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    I'll open with (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:08:47 PM EST
    ...a statement I read on another blog.

    "Nobody will win the Republican nomination. The Republican candidate will be the one who doesn't lose it."

    Or (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:28:10 PM EST
    The Republican nomination will follow Iowa by going off the deep end. Here are the top 3 in the latest Iowa GOP poll out today by Monmouth:

    Trump 23%
    Carson 23%
    Fiorina 10%

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    I saw a Carson bumper sticker yesterday (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:41:48 PM EST
    The better vote, the more informed vote, is Deez Nutz!

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    Sorry...Candidate Deez Nuts (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:46:59 PM EST
    Easy to see why Ben Carson (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:17:45 PM EST
    runs so well with Republicans.  What may seem crazy --not so much with this crowd:   "No war on women, there may be a war on what's inside of women.."  (no clarification needed, perfectly clear, it is just the internal anatomy that is being warred against. So it is OK).   "Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery, worse than World War II, the Great Depression, or 9/11."   (yes, giving Americans health care is easily worse than any horror of history). And, who better to reflect this thinking, "  there is no racial injustice, conflict is just the nature of people."    Carson/Gohmert--2016,  'Asparagus a day keeps the psychiatrist away."

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    Why Ben Carson Is Surging: (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:01:08 PM EST
    CSM

    Intriguing. "Blacker than Obama" [raised in Detroit not Hawaii and mother isn't "white"], has done fetal tissue research, against abortion and same sex marriage. And the GOP can counter the accusation the party is racist.

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    Why Iowa? (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:45:19 PM EST
    A question for Republicans? Is Iowa for Sale?  Some Iowa Republicans fear  that their wholesome, deep-fried butter stick eating voters may feel that their image is tarnished.  

    After the sordid jump of Kent Sorenson, chair of Michele Bachmans Iowa campaign, to Ron Paul's bid in 2011, giving rise to Sorenson's pleading guilty in federal court for taking $70,000, and the charging of three former Paul aides for violating federal laws, including Jessie Benton, a Paul relative by marriage, a new head-spinning mount/dismount has gained headlines.

    Rick Perry's Iowa campaign manager, Sam Clovis, quit the Perry campaign (which was broke) and quickly went to work for Trump as national campaign chair.  Clovis needed a job which is understandable, but this is the same Sam Clovis who just recently said Trump " had no moral center,"   Clovis had much to say about Trump--none flattering.

    Trump's discounting of McCain because he was captured, was greeted by Clovis saying he was offended by a man who sought and gained four deferments to avoid the draft and has never served this nation a day.."  And, since Trump has not asked for God's forgiveness, Clovis said he has "no foundation in Christ."  

    Gee, it is so confusing, last week, it was Perry, now Trump.  And, Perry said Trump was a "cancer"   What is a poor Republican in Iowa to do?   Well, my advice for voters everywhere, outside of Iowa, would be to ignore Iowa.  Or, at least, put it into perspective.

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    There was a lot of publicity (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:01:24 PM EST
    a few years ago about Koch money behind a candidate in a local race in IA. He lost. Iowans are wary.

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    What do you think? Would building a wall across (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29:10 PM EST
    our border w/Canada thwart Democrats from fleeing north if the GOP candidate becomes our Pres.?

    I think a 10 foot high sea wall (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39:15 PM EST
    on the east coast is needed.

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    And then, there's this, from (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:19:26 PM EST
    Andy Borowitz:

    As America's bridges, roads, and other infrastructure dangerously deteriorate from decades of neglect, there is a mounting sense of urgency that it is time to build a giant wall.

    Across the U.S., whose rail system is a rickety antique plagued by deadly accidents, Americans are increasingly recognizing that building a wall with Mexico, and possibly another one with Canada, should be the country's top priority.

    Harland Dorrinson, the executive director of a Washington-based think tank called the Center for Responsible Immigration, believes that most Americans favor the building of border walls over extravagant pet projects like structurally sound freeway overpasses.

    "The estimated cost of a border wall with Mexico is five billion dollars," he said. "We could easily blow the same amount of money on infrastructure repairs and have nothing to show for it but functioning highways."

    [...]

    While some think that America's declining infrastructure is a national-security threat, Dorrinson strongly disagrees. "If immigrants somehow get over the wall, the condition of our bridges and roads will keep them from getting very far," he said.

    Hard to believe it's satire, isn't it?

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    That's not high enough either... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:12:38 PM EST
    you and fishcamp better get crackin' on an Arc, Noah.

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    Not near high enough (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:18:22 PM EST
    A bike path I used to ride as a kid down near Biscayne Bay was a foot under water when I ran near it last week. Those dastardly Europeans will be able to float over a ten foot Atlantic wall and have their anchor babies here someday.

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    I knew that climate change... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:30:12 PM EST
    and rising oceans was a leftist European liberal plot to float their pregnant mistresses over here so we can feed their bastard children, so they can smoke cigarettes and drink wine and make love in non-biblical ways all day and night.

    Thanks Obama;)  

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    - and the downside? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:17:49 PM EST
    Scott Walker's characterization that (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:14:40 PM EST
    a Canadian border wall was a "legitimate issue" to be discussed prompted this from Charlie Pierce:

    Leave aside the basic impracticality of the entire idea - What the hell are you going to do about that part of the border that runs through Lake Superior? Submarine nets? Sonar? Volunteer muskie fishermen with AK's in their boats? Yikes. Forget I said that last part. - and concentrate solely on the fact that, what Walker believes makes this a "legitimate issue for us to look at" is the fact that "some people" at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire brought it up to him. I will pay anyone a shiny buffalo nickel if they will show up at a future town hall meeting in New Hampshire and ask Scott Walker if we should fire sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads into synchronous low earth orbit to prevent undocumented immigrants from Zontar from entering the country. It probably would be declared a "legitimate issue for us to look at."

    (And this is not even to mention the fact that, apparently, Walker is opposed to people crossing our Canadian border but has no problem at all with the world's dirtiest fossil fuel being pumped across that same border and through the richest farmland in the United States. Tar sands don't kill people. People kill people.)

    I hope Walker doesn't read Charlie's column - it might give him some ideas...

