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Posted on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 09:54:21 AM EST
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World Cup - The Azurri in deep trouble, losng to Slovakia 1-0 at half. The Kiwis look non-threatening against Paraguay.

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    Not to crunch the buzz, but... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:15:55 AM EST
    Could there be another open thread for topics other than the world cup? Failing that, could the next open thread be prefaced by some subject other than the world cup -- or no subject at all?

    It's an open thread, say whatever you want (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by magster on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:17:54 AM EST
    and then at the bottom predict the score of USA-Ghana.

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    Not to crunch the buzz... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:19:52 AM EST
    but let me crunch the buzz...hey Foxhole? :)

    The world will be as f*cked as ever when the World Cup ends...trust me.  

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    Aw sorry if my asking for another thread crunched (none / 0) (#50)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:57:54 AM EST
    your buzz kdog. You obviously need some stronger stuff ;-). You said:
    The world will be as f*cked as ever when the World Cup ends...trust me.
    You're wrong there my man. The world, i.e. the Gulf of Mexico, will be considerably more f*cked when the World Cup ends on July 11th. That's another 1-1.7 million barrels of oil in the Gulf. In other words, an additional 4-7 Exxon Valdezes.

    If this continues through the summer and into the fall, it may be hazardous for you to spark up in NYC. That would really crunch the buzz...hey kdog? :)


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    Just bustin' your horns:) (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 01:06:57 PM EST
    And I don't know...once you reach a certain level of f*ckeditude it ceases to matter...I fear the Gulf is past there.

    If it wasn't for all the innocent wildlife victims I'd say we deserve to choke on all that oil, from FLA to Maine...chickens coming home to roost.  I've long said better this than polluting the sh*t out of a 3rd world country who doesn't even get the benefits of being energy gluttons...though we are polluting the sh*t out of those countries as well.

    All we peons can do is cut down our energy consumption and enjoy the World Cup...might be the last one if prophecy holds:)

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    I know, I know, but, but but, but... (none / 0) (#56)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 02:25:21 PM EST
    This isn't like the amp in Spinal Tap. There is no volume scale of 1 to 11.

    Crimes against nature and humanity proceed in innumerable increments and the index of human misery and environmental catastrophe goes all the way up to DEAAATH!!! -- can you hear me yet? ;-). If you ain't dead yet, ya gotta rage against the machine -- or wev. Peace out.


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    It ain't me babe... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 02:38:07 PM EST
    you rage against the machine and the machine throws you in one of its cages or grinds you to pieces tryin'.  My plan is too pack in as much fun as possible before that inevitable death comes.

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    I ain't talkin bout the inevitable death babe. (none / 0) (#59)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 02:52:03 PM EST
    I'm talking about the whole nexus of criminality that enables the corporate-military complex to rain down death and destruction upon all that is defenseless.

    I hope to make noise about that until the relatively inconsequential eventuality of my own death -- which will no doubt seem a lot more important when it arrives. :-[

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    We could talk about tennis (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:25:33 AM EST
    And the marathon match that is continuing today. (I'm not really a tennis fan, but this match is amazing.  They are at 59-59 in the third game and the match is in its 3rd day).  I don't care much about the World Cup either - I can't get excited about "world championships" that have games that end in 0-0 or 1-1 ties, but everyone else around here seems to be enjoying it.

    We can talk around the WC conversations!  :)

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    hey jb. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:30:46 AM EST
    we could also talk about our lovely weather in DC today. Yowza. By the time I walked 1/2 mile to work, I was drenched.

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    I have stayed inside (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:39:21 AM EST
    For three days now.  I'm currently between projects and not working and have only gone outside to run to the grocery store.  I have to run an errand soon, but I can't tell you how much I HATE hot weather and really dislike summer for so many reasons. Minus the blizzards, those cool days of February look pretty good to me right now!

    It's gross outside, so I will be environmentally unfriendly and have my air conditioner running so my apartment is maintained at a cool 72 degrees.

