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Will Marco Rubio Reject Internment Camps For Undocumented Aliens?

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Elise finds the Florida GOP advocating for internment camps for immigrants:

Is Florida GOP Senate candidate Marco Rubio in favor of internment camps for immigrants?

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    Poor guy... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:38:19 AM EST
    the fence Rubio has gotta balance on just got thinner.

    Internment camps...Baker The Butcher just upped the ante.  What's the next tyrannical loon have to suggest to top that to prove their fascist street cred?  Martial law till every soul withour papers gets shackled and dumped on the bridge to Juarez like cattle? Summary execution?

    I shouldn't give them any ideas.

    its sort of lilke (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:39:50 AM EST
    an AA running as a Dixiecrat isnt it?


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    How is it (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:25:50 PM EST
    the more these turds on the right spew, the more they want to turn this country into North Korea? Newt Gingrich says we should be like China and get rid of capital gains taxes. Newt and more of his ilk want us to be like Saudi Arabia and ban the building of mosques, Jan Brewer wants us all to carry our birth certificates and other identifying documents at all times, and now we've got this idiot advocating concentration camps.

    They all complain that Obama is either Hitler or Stalin, yet the country they want to "take back" looks to me like "mother Russia" or "der Fatherland."

    It'll only look like a... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:03:39 PM EST
    totalitarian state to people like us Chuck, people of conscience...to them it'll be like a return to "Leave it to Beaver"...they never think their ideas will come back to bite them in the arse, only the undesirables.

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    I duuno Kdog... (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:42:35 PM EST
    People who refer to other people as "turds" don't demonstrate much common sense or good taste...

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    I dunno either buddy... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:00:37 PM EST
    I'm just about out of giving the benefit of the doubt and being kind myself..."turds" sounds a rather generous description for people who wanna rip up families and lock people up in such numbers for what I consider to be "non-crime".

    Civility requires some civility in return...I see very little from my adversaries in this debate for the very soul of America.

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    I was being nice. (none / 0) (#91)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:07:03 PM EST
    I usually have more descriptive terms for the likes of Newtie.

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    Yeah... but on the other hand (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:27:57 PM EST
    I'd give odds that you think building a mosque at the scene of the radical Muslim attack on 9/11 is a sign of understanding and love.

    You folks don't even know who your enemy is.

    And I got a few words myself but good taste prevents me from demonstrating.

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    technically (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:32:04 PM EST
    its not "at the scene" its a couple of blocks away, but we know what you mean.


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    Technically... those people who jumped (none / 0) (#108)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:39:16 PM EST
    weren't killed in the fire...

    And yes, we know what you mean.

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    I know who the enemy is (none / 0) (#101)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:32:27 PM EST
    Al-queda is winning... but not for the reasons you think.

    There is no better way to destroy something than to watch it self-destruct.

    And I'm not talking about by building mosques.

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    You have made your position (none / 0) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:37:48 PM EST
    very clear on several occasions.

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    It IS A Gift (none / 0) (#110)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:48:38 PM EST
    100 million dollar gift to be exact. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, the rest of the gift is what it will mean for the local community and international community if they choose to avail itself of the treasure.

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    Sounds like a little (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:37:40 PM EST
    bit of the "overseer syndrome" took hold with you, Jim.

    what do you really say to (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:27:33 AM EST
    someone who says something as idiotic as "melting ice doesnt raise sea levels"?  really.  where do you go from there?

    FYI jim its not melting "sea" ice that is the problem its polar ice.  which is fresh water btw.  which is why there is fear that the dilution of the salinity in the north sea will disrupt the system of ocean currents that keeps the globe warm and trigger another ice age.  you see the non idiots among us know that ironically what you call global warming could in fact trigger another ice age.

    from NASA:

    A Chilling Possibility

    March 5, 2004:  Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

    That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.

    see captionRight: Retreating Arctic ice, 1979-2003, based on data collected by the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) Special Sensor Microwave Imager (SSMI). [More]

    Some scientists believe this shift in ocean currents could come surprisingly soon--within as little as 20 years,



    btw (none / 0) (#161)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:28:46 AM EST
    that was 6 years ago.  they are now saying it could happen even sooner.