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    All we need in Lake Superior (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:42:12 PM EST
    I've been hopping fences and walls... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:50:45 PM EST
    since I could walk...fences with razor wire even. Directly behind my childhood backyard was a factory with a razor wire fence...me and my crew of rapscallions were not deterred.  There isn't a wall high enough to overcome the human spirit.

    Give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above...Don't fence me in.

    Besides, the Great Wall of Fear is old hat, Chris Christie wants to track visitors to our country like UPS Packages.  


    "Thank you for calling ICE.  What would you like to do today?  To track a human being, press 1.

    Ok, track a human being.  Please enter or say your tracking number after the tone.  

    I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.  Please enter or say your tracking number after the tone.

    Thank you.  Your target was last scanned at the 7-11 buying milk and bread at 123 Main St. at 1:53 E.S.T. on August 30 2015.

    What would you like to do now?  To dispatch a surveillance drone to the last tracked location, press 1.  To speak to a Storm Trooper, press 2."  



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    Notice how Christie, Trump (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:55:00 PM EST
    and their talking parrots never suggests how the people who send jobs out of the country should be punished..

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    You're funny... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:10:55 PM EST
    Punished?  That's patriotism.  

    "I pledge allegiance, to the note, that bears a pic of Ben Franklin.  And to the republic, from which it came, f*ck you pay me."

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    I still remember Al Gore explaining (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:26:13 PM EST
    what a marvelous thing it would be for our workers to be able to buy such inexpensive things made in China..

    You know it's getting bad out there when the top Democrat sounds like a self-serving WSJ Op-Ed..

     

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    And his partner in crime Bill Clinton... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:47:11 PM EST
    with that NAFTA mess.

    Divide and economically conquer...a tale as old as time.

    With a working persons party like this, who needs enemies!  And pay no attention to that crotchety old clown Bernie Sanders...he's just a distraction.

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    I hate (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:07:45 PM EST
    to tell you but companies were leaving the country for years before NAFTA came about. At one time all the clothing mills in New England moved south for cheaper labor. Then after that they have been moving around for years. At one point in time it was the Dominican Republic. Then it was places in South America. Now it's China and India.

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    That's just the way it is.. (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:02:54 PM EST
    Some things'll never change..

    The question is, does the investor class here have any civic responsibility over and above parasitizing it's temporary host-nation?

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    Well (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:10:18 PM EST
    that's a different argument. The problem is not trade policies per se so much as the business model most of these companies use. As long as they continue to use the cheap labor model this is going to happen. This is going to take some thinking outside of the box and getting people to realize that employees are valuable resources and not expendable.

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    No doubt... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:09:07 PM EST
    NAFTA just made it worse.

    The problem will exist until people have the same freedom to go where the getting is good, same as the freedom money has. Till then money will go where the people are desperate and trapped. And brave people will continue to break unjust laws to escape that trap.

    Don't forget Haiti and all the fine work the Clinton Foundation did in building sweatshops there.

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    I don't remember what Bernie said (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:19:55 PM EST
    but I do know that Ross Perot opposed it... I think he was the one who coined... "That vast sucking sound..."

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    kdog, I get your point. Walls only work (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:31:13 PM EST
    when you have guards to watch them.

    BTW - I take it you use a computer and talk to customers. Have you considered that your job could be done by someone in India with the picking/shipping done by people who the authorities don't know are here?

    The small town I retired to use to have 6 factories that employed about 7000 people. It now has 2 that employ about 1200 people... The local schools are near collapse, downtown looks like 1929 and much of the old middle class homes section is bad shape.

    But it does have 2 Mexican restaurants and a Walmart.....

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    Jim, have you considered (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:07:53 PM EST
    that for ten years here you've been unashamedly shilling for the side that continually crows that what unfettered market forces do is always for the greater good?

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    No jondee (none / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:30:45 PM EST
    That is not correct and you are just making things up.

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    Funny you should mention that.... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:01:29 PM EST
    One of our large accounts outsourced their purchasing dept. to India...they have no clue what they are purchasing, and our manufacturers are making a killing in restock fees because of it.  RGA after RGA...lol. Whether it's a net loss/gain to the greedy f#ck who owns the place I don't know, but it's comical to witness...and drives his local employees bonkers.

    One manufacturer we rep tried outsourcing their tech support to India...didn't last a year. Sales plummeted...it might fly in some industries, not water heaters. No plumber in the USA wants to troubleshoot an electronic ignition heater that won't ignite with some schmuck with a script in India who's never seen our product.

    As for my gig, they are welcome to try (came here looking for a job, leave here looking for a job) but I doubt it would work...local reps gotta be local.
    And I'd feel bad for the poor slob in India who had to deal with some of the winners I deal with daily;)

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    Dammit, kdog, now I've got (none / 0) (#154)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:53:11 PM EST
    an earworm of Cole Porter (ref #17). Although I readily acknowledge that it could be worse.

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    Wisconsin media are calling it (none / 0) (#160)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:51:29 PM EST
    . . . "the Poutine Curtain."

    (Poutine is popular in Wisconsin, not that Walker knows any history -- or he would know that the state, for more than a century before it became part of the U.S., was part of Nouvelle France.  And many of us are descendants of French Canadians.)

    A few more national media finally appear to be figuring out that Walker is a pandering fool.  

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    Per executive order, and in advance of ... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:33:59 PM EST
    ... his upcoming trip to Alaska, has President Obama has restored the original native Alaskan name of Denali, which at 20,237 feet tall is North America's highest peak. Predictably and tiresomely, Republicans are already criticizing Obama for removing the name of Mt. McKinley as an act of executive overreach.

    But the actual fact of the matter is that the mountain has always been called Denali by most Alaskans, native and non-native alike. The mountain and its vicinity were designated a national Park by Congress in February 1917, but only on condition that both be officially renamed after our nation's most imperialistic president, which has been a particular sore point with Alaska's native peoples.

    With the passage of the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act in 1980, the name of Mt. McKinley National Park was officially changed to Denali National Park and Preserve, when its parklands were combined with those of surrounding Denali National Monument. However, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names refused to recognize any such change in the name of the mountain itself, and so it officially remained Mt. McKinley until today's executive order.

    Kudos to Obama for doing the right thing.

    And you haven't the slightest (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:16:16 PM EST
    understanding why Trump is winning.

    I bet he could have hugged Obama's neck when he heard about this latest bit of arrogant stupidity.  

