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Argentina has already scored against South Korea, Greece faces Nigeria and France plays Mexico in a potential knockout game.

I like Greece and France.

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    4-1 Argentina :p (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Jen M on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:08:55 AM EST
    Can no team rid me of this meddlesome team?

    AAAUUUGH

    Greece looks good today (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:09:46 AM EST
    Argentina looked spectacular.  Will France be all they can be today?

    lets hope not... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:14:10 AM EST
    win one for the Irish El Tri!  Vamos Norte Americanos!

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    Yesterday was my underdog day (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:27:00 AM EST
    I really needed South Africa to win on youth day and their hosting, but I didn't get that so whaaaaaaa!  Now I must root for those who have bled and sweated their way into this soccer world.  I must root for the winners now, or I guess the wieners :)

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    Bummer for Nigeria (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:20:36 AM EST
    The goal was wide open but the fates, the fates are owned by Greece I guess :)

    It. Is. So. Loud. Here. GO GREECE! (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:02:55 AM EST
    Plates flying left and right! PANDEMONIUM!

    I just kissed 14 guys in rapid succession. Sirtaki!

    They're setting all the cheese on fire! OPA!
    OMFG! The horror! The horror! ME WITHOUT A PITA!

    justice to sue Arizona (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:27:37 AM EST
    SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, Andrea, first, let me say how pleased I am that I have this chance to talk to you about these and other important issues. President Obama has spoken out against the law because he thinks that the federal government should be determining immigration policy. And the Justice Department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act.
    in yer face James Cameron (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:29:50 AM EST
    BP Purchases 32 of Kevin Costner's Oil-Water Separation Machines

    Lets hope... (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31:49 AM EST
    they work out better than "Waterworld" did:)

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    heh (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:36:38 AM EST
    the headline and a quote from stinque where I found that:

    Kevin Costner officially atones for Dances With Wolves.
    Meanwhile, we'll keep a look out for giant meteors hurling towards Earth that might provide Costner with the opportunity to atone for Waterworld.


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    Full disclosure... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:57:19 AM EST
    I enjoyed "The Postman"...post-apocolypse stories get me everytime...sh*t keeps up we're gonna be living one:)

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    What did you think (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:12:47 PM EST
    of The Road? I thought it was very well done, but about as bleak as they come; though I think humanity at large needs about a thousand-and-one wake up calls at this point any way, so the bleakness didn't bother me overly much, other than my usual very strong visceral reaction at seeing any portrayal of kids in jeopardy.

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    Enjoyed the film... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:58:24 PM EST
    but, as always, the book was better.  Bleak is right...but it does help you appreciate the light...while it lasts:)

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    The Road? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    I just finally saw this a few days ago.  not sure what took me so long.  I thought it was amazing.
    it made me order the book.

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    My husband loves 'Dances with Wolves' (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:19:09 PM EST
    Shouldn't that be treason?  What can I say good about Kevin Costner?  Hmmmmmm....well, I won $600 in his Deadwood Casino about 18 years ago.  I was just messing around too.  It was right before Christmas, I was a single mom and it was my weekend off and this big jerk who had been asking me out constantly until I couldn't stand it took me there.  I really don't have much use for gambling, just ain't my thing.  I was drinking all these free drinks though and I kept winning, it was great, but the a-hole I went with kept coming up to me and "touching me for luck" he said.  One of his last touches almost knocked me down (but I was pretty smashed for the record).  He was mad though, simply cuz I was winning...at gambling.  I've never seen anything like this before.  What a psycho.  I did offer to buy him dinner on the way home.....at McDonalds :)  Wow did he really hate me then, at least we could agree on the hating thing :)

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    Dances with Wolves is one thing.. (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:26:07 PM EST
    but Costner, with that same bland, bored American-everyman delivery playing Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves was going too far..Whose idea was that?

     

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    Or (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:30:53 PM EST
    in the words of the best Robin Hood ever (men in tights):

    "because unlike other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English accent"

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    Credit where its due though... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:01:32 PM EST
    he played a mean Crash Davis, and "JFK" was awesome, even with the Orleans accent struggles.

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    I dont think Garrison (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:10:35 PM EST
    ever had a New Orleans accent to begin with, did he?

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    You tell me old-timer...:) (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:13:05 PM EST
    I picture Jim Garrison and see/hear Kevin Costner..."It's a crime Bill, pure and simple".

    Sh*t's before my time.

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    Im sure the real (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:20:29 PM EST
    Garrison's on Youtube somewhere, everything else is these days..

    I know he made an appearance on the Carson show at one point.

    The late, great John Candy's Dean Andrews and Tommy Lee's reptilian Clay Shaw were the two portrayals I really liked in that film..

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    Clay Shaw... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:46:38 PM EST
    is Clay Bertrand:)

    Lets not forget Joe Pesci (with a supporting nod to the eyebrows) as David Ferry.

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    Here's an extraordinary (none / 0) (#119)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:32:57 PM EST
    broadcast from 1967 by Garrison on NBC, in response to a hit-job "white paper" program that network earlier aired that, iirc, the FCC considered unfair; NBC was required to give Garrison enough prime time to respond, and in the end took only 1/2 hour of the full hour he was entitled to.  

    Watch how he gets right to the point about our gov't telling the public fairy tales, and how the Warren Report is one of them.  

