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    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:15:42 PM EST
    decision:

    This is what Barack Obama has done to the habeas clause of the Constitution:  if you are in Thailand (as one of the petitioners in this case was) and the U.S. abducts you and flies you to Guantanamo, then you have the right to have a federal court determine if there is sufficient evidence to hold you.  If, however, President Obama orders that you be taken to from Thailand to Bagram rather than to Guantanamo, then you will have no rights of any kind, and he can order you detained there indefinitely without any right to a habeas review.  That type of change is so very inspiring -- almost an exact replica of his vow to close Guantanamo . . . all in order to move its core attributes (including indefinite detention) a few thousand miles North to Thompson, Illinois.

    So when Obama said this on the Senate floor in 2006, I guess he really was just referring to Guantanamo:

    I would like somebody in this Chamber, somebody in this Government, to tell me why this is necessary. I do not want to hear that this is a new world and we face a new kind of enemy. I know that. I know that every time I think about my two little girls and worry for their safety--when I wonder if I really can tuck them in at night and know that they are safe from harm. I have as big of a stake as anybody on the other side of the aisle and anybody in this administration in capturing terrorists and incapacitating them. I would gladly take up arms myself against any terrorist threat to make sure my family is protected.

    But as a parent, I can also imagine the terror I would feel if one of my family members were rounded up in the middle of the night and sent to Guantanamo without even getting one chance to ask why they were being held and being able to prove their innocence.

    It sure sounds like he was talking to the broader issue.

    Means more questions for Kagan, (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by Anne on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:46:52 PM EST
    as the government's position was argued by her office.

    And, since it is likely the case will be appealed to the SC, where, if she is confirmed, she will have to recuse herself, I don't think there is any reason why she should not be made to explain her views on the issues and on the case.

    There's something about the president looking for back-door means to subvert the Constitution that I find utterly repugnant.

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    At least Obama 2010... (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:34:44 PM EST
    can now explain to Obama 2006 why tyranny is necessary.

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    I'm sure Obama 2010 would give ... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:57:13 PM EST
    the same lame rationale that Obama 2006 so easily dismissed.

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    And the trend is what makes me worry (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Anne on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:58:31 PM EST
    about the Obama of 2012 and beyond...this isn't the direction we were supposed to be going - or so he led people to believe.

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    He probably (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:02:41 PM EST
    has a speech somewhere that he will claim he gave, railing against this very issue.

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    Informative, amusing (to me) video, (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:03:19 PM EST
    about BP's failure to do "fu@king proper fu@king booming". (The narration is based on Fishgrease's Dkos diary, but he didn't do the video.) VIDEO - BP Fails Booming School 101, Gulf Oil Spill.

    Here's a May 5th story, via TruthOut, by Greg Palast who's also mad as hell about BP failing to do proper booming/containment, Slick Operator: The BP I've known too well:

    In 1989, I was a fraud investigator hired to dig into the cause of the Exxon Valdez disaster. Despite Exxon's name on that boat, I found the party most to blame for the destruction was British Petroleum. That's important to know, because the way BP caused devastation in Alaska is exactly the way BP is now sliming the entire Gulf Coast...the oil from the Exxon Valdez, which could have and should have been contained around the ship, spread out in a sludge tide that wrecked 1,200 miles of shoreline.

    And here we go again. Valdez goes Cajun. Where was BP's containment barge and response crew? Why was the containment boom laid so damn late, too late and too little? Why is it that the US Navy is hauling in 12 miles of rubber boom and fielding seven skimmers, instead of BP? It was only last month that BP [pre-explosion], lobbying for new deepwater drilling, testified to Congress that additional equipment and inspection wasn't needed.

    This just in: Becnel [attorney] tells me that one of the platform workers has informed him that the BP well was apparently deeper than the 18,000 feet depth reported. BP failed to communicate that additional depth to Halliburton crews who therefore poured in too small a cement cap for the additional pressure caused by the extra depth. So it blew.

    And so it goes.

    Wow, just watched the video (none / 0) (#124)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 10:43:15 PM EST
    At least I'm glad to see Fishgrease get out there (blogger at DKos). But, -- devastating. The images are beyond belief.

    Did you see this OilDrum post about how the well itself had severe design failures? Yes, I read too that the well went deeper than 18,000 - more like 24,000. Guess that would change the pressure a bit.

    Design failures would be entirely BP's fault it would seem. Of course regulators OKed it and failed proper oversight. But if BP drilled deeper than their permits allowed they are in deep water for certain.

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    I should have said (none / 0) (#125)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 10:45:43 PM EST
    "Guess that would have fu@king changed the fu@king pressure a bit."

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    I hope this is not somehow in poor taste but (none / 0) (#129)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 11:07:24 PM EST
    I love Dr. John and this song of his. Somehow seems relevant in a dark sort of way. But I've loved this song for years. It likes the dial turned way up!