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    He might be winning the (none / 0) (#43)
    by CST on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:28:21 PM EST
    Republican nomination.

    He won't be the next president.

    There's more of us than there are of you.

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    No, there's not. (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:33:32 PM EST
    wanna bet? (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CST on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:35:27 PM EST
    He's losing every single head-to-head poll.  You've lost the last two presidential elections against a black guy with the middle name Hussein who has been painted as an evil dictator by everyone on the right wing.

    You can lie, but the numbers won't.

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    Fool me twice (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:55:10 PM EST
    same on me....

    You ain't gonna do it again.

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    even the republican (none / 0) (#50)
    by CST on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    house and senate lost the popular vote in the last election.

    So while you may have the seats in congress - you certainly don't have the voter numbers.  And gerrymandering won't help win presidential elections.

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    The number of mid term voters, (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:58:32 PM EST
    I will guess, ks always less than a presidential election.

    Both McCain and Romney were not popular with the Repub base. But even so, had as many Repubs voted for Romney as they did McCain, Romney would have won.

    The real question is, what else will Obama do to help get the base out??

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    I can't (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:33:01 PM EST
    speak for anybody else here but I know the reason why. It's called "white power".

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    So that is why the Deputy was assassinated?? (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:35:05 PM EST
    You gonna take some blame for that?

    BTW - I see that no one around here has even mentioned it.

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    Oh, yes (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:38:14 PM EST
    Fox News lying to you again. so what else is new? And you are once again totally missing the point. Pointing that kind of thing out is what white power people do.

    Jim it's never going to be 1950 again where you're going to be on the top of the heap because of the color of your skin. Where you get special privileges because of the color of your skin and everybody else knew "their place".

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    The video lies??? Really??? (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:53:03 PM EST
    Even for you that is a bit much.

    Surveillance video from the gas station showed Goforth, 47, had just come out of a convenience store after he had pumped gas and that Miles got out of his red truck, she said.

    "He runs up behind Deputy Goforth and puts the gun to the back of his head and shoots. Deputy Goforth hits the ground and then he continues to unload his gun, shooting repeatedly into the back of Deputy Goforth," Anderson said.

    Goforth was shot 15 times and a witness saw the shooting, Anderson said. She said the shell casings match the .40-caliber Smith and Wesson handgun found at Miles' home.

    Link

    Do police lives matter?

    And I missed out on all those special deals and so did the rest of the poor people of all colors.

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by vicndabx on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:30:18 PM EST
    Was talking to my wife about this very attitude.

    The point of BLM is not that any life matters less. The hashtag reppresents the idea that there are issues faced in black communities that are not faced elsewhere.

    Advocacy for specific issues is just that. I'd think you would understand that.  That's what our representative democracy is about.

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    I have no problem with single (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:20:13 PM EST
    issue advocacy but when the chant is

    Pigs in a blanket - Fry'em like bacon

    It appears that the advocacy is to kill cops.

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    C'mon Jim (none / 0) (#163)
    by vicndabx on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 10:34:37 PM EST
    I agree the choice of words is a poor one.  Surely you researched the chant further and discovered statements that confirmed what they actually meant. No need to infer.

    The meaning is police should be subject to the same scrutiny as those they police.

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    How (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:11:43 PM EST
    is this different then this or this The police are facing unprovoked attacks from many directions.

    There is a creeping anarchy spilling into our streets, with the police sometimes fighting it, sometimes contributing to it and sometimes paying the ultimate price for it.

    It's a little late to start pointing fingers at anybody for the random acts of violence that has enveloped us.

     

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    Quit selling guns to every (none / 0) (#99)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:25:24 PM EST
    homicidal maniac that can pony up the dough. How about that?

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    Please explain why Trump is (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:13:40 PM EST
    winning amongst the GOP candidates so far.

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    No, let's please don't. (none / 0) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:07:29 PM EST
    This is about Denali, not Donald Trump.

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    The parent of my comment (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:40:32 PM EST
    is about Trump.

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    To answer your question (none / 0) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:32:40 PM EST
    Trump is leading among potential GOP voters because Republicans have come to realize that their GOP politicians aren't very good.

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    Becuase Trump voices (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:15:48 PM EST
    the racist, bigoted and misogynist attitudes that predominate in the Republican Party's base.

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    Why does Obama hate America (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    Coming to a Fox news broadcast near you.

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    Now the Pres... (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:54:17 PM EST
    is just f8cking with them, and I love it!

    Another 16 months of this please!  And don't forget the 500,000 presidential pardons.

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    Now, to get rid of the name Mount Rushmore (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:49:54 PM EST
    and go back to the original Six Grandfathers. And while they're at it, get out the dynamite and sandblasters..

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    FYI: The little tunnel behind Mt. Rushmore (none / 0) (#21)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:56:01 PM EST
    is the George Dubya Bush monument.

    FYI.  Little known.

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    They should make it a vertical tunnel (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:08:19 PM EST
    and put a little seat over it.

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    I prefer that we leave both Mt. Rushmore ... (none / 0) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:14:48 PM EST
    ... and Stone Mountain standing, so that future generations of Americans can likely see them exactly for what they truly are -- misguided monuments to our own self-righteous sanctimony, derived at the expense of mother Nature herself.

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    Kudos to the Pres. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:16:54 PM EST
    But I must confess I had never heard of the term "Athabascan people."  

    It's interesting that McKinley was the nominee, not the elected Pres. when the gold-standard loving prospector "discovered" and named the mountain. But Boehner asserts "McKinley" was chosen to honor McKinley's legacy as Pres.  

    BTW, the NYT comments re the GOP protest are very amusing. Such as: let them name Ohio for McKinley!

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    Campbell Hill in Ohio (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:29:21 PM EST
    LOL! (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:18:08 PM EST
    Somehow, and this is truly sad, I can see them actually doing something stupid like that.

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    McKinley's mountainless legacy: (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:11:37 PM EST
    I've never understood how ... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:14:43 PM EST
    ... a white man could "discover" a mountain in 1897 that native people have known about for a millenium. It's like the notion of Captain James Cook as the great explorer and navigator who "discovered" Hawaii, when the Polynesian people had been regularly voyaging across the Pacific to there and elsewhere for well over 1,000 years.

