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Thursday Morning Open Thread

I'm still in a busy period but next week will be better.

However, my free time will be devoted to a relaunch of SportsLeft to coincide with the World Cup, the NBA Finals and Wimbledon. I also will be doing some previewing of the Tour de France

The next big political event for me will be the Kagan hearings, scheduled to begin June 28. For me at least (not sure how J is doing schedule wise), political blogging will be light until then.

Open Thread.

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    Ha ha (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    Helen Thomas stabs Obama between the eyes.  This is supposed to be a BP oil spill discussion Helen.  To hell with that though, let's talk about how we fight and die for nothing in Afghanistan and don't give her any Bushisms either :)  Obama talks about this topic much much easier and confidence reappears in his voice because he doesn't have to fake that he applied a robust response to THAT danger :)  Too funny, she's a great lady.

    I wish we could clone her... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:42:29 PM EST
    and fill the press room with nothing but Helen Thomas.

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    That is where bad Presidents go (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:47:29 PM EST
    when they die :)

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    Love that Helen too, but somebody needs to (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    ask Obama about this, ASAP: Gulf Oil Spill: Scientists Discover Massive New Sea Oil Plume:
    The thick plume [3,300 feet thick] was detected just beneath the surface down to about 3,300 feet, and is more than 6 miles wide, stretching 22 miles long, from the leaking wellhead northeast toward Mobile Bay, Alabama.

    The first such plume detected by scientists stretched from the well southwest toward the open sea, but this new undersea oil cloud is headed miles inland into shallower waters where many fish and other species reproduce.

    Hollander said the oil they detected  has dissolved into the water, and is no longer visible, leading to fears from researchers that the toxicity from the oil and dispersants could pose a big danger to filter feeders such as sperm whales, and fish larvae.

    *Pardon my SHRILL use of emphasis throughout.

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    If only we could illustrate... (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:20:50 PM EST
    how the spill is harmful to a 2 year olds Sumatran's lungs, I think it would spark the outrage you seek Foxhole.

    People seem more worked up about that wonder-child than the devastation of the entire Gulf.  Bukowski sure did nail it in "The Shoelace"...I tell ya.

    it's not the large things that
    send a man to the
    madhouse. death he's ready for, or
    murder, incest, robbery, fire, flood...
    no, it's the continuing series of small tragedies
    that send a man to the
    madhouse...
    not the death of his love
    but a shoelace that snaps
    with no time left ...


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    That's a gorgeous comment Kdog, (none / 0) (#34)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:40:21 PM EST
    Why thank you... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:46:46 PM EST
    but all credit goes to the genius degenerate...make sure you read the whole poem, it's my all-time fav by Hank.


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    Modesty becomes you, Kdog. (none / 0) (#46)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:52:25 PM EST
    But, you have to take credit for this insight, which is entirely yours:
    If only we could illustrate how the spill is harmful to a 2 year olds Sumatran's lungs, I think it would spark the outrage...


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    What can I say... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:07:57 PM EST
    the man's words taught me well:)

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    Air kisses all around :-) (none / 0) (#66)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:22:10 PM EST
    Seems like "our energy resources" (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:49:17 PM EST
    are just going on ahead and wasting themselves this time -- without waiting around for the sleepwalking multitude in this country to do it over extended period of time..

    Look out kid, it's somethin' that you did..  

    Parent

    Sirota also has a jaw-dropper article about: Laying Bare the Hilarious Myth of `The Left's' Power, from May 21/10:
    In the Obama era, the "The Left's" destructive, party-over-principles motivation has become impossible to hide, especially recently.

    Behold, for instance, major environmental groups' attitude toward the Gulf oil spill.

    We know that before the disaster, Obama recklessly pushed to expand offshore drilling. We also know that his Interior Department gave British Petroleum's rig a "categorical exclusion" from environmental scrutiny and, according to The New York Times, "gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf without first getting required (environmental) permits." Worse, we know that after the spill, the same Interior Department kept issuing "categorical exclusions" for new Gulf oil operations, and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar still refuses "to rule out continued use of categorical exclusions," as the Denver Post reported (heckuva job, Kenny!).

    Undoubtedly, had this been the behavior of a Republican administration, "The Left's" big environmental organizations would be scheduling D.C. protests and calling for firings, if not criminal charges. Yet somehow, there are no protests. Somehow, there have been almost no calls for the resignation of Salazar, who oversaw this disaster and who, before that, took $323,000 in campaign contributions from energy interests and backed more offshore drilling as a U.S. senator. Somehow, facing environmental apocalypse, there has been mostly silence from "The Left."

    Here's a link to Sirota's Petition Calling for Salazar's Resignation.

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    Stabs Obama Between the Eyes? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:41:06 PM EST
    Well nice fantasy life you have. Your characterization of the exchange say more about your apparent violent hatred of Obama, than anything about Helen Thomas or Obama. Video here...

    And the hilarious thing is that your bloody fantasy about Thomas stabbing Obama with killer instinct prowess, drips with dramatic irony, because you and Helen Thomas have opposite views about the Afghanistan war, and you and Obama are basically in agreement that the Taliban et al. are a threat to us and need to be wiped out.

    Thomas on the other hand wants troops out now, a sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with.

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    My violent hatred of Obama? (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:47:44 PM EST
    He is the best CIC I've ever gotten a paycheck from.  Your interpretations are what is scary.  Are you really really sure about not being a multiple person?  I took that cliche about being stabbed in the back and did something cerebral with it, and you have your own interpretations as always.  Free country, and if I were one of you I would put a restraining order on me.