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    Under the heading of Raising (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:08:14 PM EST
    Smarter Smartasses :), Josh was upset when I picked him up from school.  He is upset with his new haircut he got last night, he says it is too short.  I'm upset because it is hardly short.  I told him I'm fine with long hair but when it is down to his butt I have a problem.  Then he tells me I'm making a hyperbole.  WTF, I thought I had to come to the blogosphere to come in contact with that word.  And I didn't teach it to him either.  Then at dinner I ordered an Italian Margarita.  It came with an Amaretto sidecar that I kept separate.  When my maincourse arrived I took a few bites and sipped some Amaretto.  He asked me, "What's that?".  I said that it was called a sidecar and he says, "Oh, I thought it was a shot."  And he knows about this because he is currently playing 'Red Dead Redemption'.  I like my children better stupid.

    You may be ready for this movie: (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:24:43 PM EST
    Please Give

    Mom doesn't stand a change vs. the verbal assaults of her 15 yr. old daughter.  Good movie.

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    Anything about the mother who lost (none / 0) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:32:07 PM EST
    to the teenage daughter, I'm game for :)  Something I can relate to :) Joshua's bark is still not a bite, and I'm not sure he will ever get to that point.  He is too much like his dad, and desires to make his way in the world by being pleasing.

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    Let me know what you think of the (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Sat May 22, 2010 at 01:12:18 AM EST
    manner in which the 15 yr. old addresses her mother.  And mom's reaction.  

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    For kdog: (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 12:46:57 PM EST
    A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
    I need someone to protect me from all the measures they take in order to protect me. -Banksy, street artist (b. 1974)

    Frrom today's Word-A-Day email.


    Banksy! (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 12:59:54 PM EST
    I like his work...and his style.  Check it out

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    Have you seen the pseudo-doc. (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:27:48 PM EST
    movie:  Exit through the Gift Shop?

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    No... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:33:23 PM EST
    would like to...read a review, sounds pretty cool.

    And obviously we're on the same wavelength when it comes to societal/cultural perceptions.  I'm sure glad he's out there doing his thing.

    Love this piece.

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    I love Banksy too! (none / 0) (#11)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:35:41 PM EST
    and he can get dark.

    My daughter saw a movie about him and some french artist who sort of ripped Banksy off and had a "cash in on the Banksy" look in LA. Can't remember the name of the film.

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    Can we expect... (none / 0) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:11:42 PM EST
    ...your deep thoughts on the whole Landis/Armstrong blow-up, BTD?  Or are you saving that for the big re-launch?

    Landis motivated this column... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:21:46 PM EST
    over at ESPN Dos...biggest snitches in sports history.

    Not the best list imo...no Keith Hernandez or Daryl Strawberry?

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    I've always felt sorry... (none / 0) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:29:42 PM EST
    ...for Bouton.  Ball Four was one of my favorite reads as a kid.  And Bruce Pearl!  He'll always have a special place in any Hawkeye fans heart for exposing the Illini as the cheaters they are.

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    Bouton might have been (none / 0) (#98)
    by brodie on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:58:53 PM EST
    naive enough not to expect such a harsh backlash from the protectors of the (then) pristine image of MLB, but he wasn't stupid and probably knew that he would be exiled from the establishment quarters of that sport.  

    Still, he got to be the first to tell the truth, shatter a few icons, and basically tell the world that people should wise up and not make athletes into role models for their kids.  Laughed all the way to the bank too, I'd imagine.

    Whistleblowers and truthtellers always need to have their horse saddled and watered.  Dunno where Bouton ended up, but I do know that post-Bouton, the nation's lazy sportswriters could no longer offer up the usual sports-hero pablum they used to dish out regularly up to that point.

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    Im not big on cheating (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:37:46 PM EST
    myself. Also not big on snitches..though since Im too unconnected to take care of it myself, I'll snitch out in a Taiwan second that boxer shorts with the nine whose been accidentally popping little kids in the crossfire in the Rock..even if he isnt the absolute root of the problem.

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    What could this possibly mean? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:41:39 PM EST
    Excuse me stewardess... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:47:57 PM EST
    maybe I can help, I speak jondee:)

    He's saying as a rule, don't cheat and don't snitch.  But rules are made to be broken and he'd snitch when the situation warrants.

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    Looks like I picked... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:51:41 PM EST
    ...the wrong day to quite sniffing glue.  LOL.

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    If you're really (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:08:42 PM EST
    a prosecutor it might behoove you to learn some street slang at some point.

    The Rock (more esoteric, I know): Rochester, NY

    Snitch: Inform the authorities of dangerous, anti-social activity.

    Nine: Handgun.

    Pop: To cause injury with a firearm.

    Boxer shorts: As in , the promiscuously exposed boxer short fashion statement favored by the previously mentioned young men inflicting collateral harm on school age children in the course of conducting their "turf wars" (which isnt to say Im in favor profiling)  

     

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    That's what I get for (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:10:26 PM EST
    trying to be fancy.

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    I call that speaking Eminem ;-) (none / 0) (#62)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:00:33 PM EST
     

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    I always thought (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:04:13 PM EST
    the rock - was for rockaway

    shows how much I know...

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    It has multiple uses (none / 0) (#96)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:57:46 PM EST
    depending on your locale.

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    And I always thought... (none / 0) (#99)
    by desertswine on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:00:54 PM EST
    it was for Alcatraz.

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    that too (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 05:47:12 PM EST
    we have short memories around here. And only so many good names for things.

