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    Has anyone here ever tried (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:55:33 PM EST

    You first. (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:59:25 PM EST
    I had to try to make more grooming (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:15:53 PM EST
    room a few weeks back when I was a dogshow chairman.  I stomped into the grooming building, I was going to be tough, people were going to scoot over for others...and a dog groomer with scissors in hand has a chair in the middle of the walkway and a line of PEOPLE leading to it.  I refused to bust out laughing, it wouldn't have been right.  And if I lived on the road showing a pack of ungrateful rich people's dogs, who knows where I'd get my haircuts?

    There's a whole lotta grooming going on (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:53:16 AM EST
    This definitely seems (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:16:24 PM EST
    like a completely dumb idea.  Flowbee has been around awhile, but somebody must be buying it (at $69.95 + S&H).  There's a sucker born......

    My ex used to use one (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Joan in VA on Thu May 27, 2010 at 07:06:25 PM EST
    way back when. It did a good job, no mess and saved the expense of frequent trims at a time when we were on a tight budget. It didn't cost that much then though. If there's more than one male in the family, it would still pay for itself pretty quickly even at that price.

    Don't tell him I told you.


    Spamlet, now that you're leaving TL, (none / 0) (#50)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 05:41:28 AM EST
    where can we catch your act? FDL, Corrente, DK, Shakesville? And under what user name? I'm outta here too -- just tying up some loose ends now.

    Corrente (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Spamlet on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:51:43 PM EST
    Is "more thread" a good idea today? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:59:42 PM EST

    More like "more rope"? (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:04:10 PM EST
    The morning thread is pretty amusing, though.

    For a "Prosecutor" (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:11:12 PM EST
    And considering how much of soulless waste of skin you have to be to even be one, oculus wants us to be nice to each other and remember our manners and such things....all the damn time :) Satan is tricky though, hides where you least expect her.

    I gave up on the hope of everyone playing (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:16:29 PM EST
    nice long ago--at DK.  Just changed blogs.  Maybe I should just read Digby and Greenwald, as I never read the comments there.

    Don't go away (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:20:25 PM EST
    Just ignore the flash grenades :)  Close your eyes :)  If you do see it, it only blinds you for about five seconds :)

    Reminds me of the warnings before (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:22:39 PM EST
    live theatre performances:  during this performance there will be strobe lights, cigarette smoking (herbal), and (used to be a warning re: swearing.)

    Please don't go! (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by ruffian on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:05:21 PM EST
    I'd hate to think of this as one of those sites where I don't even want to read the comments, much less want to contribute myself.

    At least the organization of the site makes it easy to skip over stuff at will.


    Don't leave (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Raskolnikov on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:39:49 PM EST
    You're one of my favorite commentators, I know I'm not alone here.  We already lost one great voice of sanity in the last year due to inter-squabbling/exaggerated misunderstandings, it'd be a crying shame to lose another.  The squeaky stuff needs to get toned down, from both sides; this is a great site thats getting bogged down with the same old battles day in day out.  It's like an Israel/Palestine thing going on and its destroying the discourse that has made this site so great.  

    I don't comment that much, though I read everything that gets posted and all the comments, mostly because there are a number of great personalities and authoritative people that make this a rich discussion board with a great format, all provided by a couple of great hosts.  Lately its been worse than the primaries, which is a feat, and a shame.


    Like Israel/Palestine? (none / 0) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:18:51 AM EST
    Ras, what "voice of sanity" do you feel we lost this year at TL? I've got Bridget (sp?) in mind.

    This part of your comment is a bit confusing:

    The squeaky stuff needs to get toned down, from both sides; this is a great site thats getting bogged down with the same old battles day in day out. It's like an Israel/Palestine thing

    Are you suggesting that both sides are on an even playing field in Israel and Palestine -- or that both sides are 'equally at fault'.