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    Not Mention (none / 0) (#167)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 02:40:45 PM EST
    Fresh water melting into salt changes the density...

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    "learn some science.." (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 02:59:54 PM EST
    like the six days of creation and evolution revised to conform to Genesis and the Texas Board of Education.

    the most interesting part (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:38:33 AM EST
    is she is saying this happened before.  which it has not, correct me if I am wrong.  unless she is thinking of WWII when we interred citizens of asian ancestor.

    speaking of internment camps (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:43:05 AM EST
    last night Maddow opened with a very interesting segment on the curious intersection of the for profit prison system in arizona and the timely (at least for them) passage of the immigration bill.

    I would be interested in your opinion.

    Geez (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:02:55 PM EST
    Not surprised.  But it's so blatant, so obvious.  

    I believe it's so blatant because the public simply doesn't pay any attention.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in their gubernatorial election this year.

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    Very curious indeed... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:55:24 AM EST
    but I think the people of AZ and elsewhere are too busy kicking the dog to notice the conflict of interest.

    I'm starting to feel like a German circa the 1930's...it's really time for Operation Valkyrie, but who wants to get locked up for a lost cause.

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    who would we kill? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:56:26 AM EST
    we would have to have a lottery or something.  

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    Good point... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 10:21:32 AM EST
    maybe we could just seize & occupy the detention centers or something.

    We should cease this talk though before they send in the drones...these are telescreens we're sitting in front of after all.

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    I would venture a guess that BTD & TL (none / 0) (#11)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:12:42 AM EST
    would prefer you not use violent hyperbole, Kdog and Howdy, even to make a strong political point.  Indeed, it may be prohibited by the TalkLeft comment policy. It's very hard on the internet to tell when people are serious and when they're not.  In fact, this very problem is being played out in a criminal "threatening" trial in federal court in Newark, NJ this week.

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    thanks (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:17:06 AM EST
    we are newbies

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    he he! (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:22:27 AM EST


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    Apologies if over the line... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:36:10 AM EST
    but it's all sarc's fault:)...that NPR interview had me tossing and turning last night.

    I just wish Bakerboy down in FLA was bound by the comment policy on the campaign...he's talking literal violence.

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    Ya, the interview was pretty enlightening. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:37:56 PM EST


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    I challenge anybody... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:52:34 PM EST
    to listen to it and call that kid anything but a red, white, and blue American...through and through, to the bone.

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    Update (none / 0) (#117)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:29:57 PM EST
    Conservative shock jock and blogger Hal Turner was convicted Friday for making death threats against federal appeals court judges in Illinois.

    Patrick J. Fitzgerald, United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, issued a statement about the case Friday:

    "There is no place in society for threatening federal judges with violence. Period. We are grateful that the jury saw these threats for what they were and rejected any notion that they were acceptable speech."

    Turner's defense had argued that his rants were "political trash talk" protected by the First Amendment.

    HuffPo

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    Im holding out (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:32:46 AM EST
    for the possibility that they all get so Jesus-inspired out that they start picking up live rattlers as a show of faith..

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    Wishing harm on other people (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:38:06 AM EST
    is just so Jondee, dont'cha know?

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    you folks are a danger (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:31:06 PM EST
    to others and yourselves

    But I will say that in your case, the slow descent into dementia at times has it's entertaining aspects.

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    I have a list. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:27:30 PM EST


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    my point exactly (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:25:05 PM EST
    a really long list.  the difficult part would be elimination.

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    I am quite sure Rubio is not in favor (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:02:39 AM EST
    of internment camps for legal immigrants.

    What a dishonest title (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:07:16 AM EST
    "Will Marco Rubio Reject Internment Camps For Undocumented Aliens?"

    Big Tent, I thought better of you than this.

    Really, your credibility is gone.

    why is it dishonest (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:09:47 AM EST
    he posted a video of a republican candidate in FL who is essentially running on the issue.
    he is a republican running in the same state.

    please explain "dishonest"

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    to them (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:27:39 AM EST
    it's the same as putting other people who break the law in jail..

    that Florida 'Thug might be hitting a little too close to swing state home with this one though.