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    It's pretty brutal. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:40:40 AM EST
    Supposed to break tonight with storms. Stay cool.

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    Be careful of what you wish for (none / 0) (#63)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 05:15:21 PM EST
    You better hope it doesn't break like it did in Chicago! We had 70 mph winds and over three inches of rain in less than an hour. Storms normally don't get me or the dogs, but yesterday's certainly did. I've spent all day today cleaning up the mess.

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    Yep. At least you didn't have 135 mph winds (none / 0) (#64)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 06:15:30 PM EST
    from five (at least; two more still being assessed) tornadoes in the town of Eagle in Wisconsin, a bit north of you in Chicago.

    Well, the former town of Eagle, as it's a small town, and more than 20 homes were destroyed, and more than 100 severely damaged.  I didn't know there even were 120 homes in the town.

    Sad thing, too, is that it's the site of the wonderful living history museum, Old World Wisconsin, with many ethnic cultures' buildings (homes, schools, etc.) saved from around the state and moved there.  The octagonal barn -- it's a beaut -- endured some damage.  But it could have been worse, as you ought to see (you can see, actually, online) the photos of the hundreds and hundreds of trees sheared off to stumps all around it.

    Sad, too, that the town's tornado sirens did not give warning.  A lot of people don't realize that the sirens don't go off until there has been a touchdown, so if you're the site of the first one, well, you won't hear a siren. . . .

    Good thing, though, is that despite the extent of devastation to the present and to the past -- no deaths and only minor injuries from all those tornadoes.  Amazing.

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    Wimp...:) (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43:53 AM EST
    not as hot as DC but we're hitting 90 and muggy as hell...but I can't stand AC...fans and open windows for me at home, and turning the AC down at work whenever nobody is looking.

    In green terms, can I consider that my offset for all the cigarette butts and being a habitual potable water waster?

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:56:52 AM EST
    Go green. I avoid the AC as well. I think it is unhealthy, particularly going in and out of cold to hot. During the hot times I keep the windows closed until the evening.

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    Can't do it (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:58:12 AM EST
    I cannot tolerate heat.  I'm the person who is always warm, even when everyone else is cold (usually, I'm with all the guys in the room being warm while all the other women are freezing).

    Give me 55 degrees any day.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:05:04 AM EST
    I much prefer the cool as well. Summer is my least favorite season, particularly the 90°+ and 90% humidity... yuk.

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    Totally agree... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:04:33 AM EST
    on it being unhealthy.  I hate even walking buy a shop in NYC who keeps their door open blasting AC onto the sidewalk....messes with my sinuses.

    I guess I'm a chameleon who can adapt to any temp...out in shorts playing foorball when it's 20 degrees, and out in shorts playing softball when its 90...but I much prefer the heat.  Summer rules.

    I just pray Mother Nature cooperates on Saturday with lots of sunshine...the big Further w/ Phil Lesh and Bob Weir show down in Coney...been looking forward for weeks, and fungus has been procured.  It's on baby!  Summer concert season has officially arrived!

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    I make up for (none / 0) (#44)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:09:59 AM EST
    My bad envrionmental behavior - I don't put the heat on in my apartment too much or too high in the winter.  It's usually set on 60-62, except for those few hours in the evening when I am home and up - then maybe I put it on 68.  When I go to bed, it goes back to 60.

    I guess it all balances out.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:18:21 AM EST
    I'm also a low heat guy...but as I mentioned about I have a terrible habit of wasting water...need to work on that.

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    we've had (none / 0) (#23)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:46:06 AM EST
    15 days over 90 F down here in NC...today it's 90, feels like 101, apparently.

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    you should be happy (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:32:26 AM EST
    ties are only allowed in group matches which end soon.  Once it hits the round of 16 (this weekend) it's win or go home, so no more ties.

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    Actually, the match is now ongoing (none / 0) (#15)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:39:08 AM EST
    and the score is 67-67 in the 5th set as I write this.

    And Italy puts in a near-empty-netter.

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    The American won that match (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:51:19 AM EST
    70-68, after 11 hours.