    Brilliant fearless guy, well played by Costner, btw, especially in the closing courtroom statement -- 20 minutes of sustained, outstanding acting by KC.

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    I remember ex-company man (none / 0) (#163)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:26:47 PM EST
    Victor Marchetti quoting Richard Helms in his book as saying during that trial: "make sure our man down there (Shaw) has everything he needs".

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    Helms seems one of the key (none / 0) (#174)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:03:36 PM EST
    dark figures in the CIA-Dallas connection, looking at the evidence overall.  

    Read a while back (iirc, the recent book by James Douglass) that Helms spoke with JFK in the Oval just before the trip to TX.  Kennedy had actually brought him in to chastize him and the Agency for some intel bungling somewhere in the world (SVN?).

    Helms, oddly, before he left the room asked Kennedy to autograph a picture of the president he'd brought.  Some speculate it was with the foreknowledge of what was about to happen, and he wanted his little "souvenir" of their last meeting.

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    There's no question (none / 0) (#180)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:53:58 PM EST
    at this point that there existed at that time - and probably never went away completely, as evidenced by some of the Iran Contra revelations - a slightly unhinged, Cold War jihadist faction in the Intel community and Pentagon, which seemed to be out to hijack American foreign policy for it's own PNAC-like ends.

    Helms was probably another one of those types who believe with something bordering on religious fervor that a kind of hyper-capitalist Manifest Destiny, guided by an elite using the myths and "useful lies" of Plato's philosopher kings - and brute force when necessary - has as it's charge the "securing of the realm"..

    All the grandiose rigmarole was laid out explicitly for everyone to see in the PNAC statement.  

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    abso-effing-lutely brilliant (none / 0) (#181)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 05:05:11 PM EST
    move setting Helms up as Ambassador to Iran, also..

    A move positively magisterial in it's arrogance and idiocy..

    Where would those people get the idea a "nest of spies" existed in their country?

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    JG had a mild NO accent (none / 0) (#124)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:40:36 PM EST
    underlying that deep confident voice of his.  If anything, Costner might have overdone the accent in some scenes, but that's a minor complaint in my book, at most.

    At least he showed up with a decent, good-enough accent and had a go at it.

    True story:  For Oliver Stone's Nixon, actor Anthony Hopkins, generally considered to be, supposedly, a much better actor than Costner, showed up to work for Stone having utterly failed to nail down anything close to the Nixon voice.  Stone, after some efforts at working with Hopkins, soon threw up his hands and just told him to use his own voice.  

     

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    I remember liking his Robin Hood at first (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:32:36 PM EST
    Probably because of Morgan Freeman.  I love everything with Morgan Freeman in it, it's my
    Sesame Street brainwashing showing up again.  But we've had a couple of much better ones since...and then 'Kingdom of Heaven' just blew it all away :)  We recently watched 'Shutter Island' and liked it and 'Alice in Wonderland'.  The new Robin Hood isn't as good as either one of those movies in my opinion, but you just reminded me to look up the story of Longstride and find out if there is any historical truth to that.

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    Ridley Scott did reach back (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:46:23 PM EST
    into history for a bit of his script, not back to a Longstride personality but back to the Charter of the Forest that was a supplement to the Magna Carta.

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    That was something like (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:08:54 PM EST
    the beginning of the "enclosure" movement in England, I take it?

    Robin Hood, since the history is so completely shrouded in myth to begin with, is one of the few themes in which I prefer a to-hell-with-precise-historical-accuracy approach in favor of delving into the earthy, trickster-rogue archetype (with a little old fashioned European class warfare thrown in), that the Robin Hood character, more-or-less, has always represented to the folk imagination.

    I think some vital, poetic truths get lost sometimes when people get too caught up in trying to portray "the real" Robin Hood, or the real Jesus or whomever..

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    oooo (none / 0) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:16:43 PM EST
    his "english accent" in that movie has got to be one of the worst in the history of film.

    have you seen Morgan Freemans new science channel show?
    Through the Wormhole

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    Yes! (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:25:46 PM EST
    Morgan Freeman starts teaching stuff, I feel five again.

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    it was really interesting last night (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:30:30 PM EST
    talking about the possibility that we are all more or less holograms.
    three dimensional projections of a 2 dimensional reality.  and it was not some hack but the guy who won the black hole argument with Hawking.
    makes M theory make more sense.


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    I did too (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:54:06 PM EST
    I like Waterworld too, actually. And Ishtar.

    so you can judge my taste accordingly.

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    Well (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:15:23 PM EST
    A lot of critics are now coming around and saying "the colossal disaster" Heaven's Gate" (one I liked) is a great film after all..

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    Days of Heaven (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:20:10 PM EST
    is a much better bet for a movie with heaven in the title.  Malick is a genius.

    its on my all time top 10 list

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    Im one of the few people (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:25:29 PM EST
    (apparently) who liked The New World..though Im still trying to untangle whether it was just because I started falling a love with the girl who played Pochahontas halfway through the movie..

    Malick's a gifted film maker, there's no doubt about that. Badlands is another one that was rather haunting.

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    I loved the new world (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:28:22 PM EST
    and the Thin Red Line.

    have you seen Days of Heaven?