    Personally, I hope he keeps it up. Let the Tea Party "morans" cut their own throats. As so many of the mentally challenged are wont to do.

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    He is not running on (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:33:11 AM EST
    putting illegal immigrants in camps.

    You know that so let is not play silly games.

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    I'm so (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:29:59 AM EST
    tired of wingnuts and the crazy stuff they come up with. It's been a real hoohaw down her in Ga with the GOP ads.

    as I am sure you know (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:38:35 AM EST
    a member of his party IS running on the issue.
    asking him if he rejects the idea is not onlty completely appropriate, I would personally like to know if he will mealy mouth this like he has the AZ law

    oops (none / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:39:07 AM EST
    we all know who that was for

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    That's a strawman and you know it. (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:40:23 AM EST


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    BS (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:41:02 AM EST
    as usual

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    Can't respond, eh? (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:42:11 AM EST
    Typical

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    Maybe we should start asking all (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:41:39 AM EST
    the Demos if they want an "Open Borders" policy...


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    is there a democrat (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:43:33 AM EST
    running on that issue?

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    Is there not one running on open borders (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:00:23 PM EST
    and what that would bring?

    If an election can turn on a sentence, this could be the one: "You don't need papers for voting."

    On Thursday night, Francine Busby, the Democratic candidate for the 50th Congressional District, was speaking before a largely Latino crowd in Escondido when she uttered those words. She said yesterday she simply misspoke.

    Now she's gone but that shows where many Democratatic heads are at.


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    Four years ago (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:20:10 PM EST
    from a failed candidate....

    And this is evidence of what?

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    Evidence of what many Left wing (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30:09 PM EST
    Democrats think and why they think it.

    I don't think it has changed any.

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    Prove It (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:12:39 PM EST
    Do you have actual evidence that Democrats do not want international borders patrolled?

    Of course you don't.  Your comment had the tone of right-wing chain email.

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    jim doesn't respond (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by PatHat on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 08:17:08 AM EST
    to questions he doesn't want to answer. It was fun feeding the troll for a while. But I'm bored now.

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    Many? (none / 0) (#51)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:55:26 PM EST
    Please find me just ONE more article that shows this? Just a SINGLE one and that would make 2 out of millions.

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    Busby was responding to a question (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:08:15 PM EST
    about eligibility to volunteer for her campaign.  No papers required.

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    and what that would bring (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:09:52 PM EST
    ..too many potential Demo voters and Tea Baggers soiling themselves over the future possibility of the family line being sullied by mixed-blood.

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    I don't need papers to vote (none / 0) (#30)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:10:45 PM EST
    I sign the voter book and if my signature matches, I vote. I don't need to show ID at all.

    What's the issue?

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    I voted Tuesday and had to show (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:29:01 PM EST
    a registration card or some other valid ID... and verify my address in the book was correct.

    Is your polling place in San Diego?

    lol

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    Illegal In NY (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:32:48 PM EST
    No ID required. No problems either.

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    Well, that explains (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:36:14 PM EST
    Hillary, Schumer, Rangel....and a host of others.

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    Your point? (none / 0) (#52)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:57:13 PM EST
    That the voting requirements in NY are somehow less valid than in San Diego? Because the pols you mention are Democrats? Might I tell you that here in Upstate NY, most pols are Republican and even THEY don't require IDs to vote.

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    Did you not see the "lol" (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:16:59 PM EST
    Sarcastic humor.

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    I was responding to #44` (none / 0) (#65)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:41:08 PM EST
    No lol there. Hey look, I know it's easy to pigeon hole someone into a label based on a couple of posts. I think I've done that with you. If I am wrong, I will do better. I love the edgy response myself, but I came here for a good argument, not the automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person posts.  (Whump....getting hit on the head lessons here).

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    Yep, gotta watch that Ole #44 (none / 0) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:37:40 PM EST
    But he was a pretty good running back.. Got a full ride at Miss State..

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    A Wise A$$ remark (none / 0) (#139)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:15:00 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ.