    If that is what you're suggesting, Squeaky might be more than happy to inform you otherwise -- if his prior statements on the issue are any indication.


    would you please stop (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:49:23 AM EST
    making everything personal and about Squeaky? When I looked at the earlier thread today everyone's been complaining about, it was you that took the opening shot and made it personal. The responses were inappropriate as well and deleted, but you started it. Maybe you were still reacting to something that happened in an earlier thread, but no one just reading that thread would know it. Please let bygones be bygones and refrain from instigating and provoking comments you know will take the discussion to a personal and negative level.  

    For the record (3.85 / 7) (#48)
    by Spamlet on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:43:37 AM EST
    Things "got personal" on that thread when Squeaky attacked MT. Everything was fine until then. Here is the sequence:

    Ha ha (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    Helen Thomas stabs Obama between the eyes.  This is supposed to be a BP oil spill discussion Helen.  To hell with that though, let's talk about how we fight and die for nothing in Afghanistan and don't give her any Bushisms either :)  Obama talks about this topic much much easier and confidence reappears in his voice because he doesn't have to fake that he applied a robust response to THAT danger :)  Too funny, she's a great lady.

    Stabs Obama Between the Eyes? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:41:06 PM EST
    Well nice fantasy life you have. Your characterization of the exchange say more about your apparent violent hatred of Obama, than anything about Helen Thomas or Obama.

    In other words, business as usual--Freaky Squeaky picking a fight with one of the commenters he spends day and night stalking. It's a full-time job, as I discovered in my brief tenure as pipsqueak, tracking just two days of Squeaky's prodigious commenting output so pipsqueak could give every single one of Squeaky's comments a rating of 5.

    Call it performance art. Squeaky knows art, and he knows what he doesn't like. Squeaky doesn't like being stalked, and bullies don't like being laughed at. Crybaby.

    Anyway, who cares. I'm out of here. Squeaky is your problem now.


    That is totally uncalled for Jeralyn. (3.00 / 2) (#46)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:00:06 AM EST
    Now you are making inappropriate and unsubstantiated personal attacks on me. If there is anybody here who thinks I "started" what went on between Squeaky and everybody who was actually on that Thursday Morning Open Thread, I wish they would come forward. I, in no way "took the opening shot and made it personal" with Squeaky.

    You came to clean up the thread long after the fact and you have no sense of how it unfolded. As you said earlier, you don't read the threads unless somebody requests it and I doubt you have the time to read all the comments with equal care. If you had, there wouldn't still be comments wherein Squeaky basically accuses Military Tracy of wanting to murder Obama:  

    Stabs Obama Between the Eyes? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:41:06 PM EST
    Well nice fantasy life you have. Your characterization of the exchange say more about your apparent violent hatred of Obama, than anything about Helen Thomas or Obama. Video here...And the hilarious thing is that your bloody fantasy about Thomas stabbing Obama with killer instinct prowess, drips with dramatic irony, because you and Helen Thomas have opposite views about the Afghanistan war, and you and Obama are basically in agreement that the Taliban et al. are a threat to us and need to be wiped out. Thomas on the other hand wants troops out now, a sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with.

    We get that $hit from Squeaky day after bloody day, 60-70 comments worth of it. Tell me Jeralyn, what did I say that comes anywhere close to that?

    I responded to somebody else who had already suggested that multiple people may be writing under the name of Squeaky. But you have deleted those preceding comments. You also deleted my comment, the one that you said "started it" all. FWIW, this is what I said:

    Squeaky may be multiple people.. at least s/he has a mini-me named pipsqueak who showed up for the first time yesterday to give Squeaky a rating of 5 on 83 comments -- in one fell swoop.

    I basically outed pipsqueak for fu@k's sake. That's a hanging offense Jeralyn, really? Maybe it is you who is "still reacting to something that happened in an earlier thread". Like the Tuesday Night Open Thread, wherein you and I had words about the "inappropriateness" of me saying "Salazar is a pig on the environment". Well, Jeralyn, I said that, in part, because you have turned a blind eye to the BP Spill for the past month.