    Further, it's not as Denali is some obscure geographic point off the beaten path. the mountain is so massive that it can be seen from Anchorage, which is 150 miles away. And if you doubt that, then please check out this webcam from Denali Towers in Anchorage, because it's a bright, beautiful and clear day up there and there it is, rising in the distance.

    Aloha.

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    The more important question (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:41:06 PM EST
    What does Sarah Palin think? Damn it, Obama did something Alaskans reverted to long ago and the Republicans in Alaska are very happy today.

    "For decades, Alaskans and members of our congressional delegation have been fighting for Denali to be recognized by the federal government by its true name. I'm gratified that the president respected this." - Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska

    "I'd like to thank the president for working with us to achieve this significant change to show honor, respect, and gratitude to the Athabascan people of Alaska," Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska


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    Donald, if you weren't so busy looking (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:43:31 PM EST
    for something to apologize for in regards to European culture even you would understand.

    e.g. Columbus discovered America because his culture didn't know it existed. Some white guy discovered Mt  McKinley because no one from his culture knew about it.

    Think of someone telling you, "Hey, there's this great restaurant over at the yacht basin that I just discovered."

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    There never was one "European Culture".. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:26:15 PM EST
    some of the Spanish worked the Indians to death in the mines, while Spanish Dominican Brothers protested the appalling conditions and disgusting treatment the Indians endured..

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    Okie Dokie (none / 0) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:46:37 PM EST
    The Spanish culture was different from the English... that doesn't change my point.

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    My point was that there wasn't one Spanish culture (none / 0) (#109)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:56:13 PM EST
    or one English culture..

    As upsetting as that reality may be for you one-religion, one-language, one-party, one-race folks..

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    De Las Casas (none / 0) (#149)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:21:26 PM EST
    protested the violent conversions of the Conquistadors.  He proposed a peaceful outreach to the K'ekchi Maya.  They had been to fierce to conquer, but De Las Casas won their friendship peacefully.  The land he did this is in the Guatemalan province Alta Verapaz (land of true peace.)  I used to live there.

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    So what, Jim! (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:44:28 PM EST
    Comparing the renaming of Denali as Mt. McKinley as somehow analogous with someone's restaurant recommendation is truly stupid and inane, even for you.

    And it simply typifies the problem you pose here. You barge headlong into other people's conversations with ad hominem provocations, without every really pausing to actually consider what anyone is actually saying.

    Your mindlessly confrontational behavior, and your generally unpleasant demeanor which accompanies it, serves only to degrade and coarsen the overall quality of the dialogue here. And quite frankly, it's beyond tiresome.

    I've got better things to do than dance to your tune.

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    Donald, we both know that you see the (none / 0) (#108)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:53:37 PM EST
    point and understand why people say Cook discovered Hawaii. And yes, somewhere and sometimes in the past some Polynesian person came back and said, "You guys should see the islands I discovered!"

    The point is that you are so strung up over diversity that everything the Europeans did is bad and evil.

    Guess what. By our standards today they were mean. But they didn't do human sacrifices and they didn't practice ritual cannibalism.

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    Go burn your cross in someone else's yard. (3.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:00:55 PM EST
    Everything Europeans did.. (none / 0) (#115)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:08:50 PM EST
    Jim, if that ludicrous straw man were any bigger, it would be rampaging through Tokyo..

    You're singing a little wildly there, aren't you, fella?

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    swinging.. (none / 0) (#117)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:11:33 PM EST
    like Michael Savage, Beck and company..which is probably where you get that sh*te from..

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    Donald, you like to write about your family (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:12:30 PM EST
    so let me remind you that I saw my father toss a supposed friend out of our home for using the N word when he had been asked not to.

    That took quite a bit of courage in the early '50's.

    That you don't want to discuss the bad things that the Native Americans did is just another demonstration that the Left must always apologize for and blame America.

    No wonder Obama immediately launched his apology tour after being sworn in and can't find it in himself to attack ISIS in frontal and effective manner.

    He is his Mother's sun.

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    They burned people at the stake (none / 0) (#124)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:27:59 PM EST
    broke them on the rack and expelled all the Jews from Spain..

    Now admittedly, by our standards, it wasn't very civilized, but at least they waited awhile before perpetrating the Holocaust and inventing the atom bomb (top that, Injuns!)

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    It is not about (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:24:23 PM EST
    apologizing for European culture but honoring Native American culture.

    You poor white guys really feel persecuted, no?

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    Columbus gets credit (none / 0) (#126)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:48:20 PM EST
    for documenting his voyage in a widely understood written language.  He also gets credit for dogged research into previous Viking trips to North America.  There is some reason to believe he actually was on one of the Viking voyages as he mentions things like a bay with 50 foot tides which matches the Bay of Fundy.  Columbus also used Johan Muller's ephemeris to scare the Indians by predicting an eclipse.  He had instruments on board commonly used in conjunction with the ephemeris for navigation.  His log, or at least the best reproduction we have of it, lists some what strange stops that can be explained by planet conjunctions on the dates of those stops.  If the truth be known Columbus was the greatest navigator of his time using the best technology combined with better historical data than anyone else.  As with others of the time he described one harbor as large enough to hold all the ships of Christendom and saw part of his duty as converting non Christians.

    Not taking anything away from the early sailors in the Pacific.  Maybe the best book on the subject is A Song For Satawal

    The early native sailors used songs along the lines of "sail towards the setting sun till the waves break on the port quarter then turn right till you see flying birds and then follow them".  To help remember the song they used a string of different colored and shaped shells.

    But the bottom line is the European sailors around the time of Columbus were developing methods of navigation that allowed them to replicate their voyages and the ability to communicate where they had gone for history, something the Pacific natives really could not do.

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    long (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by sj on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:53:39 PM EST
    comment.

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    ... I can see why he would think that, since Congress itself officially renamed the mountain when it authorized the creation of the national park in 1917. Before that, the name "Mt. McKinley" was entirely unofficial, and the congressional sanction was no doubt to the consternation of native peoples who took exception to some white prospector's re-designation of Denali as such.

    But in Feb. 1917, when the park was created, President McKinley's assassination at the hands of anarchist Leon Czolgosz 16 years earlier was still fresh in the minds of many Americans, particularly in Washington. In "the Age of Imperialism," he was seen by a lot of people as some sort of political martyr. Therefore, the formal renaming of Denali as "Mt. McKinley" was part of the natural order of things as they existed at the time.

    Aloha.