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    i don't even sign anything (none / 0) (#50)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:52:39 PM EST
    till after I vote.  I just show up, give them my name and address, and they give me my voting card.

    I honestly don't remember what I did when I registered.  But your name and address does have to be on their list.

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    I do! (none / 0) (#28)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:07:46 PM EST
    I think we should have an Open Borders policy. It's not as if the borders are closed or anything. Take the money from stupid things like a border fence and use it to create new jobs for Americans. Perhaps even alternative energy or other cutting edge industries that are what Americans used to be good at.

    The new immigrants can then take the jobs that Americans don't want to do. Oh, wait, that's what's happening right now.

    Why must we throw money at things proven to be useless (border fence, war on drugs, etc). Let's face reality and deal with it.

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    Three cheers for PatHat... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:00:47 PM EST
    A-Freakin'-Men.

    Especially this...

    Let's face reality and deal with it.

    The borders are not faucets that can be open and closed...we can face reality and deal with any problems that arise from free movement of people humanely, or we can live the fantasy that two massive land borders can be closed and throw untold numbers of people through our ringer for no good reason.

    I'm a proud open borders supporter...it's the only humane thing to do.

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    I prefer open borders to drones on (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:09:31 PM EST
    the border, as I am pretty fricking close to border!  "Collateral damage."

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    you're not worried (none / 0) (#69)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:11:23 PM EST
    about being kidnapped by drug lords?

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    Not that close to the border! (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:15:16 PM EST


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    LOL... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:27:20 PM EST
    you wouldn't know it from the media coverage, but the vast majority of kidnap victims are undocumented immigrants...either coyotes gone greedy holding their human cargo for more blood money, or gangsters that steal the human cargo from the coyotes to hold for ransom.

    Yet another public safety reason for open borders or at least a more humane immigration system.

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    Thank you border loons... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:22:24 PM EST
    for the assist in my re-education of oculus project!

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    you guys hear the latest? (none / 0) (#83)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:58:01 PM EST
    terror babies.  Coming soon to a border near you.

    FWIW this is just a guy talking about a guy, talking about terror babies. I haven't actually watched the video.

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    I posted it in the open (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:04:29 PM EST
    you need to see it

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    also (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:19:28 PM EST
    kudos to Andybear for being able to say "terror babies" with a straight face.  so to speak.

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    Facing reality (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:39:10 PM EST
    is not a part of American Conservative ideology.  

    All their beliefs are based on fantasy, on an imagined world that does not now and never did exist.

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    Thank you for stating the problem. (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:34:09 PM EST
    It's not as if the borders are closed or anything.

    And throwing money at creating jobs has worked sooooo well... (sarcasm alert)

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    Why change the subject? (none / 0) (#53)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:59:31 PM EST
    I said that throwing money at the border issue is dumb. And you said throwing money somewhere else is dumb.

    How about actually responding to my post? I threw out some red meat there too.

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    Your grasp of the economic impact (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:15:57 PM EST
    of the flood of illegal immigrants on the jobs and salary levels and the benefits of legal immigrants and citizens is obviously so low that I see no reason to debate you.

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    Chickensh!t (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 08:29:40 PM EST


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    PatHat - I will ask you the same question. (none / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:30:59 PM EST
    Why do you think the unions pushed for closed shop states?

    And do you actually know anyone who is now or ever was in a union?

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    if you are really interested (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:19:15 PM EST
    in the impact of your policies I have a film for you.

    A Day Without A Mexican


    A Day Without a Mexican, opened on May 14, 2004 in limited release throughout Southern California and on September 17 in theaters in Chicago, Texas, Florida and New York City, is a fantasy in which all Mexicans in the U.S. state of California suddenly disappear.


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    It amazes me that the Left (none / 0) (#112)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:54:12 PM EST
    claims to be for the working man yet support policies that destroy his economic negotiation point.

    That's because most of the Left is not part of the working class.

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    I'm all for the working people... (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 08:42:59 PM EST
    the American working people, the Mexican working people, the Canadian working people...and lets not forget South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antartica, and anybody working on the oceans or in space.