    FWIW: I can cite you a whole lot worse by other commenters, on any number of threads. People, who I respect, have called Obama a "stupid jerk" an "idiot"; and Arlen Specter "an evil old whore" -- today. Yet those commenters aren't getting a public, pants-down-spanking from you are they?

    Yet, for some reason you took notice of me and told me you didn't like the way I "put things" the first week I showed up here, two years ago, and you have bird-dogged me every since. You like to keep it tame at Talk Left Jeralyn -- and therein lies the rub.

    With some notable exceptions, too many TL commenters are following your play-it-safe lead. So, buh bye for keeps. I hope you and Squeaky are very happy together. You are losing it to Firedoglake, Corrente, and even the DailyKos. I see many people, who used to be here, are now posting there. Think about that.

    I just read your comment #40, and all I have to say to that is fu@k me running and I'm glad I didn't make more monetary contributions.


    No, nothing remotely resembling (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Sat May 29, 2010 at 08:32:15 AM EST
    that awful, demeaning "catty" stereotype ever goes on at this site..

    Thanks for your suport Jondee. Lol. (none / 0) (#78)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat May 29, 2010 at 01:00:13 PM EST
    Oh Well (none / 0) (#79)
    by squeaky on Sat May 29, 2010 at 02:17:21 PM EST
    Promises, promises...


    So, buh bye for keeps.

    Lol, lol. You wish, you wish, (none / 0) (#80)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat May 29, 2010 at 03:32:00 PM EST
    I kept my promises, promises, for keeps, for keeps. Lol, lol.

    I think Ras is referring to Steve M (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by ruffian on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:43:19 AM EST
    I miss him too.

    The thing is,I agree with a lot of what you say, and what Squeaky says, and of course Anne and just about everyone else. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement on the issues, but I do get tired of the vitriol.

    Often I would like to agree with the substantive part of a post, but am not going to if it also insults someone or pushes the same old 'see I told you this would happen' line, on either side. I am no more likely to climb on that bandwagon than I was to line up for the kool-aid in 2008.


    amen (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by CST on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:50:45 AM EST
    I enjoy banter with those i disagree with and agree with, you learn something new and fine tune your arguments.

    I think if people could learn to recognize when things are getting out of hand and just walk away it would be easier.

    I know we are all passionate about these issues, but sometimes it's ok to let someone else have the last word.  Even if it is a bit nasty.  Especially when it's nasty because then you stop it from escalating.  That's the point when I just learn to skim/skip.  Because the conversation has become irrelevant.


    But (3.00 / 2) (#28)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:17:45 PM EST
    What about BTD? Oh, that's right, he is going lite until Kagan conformations..

    see you later...



    I'll add my name to the list (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by jbindc on Fri May 28, 2010 at 09:49:46 AM EST
    Spamlet don't go!

    Add me (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by sj on Fri May 28, 2010 at 11:09:35 AM EST
    to the list of those hoping you'll stay.

    The Thursday Morning Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 11:57:14 PM EST
    looks different now.

    Jeralyn left a good comment #201, which reads in part:

    No one needs to leave here for fear of being personally attacked. If it's brought to my attention, I'll take care of it. Feel free to disagree with each others comments, but please avoid the attacks...you can report a nasty comment by sending me an e-mail. I never publish who complained.

    Jeralyn deleted "9 personal insults"; although one may find that there are still other equally insulting personal comments on the thread -- in which case one could email Jeralyn to request deletion.


    what thread do I need to read (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:15:06 PM EST
    and clean? Sounds like some people got out of hand today.

    Everybody but Squeaky - aka DeepPockets. (2.33 / 3) (#47)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:23:22 AM EST
    figured it out, never mind (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:41:54 PM EST
    I just cleaned up the Thursday morning thread and left a message for Pipsqueak (who is not Squeaky)and everyone else. Since that thread is closed, you can respond here if you want to.

    I agree, Oculus is a great commenter.