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    Maybe you'd best take up smoking again. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:53:47 PM EST
    Now why would I do that? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:00:42 PM EST
    I think I'm safe unless squeaky (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:03:14 PM EST
    can have me renditioned and tried by a military tribunal based on the squeaky toy murder video :)  I don't care which squeaky has the most authority, I refuse to believe that any of them have THAT MUCH authority :)

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    I think you're pretty safe, too, MT (none / 0) (#186)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:46:19 PM EST
    But who knows?  Maybe she/he has access to "the comfy chair."   ;-)

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    My Interpretation? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:06:14 PM EST
    I did not write anything about Thomas stabbing Obama between the eyes, you did. As far as riffing on the cliche "stabbing in the back", wow that is pretty obscure, certainly not the visual or metaphorical connection I would draw from your fantasy.

    I did not interpret anything, other than point out that your sentiment towards Obama appears to be bloody and violent, yet you support his position and are opposed to Thomas' position on the Afghanistan war. Strange disconnect...  must be frustration about the BP oil spill, and Obama's inability to stop the worlds worst oil well leak. Certainly I will give you credit for supporting the only WH correspondent who actually asks questions, even though disagree with her war position.

    And, yeah, the best CIC you ever got a paycheck from, well that is probably true.

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    yadda yadda yadda (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:08:27 PM EST
    Got three years of Clinton paychecks too (5.00 / 6) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:14:41 PM EST
    Not that you would understand the sort of dedication any of that represents or the roundedness it requires, or the flexibility and tolerance required, or the overall accountability for self at the end of the day.

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    you know (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:14:41 PM EST
    I dont think its the worst oil leak.  I thought so until last night.  check out the Maddow link below.
    in the 70s there was an almost identical incident but it went on for months.

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    They are calling it the worst (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by nycstray on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:17:57 PM EST
    US leak/spill. The 79 one was a Mexican rig. Of course, they have to keep revising the barrels spilled, so stay tuned . . .

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:21:38 PM EST
    As far as I can tell the leak has not stopped as of yet..

    I am aware of the 10 largest oil spills we know of, and I was projecting that this leak will surpass the one you mention.

    In any case, my hyperbolic point was meant to put this disaster into some perspective. It is not either clear or obvious how to stop the leak, even though everyone here seems to think that were they, or someone smarter than Obama, in charge, this disaster would have been quelled on April 21, or would have never happened.

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    Who thinks that? (none / 0) (#68)
    by nycstray on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:28:12 PM EST
    I will say, from what we've seen/they've shown, the containment efforts haven't come across as all they could be, imo. The actual leak is a whole 'nother issue . . . that should have been dealt with before they drilled.

    The PC was interesting today. Not sure how well it reflects on the admin though . . .

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    Hydrocarbons are no longer (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:12:05 PM EST
    leaking into the gulf via the Macondo wellhead.  It would appear that top kill is working.  Now if it is stable enough to pour cement into we are golden.

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    MT #114 (none / 0) (#167)
    by ZtoA on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:03:26 PM EST
    I think it is just a bit early to exhale. Hope so soon! But this is a complicated procedure and not easy to say success or failure just yet. Some doubts...

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    and the really amazing part (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:15:53 PM EST
    as she point out is that the methods for stopping a leak have not changed at all.  they have only succeeded in being able to do it deeper and deeper.
    the one in the 70s was in 200 feet of water.

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:17:06 PM EST
    The amount of oil is at least four times as much in the gulf and that is a very very conservative estimate at this time based on what we suspect is actually out there.  It has only begun to wash up.  We aren't even 1% through the coastline damage.

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    The funniest part ... (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by Yman on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:11:27 PM EST
    ... Your characterization of the exchange say more about your apparent violent hatred of Obama ...

    ... the hilarious thing is that your bloody fantasy about Thomas stabbing Obama with killer instinct prowess, drips with dramatic irony

    ... is that she might actually believe the stuff she comes up with.


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    That is funny (none / 0) (#81)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:06:02 PM EST
    Thanks for that link. Bad doggie!

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    Sheesh (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:00:07 PM EST
    Yes, MT supports President Obama's actions in Afghanistan, and yes, MT appreciates Helen Thomas's adroitness in confronting the president on an issue over which they disagree.

    MT has an abundance of something--tolerance of ambiguity--in which you are famously deficient.

    Theodor Adorno said it best:

    Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality.


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    Philosopher AND musicologist, (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:09:16 PM EST
    per Wiki.

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    Ambiguity.. (2.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:13:17 PM EST
    is that anything like that yes! no! yes! no! yeeees! stuff you were doing on yesterday's thread? :)

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    No (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:14:26 PM EST
    That would be ambidexterity.

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    Not to me (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:22:03 PM EST
    I think it's an expression of ambiguity in the cthonian realm..(I've been waiting to use that word for five years)

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    "chthonian" (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:26:49 PM EST
    Truly the word from hell (none / 0) (#95)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:28:48 PM EST
    is that of (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:30:33 PM EST
    or about cthulhu

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    Lovecraft? (none / 0) (#104)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:51:00 PM EST
    not directly, but related on some level, Im sure..

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    Why, yes. see Eurydice and Orpheus. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:53:19 PM EST
    this is (none / 0) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:18:38 PM EST
    no giant beavers (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:23:47 PM EST
    rampaging through Albany?

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    Pa-a-a-a-a-a-a-t! (none / 0) (#91)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:25:17 PM EST
    Joy and Woe (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:47:36 PM EST
    are woven fine, a clothing for the Soul Divine..