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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:10:38 PM EST
    BTW:  despite some who think so, I am not "really a prosecutor."  Haven't been for over 20 yrs.

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    I like your past (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:15:57 PM EST
    and feck anyone who has a problem with it.  All I have to say to them is, try living very long or very safe and sound without it.

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    Well you know (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 10:52:51 PM EST
    what that great Buddhist St Francis said: every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future.

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    Signed, Ezra Pound MC (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:11:43 PM EST
    Dang! (none / 0) (#5)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:25:08 PM EST
    I forgot to work my Armstrong literally "hitting the road" joke in there.

    Oh well, it is Friday afternoon and I'm already in a Saturday frame of mind.

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    Is it possible for a person living in S. CA (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:29:46 PM EST
    who would rather be in Manhattan to find culture here?  Hope so.  Just got a ticket to play @ Mark Taper Forum in downtown LA.  Excellent Isherwood review in NYT.  And will have a more leisurely look at Secrets of the Silk Road exh. at Bowers Museum in Anaheim.  

    We have very good museums (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:42:36 PM EST
    Getty
    Getty Villa
    Norton Simon
    The Huntington Library--which has the best original Shakespeare texts (folios) in the U.S.

    And....the Dodgers, the Angels and the Lakers.....What more could you want?....

    We are so cultured we do not have an NFL team--and don't really want one.....

    We have historical surfing beaches the subject of much lore and song....

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    fantastic museums (none / 0) (#29)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:17:41 PM EST
    I saw the Shakespeare folio when at the Huntington last fall, and they have original Wm. Blake hand painted manuscripts (!!) but they were not on display this visit. LACMA is there and if you are in the art business (or know someone who is - art historians or contemporary art curators are the best bet) perhaps a private tour of the Eli Broad museum in Venice Beach (write ahead).

    And then for a real bit of "culture" - just hang at Venice Beach for a bit. Or take a Universal Studio Tour or a Tour of the homes of the Stars. Both of these I was forced to go on by my then teenage daughter and I had a great time despite myself. The best part was to hear her go "oooo!!!" when the tour guide pointed out James Garner's house. "Do you even know or care who that is?" No matter, it was all fun. (she is now dragging me to see the first folio and getting all excited about that, so times change) The Ivy at the Beach is a place to really get tacky and spot "stars" who you really can't place and can't remember what they were in.

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    Eli Broad Museum in Venice (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:26:20 PM EST
    Did not know about that one....

    Ivy in Santa Monica--I saw Ahnold there awhile ago.....He isn't that tall.  I guess I stared too much because he got this "uh-oh" look in his eyes, like I was gonna ask for an autograph. Not me.  Never.  They are nothing to me....

    We have a teenage son now in college, so, woe is us, we have done been abandoned....Somebody's family with an attractive young daughter just inherited our Son for the Summer....  

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    There was a time some yrs (none / 0) (#89)
    by brodie on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:37:19 PM EST
    back when I was fortunate enough to live in a certain nice part of SM and would see Arnold and Maria fairly frequently, usually at breakfast on the weekends.  She was always chipper and smiling, a couple of young kids in tow usually.  Arnold would be busy trying to find a spot big enough to park the Hummer ...  

    Actually there's an area of SM which has quite a few cee-leb types from the entertainment, media, and political worlds.  Ya never know who you might be seated next to at certain eateries ...

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    You do have world class museums. (none / 0) (#110)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:12:01 PM EST
    And music.  The problem is--I am 2 hrs. away..  Am going to Huntington and Getty Villa plus Geffen end of June..

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    "You"? And I thought (none / 0) (#113)
    by MKS on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:24:35 PM EST
    you were one of us.....All SoCal is one big suburb....

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    Thank God for Camp Pendleton. (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:26:18 PM EST
    LA MOCA and LACMA. (none / 0) (#66)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:06:55 PM EST
    I have positive memories (none / 0) (#93)
    by brodie on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:53:02 PM EST
    from numerous visits to LACMA, mostly from yrs ago.  Exhibits of ancient Egyptian art particularly, and accidentally once running into a top US Egyptologist as we both were looking at a granite sarcophagous.  Special exhibit from the Jeu de Paume museum in Paris (Impressionist).  Going on weekend nights to see special reissues of classic films, often with a star or director present for a chat.  

    As for the museum's architecture, well I haven't been there in a while, but last I saw, it was quite a clashing mish-mash of 60s & 80s modern styles which looked pretty awful.  Actually, the original 60s building(s) probably needed to be put down rather than added on to.  Tastes change, and I'm not sure the patrons of the arts back in the 60s didn't miss a chance to bring in a bold visionary architect.  Too corporate minded probably.

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    South Coast Rep Theater (none / 0) (#70)
    by ruffian on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:13:24 PM EST
    in Orang County (I know, I know, don't let that prejudice you) was very good when I used to live out there.

    Not Broadway I know, but also not 3000 miles away.

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    Although the last one I saw there, about 6 months ago, was only middling. Can't even remember the name...