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    I love Days of Heaven (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:44:03 PM EST


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    is the family gamer (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:50:38 PM EST
    aware how well we are doing at E3?
    I posted some links in the last open.
    (we are nominated for best action game)

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    I'll go check them out after this game (none / 0) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:54:08 PM EST
    He did say that you guys need to get an autographed poster for pre-orders like that assassin's game.  I can't keep up with all the names.  He just brings the report cards home, and we go to GameStop and mom pays up.

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    if you are nice to me (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:56:20 PM EST
    I might just be able to get him an autographed poster.  we do that kind of thing here a lot.  there is almost always a poster in reception to sign.
    it might take a while.  there are no posters yet.

    also.  remind me.


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    He'll freak (none / 0) (#103)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:10:35 PM EST
    Completely freak :)

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    Man I remember one game name though (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:13:46 PM EST
    Even while watching this game with one eye.  Halo.....whew, that next Halo thing is costing me big time.  I looked up what I'm buying and asked him if he really needs that figurine thing.  He absolutely must have the limited plastic sculpture thing :)

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    He hasn't turned in his (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:23:46 PM EST
    Make a Wish paperwork yet either.  School just got out and he has a surgery next week, so I wanted to focus on that during his recovery.  I always horde good stuff for those times.  He knows he wants to go to some facility where they create games, maybe putting in to specifically come to see you guys would be his best bet?

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    they have done (none / 0) (#111)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:26:23 PM EST
    make a wish things here before.
    a few times.

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    Cool (none / 0) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:36:32 PM EST
    When he's gone next week I'll get with you on here and figure out the particulars!

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    cool (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:41:04 PM EST
    I will check with management and see how it works on this end.

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    Not in years (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:36:45 PM EST
    But now that you bring it up, we should definitely rent it. If for no other reason, than to wean the wife away from this (slightly troubling) Avatar fixation that she's developed..

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    I think its his best. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:47:01 PM EST
    such a sad beautiful movie.  typing this I realized I have not seen it since I got HD.  plan to fix that.

    trivia.
    it was on of the major sources for art direction we used for lighting on the disney movie Dinosaur.  they actually got us a print and screened it in the on site theater several times.


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    I liked New World a lot (none / 0) (#110)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:25:06 PM EST
    Need to put Days of Heaven on my list. If I have seen it at all it was a long time ago.

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    I absolutely love the movie (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:29:49 PM EST
    pretty much every single actor turns in their best performance ever.  including Richard Gere.
    Brook Adams and Sam Sheperd are amazing.  its the story of a dying rich man and a couple of grifters who decide marrying a dying rich man would not be bad.

    then it all goes to hell.


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    aalso (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:32:34 PM EST
    mentioned above, Badlands is also in my all time 10 best list.


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    also (none / 0) (#116)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:31:29 PM EST
    make sure you get letterboxed wide screen

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    Best films with "Heaven" in the title: (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:49:55 PM EST
    1.  Heaven Can Wait.  Quirky and funny 70s flick by Warren Beatty and the funny writer from The Graduate and later SNL Whose Name Escapes Me ... Buck Henry.  Small role by his ex girlfriend, Julie Christie, still in her prime.

    2.  Heaven Knows Mr Allison.  Deborah Kerr and Bob Mitchum in a John Huston 50s vehicle set on some remote island.  Romance, drama, action.

    3.  Days of Heaven.  Visual and aural poetic near masterpiece.  Always thought that precious-faced actress who played in this one --  ____ -- should have gone farther in her career.  She was also fine in the 70s remake of the Bodysnatchers movie.

    4.  Heaven's Gate.  Never seen the whole thing.  I'm told though that the original director's cut -- 4 hrs or whatever -- is supposed to be a masterpiece.  Or at least not the horrendous waste of money and talent that was (I'm told) on display in the studio-edited truncated version.  Whatever happened to Cimino, btw?    


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    I would add (none / 0) (#137)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:59:01 PM EST
    Kingdom of Heaven

    Far From Heaven

    and

    Heaven (2002)

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    Let's not forget (none / 0) (#155)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:10:46 PM EST
    Heaven and Earth by Oliver Stone, the final piece of his Vietnam trilogy.  

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    OH (none / 0) (#139)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:01:25 PM EST
    and how could I forget one of my favorites

    Gates of Heaven.

    GATES OF HEAVEN is one of those fascinating films that no matter how many times you see, the mysteries contained in it only get deeper. The film is a documentary about pet cemeteries, but what may have turned into a freak show- a movie about people who value pets so much they pay thousands of dollars to bury them- becomes an inspection of the human soul.


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    Does this count? (none / 0) (#140)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:02:15 PM EST
    "Der Himmel über Berlin," by Wim Wenders.  Also know as "Wings of Desire."

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    the (none / 0) (#151)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:08:51 PM EST
    Sweet Hereafter is great too.

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    Excellent film. (none / 0) (#162)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:23:59 PM EST


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    The Sweet Hereafter: (none / 0) (#167)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:45:27 PM EST
    as Mike Meyer's Dieter character (in the black leotard) would say: "Deliciously disturbing.."

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    great film (eom) (1.00 / 1) (#134)
    by sher on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:53:48 PM EST


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    Watch Dos Santos take over (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by LatinoDC on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:50:17 PM EST
    the Mexico-France game...I picked a tie for this one, but I wish I could change it to a 2 goal win for Mexico.

    I pick France (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:27:36 PM EST
    But I'd rather party with Mexico

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    You already know... (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:36:25 PM EST
    I pick Mexico...in part so I can keep havin' a place to party in Mexico:)

    I know my friends having a Guiness in the pubs of Dublin agree...join the force M.T., leave the dark side!