    No, pipsqueak is not squeaky (3.40 / 5) (#31)
    by pipsqueak on Thu May 27, 2010 at 11:09:04 PM EST
    But it is interesting that a bit of satire directed squeaky's way seems to have mellowed his/her habitual attack mode, at least for part of a day. Bullies do tend to wilt when given a dose of their own medicine. In this case, the dose was deliciously unexceptionable, if I do say so myself, taking the form of high praise, if mechanically offered.

    On a more serious note, Jeralyn, you must realize that squeaky is dragging down the level of discourse on your otherwise wonderful site. It's embarrassing. This unfortunate fact has been noted on other sites as well, where there is even speculation about bribery. Personally, I don't believe that squeaky or anyone else has bought you off, but others do believe it, and they believe it because the behavior of one dysfunctional commenter is allowed to run rampant, for whatever reason. In short, squeaky is damaging your brand.

    Thank you for TalkLeft. I will now withdraw as a commenter, although I will continue to read your posts and may also continue to read the comments, or at least those comment threads that squeaky hasn't hijacked with his/her compulsive demonstrations of belligerence.

    With warm regards and all best wishes,


    No bribery (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:38:25 AM EST
    People said the same about JimakaPPJ who always sent me small donations when I asked readers to contribute. Goes with the territory. Squeaky has been generous, but I call him out and delete his comments that are inappropriate when pointed out to me, and iPad or no IPad, I'll continue to do so.

    I never hesitate to write him an email when he's over the top and he always apologizes and ceases -- until someone else pushes his buttons too far.

    I tend to agree with the substance of a lot of his comments. But it's the tone that matters most. If he's violating comment rules, his comments will be deleted just like everyone elses, including JimakaPPJ, who has probably had more comments deleted for hijacking threads and taking things to a personal level than anyone except Dark Avenger who refused to listen and is gone.

    Except for comments on posts I write about a specific crime topic (and which usually generate very few comments) I rarely read the comments threads on a regular basis. After 8 years, given our generally small but regular group of commenters, I figure everyone knows and follows the rules.  If no one points it out to me, and I don't know about it, I obviously can't act on it.  

    As to what people write on other sites about TL or me, I don't haven't seen or care to see those comments either. And I suspect those are sites that always find something to criticize about me or TL. Two years ago, it was probably for backing Obama in the election. Last year it might have been for tolerating JimakaPPJ. A few months ago it might have been about Captain Howdy's prolific one sentence comments. This month it's about Squeaky. Next month they will find something else.

    This is a hobby, not a job. Sometimes I have a lot of time to spend on the blog, other times barely any. After 8 years, it ebbs and flows. People come and go.

    I want the tone to remain civil. And I expect the pro-prosecution, pro-victim crowd to not clutter up my posts with predictable, repetitive comments that disrespect the mission of the site. When I see the first comment in every such thread is by the same commenter who always takes an anti-defendant stance, I take that as nothing but an attempt to annoy and harass. (If s/he at least waited until the 5th comment, it wouldn't be so bad, but this commenter has to be first all the time.)

    Everyone has a choice of where to comment. I appreciate all who take the time to comment here. I also realize that commenters have formed bonds with each other and many continue to comment here not because of what I write, but because they want to interact with each other. That's fine, and I am proud to have created a place that can be called a community of sorts. At the same time, those who post because of an agenda that is at odds with this site, or simply to annoy,  will face limited tolerance. And those that violate the rules, regardless of what they have donated or contributed dollar-wise or merchandise-wise, will be banned or asked to leave when it's brought to my attention.

    Hope this answers your concerns.


    make that (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:41:56 AM EST
    And those that violate the rules, regardless of what they have donated or contributed dollar-wise or merchandise-wise, will have their offensive comments deleted, be banned or asked to leave when it's brought to my attention.

    See, you almost said the right thing the (1.00 / 1) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:56:50 AM EST
    first time.

