPM

: Make my day (none / 0) (#50)
by jbindc on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:12:22 PM EST

Is what she should say. She's got a lifetime job - Obama and Holder will be just a passing memory when she's through, so I say she should push it!

: Because Obama is deeply committed to repealing it (none / 0) (#58)
by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:54:20 PM EST

As per Gibbs (h/t to oculus)

Just hours after Justice Department lawyers filed their latest defense of the policy in court on Thursday, Mr. Gibbs sent an e-mail to reporters making it clear that the legal maneuver was a formality, not an indication of presidential policy.
"This filing in no way diminishes the president's firm commitment to achieve a legislative repeal of D.A.D.T. -- indeed, it clearly shows why Congress must act to end this misguided policy," Gibbs wrote. NYT

: Nuh? (none / 0) (#63)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:50:15 PM EST

That doesn't even make any sense.

Jeralyn, Get a Mac! (none / 0) (#64)
by rennies on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 02:46:15 PM EST