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    Speaking of ambiguity (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:29:06 PM EST
    the Afghan mission is about to become a lot clearer as far as if it is a cause worth the lives.  There was always the distraction and the depletion of resources that Iraq brought about.  It always kept Afghanistan on the back burner, that ambiguous problem that was all Bush's fault.  The Iraq mission is winding down, and we have now crossed the threshold where we have more U.S. troops in Afghanistan than in Iraq.  This isn't even counting our contractor footprint either, which is substantial.  The cards are all just about on the table.  Every hand played is at full participation with a full audience.  And people like me will either have our notions realized or we will discover that we supported and lobbied for our troops to be sent to Afghanistan and die for nothing (though my husband says that no U.S. soldier ever dies for nothing in the volunteer military) and some will have suffered in Afghanistan and will suffer upon our getting whipped and dragging them into this.  As Jim has often said though, be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.  Even McChrystal calls it a draw at this point.  If I'm wrong it won't be fun.

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    I hear (none / 0) (#152)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:47:53 PM EST
    Kabul is pretty safe these days, but you don't want to be getting into traffic jams in the south.

    Either way, they have some serious infrastructure rebuilding in the works.

    And war is one of those things where regardless whether you are right or wrong, it's not fun.  Do you think they will try to broker a peace with the Taliban?

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    Sounds like it (none / 0) (#162)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:59:07 PM EST
    There are a lot of mixed feelings all over the place about it.  It can be hard for soldiers to even want to entertain the idea after witnessing certain Taliban brutalities, but the leadership is taking a serious look.  I take that to mean that some factions are a shoo-in.

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    Helen Thomas, my hero (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Brookhaven on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:36:24 PM EST
    When Helen said Bushisms I for a moment thought she said ".......and, don't give me any Bull...t" My eyes were watering and then my ears registered the actual word.  LOL.  Too bad.  Either word would have been appropriate although come to think of it they are interchangeable.

    The mold was broke when Helen came into the world.  It's been great having her there in the WH Press Room. After watching her chase down Steven Colbert at 2006's White House Press Association Dinner, she's not only a great reporter she doesn't let any of them get away with their poo.  I bow down to no one but I gladly do so for Ms. Helen Thomas.  

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    Yeah, but didn't Obama arrange (none / 0) (#145)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:41:03 PM EST
    to have HT returned to her (rightful) place in the front row?

    Of course, that's meant only one front-row appearance for her in the past 10 months, given this was Obama's first wide-open presser in all that time.

    Hmm, no wonder there was a little edge to her question today ...

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    Yeah but (5.00 / 4) (#151)
    by Emma on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:47:18 PM EST
    10 months is like 2 1/2 days in the 11th dimension.  Give the guy a break, already.

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    Sweet Jeezus (5.00 / 3) (#175)
    by jes on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:22:16 PM EST
    this was the funniest thread I've can recall reading here in some time. I wonder if a new hall monitor is going to need to be appointed!  

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    Are you implying there has been (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:30:40 PM EST
    a hall monitor in the absence of J and/or BTD?

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    I'm just harking back to the days (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by jes on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:36:39 PM EST
    when we did have such a hall monitor during the primary wars - which this thread brought up fond memories of - when the chattering rule was in effect for "new" users...

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    That was pretty funny (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:48:55 PM EST
    Oh Sweet Jesus (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:46:50 PM EST
    we are only at the beginning of the oil that is going to wash up and destroy and he can't stop talking about future oil productions.  I never ever ever thought Obama was a stoopid man about the human condition, but he IS.  There is video tape of this you stupid idiot that now lives out there in the tubes when real hell hits the beaches.  I'm going to chalk this up to smoking.  When I smoked, I used it to give my emotions a false equalibrium.  And it can make smokers seem composed and less stress prone, but smokers don't have appropriate responses to real problems or dangers either.  I learned that after I quit and I couldn't stand any of my old friends and they couldn't stand me.  I did stuff today, they had a cigarette and thought about it some more and some more.

    The Gulf is going to be affected (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:53:21 PM EST
    in a bad way he says.  It takes him three times as long to think his way through this sentence.  Then I get another Malia story.  This is not Malia story time Mr. President.  And now he admits he might not think that LA residents responses are FAIR.  Oh Jesus, this just gets worse and worse and worse!  

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    MT, kudos for Bringing the Shrill to the Spill! (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:23:56 PM EST
    Why do you think some other TLers aren't bringing it quite so 'robustly'?

    For once, I don't have a theory meself.

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    There hasn't been a lot of (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:36:34 PM EST
    media coverage of the devastation for people to relate meaningfully to.  I think it is hard to put into personal understandable frames and terms.  Easier for me because the gulf is part of our lives here.  I don't think I would "get it" like I do if I still lived in Colorado.  I wouldn't get local LA news either.  If this thing was hitting the Eastern shoreline or California...whew....lookout.  On the Gulf we are sadly more accustomed to our drill baby drill proponents running our lives too. Thank the Gods Green Peace is here raising hell, too many people can't because then they will be sniveling hypocrites.

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    That sounds about right, MT. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:46:37 PM EST
    Although, at other times, plenty of us have been very vocal about other events that are hidden from view and happening far away. Like Chernobyl.

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    The President's allegedly sure-footed (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:54:39 PM EST
    political skill/vs. the Emperor has no clothes?  Oh, wait.  That's for others to say.

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    No, he's a pretty (none / 0) (#100)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:43:40 PM EST
    snappy dresser, actually.  Rather, it would be more like "the clothes have no emperor."

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    i.e., Maureen Dowd's (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:55:25 PM EST
    "an electable suit."

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#110)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:04:13 PM EST
    Yes, exactly.  

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    Obama is really bad (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:11:17 PM EST
    at getting angry.  He needs to practice his "Biden shut the f up" face and use it.

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    Most recent prez's have (none / 0) (#161)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:58:48 PM EST
    been bad at projecting anger -- or at least that's how they're perceived by the MSM.  Reagan, natch, The Teflon President, was the only one who could get away with it.