    Sybil (2.33 / 3) (#32)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 11:37:02 PM EST
    Your terrorist actions, are irrelevant to me. You may have gotten your friends to point out that I have a stalker, or that I may have taken on another screen name in order to boost my ratings, but I have never looked at any of your ratings of me as pipsqueak.

    You have made several personal attacks on me which include a mentally ill diagnosis.

    If anyone has a problem, mentally it would be you. You clearly appear to be obsessed over me. How many screen names have you invented for the sole purpose of harassing me?

    Sick, imo, very sick....


    really, stop with the terrorist thing (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by sj on Fri May 28, 2010 at 11:12:48 AM EST
    Ask Jeralyn if you want to know (none / 0) (#34)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:04:33 AM EST
    how many names pipsqueak has assumed -- she can tell from the IP address.

    Why? (3.00 / 2) (#35)
    by squeaky on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:08:32 AM EST
    When I can ask spamlet, the perpetrator who just offered a mea culpa of sorts...

    Unless you know, and if so pray tell..


    I don't have the IP addresses, Jeralyn does. (none / 0) (#37)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:22:20 AM EST
    OK (3.00 / 2) (#38)
    by squeaky on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:25:09 AM EST
    Well ask her about it and get back to me.

    OK (none / 0) (#39)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:36:39 AM EST
    I could never assume (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 01:40:03 PM EST
    another identity.  my typing and grammar would be recognized instantly.

    Oculus, that's a pretty subtle tip-off to (none / 0) (#51)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 28, 2010 at 05:44:34 AM EST
    the boss lady -- and what a $hit storm it triggered.

    jSorry I made that comment. (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by oculus on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:39:45 PM EST
    The culprit escaped.

    Really! (3.00 / 2) (#66)
    by The Addams Family on Fri May 28, 2010 at 01:30:40 PM EST
    This will now get really ugly with the locals (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:01:58 PM EST
    Right after Allen announces that top kill is working (but doesn't acknowledge they quit at midnight last night) and that no more hydrocarbons are leaking into the gulf, the NY Times says this

    BP temporarily stopped pumping drilling fluid into its stricken oil well late Wednesday after engineers saw that too much of the fluid was escaping along with the leaking crude oil.

    This whole operation (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by nycstray on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:16:58 PM EST
    is about as transparent as the leaking crude.

    Matlin and Carville (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:23:34 PM EST
    are now standing on the LA coast giving a CNN interview in which both are saying that the President was dishonest today about the clean up response.  Matlin says she sees nobody there to clean up, there is no grand response.  Her husband agrees with her fully, they have the same nose too.

    Carville is getting really really riled up now (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:23:58 PM EST
    Another perspective on the press conference (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jbindc on Fri May 28, 2010 at 09:53:15 AM EST
    The WaPo didn't like it. I think the tide is turning with the press corp (if you will excuse the pun).

    A defensive President Obama sought Thursday to quell doubts about his handling of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, insisting that his administration has been "in charge" from the moment it began and bristling that critics who accuse it of being sluggish to react "don't know the facts."

    But at times during a 63-minute news conference in the East Room of the White House, the president seemed to undercut his own argument. He enumerated a litany of fumbles and lapses: that the government lacks resources and "superior technology" to respond to the disaster; that he personally had assumed oil companies "had their act together when it came to worst-case scenarios"; that his administration "fell short" with its acceptance of BP's inaccurate estimate of the size of the gusher; that reforms of the corruption-plagued government agency that oversees offshore drilling "weren't happening fast enough."

    At one point, Obama said he did not know whether Elizabeth Birnbaum -- the director of the Minerals Management Service he blamed for allowing the oil industry to overrule environmental and safety concerns -- had resigned or been fired hours before.

    The news conference marked a sharp departure in tone from the first days after an oil rig explosion caused the spill, when the White House seemed determined to fix the blame and keep the public outrage directed at the oil company involved. "In case you were wondering who's responsible, I take responsibility," Obama said Thursday. "It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down."