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    Wow! (none / 0) (#30)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:52:44 AM EST
    Unheard of!

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    And the Slovak goalie gets a yellow (none / 0) (#20)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:41:50 AM EST
    for punching an Italian in the face, playing all NHL in the net after the goal.

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    hahaha what?? (none / 0) (#21)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43:25 AM EST
    I'm only watching the NYT live blogs, I would love to see that.

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    The Italians scored a goal (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:47:16 AM EST
    and then a couple of them rushed into the net to tie up and eat on the Slovak goalie as he was trying to get the ball out.  The goalie (and one of the Slovak players) smacked one of the Italians to the face.  That Italian took a dive (and also got a yellow), the refs finally celared the scrum out of the net.  

    Just a bit of thugging it up.

    And now the Slovaks end the game with goal #3 at 88:30.

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    Now, if soccer had more of that (none / 0) (#27)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:49:43 AM EST
    I might be interested in watching!

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    oh come on now (none / 0) (#29)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:52:20 AM EST
    for people who aren't into soccer I ask you, have you ever seen a bicycle kick?  I mean, come on!!!  The athleticism of soccer is what makes it fun for me.  I'm sure having played as a kid helps too.

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    For me personally, (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:55:22 AM EST
    There are too many other interesting sports out there.  Games, especially at playoff levels, should not end in ties - there should be a winner and a loser.  That's the point of playing the game.  Look at that tennis match that just ended - it took them 3 days, but someone finally won.  And to routinely have games where no one scores, well, it's just not for me.  (That's not to say I have not found the guys who are playing at the WC, well, hot.  There are some advantages to watching this particular sport!)  :-)

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    After WC group play ends (none / 0) (#48)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:16:49 AM EST
    in a day or two, there will no longer be ties, just play to win, and the loser goes home.

    As for the 3-day tennis match, wake me up when you have such a marathon for the final championship match -- a McEnroe-Borg type affair that's the final decider.

    Otherwise, 3 days for a match at a non-championship level of competition, well you've really got to be a tennis fanatic to actually watch all 3 days of it as opposed to just admiring its oddity from a distance in the sports pages -- probably the same smallish number of people who would stick around to watch an entire 20 inning baseball marathon game finally come to a conclusion.

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    the thread is not limited to the world cup (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:59:08 AM EST
    it's an open thread for all topics.

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    I was at a sports bar in Boston (none / 0) (#38)
    by itscookin on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:01:47 AM EST
    yesterday, and the Ghana vs. Germany game was on. I watched it through a couple of drinks. The bar got too warm for me, and I went outside and sat on a bench for a little while and watched the grass grow. Wasn't much difference. How can you guys get so excited about watching a sport where the average number of goals per game is less than 2, and a tie is allowed to stand? Of course, a sudden death overtime could take a couple of days.

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    You must learn to appreciate... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:15:38 AM EST
    the great save, the great tackle, the great long ball, the ball control, etc.

    The same way you appreciate a great catch or run in American football that doesn't produce a touchdown.  Or a great crossover move in b-ball that doesn't produce a basket.  Or a bonecrushing check in hockey.

    And the fact that scoring is rare in futbol just amps up the elation and excitement when a team does find the net...it's like an explosion of joy or agony.

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    do you watch baseball? (none / 0) (#41)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:06:45 AM EST
    at least soccer players move around.

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    True (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:08:05 AM EST
    But so do marathon runners and I don't find that exciting to watch either.  Personal preference.

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    Heh. (none / 0) (#45)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:10:05 AM EST
    And another thing:  when soccer holds a World Cup, that's not misleading advertising.

    Not so our "World" Series of MLB.

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    Hey (none / 0) (#55)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 02:11:52 PM EST
    The other countries are certainly free to field baseball teams and petition to join Major League Baseball, if they want to play in the World Series.