    The others, especially Dems like Clinton and Carter, were almost considered Nixonesque unhinged when they got miffed in public.

    Otoh, you might want to check out Jimmy Carter's "malaise" speech for unintended examples of hilariously forced and rehearsed "anger" -- as if he'd just been briefed about how to show it in a tv speech by media handler Jerry Rafshoon, then had "Pound Fist on Desk" inserted in the teleprompter.  It's nearly Pat Paulson goofy as the faux pounding seems to lack the sincerity and energy to match the words.  

    Of course, JC in 1979 did have a good point about the energy crisis ...

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    Specter votes for the Feingold Afgh amdn (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by andgarden on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:00:06 PM EST
    after the primary. With that, I'm not predicting any further trouble from him. He'll be a reliable vote for the rest of his term.

    Good (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    Behave Arlen!

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    One of 18 brave souls (none / 0) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:08:32 PM EST
    We can afford never ending wars but domestic spending is breaking the bank.

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    My first thought when I heard the (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:11:32 PM EST
    feds will send National Guard to U.S./Mexico border.  Thought we were broke!

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    The fed must be like... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:32:45 PM EST
    the MTA...two sets of books...one for one when people need help (the broke book), and one for when people must be punished (the flush book).

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    Typical of the current Dems (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:42:50 PM EST
    House Democratic leaders spent much of Wednesday trying to figure out ways to pare back the measure to attract enough votes for a bill that is chock-full of provisions Democrats would typically embrace -- extended jobless pay, health insurance subsidies for the unemployed, a summer jobs program and a tax increase on wealthy investors.

    "We have put together a wonderful bill, and every piece in it can be justified as good public policy," said Representative Gerald E. Connolly, a freshman Democrat from Virginia. "But it is not paid for. Until somebody shows me a path for this being paid for, I am a no."

    That quote represents everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party. Hey Gerald: was that $640B in defense spending that you voted for last year "paid for"? Didn't think so.

    People are suffering and these spineless Democrats are worried about preening for the deficit trolls.
    link



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    I can think of a way (none / 0) (#53)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:06:52 PM EST
    to pay for it.  Raise taxes.

    Somehow I doubt he'll go for that.

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    ok thats it (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:46:23 PM EST
    Im turning this thread right around.

    Actually, squeaky (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by sj on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:31:49 PM EST
    It's really pretty funny.  pipsqueak's sole purpose in life appears to be to rate your comments a 5.  All of your comments -- starting on the 25th (which is a lot of comments).

    On the other hand, that's kind of like stalking and a little creepy.

    There would never be the need (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:32:59 PM EST
    Hillary would have never betrayed us in such a fashion that she would have had a Helen Thomas thrashing coming.  In fact, if Hillary were President Helen Thomas would have retired to a Florida beach the day after the inauguration.

    Well, I think HT indeed (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:38:44 PM EST
    has her favorite pols, just as in the past she's probably had her favorite presidents.  E.g., was she ever as tough with Lyndon and VN at press conferences as she is with Obama and Afghan?  I doubt it.  (Though, for sure, LBJ arranged it to have few pressers, and the ones he did have were called at the last minute -- so reporters had little time to prepare -- and (like Junior's) had their share of pre-scripted softball questions.)

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    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:47:04 PM EST
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is finding her voice in the world of foreign affairs -- and it's the sound of hawk-speak, filled with threats and warnings.

    Helen Thomas

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. has great political skills, but her war-and-peace compass leaves something to be desired.

    Clinton has blown hot and cold on Middle East issues, including Iraq and the Palestinian-Israeli dispute. She is at best pragmatic.

    Principles? Well, that's another story.

    Before and during her early years in the White House, she supported Palestinian statehood, but she apparently forgot this after successfully running for senator from New York as a Democrat....

    The rest is history. She obviously had to cater to a new constituency, make the ritual trip to Israel and forget any sympathy she once had for the Palestinians. But is her 180-degree flip-flop on that festering issue a portent of her leadership if she attains the White House? As for Iraq, she voted in October 2002 to authorize President Bush to do what was necessary to unseat Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Unlike former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.Y., she has refused to say she made a mistake when she voted for the war.

    She cannot claim she was misled. During the lead up to the war when she was briefed on the latest U.S. intelligence about Iraq, Bush was shouting from the housetops that he was going to attack Iraq.

    Helen Thomas

    Helen Thomas would certainly be asking Hillary why we are still in Afghanistan. She is consistent and principled, unlike all Politicians, and many of their most fever driven admirers.  

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    I think you missed the snark. (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:58:22 PM EST
    That's OK (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:03:39 PM EST
    I felt compelled to quote Helen Thomas calling out Hillary for having no principles.  Just for the sake of those (Anne et al.) who feverishly argued that Hillary has core principals yet Obama does not.

    And as for the snark.... lol  

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    BTW, are you shelling out to see (none / 0) (#193)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:09:03 PM EST
    "Le Grand Macabre" at Avery Fisher Hall/Lincoln Center.  It is opera by an Italian, but like nothing I have heard/seen before or since.  Ligeti.

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    Not Sure (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:30:06 PM EST
    Although I am a fan of Ligeti, and am quite familiar with his works.

    I have noticed your comments about the performance, and quite surprised that you would be a fan of Ligeti.

    Oh and he was not italian, but Hungarian Jewish born in Romania..

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    Sold Out (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:32:41 PM EST
    Although maybe standing room, cancellations etc..

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    really? (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by sj on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:05:35 PM EST
    MT shouldn't have had to mark that as snark...