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    France is the darkside (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:40:43 PM EST
    Just ask the military.  They'll bury that blade between your shoulder blades before you can say I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy (snark)

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    Dos Santos can take advantage of FRA's ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:31:11 PM EST
    ... disorganization (ie, sloppiness so far in maintaining formation and their 'Zone-D').

    Diff One: If France has their act together, they can skew their zone to tamp out Dos Santos explosive ability to bust out and lead an attack.

    Diff Two: Whether the yellows incurred by key players, and which were "wasted" in France's first game (they didn't get a victory out of it, like SUI did, winning ugly against their Group's Alpha Dog ESP) temper aggressive play from the get-go.

    Diff Three: BTD's call-jinx appears to have lifted! ;-)

    The Greece/Nigeria game was a heart-stopper to watch and I'm guessing this match will top that one, because both teams have so much on the line and can't afford NOT to take chances.

    No safe bets in this WC, and even though I've seen some of my faves take it on the chin, I kind of like it that way more!

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    Yellowcard? (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:35:40 PM EST
    Thatz sum buuulllchit.

    the refs (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:38:00 PM EST
    have been rather over-zealous.  That last "foul" on Mexico was all ball, and the guy tripped over him.  Cmon.

    On another note, I've finally figured out how to stream games :)

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    What's the deal w/the yellow cards (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:03:26 PM EST
    and barred from next game?  How many cards does it take?  Cumulative?

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    2 yellow cards (none / 0) (#164)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:30:23 PM EST
    in one game equals a red card.  Which means you are out of the game (no sub allowed) and barred from the next game.

    2 yellow cards, in different games means you are barred from the next game, but your team does not play down.

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    Thanks. What are the most frequent (none / 0) (#165)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:32:59 PM EST
    reasons for yellow carding?  

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    Broadly, illegal play, impeding a player outside (none / 0) (#176)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:15:36 PM EST
    ... a genuine (and legit) move for the ball, unsportsmanlike conduct, needless roughness apart from the 'normal' level of aggression as set generally. There's a game-related level too, like a shift in fouls handed out between two characteristically physical teams or when it's a key game and the refs ease back to "let the players play" and decide the outcome with play rather than on very close calls.

    As mentioned elsewhere, two yellows means a Red Card and a toss (and a sit in the Group Round). Is it a scrub taking one for the team, or a huge millstone on star players? Check out:
    Portugal ask FIFA to cancel Ronaldo yellow card.

    Tactically, it can be similar to using fouls in hoops to shut down or take out a key player. (I mentioned SUI's 4 yellows accrued in muscling past the surprised Group favorite ESP.) Strategically, if it was part of an overall approach to surviving the Group round and SUI doesn't mind dialing it back for the weaker teams ahead, playing "on credit" as it were can pay off bigtime with a Swiss advance to the next stage.

    Yellows can also mean rookie mistakes or outright thuggery. Think about cleats-first slides into 2nd base that deliberately aim for a player's ankles or knees with the intent to injure OR send a payback message about aggressive play.

    The refs are also being more hard-@ssed about flopping and diving acrobatics to work the refs and the crowd. No rewards for the Drama Club pretending to fall down injured, in the hopes of using the crowd to work the refs or result in a nearby opposing player getting carded.

    Also, the refs seem to be hard-carding back-talk and on-field litigating about a yellow. I consider myself a moderate fan -- paying close attention to the WC and Euros, but highlight viewing and osmosis 2nd-hand expertise for qualifying play and regular action abroad -- so I'll leave more expert 'splaining to the wizards!

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    But no penalty for the cleats-up slide (none / 0) (#177)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:20:50 PM EST
    into second base.  No crying/flopping in baseball.  Oh, except, sometimes it is questionable whether a player was hit by a pitch or made a diligent effort to avoid being hit.

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    Well hey, that's what brawls are for! :-D n/t (none / 0) (#179)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:22:39 PM EST


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    You must flop and cry (none / 0) (#185)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:40:17 PM EST
    to give the impression you were cleated :)  Even if you weren't :)  I love it when they lay there, hold their leg and look to see where the ref is and if they are looking....then the face breaks out in pain.  But you can't see where the ref is when you scrunch your eyes all up in the face of pain first.  Then you have refs that are big on playing through.  The floppers flop and they wave to play through, and when the players get it that a ref is like that they start knocking the hell out of an opposing player that they fear when the ref is looking elsewhere at current play.  That happened to Suarez for awhile yesterday.

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    GOP lawmaker demands Barton step down . . . (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:02:20 PM EST
    . . . from top committee spot

    A Republican lawmaker from a district affected by the oil spill called on Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) to step down as the ranking member of his committee.

    Rep. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), whose Pensacola district is among the most affected areas in the Gulf by the oil spill, condemned Barton for apologizing to BP CEO Tony Hayward during a committee meeting on Thursday.

    "I condemn Mr. Barton's statement. Mr. Barton's remarks are out of touch with this tragedy and I feel his comments call into question his judgment and ability to serve in a leadership on the Energy and Commerce Committee," Miller said in a statement. "He should step down as ranking member of the Committee."
    Good to hear the Gulf Coast (none / 0) (#121)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    Republicans have not totally lost their minds.