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    Great museums (none / 0) (#94)
    by Democratic Cat on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:54:20 PM EST
    Great musuems, as others have noted (LACMA, MOCA, Getty!, and Norton Simon); much better than in Northern California, for example.  And then there's the LA Philharmonic, which will be exciting to watch over the next few years.

    I lived in the Bay Area for years and discovered it was best to appreciate the area for what it offered, even if it was different than what I was used to. Though the SFS was wonderful, and there were many great dance companies that came through SF and Berkeley, so it was hardly a cultural wasteland. Now that I am back on the East Coast, I am loving the culture, but pine for the natural beauty and sublime weather of California.

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    Church warns scientists not to play God (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:31:38 PM EST
    ROME (AP) - Catholic Church officials said Friday the recent creation by researchers of the first synthetic cell can be a positive development if correctly used, but warned scientists that only God can create life.

    we are used to contradictory statements but not usually in the same sentence.

    By positive development... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:03:59 PM EST
    does the funny hat guy mean they just proved the intelligent design theory?  

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    meh (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:23:26 PM EST
    if the design was all that intelligent there would be no funny hat guy.

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    That could just be the designers... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:31:31 PM EST
    warped sense of humor.

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    well (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:34:58 PM EST
    I always thought god, if he exists, must have a sense of humor.

    other wise explain to me why men reach their sexual peak at 17 and women at 30.

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    Giant Anteaters.. (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:44:20 PM EST
    Actually at one point, the French writer Cendrars said God was a Giant Anteater..

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    makes as much (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:53:46 PM EST
    sense as anything else

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    Gives the girls the upperhand at (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:18:14 PM EST
    some point :)  It was such a good upperhand too.

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    Interesting... (none / 0) (#15)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:46:21 PM EST
    The U.S. Supreme Court, by declining to examine a case, has let stand a Montana insurance rule that prohibited policy language giving insurers broad powers to deny coverage.

    Former state Auditor John Morrison, who decided in 2003 to prohibit the so-called "discretionary clause" in group health and disability insurance policies sold in Montana, said Thursday that keeping the prohibition is a big victory for consumers.

    "It is immensely important and affects the health insurance rights of tens of millions of Americans," he said. "Health insurance is only useful if your claims are paid. So, the (clause) goes right to the heart of whether people's claims get paid or not."

    The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday said it won't consider an appeal of a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which said Morrison's action was not pre-empted by federal law.

    Link

    I wonder what effect, if any, this ruling will have on the coming legal battles over HIR...


    None (none / 0) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:40:16 PM EST
    It's a state law, so doesn't involve the commerce clause.

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    State Rights/Commerce Clause... (none / 0) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:52:16 PM EST
    ...are exactly the arguements I hear from those who want to repeal HIR and its mandatory coverage.  So, you're right in one respect, but missing the larger issue in another.  

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    Not following you here (none / 0) (#130)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 21, 2010 at 11:18:38 PM EST
    States' rights (against the federal government) and the commerce clause were not at issue in this case, is my point.  (Freely admitting I know nothing of this case other than what you posted!)

    If there is no federal law preempting, then those issues aren't in play.  On the other hand, there can't be any question in the HCR lawsuits about the federal law because that's the specific thing the suits are directly questioning the legitimacy of.

    Or am I all wet?

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    this was creepy (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 01:59:42 PM EST
    President Obama Burned in Effigy at Bar in West Allis

    do you think they are so clueless they dont get the symbolism or they are just clueless enough that it was the whole point.


    I'm sure the guys thought it made them look cool (none / 0) (#20)
    by Farmboy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:03:54 PM EST
    and judging by the "whoo" noises in the video, it worked.

    West Allis. Definitely a place not to stop for gas on my way to Summerfest.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:12:20 PM EST
    if they considered the possibility that some ardent Obama fan might decide to do the same thing to their tacky restaurant

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    Hard to find Obama fans there now (none / 0) (#127)
    by Cream City on Fri May 21, 2010 at 10:49:57 PM EST
    although as a Dem stronghold, it went for Obama in 2008.  But see below an update on what is happening there and in so many working-class cities and towns.

    It is the sort of place to watch and worry about for 2012.

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    I sorta agree but not really (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:31:38 PM EST
    Burning things in effigy is an American tradition.  Burning draft cards.  Burning U.S. flags.  Effigies of George W.....

    The only part that got my attention was the duct tape around the neck, a noose....That was very offensive....but still permissible speech imo.  But I'm pretty close to a Skokie purist about speech.

    We should not send out the police to hassle people who engage in offensive speech.

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    I agree with you (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:36:09 PM EST
    I am the one who was defending Fred Phelps the other day.

    doesnt mean its not creepy.


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    or inviting (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:36:28 PM EST
    reprisals

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    Sometimes... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:43:37 PM EST
    street justice is the best kind.

    Like Phelps...I heard they're planning one of their whackjob festivals at the Ronnie James Dio funeral...perhaps this is the one where they get the beatdown...metalheads vs. jesusfreaks.

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    He died? (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:48:05 PM EST
    And Blackmore is playing the lute at Renaissance fests these days, last I hear..

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    why him (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:58:12 PM EST
    I wonder.

    just cause?  high profile funeral?