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    Well, there's considerable virtue (none / 0) (#42)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:07:05 AM EST
    in a sport where goal scoring isn't so frequent.  Though it used to be worse.  I think the WC/FIFA have adjusted things in recent tournaments to advantage the team, in group play, which scores more goals (goal differential tiebreaker system).  Didn't used to be that way.

    Now if FIFA could get to work on getting better refs, and cracking down on players faking injuries.

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    Better than basketball, where the first 200 points (none / 0) (#51)
    by steviez314 on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 12:03:06 PM EST
    and 47 minutes don't count.

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    How is Mile Hi and his new kidney doing? (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:37:43 AM EST
    Is he OK?

    (I've missed a lot of thread here lately, and just hoping he's doing OK.)

    Hmmm (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:59:39 AM EST
    Now that you mention it has not been around, hope he and his new friend are doing OK.

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    I was wondering too (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 01:35:51 PM EST
    a few days ago.  I miss him

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    Azzuri stinkin' it up (none / 0) (#1)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:07:29 AM EST
    their play is less inspiring than and almost as annoying as the vuvuzelas.

    Would so enjoy... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:17:11 AM EST
    an Azurri exit...that'll teach 'em to treat group play like an uninspired practice!

    Go Slovaks!

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    I will be upset (none / 0) (#8)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    if I don't get the opportunity to watch them play during this Cup as they are my favorite team...but yeah, two ties in group play so far?  That's just sad.

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    Italy is famous... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:35:12 AM EST
    for treating group play like training camp, advancing being a given...it's about time they got bit in the arse for their hubris.

    Down 2 w/ 15 min to go.

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    2 down!!! (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:37:15 AM EST
    GAAAAHHHH!!!

    I know they have a bad reputation but having lived in Italy for a bit I can't help but love them :(

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    As is your right... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:40:28 AM EST
    I'm not supposed to be rooting for US arch-rival Mexico either.

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    oh my god! (none / 0) (#25)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:48:18 AM EST
    Italy is out!  Unbelievable.

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    It is (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 03:28:54 PM EST


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    Where did you live in Italy? (none / 0) (#65)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 06:25:44 PM EST
    Big city or small town?  After a month here, well, I think that I could live in one of the big cities, laughable as is the emphasized item in our guidebook that Italian police really enforce traffic regulations.  Ha!  I found few crosswalks in Rome that were actually available for walking, as most were used as parking spaces.  

    But the small town life is so odd, so far behind the times in so many ways -- okay, I guess it's too much to have internet access as good as Mexico had ten years ago, but working toilets that don't waste gallons of water with the lousy installation here are rarities!  Above all, there is so much discourtesy, from everyday people right up to the top officials.  I've seen that from insularity in a small town in the U.S., but never like what I have seen here.

    I'm bemused now by the common complaint that the U.S. is the rude culture, the noisy culture, the car culture, the crime and drug culture.  The things I have seen in a small town here. . . .
       

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    When Slovakia has (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 03:31:22 PM EST
    played, we have coined a new tasteless chant in this house. "Play you Viches!"

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    OK - BTD: your pick (none / 0) (#2)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:08:18 AM EST
    in England v. Germany?

    actually tennis (none / 0) (#9)
    by CST on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:30:45 AM EST
    is more interesting to me today.  And I never ever watch tennis and love soccer.  But I could kind of care less about the teams in groups E and F.  And anyone who likes sports has to be into this epic tennis battle going down.

    Obviously rooting for the American, but honestly - they're both kind of winners already - and neither one is gonna have any gas left in the tank after this one.

    Also, in the real (unpleasant) world (of non sports related events), a judge overruled the drilling moratorium (although it's being appealed), a cap fell off the well - although it's now been put back on, and we're all still royally screwed.

    Oh and Futurama is back on tv (yay!), Gates apparently wanted to keep McChrystal, and Friendly's has introduced a burger that replaces buns with grilled cheese - because we all need more fried cheese in our buns.

    Burgers instead of buns (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:49:03 AM EST
    How do you eat that?  I imagine with a fork - it would be two greasy to pick up two burgers with cheese in the middle.