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    GO KOREA!! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Jen M on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 07:45:31 AM EST
    GETTEM!

    Is the BTD jinx... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:14:47 AM EST
    still in effect?  Please say yes cuz I'd be most pleased by Nigerian and Mexican victories on today's card:)

    He did ok yesterday (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:03:36 AM EST
    went 2-3.  So if he does as well today you could get Nigeria (a pick) and Mexico (not picked).

    I'm rooting for them today too.  Too bad about South Korea.  Although that makes things better for Nigeria.

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    Is this an open thread? (none / 0) (#4)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:38:27 AM EST
    Woke up to see Keith Olbermann GBCW'ed DailyKos.  No one is safe from the Obama can do no wrong crowd over there.

    And if this is not an open thread, I can't root for NK, even against the pompous heavily favored Argentinians. Weird because I almost always root for the underdog when I could not otherwise care less.

    Just saw that the team was from SK... (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:49:54 AM EST
    ... uh, Go South Korea!

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    S. Korea has gone allright... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 08:54:18 AM EST
    from 2-0 victory elation to 4-1 blowout defeat...a nice opening for Nigeria in regards to goal differential if they can beat the Greeks...who looked awful in their opener.

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    uh-oh, am I going to have to click over (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:39:08 AM EST
    to Kos to see what GBCW means? don't make me, please! I do have a morbid interest in KO and Kos, but not enough to give them a click.

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    Good bye cruel world (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:47:32 AM EST
    and it shows the worst of both KO and a large chunk of the Kos community. KO quitting because of one comment that only received 2 recs after years of KO worship over there on the one hand, and the pro-Obama mob that swarm and bully diaries critical of Obama on the other.

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    Great - my new favorite acronym (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:55:08 AM EST
    Does seem like the worst of both being shown off to full advantage. This must be what is being referred to by some cryptic tweets I've seen about someone being thin-skinned. Thanks for the nutshell description.

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:16:21 AM EST
    I'm told that comment had a lot more recs and when Olbermann called them on it a whole bunch of them removed their rec.  The internet has a memory and leaves evidence and upon being reminded of that most of them were unwilling to be accountable :)

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    Good-bye (none / 0) (#13)
    by waldenpond on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:48:23 AM EST
    Cruel World.

    I checked out Kos after Obama's speech.  They were not positive.

    I think the only site that completely supports Obama is BJ and they have a lot of former Bush voters so it's an odd site (BJ is listed as 'center' by outside analyst group)

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    Did you read Keith Olbermann's posting? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:12:47 AM EST
    I was having insomnia last night so I went to go read over there.  What a hoot and a half.  Between Olbermann and Slinkerwink and LaFeministing and the comments in their diaries, I was howling with laughter.

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    An Olbermann GBCW at the Cheetoh place ... ? (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:23:03 AM EST
    That's like an unprecedented World Cup of drama queenery. I'll have to tune in for that at some point.

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    Perfect description (none / 0) (#112)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:27:02 PM EST
    I'm tempted too...maybe later with an adult beverage.

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    What a flop by the Greek player (none / 0) (#8)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:37:30 AM EST
    That European style flopping is destroying the NBA.

    As long as flopping prompts red carding the other team, it will keep happening.

    that was a total dive (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:56:27 AM EST
    but also a really stupid play by the nigerian.

    You don't blatantly try to kick someone when the ball is completely dead after the play.  Just a stupid, stupid move.

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    For a second, I thought Manu Ginobli (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:03:53 AM EST
    was playing soccer for the Greeks.

    Yeah, I didn't see the kick attempt at first by the Nigerian.  Even though the Greek flopped, trying to cleat someone is red card worthy.

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    And he didn't try to kick him (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:18:16 AM EST
    He made contact, with his cleats.

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    That was some blatant chit (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:07:50 AM EST
    I almost dropped my morning coffee.

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    Texan Barton apologized to BP (none / 0) (#10)
    by waldenpond on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:44:34 AM EST
    for the 'shakedown' they are experiencing at the hands of the WH. What is wrong with these people?

    Amazing (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:50:36 AM EST
    If by shakedown he means using the weight of the presidency to suggest certain consequences for BP if they don't handle things responsibly, I wish Obama was always a shakedown artist

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    How can anyone vote for these guys? (none / 0) (#19)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:07:07 AM EST
    Let alone 45% of the country in every election.

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    I have no idea (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:19:35 AM EST
    Haley Barbour is singing a different verse of the same song, and he is Gov. of Mississippi, a state directly affected. He is taking it from the angle of concern troll:

    h/t Atrios:

    "If they take a huge amount of money and put it in an escrow account so they can't use it to drill oil wells and produce revenue, are they going to be able to pay us?" Gov. Haley Barbour told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.

    I'd like to see all the Gulf State pols have to take a stand on this one way or another before November.

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    45% of the country... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:29:28 AM EST
    is living the fantasy that one day they can be a big player at BP with a 7-8 figure salary plus bonus and sick bennies...Joe the Plumber syndrome.

    Though I do kinda share their skepticism to an extent...give the government control of doling it out and you'll see a lot of friends in high places getting a piece of that action....pick your shady poison.

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    I know I was on here just yesterday (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:46:27 AM EST
    defending goalies.. but wow.  If the greek goalie had just stood there instead of diving out of the way that would not have been a goal.  Hard to see from the replay, so maybe it bounced off something last minute - but I didn't see anything that would've made him dive away from the ball.