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    I admit it (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:04:42 PM EST
    I wouldnt be all that put out if Fred got his ass publicly kicked. Ideally by a grieving mother (just to make it a fair fight.)

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    I would love it (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:09:31 PM EST
    hell I would fund it.
    but the thing is this is what they want. really.
    this is how they pay the bills.  this is what they count on and why they do this.  some one punches someone and they sue you.  and they always win.

    they are a family of lawyers.  its what they do.


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    Pathetic, but true (none / 0) (#69)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:11:23 PM EST
    having said that (none / 0) (#71)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:14:17 PM EST
    I would pay to see the Phelps vs Biker/Metal Head thing.


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    Cue quote.. (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:16:43 PM EST
    from the dreadful Rocky V.

    Don King type character says to Rocky "Touch me and I'll sue."

    Rocky says "Sue me for what?" and cleans his clock.

    Hopefully Dio's mourners are broke enough to not give a f*ck..."sue me for what?".

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    preeeeecisly (none / 0) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:18:31 PM EST
    n/t

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    Minion of satan? (none / 0) (#65)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:05:53 PM EST
    Dio... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:14:22 PM EST
    was an advocate for Satan...the index and pinky finger devil horns thang.

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    I thought that was a Sicilian (none / 0) (#79)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:20:37 PM EST
    anti-devil gesture..

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    Burning things in effigy is symbolic (none / 0) (#75)
    by Farmboy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:15:33 PM EST
    of removing them from your life. The noose around the neck? That's symbolic of removing the symbol's life. The Secret Service was right to take a look under that rock to see what was really scurrying around.

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    Another historically tone deaf moment (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:36:36 PM EST
    brought to you by the "time to reload crowd."

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    Clueless to an extent -- mainly angry (none / 0) (#126)
    by Cream City on Fri May 21, 2010 at 10:47:02 PM EST
    and in interesting ways -- as it is a major Democratic stronghold.  National pols all stop there on the campaign trail.

    However, it is hit hard and hurting.  A major early factory town (aka Allis-Chalmers) next to Milwaukee, burned bad in the Rustbelt era, when it ost that factory and others due to federal funding that actually helped many manufacturers move to the South.  It started to recover in recent decades -- only to be hit again and be hurt badly by this economy.  Many residents also remained in manufacturing work but traveled a few miles farther to work, into Milwaukee -- the number-one manufacturing city in the country by some measures, until now.  

    The hit and the hurt also are being multiplied by several federal policies.  The city will no longer be a city with this census; it lost population in the last three years, went below 60,000, so is losing more federal funding (60,000 is a major benchmark for such funding).  Foreclosures are up a lot there, folks losing homes in families for generations.  

    Plus it's the home of the oldest veterans' home and hospital in the country, from the Civil War era, and there have been more federal funding cuts with talk of closing and selling off parts of the vets' grounds, another cause for anger.  Those bars are popular with lots of the ambulatory vets.

    It also is reliant on the state's number-one industry, tourism -- in part as the home of one of the most massive state fairs in the country.  Tourism also is getting killed here.  The seasonal jobs just aren't there, the ones that helped the working-class kids go to voc tech school -- and increasingly to go to college, the first in their families to do so, until now.

    There probably is some racial element, as it is a primarily white town -- and with the population loss, it increasingly is filling empty seats in its schools by increasing participation in the local school integration program with Milwaukee.  That means some more African American kids in the schools.   On the other hand, the factories became integrated from the WWII era on, so a lot of the factory folks are pretty used to that.

    Another factor may be more related to ethnicity; it is seeing many more Hispanics, moving due west from a major barrio across the Milwaukee border.

    In sum, there are so many factors fueling anger for the working-class, the people getting hit so hard -- and running out of unemployment comp by now, not finding even seasonal work, being run out of their homes, etc.  Federal policies are making it worse, not better.  I've said it before: stimulus funds just have not come here.

    Btw, we just got back from Illinois, where signs are all over the place about this project and that project "brought to you by the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act."  We have not seen a single such sign here.  We said so to the Illini, and they were stunned -- they really have no idea how much different it is across the border in Obama's home state vs. others.
     

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    Meanwhile (none / 0) (#131)
    by jondee on Sat May 22, 2010 at 12:16:13 AM EST
    Sometime visitors from other sites are talking about going to D.C for "rat hunts"..

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    Poor Miss USA... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:01:16 PM EST
    she can't win...from infidel floozy to Hezbollah spy in a few short days...why can't I help but think that makes the most perfect Miss USA for this most confusing time in America.

    please (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:04:21 PM EST
    Debbie Schlussel???

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    been to (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:15:58 PM EST
    Google today.

    you can even play it with the arrow keys.

    coooooool

    Yeah... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:20:19 PM EST
    I still can't resist parting with a quarter when I pass one by...as someone in the industry you must really marvel at how far we've come.

    Now...the age old question, is PacMan a speed-freak?

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    how far we have come (none / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:22:13 PM EST
    true enough but has anyone ever made a game more fun than PacMan?


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    It is an amazing game ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:25:32 PM EST
    though as eighties coin-ops go, I always preferred the vector graphics games.

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    they definitely looked cooler (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:27:10 PM EST
    but I always thought PM was the winner in the pure ole fun department.

