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    the poor cow (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:46:17 PM EST
    Man forced to marry cow

    Unemployed Ngurah Alit, 18, was seen in a Bali paddy field standing naked behind the animal.

    He claimed he believed the cow was a young and beautiful woman, and it had seduced him with flattering compliments.

    He was then forced to marry the cow to cleanse the coastal village of Yeh Embang of the bestiality.

    Alit quickly then became a widower when his new bride was drowned in the sea as part of the Pecaruan ritual. Alit was only symbolically drowned and bathed on the beach.

    Chief Ida Bagus Legawa declared that the village had then been `cleansed' from the `defilement from the incident.'



    Oh, geez, Cap (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:56:01 PM EST
    Where do you find these links?  You come up with some dandies.  ;-)

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    My thoughts, exactly. And does it matter (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:59:37 PM EST
    the young man is 18 and unemployed?

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    One minute they're idle, shiftless youth (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:04:15 PM EST
    hanging out on the corner, and the next they're messing up the whole village with their ... well, you know.  Damned teeneagers.

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    Well, the article doesn't tell us (none / 0) (#29)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:06:32 PM EST
    what line he sold to the cow.  He might've gotten away with telling it he was an internet millionaire or had a hay farm or something.  

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    Why do animals always have to pay the price (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Joan in VA on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:07:53 PM EST
    for people's dumbassness? The cow seduced me, the BOP can't fail, you can kill whales if you record their DNA, blah, blah, blah. I hope that Karma is for real and some folks get to experience a future life as a non-human.

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    my thoughts exactly (none / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:09:43 PM EST
    n/t

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    And reincarnation. duh. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Joan in VA on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:13:02 PM EST
    Gloria Allred will say that case is not Moooot ... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 06:04:31 PM EST
    ... or come to my aid when I'm chased off the web for lowering the level of discourse.

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    I give Pam Geller's (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:13:54 PM EST
    husband another couple of years before he thinks about undergoing a similar ritual.

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    She's married????? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 07:11:57 PM EST
    Well, I guess it's true what they say- there's a lid for every pot.

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    Wolcott on the PayPal (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:14:55 PM EST
    vs Pam Geller dustup.

    I didn't weigh in yesterday, but I did find the PayPal policy he quotes. It is right there in the user agreement.

    Wolcott says it better than I can anyway.

    pfft (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:20:21 PM EST
    Geller, a drama queen who makes Joan Crawford swinging an ax in Strait-Jacketlook demure,


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    Huh? (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:29:04 PM EST
    Got something against Wolcott, or do you have a soft spot for Geller?

    pfft
    1.An expression of a lack of interest in another persons comment 2.Used to look down upon another.

    Don't get it, cap't, please illuminate.

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    it has another meaning (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:31:19 PM EST
    I think it was hilarious.


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    actually (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:32:14 PM EST
    I didnt realize it had a definition.

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    Urban Dictionary (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:34:45 PM EST
    Good One (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:24:42 PM EST
    Wolcott has a way with words....  

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    If Pay Pal says (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:44:52 PM EST
    in their opinion, Pam Geller is a racist, she can not sue them for defamation.

    Protected opinion speech.

    She has no case.

    She has no beef imo either.

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    PayPal's stand almost (none / 0) (#37)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:17:59 PM EST
    makes worthwhile dealing with all the other headaches that come with PayPal.

    I applaud their good sense in this instance, but will leave it at that.

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    PayPal. Facebook. What's the diff? (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:23:36 PM EST
    I sent my bike-riding brother some $$ in November via PayPal. Now I can't shake them.

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    You can't shake them? (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:51:01 PM EST
    What do you mean?  I've been using PP for years and I get maybe one email a month (or maybe less because that seems high to me) from them promoting some deal or other.

    Are they spamming you, do you mean?

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    Once a month is more than I want to (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 01:18:53 AM EST
    hear from them.  Must seek out "unsubscribe."

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    Picking winners tomorrow (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:25:49 PM EST
    in the World Cup probably not rocket science.  Slovakia, Portugal, and Brazil.

    I wouldn't write off (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:51:02 PM EST
    the Ivory Coast vs. Portugal, as they are the only opposing team in that bunch that qualifies as "good".  Especially if Drogba somehow manages to show up as the bionic man.

    It would be nice to see another African team do well.  They are one of the best.  Too bad they got stuck in this group and maybe lost their best player.