    The way I see it these borders that don't seem to apply to money, but are strictly enforced for human capital, aren't helping us....they are dividing us....making it difficult or impossible to negotiate by moving around for where the best deal is.

    And that's how the non-working people like it I think.

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    kdog (none / 0) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:28:29 PM EST
    What happens when seven people all show up to do your job and are willing to work for whatever the owner wants to give them?

    Labor is a commodity. The unions use to know this. Why do you think they pushed for closed shop states?

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    You're going after one half (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:19:42 AM EST
    of the problem - with a special racist, xenophobic emphasis especially for the Tea Baggers and inbred fundamentalists - now what about the other half that makes jobs disappear, leaves too many competing for one and depresses wages?

    What are the people on wingnut radio and Fox telling you to think about outsourcing and how to stop the outsourcers, Jim?

    Or, haven't they passed the game plan on into your loyal, messenger boy hands yet?

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    So you again show that you (none / 0) (#157)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:28:13 PM EST
    don't give a flip for the working folks.

    Have you ever had a job?

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    what's the right wing (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:15:02 PM EST
    game plan to nip outsourcing in the bud?

    Have you ever had ANOTHER job other than parroting - clumsily - whatever Hannity and Rush said last week?

    Though I must say, it's entertaining to see how    suddenly the errand boy for the President of "the haves and have mores" is now concerned about the welfare of working people..

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry..

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    I would have to convince... (none / 0) (#151)
    by kdog on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 10:55:43 AM EST
    my boss I'm still the best man for the job, or go find another job.

    But I don't think those 7 could accept too much less and still afford to live around here Jim. Sh*t, unemployment being what it is there's plenty of Americans desperate enough to do my job for a little less...that's why we got paycuts last year.

    I think you've got me confused with Goldman Sachs...I'm not looking for a protection racket, I'm open to fair competition in a true free labor market, where labor is free to move like factories are.  I certainly don't want my competition shackled.

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    The union members would be rolling over (none / 0) (#158)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:30:27 PM EST
    laughing at you. They would also point out that it was unions that got us all better  wages and working conditions.... not some one who wants to flood the labor markets.

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    Again, what's the plan (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:36:39 PM EST
    to stop outsourcing, Rush?

    You know, that other thing that destroys American working people's negotiating strength?

    It amazes me how fos these rw talk radio host wannabes are.

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    90% of our "Left" and Right (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:56:52 PM EST
    representatives aren't from the working class and meet for drinks at the same club at the end of the day.

    This became news for you when exactly?

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    Frankly I find your comment absent (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:25:54 PM EST
    of any information at all.

    Did you ever have a job in the real world, or have you always worked in government or some spin off agency?

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    It's a fair question (none / 0) (#148)
    by Rojas on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 07:21:45 AM EST
    But don't expect the part time virgins to push for an immigration system that would require government employees to compete in the same brutal environment as  their blue collar brethren.

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    Indeed (none / 0) (#159)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:40:11 PM EST
    Yes we do.

    The term use to be limousine liberals..

    Except these are liberals.

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    So with this cash we get to create these new jobs (none / 0) (#149)
    by Rojas on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 07:48:11 AM EST
    can we spread it around in the most economically efficient manner? American engineers are lazy and greedy. If one were allowed to import engineers, project managers and technicians without regard to immigration status we could crack this nut for pennies on the dollar.

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    American engineers are lazy and greedy. (none / 0) (#153)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:06:05 PM EST
    CST, is this true? Are you lazy and greedy?

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    haha (none / 0) (#154)
    by CST on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:17:23 PM EST
    Saw that.  Ummmm I don't think so but I guess it d
    epends.  Compared to a textile worker in China maybe.  I'm ok with that though.

    Greedy is funny.  Engineers in general make a whole lot less than the people who sell stuff engineers make.


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    Seems an odd point of comparison (none / 0) (#155)
    by Rojas on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 02:19:23 PM EST
    How about compared to the engineer in China? With a few hundred a month for a salary and fringe benefits like a dorm inside the factory walls with 80hr work weeks when they can keep the electricity on.
     