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    But (5.00 / 4) (#143)
    by Emma on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:40:09 PM EST
    I already bought the pantsuit!!

    memo to pipsqueak (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 27, 2010 at 10:36:36 PM EST
    I love the name, my parents used to call me that when I was little, but really, you can't register with more than one name here. I know who you are from your IP address (which is only viewable to me) so please stop rating comments under that name.

    As for those of you who are curious, all I'll say is pipsqueak is not Squeaky.

    I've deleted the 9 personal insults in this thread, which was already closed, and is staying closed.

    No one needs to leave here for fear of being personally attacked. If it's brought to my attention, I'll take care of it. Feel free to disagree with each others comments, but please avoid the attacks. We no longer have a "hall monitor", but you can report a nasty comment by sending me an e-mail. I never publish who complained. You should assume, especially on open threads and threads not written by me, that I haven't read the comments. I will if someone sends me an email request.

    How 'bout those Celtics?! (none / 0) (#1)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:33:03 PM EST
    A couple more well placed elbows from Superman and they'll have to suit up Cornbread Maxwell!  

    If I were a Celtics fan and a little on the paranoid side, I might just think that the NBA didn't want the series to be a sweep given some of the technicals last night.  But, that's just Ed T. Rush being Ed T. Rush.  

    ugh (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    I'm still wondering if that post I made yesterday expressing my fear is now actually going to cause that to happen.

    And yes, that was complete b.s.  And yes, I am definitely on the paranoid side.

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    Adjust your tinfoil guys... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:12:50 PM EST
    every conspiracy theory crackpot knows the league wants another Lakers vs. Celtics, and that's where any fix will come in.

    Though I guess they might rig a couple for the Magic and/or Suns to get a couple extra conference finals games in.

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    one can only hope (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:17:52 PM EST
    :)

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    No tinfoil... (none / 0) (#88)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:22:32 PM EST
    ...and I can't exactly adjust all of the surgical mess in me either.  

    It's all about the $'s my friend.  More CF games means more $ in the owner's pocket.  The league office doesn't cotton to short play-off series.

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    Errr... (none / 0) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:24:06 PM EST
    ...mesh.  Although, mess is also appropriate.

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    I don't think that any (none / 0) (#106)
    by Zorba on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:55:02 PM EST
    of the professional sports leagues' offices like short play-offs.  They all seem to gave gotten longer and longer.  When I was young, I don't recall the Stanley Cup being contested in June, for instance.  Or Baseball's World Series lasting into early November.  More games, more money from broadcasting rights, sponsors, tickets, etc.  

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    History is on your side... (none / 0) (#69)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:28:48 PM EST
    ...but then again it was on the Bruins side too.

    I absolutely think players should decide the games, but there are certain ref's who will T you up for looking at them wrong.  You've got to know that going in and adjust accordingly.  

    Just couldn't help feeling back for Big Baby--I'm the same way every morning when I try to get out of bed--out on my feet.

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    This West Coaster is rooting (none / 0) (#108)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:57:40 PM EST
    for the Celts to join their brothers the Bruins in that All Time Collapse Hall of Fame infamy.

    But, checking the schedule, it looks like the Kelts catch a break:  game 6 will be played in the friendly confines of Boston's Fleet Center.

    Not quite the old treacherous (and some say rigged) Boston Garden, but still, what are the chances, in front of 20,000 screaming fist-shaking beer-tossing fans, that the refs will have guts enough to call the Celtics on most of their thuggery on the hardwood?

    Sadly, it's advantage Celts.  Though most decent people I know would dearly like to see them collapse again Friday and create a deciding game 7 in Orlando, which would be a sporting contest for the ages.

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    ummm (none / 0) (#133)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:32:48 PM EST
    just so you know, it is now the "TD Garden" and everyone just calls it "The Garden" now so as to not sound like you are giving an STD to the Garden.

    Same building, but I don't think Fleet exists as a company anymore.

    Celtics Thuggery???  Have you seen those elbows to the head???  I mean WOW.

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    Oops, sorry -- (none / 0) (#148)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:45:09 PM EST
    a rare "foul" on my part.  Though not quite worthy of a "T" -- actually I haven't seen a single game played in Boston this year on the teevee, so can be excused for my ignorance on this matter ...

    Btw, what corp entity does "TD" stand for?

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    it was (none / 0) (#157)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:51:37 PM EST
    TD Banknorth Garden

    But then they changed it to TD garden

    It's some bank that no one uses.  Except when you are inside the Garden.  Because you have no other choice.

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    .609 is the winning percentage of (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:48:54 PM EST
    two teams:  Padres and Yankees.

    Mets mini win streak... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:56:06 PM EST
    against Yankees and Phils...lets hear it for the normally downtrodden!

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    Will the Pads make it to the end (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:57:39 PM EST
    relying on one run victories?  Probably not.

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    In Baseball... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:12:13 PM EST
    ya never know...who woulda thunk the Mets would toss two straight shutouts behind R.A. "Tricky" Dickey and Hisanori Takahashi, "The Command from Japan"?

    Just glad to be back in the race showing signs of life again...and hopefully stay there at least till the Cup starts.  Want our boys to beat England in our opener so bad...

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    My tutoree is very emotionally (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:15:12 PM EST
    invested in World Cup.  His team, Mexico, opens against South Africa.  Kid says they will get TV coverage of all Mexico games.

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    Univision... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:22:40 PM EST
    is the place to watch the Cup...might only understand 10% of the commentary, but the enthusiasm is infectious.

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    gooooooooooooooooooooool (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CST on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:05:12 PM EST
    is the greatest thing you will ever hear on tv.

    That would have been longer but it won't let me do it justice in the subject line.