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    I wish good things for the Ivory Coast (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:29:16 PM EST
    but I don't see them taking out Portugal.

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    me neither (none / 0) (#69)
    by CST on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 08:49:21 AM EST
    but it could happen

    New Zealand just tied Slovakia

    New rule for the World Cup - don't take any wins for granted.  Except maybe Brazil over North Korea.

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    Aravosis disappointed in Obama (none / 0) (#9)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:34:51 PM EST
    This was surprising to see...

    [The issue isn't that people's expectations of you were too high. No one expected you to be Superman. We did however expect you to at least try to do your job, and attempt to keep your promises. It often doesn't feel like you attempt either one. It sometimes even feels that you don't fully realize that you're President.]

    and... :(

    [But there's a larger problem here, Mr. President. Your staff and supporters would have us rest assured that your subdued leadership style, while not very flashy or paternalistic, is quietly and consistently getting the job done behind the scenes, even if it doesn't look that way to the public. The problem is, I don't think people believe you're actually working diligently behind the scenes. That isn't your style, as we've seen on issue after issue since you've taken office.]

    Memo to the President


    Actually, his campaign was pushing (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:45:43 PM EST
    t-shirts with him as Superman.  When I was working the polls on election day, our district leader was wearing one.  (Even when the McSame thugs tried to start a fight and were verbally abusing the women working the polls.) So, when someone says this:

    The issue isn't that people's expectations of you were too high. No one expected you to be Superman.

    they're either full of it, or willfully blind.  The Superman expectation was created by the candidate who has now failed to deliver.

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    he hasnt (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:47:20 PM EST
    even been Green Lantern

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    Well Well Well (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:48:39 PM EST
    After so long a binge, you can't expect him to remember everything, can you.

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    When you forget what went on (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:54:17 PM EST
    while you were hammered, you know you were really hammered.  

    And this particular advice is coming from a character who once drank 5 - count 'em, five - of those full-liter mugs of German beer (and three more bottles of beer), made the 8 AM class the next day, remembers all of it and did not get sick.  

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:07:20 PM EST
    The memory loss comes when drinking 5 liters +, every day for a few years.

    When did he start? That is a lot of liters of kool aid? It is a wonder that he even remembered backing the guy.

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    You had (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:29:35 PM EST
    FIVE mass? (Masses?  Whatever the plural is.)  When we were in Munich a few months ago, I couldn't even manage one in the beer garden! (But then, Mr. Zorba kept pointing out what a wimp I was, since even the frail-looking, white-haired grandmothers were downing at least two.)

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    I have the same problem in Ireland (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:48:33 PM EST
    with Guiness,  It takes me forever to down a pint and it is really wimpy to ask for a glass.  

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    Although (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    Guiness has less calories and less alcohol than most beers.  Counter intuitive, imo, but true.

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    Definitely not what I thought. Really filling. (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 06:25:35 PM EST
    The Irish young men seem to have switched to Carlsbad Light.

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    Filling, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 07:23:03 PM EST
    Drinking a Guiness is like drinking a loaf of bread. Albeit a very tasty loaf.

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    Yes Technology (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:46:39 PM EST
    Yes because they get stoned faster on Carlsberg.

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    I asked a guy why he was drinking that (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 01:38:09 AM EST
    instead of Guiness.  He sd. he noticed he isn't so hung over the next morning.  Easier to make to work.

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    I can do a black and tan (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:19:18 PM EST
    But I can't chew my way through a Guinness, particularly if it isn't "extra cold".

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    Well (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:33:23 PM EST
    Obviously scribe was hanging out with Germans, looooong nights, lots of beer...  I never really drank until I spent time in germany, but preferred small glasses of kolsh or alt, to liters. They get stale, unless you drink really fast.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#44)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:39:19 PM EST
    I finally switched to drinking the nice German Rieslings.

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    Yum... (none / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:41:06 PM EST
    Concur on that. (none / 0) (#80)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:08:29 PM EST
    The thing is, the really good German stuff - the drier whites - never make it out of the country.  They drink them all at home.  If they tell you the wine is "herb" (pronounced "hairb") or "herbfrisch" - that's the one you want.  Sweaty-bottle cold, with maybe some fresh bread, butter, hard or medium cheese, maybe some ham or a salad.  Enjoy this alfresco, maybe under a trellised rosebush or grapevine, or a shady tree.

    Yup.

