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Does Making Fun Of Tom Friedman Still Matter?

There was a a time when I wrote about the Media as much as anything. Now I almost never write about the Media. Mostly I suppose it is because it does not interest me anymore. But part of it is because I think it does not matter very much. Tom Friedman's ridiculous column on the Tea Partiers garnered a lot of ridicule. I do not question that the ridicule is appropriate. Indeed, Tom Friedman is the most ridiculous figure in the Media. But does Tom Friedman matter? Steve Benen writes:

One of the reasons I'm inclined to write about the Tea Partiers is that there are still many in the political establishment who believe the political mainstream should do more to take the Tea Party crowd and its hysterical cries seriously. [. . .] Thomas Friedman has a column today suggesting Tea Partiers strive to "become something more than just entertainment for Fox News."

Steve believes that Tom Friedman still matters. Does he? I seriously doubt it. Indeed, I ask for any evidence that anything Tom Friedman has written or said has affected the policy discourse since Iraq. Friedman provides fodder for ridicule. But little else. Ezra Klein is much more influential now imo.

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    by par4 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:21:30 AM EST
    I quit reading Ezra a month or so after he moved to the WaPo. I can't stand that paper so I don't read it. I also quit watching the Sunday gasbags and 90% of the cable news shows. When Keith and Rachel start reporting on what the wing-nuts are saying I turn them off also.

    A lot of pundits (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:39:01 AM EST
    are spending a lot of time lately writing up irrelevant B.S. because they are too afraid to touch what is relevant and what needs to be currently discussed.......cowards

    Well, sure (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Kimberley on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 08:46:34 AM EST
    It's a zero-risk endeavor.

    Even public irrelevance, the kind that Friedman's experiencing now, is painless for him. The insular world he's a part of still cuts him a check, politely refuses to make a big deal of his often tragic errors and allows him to play a role in establishing the standards of journalistic and commentary excellence instead.

    The Mustache of Understanding wins no matter what happens.

    Klein's order in the lineup will simply be reshuffled like this too, eventually.

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    Tom Friedman (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Pat Johnson on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 08:58:20 AM EST
    He became irrelevant with his support in the run up to the Iraq War.  He managed to qualify the Bush policy for illegal invasion by strongly suggesting that this action was actually "good" for the Middle East.  For a man who has made a living covering the mid east conflict for so many years it was a sorry indication that Tom had indeed chosen to throw in his lot with the dark side.  

    History has proven that theory but Friedman sold out back then and his credibility has suffered greatly as a result.  Paying attention to Tom Friedman these days is as relevant as suggesting that Bill Kristol knows what he is talking about!

    I agree that Tom Friedman (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 10:00:15 AM EST
    has not influenced policy "since Iraq", if we mean since his beating of the drum for the invasion.  But Iraq is not yet in our past, and Friedman is sure trying to influence and revise history, with his faux regrets betrayed by continuing and fanciful justifications for a "decent outcome", whatever that means to him.  His March 9, 2010 column is an example when he declared that Bush's gut instinct that the region craved and needed democracy was right.  The shortcoming he wrote was "it should have and could have been pursued with much better planning and execution."  If I had a cream pie at the ready, I would have thrown it at the op-ed page on which it appeared.

    Yeah, it does. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:39:28 AM EST
    Like it or not Friedman is still an opinion maker.  I realized this a couple of weeks ago when I went to hear him speak here.  The place was packed.  He was the biggest draw of a lecture series that is held in our symphony hall.

    I doubt Ezra could have filled the first ten rows.  

    There are different kinds of influence.  Influencing group think is an important kind of influence than influencing policy makers with policy arguments.

    Name an issue please (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:50:48 AM EST
    One that Friedman has influenced.

    I'm not talking name recognition. I am talking influence in the policy process.

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    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 08:40:50 AM EST
    Part of that, I think, though I only read him very occasionally now, is that since the Iraq debacle, he's been floundering.  The bizarre, flailing tea party column is Example A.  I do watch/read a lot of media, and I haven't heard his name mentioned in a long, long time, and it used to be invoked frequently.

