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Greg Sargent:

Obama has passed the most ambitious domestic agenda since FDR[.]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This strikes me as one of the most ridiculous opinions I have seen. Sargent writes this in the context of discussing another article on "why the 'Left' is disappointed with Obama." Suffice it to say that these psychological profiles of why "the Left" is disappointed are condescending at best, insulting at worst. And Sargent goes along for the ride.

For some reason, it is impossible for some to fathom that most on "the Left" do not agree that "Obama has passed the most ambitious domestic agenda since FDR." "The Left" appears to believe that "Obama's agenda" has been pretty tepid. On the economy, does anyone think "Obama's agenda" has been bold and progressive? I don't. The health bill had a very progressive element, the expansion of Medicaid. The rest of the bill is neither progressive nor, imo, is it likely to be effective. The financial reform bill is a joke, imo. Could someone explain to me, beyond listing the title of bills, what "the most ambitious domestic agenda since FDR" actually consists of? Or does that require actually dealing with the POLICY complaints of "The Left" and is thus not allowed?

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    This is what the average person sees (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 10:16:27 AM EST
    Home sales plunge 27 pct. to lowest in 15 years

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sales of previously occupied homes plunged last month to the lowest level in 15 years, despite the lowest mortgage rates in decades and bargain prices in many areas.

    July jobs report renews concerns over a stalled recovery

    The nation's economic recovery continued to sputter in July as employers kept shedding jobs and 181,000 discouraged workers dropped out of the labor force, according to a government report released Friday.

    The nation's unemployment rate remained at 9.5 percent for the month, the Labor Department said, as private employers added a modest 71,000 jobs. But that increase was overwhelmed by the loss of 202,000 government jobs, including 143,000 temporary census positions.


    The failure of HAMP | Analysis & Opinion

    "Being in a trial modification if you don't get a permanent modification is worse than having not been in a trial modification. Period," said Diane Thompson, an attorney with the National Consumer Law Center. Worse yet, people "may have a hard time finding alternative housing because some renters check credit scores," she said.



    Your objection is shared by more than a few. (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Romberry on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 10:32:11 AM EST
    Over at OpenLeft, Mike Lux put up a diary titled "Crisis Point" which generated what I thought a very good comment:

    Bills are only a means to an ends and bills that don't do enough (stimulus), don't start till 2014 (HCR), or don't solve the problem (Wall Street) may look like wins on Rahm's scorecard, but they aren't.

    Keeping score by (counting) bills instead of whether those bills help people's lives is like keeping score in a football game by (counting) first downs. That world view of scoring would suggest both teams earning 17 first downs meant it was a fairly balanced game, while everyone in the stands viewed it as the most one sided game in NFL history. First downs are great, but they are only a means to an ends, much like bills.

    I don't care how many first downs my team gets if my team doesn't score. And I don't much cheer if my team lines up to kick field goals when the game is so far out of hand that what we need are touchdowns to win.

    Yes, Rahmbama has gotten some bills through. But those bills were watered down to the point of being nearly useless. As I said elsewhere:

    A stimulus that isn't big enough to do the job only serves to discredit Democrats and liberalism.

    The health care reform bill isn't reform. It cements our busted system of private for profit insurance with the rule of law and makes the federal government the insurance company's bill collector.

    Finance reform is a joke. They didn't pass reform that has the capacity to do anything at all to stop another meltdown...which is why Russ Feingold voted against it. (Feingold did not want people to be lulled into a false sense of security on the basis of a bill that provides none.)

    The most ambitious domestic agenda since FDR? Nah. Those pushing that line are either aren't thinking critically or are just pushing administration propaganda.

    Maybe the Gibbs' recommended drug tests need (none / 0) (#16)
    by jawbone on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 03:26:34 PM EST
    to be implemented on those thinking Obama is most ambitious since FDR. Heh.

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    The only thing that has been ambitious (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 11:28:00 AM EST
    is the rhetoric; the actions have been at turns inconsistent with the rhetoric, have been legislative versions of the empty suit or have been peppered with loopholes, delays and concessions that are likely to prove their actions more regressive than anything else.

    Bu...I will grant you that the level of chutzpah is stratospheric.

    Yesterday, I was talking with my brother about the MD gubernatorial election; he asked me, "who's going to put more money in my pockets - Democrats or Republicans?"