    And now greece has equalized... have to wait to see that one.

    The Nigerian and his defenders (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 09:50:12 AM EST
    have played well. The goalie dove for a shot as the ball clipped the heel of one of his defenders, sending the ball to the other post.  Nothing he could do on that one.

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    Wow, what a save by the Nigerian (none / 0) (#26)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:19:21 AM EST
    and what a blown opportunity by Nigeria on the counter-attack.

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    The Greek goalie made a great save too (none / 0) (#27)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:20:24 AM EST


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    BUDUNITED.COM? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:29:08 AM EST
    You guys can't want our crappy beer!  But they are going to try :)

    A great save by Nigeria (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:32:48 AM EST
    and a great save by Nigeria, then Greece scores.

    ...and another great save by the Nigerian. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by magster on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:37:51 AM EST
    He's great, and he's getting po'd at his defense.

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    he should be (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:42:11 AM EST
    24 shots by Greece, 10 on goal.  Clearly not doing their job.

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    It is difficult to watch a great (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:44:10 AM EST
    goalie try to make up for the rest of the defense.  And that's pretty hard to do when Greece is on their game.  It was difficult to watch Honduras' incredible defense try to survive its offense yesterday too.  It geniunely makes my heart hurt a little cuz they are playing their hearts out.

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    Second round....great shooting (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 10:38:05 AM EST
    all over.

    yeah, it's like they've gotten used (none / 0) (#62)
    by LatinoDC on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:50:56 PM EST
    to the ball.

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    I was wondering about that (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:30:56 PM EST
    This first round shooting was really bad.  I think I read somewhere that Germany had been practicing with the new ball for quite awhile too.  If so, why them and not everyone else?  Now my husband is asking for one.  He's an old fart and its like $200 for the official one.

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    IDK, maybe they didn't think (none / 0) (#100)
    by LatinoDC on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:05:16 PM EST
    it would be such a big problem.  I remember we saw so many great goals in the first round in 2006, now I've only seen Ronaldo shoot well from long distance (and Uruguay in their second game).

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    On the 20 billion dollar escrow thang... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03:30 AM EST
    it really goes to show that the US government is the protection racket for outfits like BP when BP agreed so easily to pony up the 20 billion...probably an unwritten no-perp walk/no-chains clause in this deal.

    And when some estimates put their liability at 30-100 billion, 20 bill is a steal.

    Never let it be said that the protection racket doesn't deliver for their cut.  

    I think it is more of an (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:15:24 AM EST
     'we will be less likely to yank your government contracts' type of persuasion. I don't see anything wrong with that. There are plenty of broad exit clauses in government contracts, and contractor negligence of this magnitude would certainly fall under at least one of them.

    Implied criminal immunity would be wrong though, IMO. Definite abuse of executive power, as I see it from my non-lawyer eyes.

    The 20 billion is just the first money in the pipeline to help the people with financial damages right now. It does not limit BPs ultimate liability.

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    Though... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:25:32 AM EST
    they had the suspects right there on the hill, no arrests made.  We'd have John Law on our arse, citation book in hand, if we threw a couple quarts of oil in the regular garbage.

    Hope you're right about this not being a 20b and done...but we saw how Exxon was able to kick/scream appeal their Valdez liability way down...they did not pay full freight.  Neither will BP I'm afraid. That's just how this racket works.


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    You are right about that (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:53:01 PM EST
     
    We'd have John Law on our arse, citation book in hand, if we threw a couple quarts of oil in the regular garbage.


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    Add... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30:55 AM EST
    we haven't yanked their government contracts yet?  After this display of incompetence?  Egads!

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    That may have been some of the (none / 0) (#101)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:05:44 PM EST
    negotiation leverage. Moving toward listing (i.e., a process for cutting off all government contracts.) I'm also guessing that stock market effects and the "promise" of years of dragging BP through the legal mud in public might have weighed in their quick determination to listen to the President's position of $20B for compensation (uncapped and apart from general clean-up and other legal costs) plus $100M for unemployment stemming from moratorium.
    As the NY Times editorial states today: A very good start. And, it probably took some needed hardball by the WH.  (An aside: You play well the necessary role of skeptic, kdog. This deal has to be dogged every step of the way. Two things, tho: In all honesty, this agreement is quite good at this stage in terms of starting $$ and its broader terms...and, especially, being arrived at without months/years of negotiation. AND, the appointment of experienced K Feinberg as administrator of the escrow fund is a master-stroke, saving time and money.)

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    If you tell me its good news... (none / 0) (#107)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:20:04 PM EST
    I feel better about it chris...I sure as hell don't doubt Bush woulda took much less on our behalf...small consolation that it is.

    And I admire your ability to remain relatively non-cynical:)

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    Sadly enough, it just highlights how little (none / 0) (#47)
    by Farmboy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:36:33 AM EST
    any president can do on their own. Without action from congress, which they won't take, getting even a promise from BP to create the fund is about the limit.

    Jon Stewart really brought that home last night. Every president since Nizon, without exception, has been trying to get something done about the oil industry. And every congress since then, without exception, has sat on their hands while raking in the campaign dollars from the oil industry.

    Diogenes of Sinope would be lonely in DC...