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    You have repeatedly accused me of (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:18:56 PM EST
    wanting Open Borders.   You use that as your last-ditch argument....

    I am not for Open Borders.  I also oppose the English only stuff, and the Arizona law, and firing teachers with Spanish accents, and changing the Fourteenth Amendment......

    I think you are probably for all those things.....

    But it is interesting that you apparently draw the line at internment camps.  Why?  If you are in favor of the Arizona law, you are in favor of ICE incarcerating a lot of people.....Why not put them all in a camp?  

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    I did not accuse YOU (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:32:26 PM EST
    of anything.

    You, on the other hand, despite my repeated posting of my position, accuse me of a variety of things.

    Nice. But it is what I expect from you.

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    Well, then, tell us why (none / 0) (#48)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:41:33 PM EST
    oppose an internment camp when you support Arizona putting a lot of people in custody with ICE?

    Why not a camp?  Why do you oppose that?

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    In truth... (5.00 / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    we already have internment camps...we just don't call them that...in newspeak they're "detention centers" for "criminals".

    In a way you've gotta hand it to the authoritarians...they've lumped drug dealers and drug users, and now undocumented persons, in with the murderers and rapists in the national conciousness of what a "criminal" is, and nobody even seemed to blink.  In my mind that is no small feat...fear is the most potent drug of all.

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    Do you still beat your wife? (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:11:58 PM EST


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    you are really good at changing the subject (none / 0) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:16:57 PM EST
    at least you think you are.  but please if you are for the AZ law for rounding up illegals, which you are, what is wrong with a nice little camp to stick them in until they can be deported?

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    What is wrong with you taking (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:39:56 PM EST
    one position and adding another?

    Well let's see.. You are anti AZ1070 so that means you are for open borders.

    And the answer is??????

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    so jails (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:48:21 PM EST
    will do until deportation?  fine but what happens when they fill up?

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    That's why ICE isn't doing what (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:22:59 PM EST
    some states are threatening to do.  

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    Correct me if I'm wrong (none / 0) (#147)
    by Rojas on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 07:03:49 AM EST
    But this is exactly what ICE does. My understanding is that it is a Federal misdemeanor to enter the country illegally. Repeat offense will bring it up to felony status.
    Upon conviction one serves out their sentence (internment) before deportation.

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    ICE does not detain every person (none / 0) (#152)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 11:04:40 AM EST
    arrested.  Many are released pending immigration hrg.  

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    Despite my posting my position time and (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:33:24 PM EST
    again you don't know it. Which shows that you come only to bait and argue.

    Here. Let me try one more time.

    Close the borders. Issue green cards to all illegals here who can pass a simple background check re criminal activity. Keep borders closed. Have national debate on who and how many we want in.

    There. That's really radical, eh??

    Until then use AZ1070 and ICE to pick up the illegals and have maximum effort on hearings and deport those found to be illegal.

    Wow. That's radical too, eh?

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    It Is Called Trolling (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:33:52 PM EST


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    Frtom the lips of Ole Stalker (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:34:54 PM EST
    who knows how to do it...

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    Im getting the feeling that (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:40:51 PM EST
    not many care that you think you're being "stalked" while you're trying to troll in peace, Jim.

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    Is that feeling a "tingle" up your leg? (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:12:40 PM EST
    lol

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    I bet you miss (none / 0) (#145)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:53:02 PM EST
    those days when the tingles still went up.

    Just don't take it out on the rest of the world.

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    Korematsu, and (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:14:58 PM EST
    the recent freak out over mosques being built in America, tell me this internment camp idea is not as implausible as it might seem.....

    my guess (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:10:19 PM EST
    half the country would support it.

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    CA GOP candidates are distancing (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:16:32 PM EST
    themselves from this stuff--including revising 14th Amendment.  

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    mmmk (none / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:24:55 PM EST
    waiting to hear from the Alamaba, Mississippi, Georgia, Idaho, Okalahoma and Kansas GOPs.


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    Rubio, too, supposedly. (none / 0) (#76)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:27:33 PM EST
    Rubio's campaign aide, Alex Burgos, has sent me an e-mail saying Rubio also does not favor altering the [14th] amendment.