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    The natural order of things (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:20:42 PM EST
    was also responsible for the names Leningrad and Stalingrad and many other names down through history near and dear to the might-makes-right, the-winners-write-history crowd..

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:36:09 PM EST
    To the victors belongs the spoils, which includes the historical record -- at least for the immediate time being, anyway. Suffice to say that later generations may not look so kindly upon those victors once the full light of that history is shone upon them. And so there is our occasional reckoning with what we were told happened, as opposed to what actually occurred.

    Pervasive skepticism amongst the predominately white scholar class about the Polynesians' ability to sail between distant island groups throughout the Pacific and Indian Oceans during the first millennium, A.D., was only finally dispelled in 1976, with the first trip to Tahiti of the Hawaiian twin-hulled voyaging canoe Hokulea, a remarkable feat which was accomplished solely by the crew's reliance upon the ancient Pacific Island art of navigation by the stars.

    As a direct result of that accomplishment, as well as subsequent voyages undertaken by Hokulea which continue to this very day, western academia has begun the painstaking reassessment of the history of Pacific Islanders, by examining and assessing Malayo-Polynesian oral histories as recounted by native 'oli (chants), such as the Hawaiian Kumulipo.

    Because as local native historians and cultural practicioners such as John Osorio, Han-unani Kay-Trask, the late Mary Pukui and the late 'Iolani Luahine have long contended, the true history of indigenous peoples long predates the white man's "discovery" of them.

    Aloha.

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    LBJ (none / 0) (#112)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:05:26 PM EST
    renamed Cape Canaveral as Cape Kennedy by executive order, that lasted 10 years until the State of Florida got it changed back. Longstanding historical names should never be forsaken for the latest political hero or martyr.

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    Oculus don't feel bad (none / 0) (#74)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:26:18 PM EST
    About not knowing about the Athabaskan people or any of the other strangely named American and Canadian Indian tribes and people.  One almost has to be from the Pacific Northwest to get used to those names.  Many rivers in Oregon and Washington have names like Skamakawa and Snoqualame.  There are literally hundreds of small tribes up there with those types of names.  Many of them are the people that make totem poles, which always fascinated me as a kid.

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    From the Editorial page (none / 0) (#58)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:57:38 PM EST
    of the Columbus Dispatch recently:

    Ohio's congressional representatives should let Denali be Denali. It's time to end the perennial defensive action against Alaskans who want to allow one of their state's grandest natural features to be known officially by its real name....The mountain has sacred significance that long predates the United States. Ohio should gracefully concede.

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    Senator Lisa Murkowski (R) (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:04:37 PM EST
    More (5.00 / 4) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:38:16 PM EST
    The renaming of Mt. McKinley has got the people over at the Millard Fillmore Rest Stop very nervous #next

    -- Scott Paulsen (@heymrpaulsen) August 31, 2015



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    I think they dislike it (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:56:46 PM EST
    because it sounds suspiciously African.

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    It fits perfectly into their (none / 0) (#107)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:53:29 PM EST
    paranoid anti-multiculturalism narrative..

    Liberal elites trying to make American children ashamed of their heritage..blah blah

    Texas PTA stuff..

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    ... long called the mountain by its proper name. Right now, I'd say that it's only the GOP leadership in D.C. which has a burr up its butt over this, and that's likely more due to their own anti-Obama reflexes than anything else.

    And of course, the Ohio congressional delegation perceives today's reversion to the mountain's original name as some sort of slight to the state's native son William McKinley, when it's really got nothing at all to do with either Ohio or the 25th president.

    It was simply the right thing to do.

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    But a friend in Ohio reports (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:59:45 PM EST
    that some Ohioans in her town are d*mned mad about this insult to McKinley, because he was the great explorer of Alaska!  And that's why the mountain was named for him!  And they swear that it says so in the books, because they were taught that in grade school!

    The stoopid is hurting at record levels today.

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    My nephew (none / 0) (#123)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:27:45 PM EST
    ...and his future wife met while working at the Denali National Park.  They called the mountain Denali.  I have been to Alaska six or seven times.  I have never in my visits to Alaska heard it called by any other name.  Everyone in Alaska seems proud to call it Denali, almost make a point of it.

    Admittedly anecdotal and a small sample, but there you go.  I don't think even Sarah Palin will argue this one.

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    Predictably and tiresomely, (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:59:52 PM EST
    you misstate the truth.

    Predictably and tiresomely, Republicans are already criticizing Obama for removing the name of Mt. McKinley

    From your own link:

    The Ohio delegation's disappointment at the decision cut across party lines.

    "We must retain this national landmark's name in order to honor the legacy of this great American president and patriot," Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, whose district includes McKinley's hometown of Niles, in eastern Ohio.



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    It's Fox News, dude. (1.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:37:40 PM EST
    Nuf ced.

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    And rather than quote Fox News ... (1.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:59:05 PM EST
    ... from my link as though what they say is somehow gospel, you ought to read THIS, THIS and THIS. Now, that's all I'm going to say to you on this subject.

    Aloha.

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    Gawd, you're ridiculous. (none / 0) (#114)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:08:25 PM EST
    From your The Atlantic link:

    Democratic Representative Tim Ryan, who like McKinley was born in Niles, [Ohio,] is also unhappy.

    And from the NYTimes:

    Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, introduced legislation in January to rename the peak


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    You want to fight, ... (1.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:18:42 PM EST
    ... go yell at your wife and kids, for apparently having shoved a banana up your tailpipe while you were asleep last night.

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    Some Republicans heads (none / 0) (#104)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:43:03 PM EST
    will explode.  They wanted to re-name it Mt. Reagan.

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    The Fox Effect continues (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:23:41 PM EST
    Why Hasn't Black Lives Matter been labeled a Hate Group?

    During a segment on the Black Lives Matter movement on Monday morning, "Fox and Friends" host Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggested that the organization be labeled a hate group.

    Fox brought on conservative African-American writer Kevin Jackson to discuss the Saturday Black Lives Matter protest at the Minnesota State Fair and the Friday shooting of a Texas sheriff's deputy.

    "Kevin, why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?" Hasselbeck asked Jackson during the segment. "How much more has to go in this direction before someone actually labels it as such?"

    "Well they should do it, but unfortunately it's being financed by the leftists," Jackson said in response. "Ironically it's people that have nothing, really no concern at all about black lives."