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    Sweet simplicity has its charms... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:27:41 PM EST
    but if we're playing desert island video game I want my GTA...there is no better more entertaining way to safely dispose of police state angst.

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    oh yeah (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:30:21 PM EST
    I take it you have not played Saints Row.

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    seriously (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:33:35 PM EST
    I am biased because SR is one of our "tent poles" but personally I think it is way way more fun than GTA.  and you get to attack police with a sh!t cannon.

    nuf said?

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    They should move you over to sales:)... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:35:58 PM EST
    I so rarely play, but you're tempting me to up my game collection from 2 to 3.

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    honestly (none / 0) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:44:21 PM EST
    if you buy one, I say buy that one.

    it is GTA but really really fun.  for one thing there is an extensive player character designer.
    so you can play as a 300lb transvestite biker.

    or other things.

    When people see Saints Row 2 they'll instantly think of Grand Theft Auto IV. It's inevitable. It moves similarly, the scenes have the same saturated lighting and there are several parallels that can be drawn between the gameplay of the two. Heck, the text is even color coded in a similar way for mission objectives. But, be warned, Saints Row 2 is most certainly not GTA.

    Thankfully this is one imitator that turns out to be much more than a straight carbon copy. In fact, Saints Row 2 takes GTA's gameplay, turns it on its side and sends it rolling down a mountain filled with land mines, roving monster trucks and ninjas. Lots and lots of ninjas.

    What does that translate to in terms of quality? A crazy good time. Saints Row 2 may not be as pretty or have the production values of Rockstar's rock star, but it does offer hours of zany entertainment that will please fans of open world gangster gaming.

    ps
    fwiw it was never meant as a mee-too.  in fact it was indevelopment before gta.  but who cares.

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    pinball (none / 0) (#39)
    by CST on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:30:34 PM EST
    tetris maybe?

    I was a tetris playing freak.  Negative scores and stuff cuz my computer couldn't count that high.  Used to see shapes falling when I shut my eyes and dream about that.

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    tetris lives (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:32:17 PM EST
    on the back of my toilet

    tmi?

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    Yeah, I just saw that too ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:20:47 PM EST
    love it!

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    How annoying is the Google logo today? (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:40:55 PM EST
    The sounds are cute once, for about 2 seconds...

    Sorry, I posted before I saw the above (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:47:20 PM EST
    very positive Google subthread. Didn't mean to harsh your mellow.

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    meh (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:51:46 PM EST
    we in the game industry are used to it.

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    different strokes (none / 0) (#60)
    by CST on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:57:24 PM EST
    for different folks.

    Wouldn't life be boring if everyone always agreed on everything?

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    what (none / 0) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 02:57:11 PM EST
    enthusiasm gap?

    Washington (CNN) - In the battle for campaign cash, the Democratic National Committee brought in $10.4 million dollars last month, outraising the Republican National Committee by $3.5 million.

     

    Yet, (none / 0) (#73)
    by jbindc on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:14:37 PM EST
    There's this:

    Senate and House GOP committees raised more money in April than their Democratic counterparts.

    The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) outraised the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) by roughly $2 million in the past month, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) raised $1.3 million more than the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings.

    Republicans hope to win back one of the two chambers this fall, though Democrats were energized Tuesday when they retained a House seat in Pennsylvania in what was seen as a swing district.

    Though there was good fundraising news for Republicans from the campaign committees, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) dwarfed the Republican National Committee (RNC) in fundraising.

    So what does it mean?  More localized money going to help specific Republicans and more money flowing for the general coffers of the Dems?

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    it means (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:16:29 PM EST
    people are not giving Micheal Steel money to pi$$ away on strippers.

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    Figures... (none / 0) (#91)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:51:06 PM EST
    the best use of GOP coffer-cash in years and the flock objects...college ain't cheap.

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    It's interesting that the two ... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:24:39 PM EST
    shortfalls almost cancel each other out.  Dems raise $3.5 million more at the party level, Pugs raise $3.3 million more on the congressional committee front.

     

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    WP article this afternoon (none / 0) (#104)
    by mmc9431 on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:42:52 PM EST
    "The pattern represents a distinct change from a year ago, when Barack Obama was sworn into office and Democrats took control of Congress. Back then, corporate political action committees made a shift to the Democrats, giving 58 percent of their donations to the party. So far this year, only 48 percent of the contributions from big business are going to the Democrats".

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    dont you think (none / 0) (#105)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:55:10 PM EST
    that may have something to do with HCR and banking regs

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    Yep, I think so (none / 0) (#112)
    by christinep on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:24:31 PM EST
    What about others?

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    Partly (none / 0) (#134)
    by jbindc on Sat May 22, 2010 at 09:41:22 AM EST
    Also called "hedging your bets" since the president's party tends to lose seats during mid-term elections, and with the anti-incumbent mood out there, businesses are gambling.  Don't think they aren't giving to Dems too - they just are giving more to Repubs.