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    It's the only thing we ever watch (none / 0) (#159)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:53:31 PM EST
    Must find out if I get Univision. (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:54:52 PM EST
    My husband and I ran into (none / 0) (#169)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:05:26 PM EST
    the U.S. Women's Olympic team once when we were shopping in Colorado Springs.  His tongue was dragging on the floor even though most of them were a good nine or ten inches taller than he is.  He loves soccer.  He was an excellent player when he was younger.  He loves a woman who can put him in his place even more :)

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    .666 would be more fitting. (none / 0) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:09:50 PM EST
    It's awful early to be crowing about your winning percent, but hey, enjoy it while it lasts.

     

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    What do you think I am doing? (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:12:37 PM EST
    Four games back... (none / 0) (#28)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:22:22 PM EST
    ...four game winning streak and a team lead by the best pitcher in baseball--we're coming for ya'!

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    But can he pitch on 3 days rest? (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:34:18 PM EST
    At this point... (none / 0) (#35)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:40:28 PM EST
    ...I don't think there is anything Ubaldo can't do.  9 and 1?  .88 ERA?  Nobody but Marichal has done that.  

    Since the expansion era began in 1961, the only other pitcher to win nine of his first 10 starts with an ERA under 1.00 was Hall of Famer Juan Marichal (0.59 in 1966), according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Think about that a minute. Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux and Bob Gibson never pulled this off.


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    He should get extra credit for pitching (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:42:45 PM EST
    in Denver, no?

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    Nope. (none / 0) (#40)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:46:37 PM EST
    I've always considered that whole "nobody can pitch at altitude" to be a load of garbage.  If you can pitch, you can pitch--wherever.  Definately a mental obsticle to overcome more than a physical one.

    There's no excuses in baseball.

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    Ball's supposed to carry farther (none / 0) (#168)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:05:00 PM EST
    because of the "thin air", so advantage hitters.

    But if that's the case, wouldn't the pitchers also be at an advantage since there's less air resistance to their fastballs, making them even faster?

    Very confusing ...

    Or maybe none of this altitude business matters outside of distance running and long jumping ...

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#178)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:29:00 PM EST
    but the ball doesn't curve as well in thin air.... or so they said...

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    Vida Blue (none / 0) (#170)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:13:42 PM EST
    had a start somewhat like that back in the seventies, didnt he?

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    did I hear (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 12:58:08 PM EST
    the moratorium or whatever its called is for 6 months?

    the damage wont even be clear from this one by then.

    I think they will spend a great (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:13:11 PM EST
    deal of energy in writing new regulations and we will have some real experienced hardassed engineers running regulating.  But I sense he has more energy pushing into plans on how to get future drilling up and running with "enough" safety than he has in any sort of cleanup of this horror.  He talks like a kindergarten kid when he is addressing that lack of cleanup response and cleanup prevention and he wants to criticize the creation of Jindal man made islands that should have been started two weeks ago as being something that could have long term undesireable consequences....because the fecking oil doesn't have any of those.  As someone who lives an hour from Panama City.....What an Idiot Jerk!

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    Jindal is proposing sand berms right? (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:30:58 PM EST
    A couple of days ago Fishgrease (Dkos) was talking about berms -- something about how they can't be a solid wall. They'd have to be staggered, in segments, at an angle to one another, to allow some water to circulate  into the marsh to keep the riparian (plants/grasses) alive.

    There's also the problem that if there's oil in the marshes, before or after the berms are erected, the berms may keep the oil inside.

    Best hope to keep it out is booming, which also involves diverting the oil into catch basins connected to the boom. By all accounts, there's FAR too little booming, and it's being done very badly.

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    Yes he is proposing berms (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:49:04 PM EST
    to protect the wetlands of the delta.  The natural berms that were once there have all been removed, and now the delta doesn't flood and silt up anymore either.  In the areas where the wetlands have been exposed to the oil now and the grasses are all dying, they are saying the only way it can probably revegetate is if it reexperiences some of that silting up flooding again.  I don't fully understand much of that.  But the delta is the baby nursery for most of the fishes and such in the gulf.  We can't lose that and it is in a lot of danger right now....or maybe we can lose it and that is just the way it is going to be.  The dispersants have oil beneath the water surface now, so booming can't be relied upon to save the delta.  Unfortunately we have oil masses moving into the areas coming under the boom.  The dispersants helped BP hide the size of the spill for awhile, and kept it from hitting the coastline awhile longer....but we have no idea how difficult they have now made the cleanup and containment.  They may have made it virtually impossible to specifically hold off certain catastrophes now without the berms (which seem to have the greatest probability of success at this time in protecting the delta).

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    this might be a stupid question but... (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by ZtoA on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:16:44 PM EST
    is burning ever talked about for oiled wetlands and grasses? Do wetlands ever burn naturally? (like the prairie which burns and rejuvinates)

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    I was wondering that too (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:38:00 PM EST
    So far the wetlands that have been hit have been just sitting there and nobody is doing anything with them.  That is really upsetting some people too down here.  I don't know if anyone has a serious plan yet on how to clean them up.  I haven't heard about a plan yet.  The residents don't seem to know what to do, they are waiting to be told what needs to be done.

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    Allen just announced (none / 0) (#173)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:17:46 PM EST
    The Fed government is onboard and will dredge some manmade barrier islands to protect the wetlands.  It does sound like there is some disagreement as to where LA wants these islands created and the White House does, but they are in agreement on the creation of the some of the islands.  The other islands they said LA will be responsible for paying for and they will be responsible for any impact upon the environment that they create.

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    And they have stopped pumping (none / 0) (#174)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:19:40 PM EST
    drilling mud into the Macondo wellhead.  They will probably begin again tomorrow.  Not clear why they stopped, said something about renewing their supply?  