    I opened my mouth, and promptly closed it.  I think I said, "Uh...well..." before saying what I realized is how I feel now: "both parties are more interested in taking money out of your pockets one way or another - neither of them care about you - it's all about them."

    A lot of people simply don't know any other dynamic than "Republicans bad - Democrats good," and they are going to defend Democrats even if they have to sound delusional to do so.  

    I can't feel sorry for them, because they are enabling and justifying or denying the real pain and real suffering that is being experienced out here in the real world by real people as a consequence of egregiously bad policy.  And for what?  What would be worth that?  Ambition, ego, immaturity, unwillingness to admit error, access?  

    Good to know, eh?


    oh, c'mon now, (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by cpinva on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 11:30:39 AM EST
    This strikes me as one of the most ridiculous opinions I have seen.

    surely the opinion "the bush economic agenda will lead to great national prosperity" must rank higher than this one, in terms of ridiculous? right? anyone? beuller, beuller?

    to be fair, obama is not now, nor ever has been, an FDR. FDR was a democrat, made no bones about it, saw what needed to be done, and had no compunction about riding roughshod over republicans, to get his agenda accomplished.

    FDR didn't concern himself too much with what the wanking classes thought of him, he was actually concerned about the people standing in the soup lines. of course, FDR's background, in fairness to obama, gave him the natural self-confidence to believe he was right, all the time. you get the distinct impression obama still wants to impress the "cool kids".

    I Guess He Forgot LBJ (4.75 / 4) (#5)
    by msaroff on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 09:54:37 AM EST
    Civil rights act, Medicair, Medicaid, Head Start, etc.

    One of those is not like the others (none / 0) (#13)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 12:53:05 PM EST
    one of those does not belong-  seriously, Head Start while nice should not be listed with the others.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 01:50:06 PM EST
    A successful program that helps underpriviliged kids isn't a liberal program????

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    Really! (none / 0) (#15)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 01:59:59 PM EST
    Truly! I was actually a head start participant myself as a child.  It was an effective program, if for no other reason that it gave me (and my mom who volunteered there), a place to go to "escape" from home.

    I'd say it's a better program than Medicaid.  Medicaid is a program designed to separate the have's from the severely have nots, designed to promote loss of dignity.  I don't consider Medicaid progressive in any way.

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    Could he really be so stupid (4.67 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 09:39:51 AM EST
    as to forget LBJ?

    This (4.67 / 3) (#2)
    by lilburro on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 09:44:43 AM EST
    is just dumb.  Who cares if it's ambitious if it wasn't ambitious enough?  I refer you to the EK article on the stimulus package which is entitled appropriately "What Went Wrong With The Stimulus."

    Why would we be happy when Obama screwed the pooch?

    For some it is impossible (4.67 / 3) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 09:44:47 AM EST
    for them to believe that the country as a whole is not awestruck with the domestic agenda of the Obama administration.

    They evidently have their fingers in their ears, singing "Isn't Obama Wonderful" to ignore what the country, not just the left, has been saying for months. I think the opinion of the domestic agenda will be recorded loud and clear come November.

    This will be the message for the next 2 years (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 09:47:21 AM EST
    "See how much I've done!"

    Are they trying to convince voters or themselves?

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    Well (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 10:05:06 AM EST
    The other way of looking at it is that when you are coming from a long drought, a eye dropper full of water seems like an oasis.

    Pathetic.

    Next on the the list (none / 0) (#7)
    by BTAL on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 10:10:03 AM EST
    curing the common cold and whorled peas.

    That gridiron metaphor (none / 0) (#10)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 10:59:04 AM EST
    looks awfully familiar to me (cough, cough).  But it works even if it is very similar to a play drawn up and executed here a few weeks ago.

    What's ailing the left and many others who'd had high hopes for this admin is the Expectation Gap -- the major difference between not only what O seemed to promise in the campaign but what was available for the taking early on, and what he meekly settled for.

    FDR, especially in 1935, and LBJ both largely sought and got what was available given the political lay of the land.  They went for the end zone often, and when that didn't always work, only then did they settle for a field goal.  Team Obama sees only the downside risk of going for the end zone, and so has scored only field goals at this point.  Which is why the favored team, with some impressive rushing and first down stats at the halftime break to brag about, nonetheless finds itself trailing the underdog opponent.