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    Is there no criminal justice recourse? (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:45:56 AM EST
    Can't the pres direct the AG to make some arrests here?  I can see the pres being semi-powerless to make BP pay for all the damage, without the help of congress people gotta sue to get monetary justice, I get that...but surely enviromental destruction of this magnitude breaks some criminal laws that the pres could have applied.  Or is this a case of legalized enviromental destruction?

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    He has directed the AG to (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:08:09 PM EST
    investigate for criminal charges. I wish it were faster too, but we all know it is not.

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    Investigate? (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:05:23 PM EST
    Living things are suffocating to death under all that evidence, never mind the dead oil workers...were not talking about some complex Wall St. scheme here that requires a case to be built prior to arrest.

    Like I was saying before, if we dumped a couple quarts in the regular garbage there wouldn't be a 6 month investigation prior to the citation being issued.  

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    Who did the criminal act? (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:30:42 PM EST
    I have no doubt someone did...but was it BP, Haliburton, all of the above, and which individuals?

    Unfortunately companies are only treated as people for purposes of giving money to pols, not for putting in jail.

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    Touche... (none / 0) (#183)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 05:56:40 PM EST
    they could at least not let 'em collect bills till its cleaned up...like in Monopoly jail.

    Come to think of it, isn't the custom to arrest everybody and let the DA sort it out?  I mean, if equality under the law existed.

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    The tipping point? (none / 0) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:25:32 PM EST
    have you found the tipping point that now has you wanting to use the cages?

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    Some fairness would be nice.... (none / 0) (#102)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:06:49 PM EST
    and equality under the law, sure..but no, I have no desire to see the BP boardroom caged up for a draconian amount of time, just outta the oil business and paying the full freight on clean-up satisfies my thirst.

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    I think they will be out of the oil business (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:32:50 PM EST
    As I think Atrios said, they just don't realize it yet. Let's get some money and clean-up time out of them before that happens.

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    Works for me... (none / 0) (#126)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:42:03 PM EST
    Another inequality under the law point...how much hard time we would get under cruelty to animals charges alone?

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    Yup (none / 0) (#130)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:50:20 PM EST
    Really IMO there is no punishment bad enough for that aspect of it alone. Heartbreaking.

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    If I was Michael Vick... (none / 0) (#136)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:55:26 PM EST
    I'd be pretty pissed off right about now...he got nuthin' on BP when it comes to animal cruelty.

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    Read a financial analyst (none / 0) (#127)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:44:01 PM EST
    this morning that said Chapter 11 could be by the end of the summer but BP like Exxon before it could emerge just fine in the long run unless criminal negligence charges are filed.

    As for the cleanup, he suggested that not only will BP not be able to fully pay for the cleanup but no one has the funds to fully pay for the cleanup.

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    And they only have to (none / 0) (#49)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 11:43:50 AM EST
    come up with FIVE Billion this year...and of course they'll be able to weasel out of the rest by next year.

    Why do you think there were smirks and practically high-fives between BP execs as they came out of the "meeting".

    Steal is right.

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    5 billion more than (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:10:37 PM EST
    there would be if it were left up to Joe Barton and Haley Barbour.

    and John Boehner too, as I am listening to him right now.

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    I'm just glad (none / 0) (#58)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:31:34 PM EST
    they won't be in charge of distributing the money.

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    If the so called "small people" (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 12:51:50 PM EST
    get something this year instead of wading through the courts for years I will call it a good thing.

    I'm not arguing against the fact that the system is rigged for the oil companies. That has been an established fact for years.

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    heh (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    you know, that was clearly the wrong thing to say, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.  English is not his native language, I've said some stupid $hit when trying to speak another language, even one I knew well.  Had the British guy said it, that would be one thing.  I'll cut Mr. Swede some slack though.

    I agree with you on the fund.

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    I know, I think it is more (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:34:23 PM EST
    funny than anything else. I can understand perfectly how a non-native English speaker would say 'small' instead of 'little'.

    At least he did not say 'the wee people'.

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    To: CST (none / 0) (#104)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:12:35 PM EST
    I'm glad the Boehners-of-the-world aren't in charge also. Maybe the reported "enthusiasm gap" will turn Democratic when the new Joe (Barton) is considered. Or...say hello to their being in charge.

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    Every party needs a pooper... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:34:38 PM EST
    that's why NY State invited special narc Bridget Brennan....raining on the medical mj parade in NY.

    Hate to break it to ya narc lady but the only threat to my health and safety that I can see is...umm, people like you.  Certainly not this fine plant.

    This is a good game! (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 01:58:24 PM EST
    They're all blanketed up though on the sidelines.

    Teams seem (none / 0) (#106)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:17:08 PM EST
    pretty evenly matched, France is playing a bit better - more solid chances, but they are just wasting them.  Mexican chances have not been as good, but they seem to be doing more with less.

    Both D's fairly solid.  No uncontested shots here.

    Dos Santos takes the shot (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:20:31 PM EST
    When you are this evenly matched that's what you do too. Mexico's opportunities may have been fewer but he evens it up alot playing like that.

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    oh yea (none / 0) (#128)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:46:50 PM EST
    and Mexico appears to be taking control of the game now... and the first solid shot comes from France :)

    It seems like whoever is controlling the ball in this game does less with it up top.  Too many air balls.

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    MEX had the edge on pressure; kept it up ... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:06:25 PM EST
    ... held it together and it paid off. Not pretty but effective. There'll be griping about whether that borderline offside helped. My formula: if it's Blamey it's innately Lamey! (Sorry, they can't all be gems!)