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    Clarified, they quit (none / 0) (#183)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:33:45 PM EST
    topkill at around midnight last night but decided to not tell any of us.  How nice.  Everyone is getting really POed again.  They said they are now getting ready to start again but they are adding some "junk" in with the mud, pieces of rubber and "stuff".

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    Hey BTD (none / 0) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    Sports Left doesn't do French?

    Lupin as special correspondent? (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:13:26 PM EST
    I had not heard about the (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:02:33 PM EST
    spill in the 70s - and dont remember it - but this clip from Maddow last night was sort of stunning.

    Polanski non update: (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:19:11 PM EST
    See Huff Post re a bill proposed by (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:45:13 PM EST
    GOP making it a misdemeanor to lie while campaigning--if the lie is about military service.

    Let's see the GOP (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by lilburro on Thu May 27, 2010 at 01:51:45 PM EST
    write a bill that makes it a misdemeanor to lie about your fidelity...

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    Excellent!! (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by ruffian on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:35:10 PM EST
    Let's charge GWB for his guard duty lies.

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    Silly GOP... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:41:09 PM EST
    candidates and elected officials never lie...they "mis-speak".  Haven't they gotten their 10th edition Newspeak dictionaries yet?  

    My neighbor said something about a shortage, but the ministry says there is no shortage...so I reported my neighbor.

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    Puhlease. Don't begrude an (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:47:54 PM EST
    an elected AG a "few misplaced words."  link

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    I still think Blumenthal (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:07:49 PM EST
    is well within the "typical pol" range on this.  They're always stretching things and, pols being people too, they assume everyone else is exaggerating a tad on their resumes, so they'll unlikely have much attention called to it, if ever.

    In my lifetime, this one ranks well below what Junior and his handlers did to obscure and misrepresent his dubious war-avoidance service during Nam.  That involved at least several felonies that should have brought the political death penalty.  Of course, he was a corporate Repub running against the Evil Al Gore, and we know which one the MSM decided was the Big Liar ...

    The other pol who got away with outright howling lies about his war record was Silver Star awardee Lyndon Johnson.  See Caro v. 2, though the fair-minded Caro didn't have the full story, which didn't come to the fore untiI, iirc, 11 yrs after his book, when one of the people on that one sole observation mission in the Pacific Johnson went on revealed that he and his mates had (ahem) misled in the past about the nature of Johnson's alleged exploits in action.

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    I am just snarking on Blumenthal's phrase (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:18:13 PM EST
    "a few misplaced words."  

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    CMS (Cernters for Medicare & Medicard (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:43:14 PM EST
    Services) sent out a mailer"  Medicare and the New Health Care Lalw__What it Means for You.  

    Including "Improvements in Medicare You Will See Right Away,"

    Subheading:  "More Affordable Prescription Drugs," which includes:

    OVer the next ten years, you will receive additional savings until the coverage gap is closed in 2020."  [Emphasis added.]

    Oh, and unbeknownst to me, the brochure informs me my Medicare premium subsidizes those on a Medicare Advantage plan.  And that, "beginning in 2014, the new law protects Medicare Advantage members by taking strong steps to ensure that at least 85% pf every dollar these plans receive is spent on health care, rather than administrative costs and insurance company profits."  [Emphasis added.]

    Here's the good news:  Next year Medicare enrollees can get "free preventative care services like colorectal cancer screening and mammograms."  And a free annual physical. WTF, people on Medicare didn't get these essential services before?

    Are you phone posting again? (none / 0) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:26:45 PM EST
    'cause I know for a fact the CMS brochure doesn't read like that!

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    Nope. But doesn't seem to make (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:28:44 PM EST
    much difference re spelling.

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    Medicare currently does NOT cover (none / 0) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:30:13 PM EST
    annual physicals. Covers a ONE time physical for a new enrollee if received within six months of enrollment date.

    Pays 80% of annual mammograms. Colorectal cancer screening have various time frames and payment schedules.

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    That's still decent (none / 0) (#103)
    by brodie on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:49:20 PM EST
    coverage, afaict.  

    And strongly disagree about annual physicals, one of the least "essential" of medical services offered in a given calendar year.  Unless, I suppose, it's one of those deluxe "executive" thingys that  takes all day and tests for everything that can be tested, and that costs an exec's weekly salary or equivalent thereof in chickens.  Which type of all-day evalutation medicare probably didn't cover anyway.

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    Went on Medicare last October (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:37:35 PM EST
    I am completely happy with the coverage. In fact, people will rue the day when they failed to vote out any politician who even hinted that they would reduce or eliminate this "entitlement program."

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    Medicare doesn't seem to cover (none / 0) (#171)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:15:04 PM EST
    hearing loss.  Luckily I have supplemental insurance and am not consigned to living on Social Security.  Otherwise, I would be sitting home with the TV turned up reallllly loud.

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    Medicare is not free (none / 0) (#182)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:33:37 PM EST
    Doctor visits are 80% paid with the patient, or their supplemental insurance, paying the remainder. And there's a large deductible for a hospital visit.

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    fatwa on your head? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 02:50:42 PM EST
    "Is your community or family threatening you? Leaving Islam?
    "

    this is weird

    link

    link

    I was on that yesterday bro... (5.00 / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:02:25 PM EST
    It is a little weird...but luckily that is still kinda allowed in our somewhat free country.  Kudos to the MTA for not cowering and letting it rip.

    Me...I'm waiting for the bus ad touting a helpline for when your government threatens you.

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    I cant wait (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:11:15 PM EST
    for the tv campaign.  

    "come on down!  crazy Abduls prices are INSANE!"

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    "Somewhat free" (none / 0) (#165)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:03:00 PM EST
    means, in actual practice, that those who can pony up for the Swift Boat ads get to control the spin.