    But, it's good we have food like this.  I believe it's god for what I call "thinning the herd".

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    not quite (none / 0) (#31)
    by CST on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:53:00 AM EST
    the burger is still in the middle, the grilled cheese is on the outside.  So it goes like this:

    bread
    fried cheese
    bread
    burger (w fixings)
    bread
    fried cheese
    bread

    I imagine you eat it by shoving your face on it and opening wide.  It's the only way I see that going down.

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    So (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:56:52 AM EST
    This will be not served in fine dining establishments is what your saying?

    I hope the meal comes with a defibrulator (sp?)

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    I was thinking... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 11:16:40 AM EST
    what, no bacon on that puppy? :)

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    Actually (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:16:14 AM EST
    That sounds delicious.  What can I say - I have basic tastes and shun froo-froo overpriced food?  :)

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    The NZ goalie holding up under a lot of pressure (none / 0) (#17)
    by magster on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 10:39:42 AM EST
    and the Dems need to accuse Repubs of deliberately sabotaging the economy.

    I've never been a big Michael Yon (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 01:52:12 PM EST
    reader, and simply stumbled into his blogginess a few days back because I knew that he had in the past had some pretty deep journalistic access in Afghanistan.  He had his embed pulled in April, I don't know why.  He is/was as bitter as bitter gets toward McChrystal though and had made several posts about Stan McChrystal being incompetent and his COIN strategy getting soldiers killed.

    Michael, that wasn't McChrystal's strategy....that was the strategy of all of HIS bosses too.  Now I find out that Yon also gave background on McChrystal to the Rolling Stone reporter before the reporter met with McChrystal, and some of the Rolling Stone article is worded very similar to Mr. Yon's take on COIN.  It has a quote from a Special Forces soldier too upset because he can't get his Gun On under McChrystal the way he wants to, and I can just about promise you that "contact" was provided by Michael Yon.

    Michael Yon has sent an email to General Petraeus expressing his full confidence in General Petraeus, and I think it is funny as hell.  Dear Michael, based on what it looks like you took part in....to include not understanding that the COIN strategy is one that belongs to the President of the United States and David Petraeus, I can promise you you will never have another military embed for the length of your natural life.  You email everyone you can imagine about how much full confidence you have in them as far as the military mission goes and enjoy your forever vacation in Thailand.  You managed to finish yourself too.

    Military Tracy (none / 0) (#57)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 02:32:50 PM EST
    Did Josh and your hubby end up coming to Seattle or somewhere else for Josh's procedure?

    They are in San Antonio for his back (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 03:02:41 PM EST
    When Josh gets home and heals we will be on our way to Seattle before school starts.  We wanted to make certain that Joshua was up for keeping his feet first and going through another major surgery.  He just recently made his final decision.  He wants one more surgery first, oy...and about six months in casts bless his heart.  We got bad news about his back.  He will be a titanium rib kid for a very long time.  My husband finished growing very early, and I finished growing very late.  Joshua will have the rods in his back until he quits growing and they checked his growth plates yesterday.  He may be ten years old but he has the growth plates of an eight year old.  And yet, this is good for his feet if he wants to try to keep them.  The surgery they will do is they will take a wedge out of shin to bring his feet plantar again (he is toe walking).  Then they will try stapling the front of his tibia growth plate to his ankle and hopefully his heel will be encouraged to grow more and literally outgrow the front of his ankle, and he has many more years to do this in.  Poor kid though got my slow growing genes and Jew nose bump.  It was really not fair that he got the Jew nose bump, his nose was such a cute little button I thought for sure he got his dad's nose :)

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    What a strong kid he is (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 08:50:33 PM EST
    to be making those kinds of complex decisions. And such a physical, emotional and mental journey for one so young. I wish all of you the best of outcomes.

    And speaking as one who's got a bit of a bump in the schnozz, it ain't hurt me none. Oy!

    Keep me posted on your travel plans to the Great NW. I do an annual end-of-summer BBQ, and it would be fun if you could all come.

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