    This is the familiar Obama: resolute and in charge. But six weeks after the spill began, those words seemed to highlight the difficulty he has had in convincing the country that he is on top of the situation. As oil continues to foul the gulf, the conflicting signals coming from the president and his team have imperiled his reputation for competence and coolness in the face of crisis.

    How the heck does he not know if the MMS resigned or was fired?????


    Link (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by jbindc on Fri May 28, 2010 at 09:54:11 AM EST
    To whom shall I complain. Pads beat (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:05:28 PM EST
    Cards the last two games, each game a 1-0 final score.  But today's game is not on cable TV, just radio.  We've been robbed, I tell you.  Actually the day games aren't telecast.

    Your complaint is falling on deaf ears (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    here in MO.

    Please let me know when Cards' mgt. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:24:57 PM EST
    puts McGuire's statue outside Busch Stadium.

    Last I heard it was in an undisclosed (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:34:51 PM EST
    location. Wonder if it is the same place that Bush disappeared to right after 9/11.

    And on deaf ears (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:48:15 PM EST
    to those of us who may live outside of MO now, but who were born and raised in the St. Louis area and still retain a fierce loyalty to the Cards.  ;-)

    I hear tell... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:48:30 PM EST
    ...there's this fancy new thing called the interwebs or somesuch.  Anyhoo, I'm told you can watch pretty much anything on it--for a small fee (that's the American way, you know).  

    But as a real American from the Heartland where all true patriots are raised, you probably already knew that.

    P.S.  The Fathers are down a run.


    Even worse (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Thu May 27, 2010 at 07:23:12 PM EST
    The Pads are breaking out some 30 year old throwbacks tonight

    The ones on the far right


    Blue Dog suicide brigade (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:16:24 PM EST
    The economic relief bill, which is the centerpiece of the second, smaller stimulus now before Congress, appears to be collapsing.  The bill had already been trimmed back to try and win enough votes to pass the House, but now the Blue Dogs are even balking at the trimmed back bill.  As such, a vote is no longer likely to take place today. link

    While their demise is to be cheered in November, they will harm a lot of real folks with their actions.

    OH ! (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by ZtoA on Thu May 27, 2010 at 07:44:52 PM EST
    Just read this on OilDrum about the composition of the heavy drilling mud. Have not verified it on other sites (partly because I'm sort of inexperienced with traveling around drilling sites). But, I DO work with 70% of those heavy metals. Figures the "heavy" "mud" is partly or largely heavy metals. Heavy metals are extremely toxic. I know that after a human is exposed (via ingestion or thru skin contact) heavy metals are not easily expelled. They hang out on nerve fibers, so blood circulation does not grab them easily. They CAN be chelated out tho - but it is a process. Think - lead poisoning (lead is one of the heavy mud ingredients in SOLTEX). I hesitate to comment this since I don't know if they are using a product like SOLTEX for certain. If they are then - let me understate - this blows.

    sorry just deleted the comment (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 28, 2010 at 12:43:55 AM EST
    of your's after this that linked to an inappropriate picture. Please don't do that. Thanks.

    "inappropriate" "picture" ? (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 28, 2010 at 02:18:45 AM EST
    anti war painting is what it was. Whatever. Guess whoever is in charge gets to try to define art. (altho it was a very direct challenge and critique of Bush). But since things have not changed I guess that "picture" is still a threat. One can be well hung but some breasts against endless war is another thing.

    ok this is good (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:22:54 AM EST
    the guy who dumped the lab, and then wouldnt even return the phone calls of the guy who gave her to me when he realized he could not keep her because she blew through his electric fence without even noticing, just called to set up a "visiting schedule" for his kids.

    um, no.  sorry.  you want the dog.  keep the dog.  you want me to keep the dog you keep your kids.  if they want to visit once to say goodbye fine but my life does not allow for a "visiting schedule".

    does this make me a bad person?

    I don't think so... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by kdog on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:45:02 AM EST
    I think the guy has some pair to even ask.

    thank you (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:48:40 AM EST
    I dont like the idea of keeping kids away from dogs but really.