    I'll give him this much.  Unlike most Iraq war boosters, he's had the good grace to lose a big part of his certainty since having to admit he got that wrong.

    But he's so lost, you can't even get a chuckle out of calling him "the mustache of understanding," as Atrios used to.

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    Iraq (none / 0) (#6)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:58:24 AM EST
    He convinced otherwise sane readers that they are wrong to be concerned.  He didn't change the Bush policy.  He enabled it.

    That's influence.

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    I stated in my post (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:59:42 AM EST
    "since Iraq."

    NOW I posit Tom Friedman does not matter.

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    ok (none / 0) (#8)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 08:36:04 AM EST
    I can't name one because I no longer read him.  But a person who can draw 4,000 people in red Missouri to hear him talk about how you might not be insane if you support climate change legislation has influence.  It isn't the same kind of influence, but it is influence.   In the same way that David Brooks has influence.  

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    With respect (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 08:45:15 AM EST
    that's not influence, that's people going to hear somebody say what they want to hear.  Plus he's a very entertaining speaker if you haven't already been worn out by his mannerisms.

    I think what BTD is talking about is influence in political and policy making circles.

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    Branding (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 11:07:07 AM EST
    He is a brand. Nothing new, just a known quantity, imo. I do not think that is influence, more like comfort for those who already know the lines.

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    his job is (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 05:04:15 PM EST
    more to "catapult the propaganda" to the people through his (always) instantaneous best sellers, than to influence policy.

    When all is said and done, he's about credible as an innovative thinker as Beck, Olbermann or Bernie Goldberg, imo.

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    I suppose there a few (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 07:47:40 AM EST
    Conservatives out there too looking for a talking point, something to further their personal agenda and anything they could argue is grounded in any sort of credibility.  I read Krugman for the same reason....and I'm usually disappointed lately :)

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    But what abut the idea? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Manuel on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 12:07:58 PM EST
    I don't read Friedman much but the idea of taxing imported oil has policy and political appeal.  Friedman isn't the first to propose it.

    Every bit helps. n/t (none / 0) (#16)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 12:38:23 PM EST


    So, are 'Friedman units' still in the (none / 0) (#17)
    by oldpro on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 04:39:45 PM EST
    lexicon?

    One of my favorites.  Should be on his tombstone.

    Is this backwards day? (none / 0) (#19)
    by s5 on Mon Apr 26, 2010 at 05:53:31 PM EST
    The Obama administration's entire energy and climate policy is STRAIGHT from Thomas Friedman, especially where it overlaps with national security. Obama once famously talked up Friedman's "Hot, Flat and Crowded" at a campaign stop during the election, and just about everything related to energy that he and Hillary Clinton have done since taking office have been directly influenced by what Friedman has been writing about for years before they took office.

    Yes, Friedman was hopelessly wrong on Iraq. But he's correct on climate and energy, and he was one of the first people to successfully link climate issues with national security issues. Here he is, writing about it in January 2005:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/opinion/30friedman.html


    Hmmm, fame or influence? (none / 0) (#20)
    by DancingOpossum on Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 09:22:28 AM EST
    I don't know how to parse out the difference between "fame" or "celebrity" from "influence" when it comes to political pundits. Put it this way: Friedman's books are best-sellers, and almost everyone I know has heard of him or has some sense of his ideas. This includes people who don't  follow politics, or do so only on a cursory level.

    Whereas Ezra Klein--nope, sorry, nobody outside of the blogosphere or really inner-D.C.-insider-baseball circles has ever heard of him. And I include people who read the Washington Post and follow politics on some level. He is anything but a household name the way Friedman is.

    OK, so you're arguing that Friedman is simply more famous. And true, that doesn't always equate to influential. So where is Klein's influence being manifested? Is it on the White House, on the Hill?  Do our congresscritters wait to read his pearls of wisdom and think "boy, that Ezra sure has some good ideas about XX, we should take those into consideration?" Or is more likely that they say "Wow, Thomas Friedman sure can reach a lot of people, maybe we need him to catapult some of this here propaganda for us?"  I don't know, but I suspect that the latter is more likely.