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    Instead of altering the 14th (none / 0) (#77)
    by BTAL on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:37:06 PM EST
    we should just dust off the bill authored by Harry Reid in '93.  Obviously, he would still want to be the sponsor - right???

    "TITLE X--CITIZENSHIP 4 SEC. 1001. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED.  In the exercise of its powers under section of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this title to a mother who is neither a citizen of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a national or citizen of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a national or citizen, or is entitled upon application to become a national or citizen of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of physical presence within the United States at the moment of birth."


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    Not at all. (none / 0) (#84)
    by Radix on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:00:12 PM EST
    It's been 7 years since that bill was proposed, people can change their minds on issues, happens all the time.

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    17 actually (none / 0) (#89)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:06:57 PM EST
    it's 2010 now...

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    Right you are, my bad. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Radix on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:16:01 PM EST


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    Good god. (none / 0) (#90)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:06:59 PM EST


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    The bill's summary was (none / 0) (#93)
    by BTAL on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:15:07 PM EST
    "A bill to curb criminal activity by aliens, to defend against acts of international terrorism, to protect American workers from unfair labor competition, and to relieve pressure on public services by strengthening border security and stabilizing immigration into the United States."


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    He hath no shame. (none / 0) (#98)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:27:55 PM EST


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    Big News In the Wingnut Echo Chamber (none / 0) (#97)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:27:02 PM EST
    Although they forgot about this:
    Reid Called His Past Immigration Stance "The Low Point Of My Governmental Career," Explained His Belief In The Need For Comprehensive Reform: "I have nothing against my friend, the junior Senator from Alabama, for bringing up what I had said those many years ago today on the Senate floor. I have no problem with that at all. But I do want to tell him and the rest of my friends in the Senate, that is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career. That is why I believe we need comprehensive immigration reform today. People in America are counting on us to move forward with comprehensive immigration reform. They recognize that this country's national security depends on securing our borders and fixing our immigration system. They all want us to do this, Democrats and Republicans, to come together and do this." [Reid Floor Speech, 4/5/06]


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    What's the time line here? (none / 0) (#122)
    by BTAL on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:39:03 PM EST
    First in '93 he authors and submits the above bill.

    Next?

    • The apology which obviously was prompted by the realization he needed to pander to an electorate.

    • His racist comment/description of Obama.

    The total clearly illustrates the depth and sincerity of Reid on race and immigration.

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    That's worth a belly chuckle. ;) (none / 0) (#126)
    by BTAL on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 07:02:24 PM EST


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    You're probably (none / 0) (#143)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:45:07 PM EST
    right Capt.

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    should we tell her (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:35:57 PM EST
    that Marg doesnt spell Marge

    I have a legal question. (none / 0) (#86)
    by Radix on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:04:03 PM EST
    I forget the exact language, the 14th says something like, subject to the jurisdiction, seems to me, not a lawyer though, if you can be tried and punished by our courts, for violating our laws, you are therefore subject to our jurisdiction, no?

    yes (none / 0) (#88)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:06:25 PM EST
    and for more info on the children of illegal immigrants specifically see this supreme court case that extended that right to them explicitly.

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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Radix on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:08:40 PM EST
    I thought so, wasn't positive though.

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    what am I missing? (none / 0) (#129)
    by diogenes on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:23:47 PM EST
    If someone is an undocumented alien who is in this country ilegally, then what is wrong with placing them in a camp pending deportation?  Are you really going to take someone who entered the country illegally, tell them that they will be deported, and release them telling them to show up when called to fly out of the country?
    If you support open borders then say so openly.

    I think (none / 0) (#162)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:43:31 AM EST
    what you are missing is that most of us recoil from the suggestion of putting people in camps.

    I guess you either get it or you dont.


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    what is your alternative? (none / 0) (#169)
    by diogenes on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 03:36:34 PM EST
    What do you suggest, short of open borders?  If you recoil at having closed borders, then say so and be done with it.

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    You mean (none / 0) (#144)
    by cal1942 on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:51:09 PM EST
    someone uncorrupted by a badly screwed up broadcast media.

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