    As long as you offered him... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by kdog on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:51:26 AM EST
    the dog back, I think your karma is safe my man.

    Right On (none / 0) (#70)
    by squeaky on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:37:36 PM EST
    People like to have it both ways. I have been in the same position, where I wind up with the dog, but am expected to grant "friends" of the dog visiting rights, whenever they miss him.

    Basically the guy should keep the dog or not. Daycare shouldn't have to come with saving a dog's life. Amazing, nerve, of the guy, imo.

    But then again, it may be interesting to check out the kids, they may be cool, and add quality to your life, on your terms only, that is.


    not really a "kid person" (none / 0) (#71)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:42:51 PM EST
    I tend to frighten them even when I try not to.

    Well Then (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:44:34 PM EST
    F'em. The dog is lucky to have you. And the kids can scream at their father until he gets them another pet.

    RIP (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    Gary Coleman

    poor little runt.

    I read more than comment (4.00 / 4) (#65)
    by The Addams Family on Fri May 28, 2010 at 01:29:25 PM EST
    but just want to say how much I have appreciated FoxholeAtheist's comments and great information about the BP disaster. Thank you, FA. Guess TL has its own kind of "oil spill" . . . too bad.

    I'm just catching up on this (none / 0) (#74)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 28, 2010 at 05:09:38 PM EST
    really strange thread and want to add that FoxholeAtheist's comments have been for the most part very measured. Everyone is really on edge about some issues and a bit of acceptance of others' style is in order. We all live on the same island. Fox (and several others) has provided incredibly good information and has - for me personally - opened doors of perception. Can't ask more from a blog.

    Some would prefer (3.00 / 2) (#75)
    by jbindc on Fri May 28, 2010 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    An echo chamber.  Differing opinions or interpretations are met with hostility and in some cases, idiocy.

    More Sestak (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Fri May 28, 2010 at 10:42:02 AM EST
    Jonathan Adler at Volokh has a good take on the Sestak situation:

    The initial White House response was to deny that Sestak was ever offered a job, yet Sestak stuck to his story.  So someone was lying.  After a week or so of Administration officials saying nothing more than there nothing "inappropriate" occurred, the President has now promised an "official" response.  Oddly, the President insists that "nothing improper" happened, but is unable (or unwilling) to provide the details -- details he should have at his command if he is in a position to assure the press that "nothing improper" occurred.

    In the meantime, the Washington Post reports Sestak's brother (and campaign counsel) has recently met with White House folks about the allegations and the planned White House response.  What's the point of this if not to make sure everyone gets their stories straight so the issue will go away.  This sort of thing only strengthens Senate Republicans' demand for a special prosecutor.  (Of course, one wonders why Sestak told reporters about his brother's contacts with the White House.  Doesn't he know when to shut up?  Or does he have it in for someone in the White House?)

    Greg Sargent has a Clinton angle to the story:

    According to the sources, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel asked Clinton and his longtime adviser, lawyer Doug Band, to talk to Sestak about the race. It's unclear right now whether the White House will say that Clinton was asked to suggest specific administration positions for Sestak, whether Clinton floated positions on his own, whether Clinton discussed other options not related to the adminstration, or whether employment even came up at all in the talks.

    But the news that Clinton is at the center of this whole story is noteworthy on its own because of the former president's stature, and underscores how heavily invested the White House was in dissuading Sestak from running. The White House sent Clinton to talk to Sestak because Arlen Specter, constituting the 60th Dem vote in the Senate, was viewed as key to enacting Obama's agenda.

    The White House maintains that Clinton's overtures to Sestak merely constituted an effort to gauge his seriousness about the race, the sources say, adding that Clinton was informally discussing the range of options open to Sestak as part of a larger conversation meant to ascertain Sestak's thinking.

    god the french are so cool (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 28, 2010 at 03:11:27 PM EST
    Carla Bruni Asks for  . . . . .

    sorry you just have to click.