    And depending on what day it is and who you are reading, the Repubs are in dissarray (don't believe it) or are poised to make some inroads in their numbers (more likely, but overblown by conservative sites).  While there are some R's out there doing their impersonation of "Stupid Political Tricks", there are many others at the state and local level who are quietly raising money and striking a chord with indies.  And just because they have the Rand Pauls et al, doesn't mean people are liking the Dems any better - it isn't mutually exclusive.  People are ANGRY and want change - you know, what they were promised in 2008 which hasn't come about.

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    Legislative Dolt of the day... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:10:32 PM EST
    some knucklehead state senator from my island teams up with Ticketmaster with an idea to combat ticket scalping...go cashless on all tickets, cc only, and your credit card is your ticket, along with ID.  Poof...scalping is gone, along with some of your liberty.

    The system thwarts illegal scalpers by requiring fans to buy tickets with credit cards - and swiping the same card and showing identification when they get to the venue.

    But the system also stops people from giving the tickets to a third party, like a friend or family member. Any resale has to be done through a site controlled by Ticketmaster, which gets a service fee.

    Hopefully this goes nowhere...

    You realize, of course (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:15:23 PM EST
    This is the wave of the future, right?

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:24:59 PM EST
    I'm waiting on the federal law requiring a bank account...I smell it coming, for the "common good".

    I'm just hoping beyond hope that cash holds on for 40 more years...that should be more than enough.  And if not, the bush doctor better set up a dummy company to swipe my government issue plastic.

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    dude (none / 0) (#84)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:26:44 PM EST
    I have the perfect solution.  start your own bank.

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    Already have... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:30:37 PM EST
    I'm just the only depositor...occasionally I'll perform a loan, but my conscience does not allow any interest to be charged.

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    Kdog does realize this, (none / 0) (#88)
    by Zorba on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:35:45 PM EST
    And will fight it with every fiber of his being, resisting to the end.  Not that I can blame him.  ;-)

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    how stupid...so everyone in the group (none / 0) (#80)
    by ruffian on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:21:52 PM EST
    has to either buy their own ticket or get swiped through with the guy with the CC? Ridiculous.

    I'm a free marketer when it comes to tickets. As long as there are people willing to pay but not willing or able to stand in line themselves, there will be scalpers and I don't have a problem with it.

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    The cyber-scalpers... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:28:11 PM EST
    how buy all the prime seats with bots and sh*t are a problem, p*sses me off...but this is one of our famous solutions that is 10x worse than the disease.

    I say take it back to the old school, sleeping on the sidewalk for prime seats, limit 4 per customer.  Wait on line, get first dibs...start selling on the internet after everyone who came in person is served.  If the scalpers pay the homeless to sleep on line, so be it...job creation.

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    Yep... (none / 0) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 03:48:01 PM EST
    ...that's what prevented me from getting World Series tickets a few years ago.  

    Why should out-of-state concerns with no intention of attending the game get all the tickets?  Just ain't right.

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    Old school... (none / 0) (#119)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:11:35 PM EST
    ...free tickets to the Ryan Bingham show in Camden.  

    They're playing freakin' Comfort Dental Amphitheatre here.  Unfortunately, I long ago vowed to never set foot in that authoritarian corporate hellhole ever again.

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    Hmm...do they provide (none / 0) (#136)
    by ruffian on Sat May 22, 2010 at 09:53:42 AM EST
    happy gas at Comfort Dental stadium? Might be a fun show.

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    Forgot about the bots (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Sat May 22, 2010 at 09:51:46 AM EST
    That is a big problem. But I'm with you,there has to be a better way to deal with that.

    I like your idea- don't start Internet sales until a day later. Give the local fans a shot first.

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    So much for sitting with (none / 0) (#103)
    by nycstray on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:22:21 PM EST
    friends at concerts!

    So they think we would buy a couple tickets and sell back to TM and pay a fee so we can go to a show together? Really?

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    Maybe they have a registration process... (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Fri May 21, 2010 at 05:11:43 PM EST
    planned, where the purchaser must enter "name/dob/address/phone/email/ss#cc#/race
    gender/bloodtype/criminal record/high school gpa"
    for each member of their party...you can make cash sellin' that juicy info too...like a bonus.

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    I tried the credit card as ticket choice (none / 0) (#111)
    by oculus on Fri May 21, 2010 at 07:20:38 PM EST
    for a play off game at Petco.  My printer wasn't working and this was the other no cost choice.  But-- cards wouldn't properly swipe at the gates so had to stand in looooong line to get paper ticket.  Frustrating.

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    Judge rules against Bagram detainees (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:01:23 PM EST
    Says Boumediene does not apply.

    WASHINGTON -- A federal appeals court ruled on Friday that prisoners being held without trial in Afghanistan by the military have no right to challenge their imprisonment in American civilian courts. The decision, overturning a lower court ruling in the detainees' favor, was a victory for the Obama administration's efforts to hold terrorism suspects overseas for extended periods without judicial oversight.

    In a unanimous 26-page ruling, a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that detainees who were captured outside of Afghanistan and brought to a military prison at the Bagram air base have no right to a hearing in which a judge would review the evidence against them and could potentially order their release.

    Such habeas corpus rights do "not extend to aliens held in executive detention in the Afghan theater of war," wrote David B. Sentelle, the chief judge of the appeals court, who was appointed by former President Ronald Reagan. His opinion was joined by Judges Harry T. Edwards, a Carter appointee, and David S. Tatel, a Clinton appointee.