    I don't know which is worse, Hasselbeck's question, or Jackson's answer.

    If I were a glib, highly articulate, A*****e, (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:25:40 PM EST
    I could be a FOX commentator too.

    I do not agree with the easy dismissal of FOX talent, that they are stupid.  

    They're not stupid, and that's worse.  

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    I dunno (none / 0) (#131)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:03:17 PM EST
    about those Fox hosts not being stupid.

    They may indeed be worse than stupid, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're not plain stupid as well.

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    kdog (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:21:52 PM EST
    I've found a reason for you to take up running.

    The 420 Games 5K in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park on August 16th awarded $500 in marijuana credit to the male and female winners.

    I run all the time man.... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:13:44 PM EST
    60 feet to first base, 80 yards on kickoffs, 84 feet on a fast break.

    5k? F#ck that I'll buy my own weed;)

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    That could be (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:16:07 PM EST
    a very funny race

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    The Crazy Chicken (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:34:17 PM EST
    you can't make this stuff up.

    the pic is priceless

    I think they should go with The Crazy Chicken Brothers.

    (Breaking Bad joke)

     I suppose that's the hallmark of good satire when some don't get it because they don't see it as beyond the pale.

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    I think you are incorrect (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:54:24 PM EST
    if it's a joke it's a running joke.  I've been reading about this guy for a while.

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    From the comments to the story (none / 0) (#86)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:05:13 PM EST
    It's sad when you have to look at the tags in an article to see if it's satire or real

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    I prefer to believe it (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:12:54 PM EST
    fiction, humor, satire (none / 0) (#95)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:17:16 PM EST
    as tags for the story would give me second thoughts about just how real it was

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    Oh. It's not. Apparently. (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:20:37 PM EST
    it is a running joke because I remember reading about Taco Bell.

    Still.  I PREFER to believe it.  If the right wing can do it do can I.

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    Lol (none / 0) (#159)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:50:48 PM EST
    Josh works so hard in school and his extracurricular things, when he asked to sign up for a monthly delivery of something called Loot Crate I couldn't say no. It's about $25 a month, and it's a box of you name it trinkets from video games and the latest movies. The first crate came a few nights ago, and Josh brings me something from his crate he doesn't want. It's an apron that said Los Pollos Hermanos on it. It looked familiar but I couldn't place it. I made and served dinner in it though, just to be in the spirit of things. After dinner he looked it up because he couldn't place it either. It is an apron from the chicken restaurant in Breaking Bad. I will cherish it always :)

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    Very sad (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:06:09 PM EST
    Wes Craven, RIP: The Mild-Mannered King Of Our Nightmares

    Nightmare On Elm St is a work of art

    Truly a bummer. He attended my college, (none / 0) (#96)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:20:19 PM EST
    Clarkson U, in Potsdam, NY, way upstate. Rumor is that some of his early college films and the Nightmare on Elm St series are named after the Elm St in Potsdam. I lived on Elm St for 3 years.

    RIP

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    I have special affection for that movie (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:25:50 PM EST
    there are so many brilliant moments.  I remember dragging a friend to see it in a theater (like, the third time for me) and embarrassing him by laughing out loud in all the wrong places.   Like when the EMT arrive for Johnny Depp and the cop says, "you don't need a stretcher.  You need a mop."

    It's like a master class in cheep effective special effects.

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    Ya, in some ways a younger version of (none / 0) (#116)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:11:14 PM EST
    Roger Corman.

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    final stall/appeal denied (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:37:01 PM EST
    for Rowan County, Kentucky clerk. Justice Kagan wisely referred the defiant clerk's shameless lawyers' motion to the full Court rather than rule on it herself first (which would have allowed them to waste more time seeking full court review). Not a single Justice dissented. Nor did anyone see any need to write a word beyond "Denied."

    What's her next step (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:53:25 PM EST
    to maintain her ten minutes of infamy?

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    Martyrdom, would be my guess (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:07:43 PM EST
    Keep refusing. Force the federal judge to hold her in contempt. The judge can impose a fine that kicks in every time she refuses to comply with his injunction, or even jail her until she resigns the office she refuses to carry out, or else agrees to comply with the law. Sadly, she had forced it to come to that.

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    Interesting WaPost op-ed on advisors in (none / 0) (#5)
    by Green26 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:50:13 PM EST
    Iraq including forward air controllers. "Why U.S. generals don't want advisers on the front lines in Iraq". The discussion on the number of people, logistics and issues is interesting. Article.

    "A controller operates as part of a team of a dozen soldiers, plus vehicles, plus reinforcements on alert, plus aircraft for evacuations, plus logistics. To insert controller teams into the battles for Fallujah or Ramadi requires a commitment on the order of thousands of Americans."

    Also tucked in the op-ed is this quote: "The Iraqi government dismissed them [the right Iraqi officers] after our forces left in 2011. The Sunnis were then oppressed, and the Islamic State surged in."

    Written by Bing West--former assistant secretary of defense and Marine who has written several books about the Iraq war.

    In "Heck of a Job," (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:05:42 PM EST
    Paul Krugman (NYT August 31), offers a lesson of Katrina--image and reality of Republican politicians.  After 9/ll Bush posed as a strong leader who kept us safe, so long as he keep talking tough about terrorists.  But, he didn't. The domestic disaster of New Orleans unveiled the cronyism and incompetence of his administration for all to see. It only took owning or having access to a television set.

    Political poseurs with nothing to offer besides bluster can fool many people into being strong leaders--something to note for 2016.  And, yes, Dr. Krugman is talking about Trump, but also, Christie, whose tough guy act played well until it didn't.  Now, he is just pathetic, says Krugman. "he did not change, he just came into focus."

    And Jeb!  What happened to him? asks Krugman. The best governor ever, the smart Bush.  He never existed.  As can be seen by his campaign.  And, then there is Scott Walker, the man to watch.  And, the brilliant Bobby Jindal.

    Just  "a cult of personality built around undeserving politicians."   "Someday, Trump will have his Katrina moment when voters see him for what he is. but don't count on it happening anytime soon." opines Krugman.
    .

    In case you have forgetten (2.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:12:38 PM EST
    The Demo mayor wouldn't call for evacuation until it was too late...hundreds of school buses which could have been used weren't, the governor wouldn't cooperate with the Feds and the screaming about the Superdome was all lies.