    AND NOW A PENALTY!!! Ooh la la! Gooooaaallllll!

    Quel fromage! France is all but out now.

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    De par my chandelle verte! (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:15:13 PM EST
    The French have just about been done in by the green meanies from south of the border.

    A shame.

    Gonna miss seeing the coolest colored jerseys in the WC, their French blue with the stripes.

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    wrote that in the first half (none / 0) (#152)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:09:04 PM EST
    things definitely changed in the second.

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    Yep. As the game showed, it was down to who ... (none / 0) (#168)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:45:32 PM EST
    ... could bring it. Kudos to Mexico for making it an emphatic win with the penalty kick. I wouldn't have wanted their solid effort tainted by a controversial offside (non)call on the first goal.

    France could have been all there and all that but weren't.

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    Bullfighting Mishaps, exhibit A (none / 0) (#113)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:28:47 PM EST
    WARNING: This is graphic and disturbing, but damn you have to give the bull his due. Quite the takedown.  They should really have given this steer an award, and let him live out his life in peace.

    thats amazing (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:39:53 PM EST
    you go bull.
    I wish they could just lose bullfighting and keep the pants

    ;-)

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    I recently saw a headline about (none / 0) (#153)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:09:28 PM EST
    the Mexican matador who ran out of the ring facing criminal charges.  Isn't that a tad extreme?

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    saw that too (none / 0) (#160)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:17:58 PM EST
    better that than this.  still.  no sympathy.  none.
    he got exactly what he deserved in my opinion.  
    he survived.  you can bet the bull did not.


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    Bull fighting: (none / 0) (#173)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:00:42 PM EST
    Yet another glaring example of the bankruptcy of the idea that "cultural tradition" automatically equates with something life affirming and humane.

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    Mexico scores (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:50:40 PM EST
    Life sucks in France :)

    22 years old (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:51:42 PM EST
    Eat that you old Frenchies :)

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    The French captain's butt looks (none / 0) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:53:52 PM EST
    really clenched.  Is it my imagination or am I just being a cougar?

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    goooooooooooooooooooool (none / 0) (#133)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 02:52:23 PM EST
    wow - everyone on France got caught sleeping.

    Dos Santos is all smiley (none / 0) (#138)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:00:25 PM EST
    He doesn't even look winded.  His locks are tossing, I feel like he needs a juice box though :)

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    I am soooo sorry 12-yr. old tutoree (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:06:06 PM EST
    is missing this game.  He would be really excited.

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    If El Tri goes deep... (none / 0) (#170)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:51:11 PM EST
    ya gotta talk to tutoree's mom about a lil' hooky...strict policy or not.

    Esta es La Copa del Mundo!!!

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    We have a language barrier. Maybe (none / 0) (#178)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 04:22:26 PM EST
    next game is on weekend?  School isn't out for these diligent kids until July 1--half day.

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    Next game is Tuesday, 7 a.m. (none / 0) (#182)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 05:32:25 PM EST
    PST.  School starts at 9 am I think.  I have 12:45 pm domestic flight.  Could do it.  Probably will.

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    he should be smiling (none / 0) (#147)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:06:21 PM EST
    goooooooooooooooooooooooooool #2

    Mexico has taken over this game.

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    Woo-Hoo!!! (none / 0) (#142)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:04:19 PM EST
    Hold on Mexico...or better yet put up the duece!

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    You should see the Mexico coaches face (none / 0) (#150)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:07:46 PM EST
    on the tube.  He would have explained it all to us beforehand, but he likes it better this way :)

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    Mexico was fouled inside the box (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:05:09 PM EST
    This is bad.

    Score again (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:05:48 PM EST
    Poor goalie

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    not much (none / 0) (#149)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:07:29 PM EST
    he could've done about either goal.

    He'll get over it.

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    Mexico scores on a penalty kick. (none / 0) (#145)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:06:04 PM EST


    Is it true or some urban legend (none / 0) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:09:51 PM EST
    that you can put so much paint on your skin that you have to go to the emergency room :)?

    not sure (none / 0) (#156)
    by CST on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:11:39 PM EST
    but those Mexican fans might prove it one way or the other.

    Awesome masks/headgear.  Clearly outdoing the french fans.

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    I saw the Aztec God (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:13:57 PM EST
    First God I've ever actually seen.  2012 ain't lookin so Good :)

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    Funniest comment of the thread. (none / 0) (#172)
    by mexboy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:53:29 PM EST
    Chacharito, from Mexico, debuts in a world cup with a goal! It was an exiting game, with the threat of violence and all...
    So on to the next round.  Viva Mexico!


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    Six and a half minutes to go (none / 0) (#157)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:11:54 PM EST
    to 90 and commenter on ESPN is talking about Mexico beating France for the first time in history :)  That's just mean

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    LatinoDC called it (none / 0) (#161)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:20:36 PM EST
    Mexico by 2

    speaking of movies (none / 0) (#166)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 03:38:28 PM EST
    remember 8 Heads in a Duffelbag

    Southwest Finds Shipment of Heads on a Plane

    Ewwww, you have a live demo (none / 0) (#184)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 07:46:16 PM EST
    Well I won't be showing him that until after the U.S. game tomorrow cuz my puter will be gone as soon as he knows.  Congrats on your early success!!!!

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