    The panel's ruling reversed an April 2009 decision by a district court judge, John D. Bates, who had found that such detainees had the same constitutional rights that the Supreme Court has granted to similar prisoners who were flown to the military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, instead of Bagram.



    check out those drumsticks (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 21, 2010 at 04:08:02 PM EST
    seriously its enough to put you off chicken.

    if this is a promotion for a food joint its a bad idea.

    There's a ... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Robot Porter on Fri May 21, 2010 at 05:23:36 PM EST
    "tastes like chicken" joke in there somewhere, but I'll leave the full expression of that joke to others.

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    Facebook (none / 0) (#115)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 21, 2010 at 08:12:36 PM EST
    in the news. Not just in Pakistan. Oregon/Portland has a site called BlueOregon.com which discusses local issues and politics. Its OK, a bit annoying, but what isn't? Anyhow I went to see discussion of our local elections and apparently no one can comment except via their facebook page. I find this really creepy. One thing was that certain people could make negative comments about officials etc without reprisal since it was anonymous. No longer.

    And now Huffington Post has these creepy "badges" that remind me of the scientologists in the movie Bowfinger.

    It's hailing (none / 0) (#116)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 21, 2010 at 09:01:24 PM EST
    uh.... happy spring?  It's hailing.  Weird.  My dog hates it when it hails.  She just crawled under my desk to hide.

    It's still March here . . . (none / 0) (#133)
    by nycstray on Sat May 22, 2010 at 01:15:19 AM EST
    or so they told me on the news yesterday. The wind here has my dog alerting me constantly as it sounds like people are dancing on my front porch or approaching the door.

    Sending comforting thoughts to your pup. Mine has 'storm issues', so very familiar with the hiding :(

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    Big Dog for Lincoln (none / 0) (#137)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 11:47:49 AM EST
    Bill Clinton is heading to Arkansas next Friday to campaign for Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D), who is currently in a tight runoff with Lt. Gov. Bill Halter.

    TPM
    Interesting in that Halter, Lincolns opponent in the run off, served under Bill Clinton, and was

    a senior adviser in the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in 1993. He advised on a range of policy issues, reviewed and evaluated budgets and management practices of Federal cabinet departments, presented budget options to the President, and formulated Administration positions on domestic and international policy issues. He also coordinated the work of the President's Management Council, a group consisting of the Chief Operating Officers of the Federal Cabinet departments. During Halter's six years at OMB, the government's $290 billion budget deficit was transformed into a $125 billion surplus, and the United States experienced its first balanced budget in 40 years.

    wiki

    John Boozman the GOP contender, is ahead of both Halter and Lincoln,  by double digits.

    Hey Squeaky (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Sat May 22, 2010 at 12:28:19 PM EST
    Did you see that "rat hunt" post over ta' Tall Cotton? Should we be worried (I mean, besides the obvious mental health concerns)?

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    Nah (none / 0) (#140)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 01:24:19 PM EST
    Just the usual racist, homophobic, bigoted trash... I am sure that he picked it up from some wingnut source.. as we all know, that even off his meds, his imagination is quite limited.

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    Just a tad too (none / 0) (#141)
    by jondee on Sat May 22, 2010 at 01:35:33 PM EST
    much of that "huntin'", "time to reload", sanctity-of-firearms symbolism -- for my taste -- coming from that quarter lately..

    I keep flashing on those Bircher "Wanted: For Treason" posters people were putting up in Dallas in '63.

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    Well (none / 0) (#142)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 02:05:35 PM EST
    Hopefully they will secede, and spend their time trying to overthrow Mexico... A new, new world for them to tame and dominate... lol

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    But (none / 0) (#143)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 02:12:38 PM EST
    Your point is well taken, and sadly on target. The number of white wingers toting guns and making threats has exponentially increased.

    ppj, is no doubt a cheerleader, although like his membership to the 101 keyboard brigade, aviation division, his bedwetting will more than likely keep him away from DC and busy mopping up the leaks on the plantation floors.

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    What am I not getting (none / 0) (#144)
    by jondee on Sat May 22, 2010 at 03:01:19 PM EST
    about this marriage of Bible and bullets?

    Im no theologian, but isnt there something written in there about "perfect love casting out all fear"?

    Or did I just misread it and it actually says perfectly developed right wing paranoia shall leadeth thee to the Guns and Ammo in aisle 12?

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    More Like Stupidity (none / 0) (#145)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 03:12:59 PM EST
    Many religious freaks, justify violence... to protect their right to practice peace, or something like that.

    ppj, the great social liberal, loathes Muslims who hate gays. The answer, kill them.

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    the gays (none / 0) (#146)
    by jondee on Sat May 22, 2010 at 03:16:22 PM EST
    or the Muslims?

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    Depends Who They Are (none / 0) (#147)
    by squeaky on Sat May 22, 2010 at 04:16:19 PM EST
    His goal posts, not only have wheels, but wings..

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    From what I read about it, (none / 0) (#139)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat May 22, 2010 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    Clinton is fulfilling a promise made to Blanche before Halter entered the race.

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