    Here, educate yourself.

    Link

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    Educate yourself (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:00:10 PM EST
    Pilots were ready to leave Ft Rucker and stage in Mobile when the Bush administration told them to stand down. Everyone was shocked. Active duty had been dropping food and diapers and baby formula in the midst of extreme weather events inside the United States for years. They had been picking up the sick and injured and taking them to hospitals during such events for years too.

    The reasoning the Bush administration gave for why active duty military and the largest rotary wing fleet in the military would stand down was that the Iraq War planners felt committing to Katrina would interfere with their unhampered war effort.

    When everything went completely to hell and they had to call Honore in, he basically executed the plan that those who cared and were at Ft Rucker proposed, with staging in Mobile.

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    Of course people were quite dead by then (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:00:45 PM EST
    Approximately 1,833 of them ... (none / 0) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:26:59 PM EST
    ... were in New Orleans alone, although truth be told, we will probably never know the exact number of lives lost along the Gulf Coast that week. As some local residents have noted, there were whole families who were simply swept away in the maelstrom, with nobody left to report them missing.

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    It makes my hair feel like it's (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:55:06 PM EST
    Standing on end, and tears well in my eyes remembering. Some things I will never be able to deal with.

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    ... to Hurricane Katrina stands as one of the truly great horror shows of our adult lifetimes, because it demonstrated conclusively what can happen when those who profess an obvious disdain for government are actually placed in charge of our governance. While it's an experience which I hope to never see repeated personally, sadly, there are far too many who live in official denial of what happened for clearly political reasons.

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    Bush (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:31:59 PM EST
    had the full force of the federal government behind him many more resources than either the mayor or the governor had at that time but he chose to sit around with his thumb up his butt and let a horse lawyer run the show for FEMA. I'm sorry but the GOP is not going to get over that embarrassment for quite a while.

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    The only people who ... (none / 0) (#128)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:54:05 PM EST
    ... escaped New Orleans as Katrina approached were the people who could actually afford to leave and had the personal means to do so. No effort at all was made to help everyone else -- the working poor, the indigent, the needy and the sick -- who were simply left to fend for themselves as best they could.

    The sheer size and power of that approaching hurricane alone, relative to the region it was about to decimate, undoubtedly should've clued those back in Washington that local state and municipal authorities would be very quickly overwhelmed by both the extraordinary urgency of the situation, and the obvious magnitude of the effort needed to evacuate an entire city of 500,000 from harm's way, amongst others.

    Yet, the Bush administration inexplicably decided to stand down and do nothing, to their everlasting infamy and shame. And so, the impending natural disaster that was due to occur anyway was compounded manifold into an unspeakable tragedy by an almost willful neglect.

    It was an act of incompetence and dereliction so stunning in its breadth and scope that it likely bordered on criminal. In the end, even the normally accommodating folks at Fox News were compelled to scream at George W. Bush to do something, in the face of the obvious horror which was unfolding before everyone's eyes.

    Aloha.

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    Oops. Wrong link. Sorry. (none / 0) (#137)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:26:56 PM EST
    Here's what I intended to link.

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    The Bush administration tried but was blocked (none / 0) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:57:41 PM EST
    by the state.

    Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday (8/27/05 - 32 hours before landfall), the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

    The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

    WaPost

    You see Donald, the state must request help. The Demos in charge were so eat up in politics they wouldn't.

    And who can forget all those buses just setting there. Empty while the mayor dithered.

    At 5:00 PM EDT,(Sat 8/27 about 36 hours before Katrina hit) New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin announced a state of emergency and a called for a voluntary evacuation. He added that he would stick with the state's evacuation plan and not order a mandatory evacuation until 30 hours before the expected landfall.

    What a shame. How criminal.

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    Nobody here is saying ... (none / 0) (#153)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:52:06 PM EST
    ... that Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin don't deserve their own respective criticisms for their mishandling of the initial response. But the Bush administration had a moral and ethical obligation to take charge in the face of the obvious looming threat posed by both Katrina's size and its power, which had been amazing everyone well before the storm even first made landfall.

    We all knew that this was the mother of all monster hurricanes, the biggest and most potent in a generation. Yet for whatever their reasons offered in retrospect, the president and his staff stood down and failed to act, and then continued to do so even as the levees broke and the city of New Orleans flooded. The guy even flew off to Arizona to attend a political fundraiser, rather than attend to the emergency!

    We all saw and remember what happened, Jim, and we all remember how President Bush and his cabinet had to literally be shamed into action. And given the bipartisan nature of the criticism that was leveled at him from practically all quarters, it's quite obvious that partisanship had nothing to do with it.

    George W. Bush proved that week to be every bit as ignorant, incompetent, reckless and reality-challenged, as even his most vociferous of opponents had heretofore accused him of being in the years prior to Katrina.

    That hurricane ripped the blinders off a lot of Americans, and for the first time they finally saw Bush for what he truly was, a clueless phuque who had absolutely no business being in the Oval Office. A mere handful of words spoken on national TV served to reduce his arrogant swagger to a pathetic lame-duck irrelevance -- "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

    And no amount of post-event revisionism on your part will ever change that.

    Aloha.

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    Gee whiz, maybe you (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:42:55 PM EST
    actually have something.  After all, President Bush did win an award regarding Katrina, and as he battled criticism over the incompetent response, his mother also liked what he did--having his back describing his work as a success. "the evacuees were under-privileged anyway, so this is working out quite well for them."  

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    Nobody (none / 0) (#62)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:04:33 PM EST
    has ever suggested that the whole chain of government failed from top to bottom, but Bush's cavalier, clueless reaction was a spectacular example of dereliction of duty. Almost as bad as his "ok, you covered your ass" moment.

    BTW your link is pure fiction.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:07:45 PM EST
    I agree with Krugman. Sooner or later something is going to happen with Trump but it might not be until after he loses a general election.

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    The tragic story of Oliver Sacks's celibacy (none / 0) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:51:55 PM EST
    (Sigh!) That was sad. (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:13:32 PM EST
    I don't know why, but now that I've read it, Dr. Sacks's story really bummed me out today. While he obviously struggled to rationalize his mother's rejection of his homosexuality as reflective of the times in which he was born and raised, at least he attained some sense of personal fulfillment and happiness late in life with his partner Bill. Still, it's scary to consider the emotional damage we can potentially inflict upon our offspring with a potent combination of ego and ignorance.