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    If you can't see past the spin cycle... (none / 0) (#181)
    by kdog on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:33:27 PM EST
    that's on the individual...I mean the nanny state can't think for us too...can they?

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    If people weren't (none / 0) (#189)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:58:23 PM EST
    suggestible to a fault, Madison Avenue would fold up it's tent and go get real jobs.

    Also, with your all-on-the-individual schtick, you're getting close to the Greenspanian nothing-wrong-with-fraud line. Buyer beware, always.        Nobody knows everything, and we all at times, trust people we dont know well to give us accurate information. That's just the reality -- or part of it -- that we all participate in.    

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    Which is what I learned after googling (none / 0) (#190)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:02:22 PM EST
    today's reference to German philospher/musicologist.  He participated in something called The Radio Project but dropped out, concluding people could be programmed to give kudos to certain music, shows, etc.

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    Adorno (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by squeaky on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:21:04 PM EST
    Adorno Loved Berg, studied with him and was a big supporter.. Important voice of the Frankfurt school... questionable performance in helping Walter Benjamin escape to NYC... but who knows really why they did not get him out in time...

    Personally I find Walter Benjamin's writing more sympatico..

    ,

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    Adorno said about Benjamin (none / 0) (#197)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:26:58 PM EST
    that seeing him he felt like a child glimpsing a Christmas tree through a crack in the door..

    Benjamin was a mensch by almost all accounts.

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    Im kinda surprised (none / 0) (#198)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 06:29:07 PM EST
    you're down with the idea of refs and umpires, k.

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    Let's see. The city has a contractor (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 03:00:47 PM EST
    who decides, with review of city officials, who may purchase ad space on city's subways.  Earlier ads proselytized on behalf of Islam.

    Query:  is the city's contractor an enemy combatant?

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    Interesting choice of words: (none / 0) (#149)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:45:20 PM EST
    "Ads target those planning to leave Islam.."

    A little misleading about the content of the article, if one were to read no further.

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    Pamela Geller (none / 0) (#177)
    by jondee on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:26:48 PM EST
    Coulter, Malkin, Crowley, Ingraham..

    Im convinced there's a right wing Stepford facility somewhere, where they genetically engineer and indoctrinate these fembots before unleashing them on the public..

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    It's the Bizarro Barbie factory (none / 0) (#180)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:32:18 PM EST
    interesting (none / 0) (#111)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:06:36 PM EST
    starting a new thing at work called FWE.  or flexible work environment.  it sounds pretty radical although I am not sure how radical it will be in actual implementation.

    heres how it works.  we only "have" to be here two hours a day.  that is if we can do all we are supposed to do in two hours, which of course is absurd.  but it will supposedly mean that on a slow day you can go home after two hours.

    and it comes with more "personal responsibility".  meaning we are supposed to deal with many of our own problems without getting PMs involved.  some people are terrified.  I guess personal responsibility is a terrifying thing for some.


    They may be (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Emma on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:19:57 PM EST
    worried that it gives your employer more room for abuse.  Which it does.

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    true (none / 0) (#147)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:42:18 PM EST
    but I have found that most middle management is totally useless.  at best.

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    So what? (none / 0) (#150)
    by Emma on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:45:27 PM EST
    Some people are useless so who cares if my boss makes it easier to abuse everybody?

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    given the average work environment (none / 0) (#155)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:49:33 PM EST
    I guess I can see why you might say that.
    that really is not what this is about.

    this is different.  this is a great place to work.  they treat us really well and we a given a lot of respect.  
    it really is about making an environment were people can have a life and still work a lot.  which we all have to do.  but if the structure is flexible enough it is easier to work into your life.
     that is the goal.

    I will report on how well it works in practical application.


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    Good luck (5.00 / 4) (#166)
    by Emma on Thu May 27, 2010 at 05:03:07 PM EST
    I hope they don't find that everybody can do their job in 2 hours and then lay off 60% of the work force.  ;)

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    True (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Spamlet on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:25:28 PM EST
    that "personal responsibility is a terrifying thing for some." But it's also a great alibi for PMs and managers of other kinds who don't actually want to manage and therefore characterize all manner of systemic institutional problems as "personality conflicts," with the sanctions and threats that tend to trail along in the wake of such an "analysis." Emma is right.

    Which is not to say that FWE won't be a good thing. That would be my own preferred working environment if I were still working for an employer.

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    they are pretty good about (none / 0) (#144)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:40:14 PM EST
    that kind of stuff here.  one of the things they are trying to fix is over management.  and two many meetings.  to much hovering.

    we are being told if you get a notice for a meeting you can ask why.  do I really need to be here?

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    It will be interesting to see how many (none / 0) (#130)
    by ruffian on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:30:26 PM EST
    people are there more hours just because they'd rather work at medium speed for 6 hours than full speed for 2.

    Or how many problems actually go unresolved because people are nowhere to be found.

    Let us know how it goes.


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    Do you suppose the 2 hr. min. (5.00 / 3) (#154)
    by oculus on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:49:04 PM EST
    includes TL time?

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    shhhhhh (5.00 / 3) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:50:24 PM EST
    it should be interesting (none / 0) (#146)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:41:10 PM EST
    and yes to what you said about medium speed.

    or taking three hours in the middle of the day to go to the gym.

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    I just noticed that (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:13:24 PM EST
    that cracks me up :)

    oh and btw (none / 0) (#139)
    by sj on Thu May 27, 2010 at 04:37:02 PM EST
    I wouldn't have gone looking but once it was pointed out I couldn't keep myself from checking it out.

    (sigh)  I need a real job... too much time on my hands.  Even with studying...