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    Yes, I really did. (none / 0) (#79)
    by scribe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:01:20 PM EST
    And three more bottles (in a bar that didn't use the MaB b/c the crowd had the potential to be a bit rough).

    And I made my 8 o'clock class when the sun came up next.

    'Course, I'd been living there for about two years at that time.

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    Here's an image of the candidate (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:49:17 PM EST
    even a (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:36:18 PM EST
    stopped clock . . .

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    Intoxication (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:41:04 PM EST
    Unfortunately there is always the morning after

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    Grief (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:10:33 PM EST
    I was thinking it's been like watching some of these writers go through the stages of grief lately....

    Could it be 'hopium' withdrawal?  :)

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    Joan Walsh, too (none / 0) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:52:17 PM EST
    She's got a pretty devastating commentary just up recently on Salon.

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    The Etheridge dust up is more than over-blown (none / 0) (#11)
    by esmense on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:39:25 PM EST
    so perhaps it's not worth commenting, but I can't help thinking not only that if this old, conservative Southern farmer had been a Republican with a gun the Right would be making a hero out of him, but also, frankly, that how you view that video may have more to do with age than partisanship.

    As an older person, no matter what Glenn Greenwald says, I just can't see these young men as victims in a tussle with a solitary man more than 3 times their age. (The congressman, for instance, clearly and quickly lets go of the young man who he has faced toward the camera when he is asked to.) To me, the clear and obvious intention of every action Etheridge takes is to control their actions against him and interrupt their filming, not to cause them physical harm.

    It's very likely that the fact that he was much older and outnumbered caused him to over-react -- and, because its obvious from the video that his intention wasn't to harm but merely to stop their filming, I think it is likely that he had no idea how forceful his actions actually appeared until he saw the video. Hence the apology.

    He may be a congressman, but he's also just a human being as likely to feel vulnerable and at a disadvantage as an older man being aggressively accousted on the street by two or more much younger men as anyone else. Political power doesn't offer you any special protection in such a situation.

    BBB (none / 0) (#36)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:15:55 PM EST
    Breitbart Brat Brigade.

    I don't like it when leftie 'journalists' get pushie (although I can't think of any videos off the top of my head) but the latest crop are a bunch of snotty little brats.

    Working on a 'project'..... didn't identify himself or claim to be a journalist.

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    Have fun. If you have time, check out (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:02:56 PM EST
    "Secrets of the Silk Road" at the Bowers Museum in Santa Ana.  Terrific cafe for lunch also.

    Bring your purple and yellow. (none / 0) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:04:24 PM EST


    Uh, purple and gold. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    I think I need a nap...

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    Jan Brewer: A Self Serving Pig (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:27:37 PM EST
    Another reason to detest Gov Jan Brewer:

    WASHINGTON -- Ronald Kempfert was a young boy in 1975 when his father was sent to prison for murder, and they had no contact for 28 years.

    Then, in 2003, Mr. Kempfert heard from a lawyer who had been looking into the case. "Your father is innocent," said the lawyer, Larry A. Hammond. "And we're pretty sure your mother framed him."

    That would seem a lot to digest, but Mr. Kempfert, 42, said he felt no hesitation. "My reaction was that it didn't surprise me," he said. "She's my mother, and I love her. But I think she's capable of anything."

    Mr. Kempfert is now certain that his father, William Macumber, is innocent. Arizona's clemency board, citing Mr. Kempfert's "very moving testimony" and saying there had been "a miscarriage of justice," unanimously recommended last year that Mr. Macumber be freed.

    But Mr. Macumber remains in prison, and Gov. Jan Brewer has refused to explain why.

    NYT

    WHAT??? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:28:51 PM EST
    Refused to say why???!!!

    But please, in the future, think... before libeling pigs.

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    Well, we all knew (none / 0) (#42)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:34:05 PM EST
    that Jan Brewer is a real.......never mind what I was going to say.  Just say "a real piece of work" and leave it at that.  Does she ever do anything even remotely humane?

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    HAVA failure in LA County (none / 0) (#43)
    by Lora on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:35:13 PM EST
    From the "You Can't Make This Stuff Up" file.
    Check it out.

    More On Afghan Mines (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 05:52:14 PM EST
    Bidding for the rights to explore the reserves could begin in as little as six months, said Jawad Omar, the spokesman for the Mines Ministry. The minister is expected to give a detailed news conference on the report later in the week....