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    I don't really know what to say about this (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 03:14:10 PM EST
    Other than - Trump's either the best thing or the worst thing to happen to this election season.

    And possibly both.

    "Republicans Wary of Donald Trump's Populist Tone on Taxes"

    Link

    I'm honestly coming to the conclusion that Trump is possibly the least-bad Republican option - and not just because he'd lose the general election in a landslide.

    I find him personally racist and sexist and an abhorrent human being.  And I think he's the best the GOP has to offer.  What a state of affairs we are in.

    The hands up don't shoot lie bears fruit. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:06:43 PM EST
    The suspect criminal (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:19:21 PM EST
    history may shed some light on his unprovoked murder of this uniformed law enforcement officer.

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    And the hits just keep on comming (none / 0) (#72)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 04:22:56 PM EST
    This can't be good (none / 0) (#91)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:11:48 PM EST
    I know it is Brietbart, but some of the claims are very specific and seem to be backed up by solid sources.

    Hillary's network problems

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    SEEM to be backed up by solid sources.. (none / 0) (#98)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:21:52 PM EST
    always keeping in mind that the hallmark of a good Nixonian dirty trickster - or a climate denier, or a conservative televangelist - is to embellish and twist actual facts in the service of manipulating perceptions..

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    DSN logs (none / 0) (#102)
    by ragebot on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 05:37:35 PM EST
    show that Hillary's server, Bill's server, Chelsea's server, and the Clinton Foundation's server were all on the same network.  Bill and Hillary's server also had the same SSL certificate and same ISP address.

    There was a sizable list of folks employed by the Clinton Foundation who had email accounts on the network.

    I view calling someone Nixon like almost as bad as calling them Hitler like.

    Bottom line is not only did Hillary take a hit with 150 more redacted emails being found but her server is also less secure than before due to its network architecture.

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    Do you even read the links you cite? (none / 0) (#133)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:09:37 PM EST
    Under intense questioning, Toner conceded that the review of about 7,000 pages of emails in the latest batch has uncovered the 150 communications 'that have been subsequently upgraded classified.'

    He emphasized that 'the information we've upgraded was not marked classified at the time the emails were sent.' But Toner seemed to hedge his bets against future decision-making inside the U.S. Intelligence Community.

    [...]

    Toner also said he did not know of any cases of emails that were already released undergoing another round of scrutiny with an eye toward identifying more classified documents.

    'That's not our belief,' he said. 'We stand by what's been released.'

    The Associated Press reported that all of the newly classified material in the latest batch was upgraded to 'confidential,' not to the higher 'top secret' level that applied to two emails identified a month ago.

    So...e-mails that were not previously marked or deemed classified have NOW been deemed so.

    But, hey - thanks for treating us all to the Daily Mail, a tabloid rag that is so clearly biased, so clearly trying to make news out of nothing, that it's obvious why you've gravitated to it.

    And why my reaction to this non-news is more or less, "so what?"

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    At some point (none / 0) (#151)
    by mm on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:27:35 PM EST
    You're going to have to make up your freaking mind.  Do you want to see every single email to and from Secretary Clinton while serving her country or don't you?  Because if you do, there is going to be parts redacted.  This is just normal.  Ask a real journalist (if you can find one) what they get back from their FOIA requests sometime.

    What is happening now is extraordinary and unprecedented.  You're getting to see four years worth of fairly recent emails from the Secretary of State.  You should be happy.  Bob Woodward was delighted when he heard the news.  Because this never happened before.  Because her name is Clinton the media must do a thorough anal exam.

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    Canadian wall (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:21:16 PM EST
    Mexican wall.   What's the over under on how long it takes for someone to suggest a DOME?

    OTOH (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:24:28 PM EST
    the Canadians might pay for it.  I know Canadians who have wanted a wall for years.

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    Maybe that Canadian (none / 0) (#144)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 08:03:10 PM EST
    wall is not such a good idea after all.  At least, until Walker's next interview.

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    New National Poll from Morning Consult (none / 0) (#127)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 06:50:29 PM EST
    GOP:

    Trump 37
    Bush 9
    Carson 9
    Huckabee 6
    Rubio 6
    Walker 5
    ...and so on

    Dem:

    Clinton 52
    Sanders 23
    Webb 2
    O'Malley 1
    Chafee 1


    This is interesting (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:00:46 PM EST
    The real story is contained deeper in the poll. In May, when the Register last polled, 27 percent of likely Iowa GOP caucus-goers viewed Trump favorably while 63 percent regarded him unfavorably. In the new poll, which was released Saturday night, Trump's favorable number is at 61 percent and his unfavorable at 35 percent.


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    This is a national poll (none / 0) (#134)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:20:28 PM EST
    not an Iowa poll

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    Right (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:26:50 PM EST
    i just pointed that out because it was being said his unfavorables was showing he had a low ceiling.   The ceiling seems to be rising.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#139)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:30:29 PM EST
    The Trunp ceiling isn't where the talking heads thought it was.

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    How reliable (none / 0) (#132)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:08:10 PM EST
    is this poll? It seems to be pretty much in line with other national polls though.

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    The only way to know for sure (none / 0) (#135)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:24:19 PM EST
    if a poll is reliable, is if the election were held tomorrow and backs up their results.

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    But the most recent Q Poll from a week ago (none / 0) (#138)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 07:28:35 PM EST
    had Trump up 16 and Clinton up 23 vs this MC poll with Trump up 28 and Clinton up 29.

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    PPP Poll to be released in the morning (none / 0) (#157)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:26:18 PM EST
    National Poll has:

    Trump leading Carson by 14
    Clinton leading Sanders by 35

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    In other Supreme Court news (none / 0) (#158)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 09:45:03 PM EST
    former Virginia governor McDonnell has won a rare stay of sentence (continued bail) pending the filing and eventual consideration of a Supreme Court petition questioning the recent affirmance of his conviction. This order is a strong indication that at least four Justices question the interpretation of the federal law used to convict him, even before receiving his formal petition for review.

    That's great news, Peter! (none / 0) (#162)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 10:14:32 PM EST
    Now, Bob McDonnell can be exonerated by the high court just in time to declare his candidacy for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination.

    ;-D

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