    ..... It is a potential income source so vast that if it were tapped and the wealth handled in a way to benefit the whole population, the country could be transformed. It would also turn Afghanistan into a mining center.

    That would, however, require a substantial change in the country's circumstances, since many of the reserves were found in politically unstable areas, said Mr. Omar, the Mines Ministry spokesman.....

    "Mining needs studies, infrastructure and security in order to attract the investments," Mr. Omar said.

    NYT

    Greed and an enemy (the "Taliban"), two carrots for the people of Afghanistan to get behind the US war efforts.

    Greed has the edge, I think. (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 08:13:59 PM EST
    The Pac 16 (none / 0) (#50)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 06:02:14 PM EST
    looks to have died before it started and the Big 12 lives on only slightly smaller?

    It's all about the benjamins (none / 0) (#52)
    by Farmboy on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 06:23:11 PM EST
    Keeping the Big 12-2 together allows the Texas schools to get $20+ million a year in TV revenue. They might've received that much in the PAC, but staying where they are lets them continue being the biggest fish in the pond. Win-win for them.

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    If (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 06:43:53 PM EST
    the Big 10 now has 11 members, can the Big 12 now be the Big 10 or do they revert to being the Southwest Conference (a much better name)? Can't tell the conference without a program.

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    Big Ten has twelve (none / 0) (#55)
    by Raskolnikov on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 07:05:43 PM EST
    Already had eleven..insignia reflects that with a notch.

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    THE EARLY DAZE, part 11 (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dadler on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 07:08:18 PM EST
    Wow, Dadler (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 07:26:07 PM EST
    Great one.

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    I had nothing to do with this (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 09:46:26 AM EST
    Act of God (none / 0) (#71)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 11:49:37 AM EST
    JJesus struck down in an act of god.

    Wonder how insurance works with that sort of thing?


    I hope this is next (none / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 02:48:27 PM EST
    Doubt It (none / 0) (#75)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 03:29:58 PM EST
    I would bet that they rebuild. Hopefully god will strike it down again.... lol

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    BP Egg on Face (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 01:18:54 PM EST
    BP willfully ignored numerous warnings in an attempt to save $10 million here and there, and several days of time. And as a result, precisely what they were warned against happened, causing tens of billions of monetary damage and permanent environmental damage to the Gulf.

    emptywheel

    From the company's uncommon well design to its fatal decision not to circulate drilling mud, which could have cleared out pockets of gas, and the lack of critical testing, which could have pinpointed problems with its cementing, the company had many points at which it could have prevented an explosion, investigators with the House Energy and Commerce Committee have found.

    Instead, the company violated industry guidelines and proceeded "despite warnings from BP's own personnel and its contractors," said the chairman of the committee, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and the chairman of the investigative subcommittee that handled the probe, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich.

    McClacthy

    BP shut down - fire (none / 0) (#73)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 01:49:19 PM EST
    A fire caused by lightening forced BP to shut down pumping operations.  Hopefully they will be back up later today.

    Als curbed enthusiasm (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 03:59:26 PM EST
    for Tipper:

    Former Vice President Al Gore's surprise split with wife Tipper came as he was having an affair with Laurie David, his fellow environmentalist and ex-wife of Larry David, Star magazine reported Tuesday.


    Hmmmm... (none / 0) (#78)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 05:49:24 PM EST
    There is no truth to a tabloid story claiming Al Gore's marriage ended because of a two-year affair with producer Laurie David, her agent tells PEOPLE.


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    trying to (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 04:14:00 PM EST
    reconcile these two things I read today about China.

    China's Military Threatens America: `We Will Hurt You'

    In February, Colonel Meng Xianging promised a "hand-to-hand fight with the U.S." sometime within the next 10 years "when we're strong enough." "We must make them hurt," said Major-General Yang Yi this year, referring to the United States.

    Rent a White Guy
    Confessions of a fake businessman from Beijing

    And so I became a fake businessman in China, an often lucrative gig for underworked expatriates here. One friend, an American who works in film, was paid to represent a Canadian company and give a speech espousing a low-carbon future. Another was flown to Shanghai to act as a seasonal-gifts buyer. Recruiting fake businessmen is one way to create the image--particularly, the image of connection--that Chinese companies crave. My Chinese-language tutor, at first aghast about how much we were getting paid, put it this way: "Having foreigners in nice suits gives the company face."