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Is the Public Option Fight Over?

Ok, it is a rhetorical question, as the public option fight is clearly over. Don't believe me? Here is how Chris Bowers puts it:

With the health reform fight over, it is time on Open Left to turn out attention to other matters.

Just a few weeks ago, there was a fair amount of talk about Harry Reid promising a vote on the public option in a few months. Obviously, no one is taking that "promise" seriously. That said, I think this idea is a nonstarter:

In a way, the fact that a public option wasn't included in the health care reform law is a great opportunity for progressives. It would have been preferable to include the public option in the original law, without a doubt. And it would would certainly be nice to pass a public option during a second round of budget reconciliation in this session of Congress - but I'm not holding my breath. Nevertheless, defeat in this session may be a blessing in disguise, since progressive Democrats now have a clear and popular issue they can, and should, rally around for the mid-term elections.

Markos also takes this approach:

Any candidate we add to the list has to be solid on immigration reform, EFCA, repeal of DADT, climate change, and the public option. House candidates have to pledge never to join the Blue Dog caucus, while Senate candidates have to pledge filibuster reform.

(Emphasis supplied.) Honestly, does anyone take this seriously now? This is all show it seems to me.

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    One wonders if Bowers is thinks (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:13:10 AM EST
    that it is a good thing that Obama just put another thing on progressives' "to do" list with his proposal to open up our costal waters to off shore drilling.

    I swear I voted against the candidates who were chanting "Drill Baby Drill!"

    But, I have to admit that I did vote for Pat Buchanan by accident once - I caught the error and obtained a new ballot - but I have made mistakes like this in the past.

    Maybe this is another 11th dimensional chess move where Obama is secretly trying to create a jobs program for the progressive movement.  Progressive experts and advocates in healthcare, the environment, civil liberties, among others are all seeing a greater need than anyone anticipated under this Administration.

    No, dummy (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by david mizner on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:29:35 AM EST
    You forgot that triangulation is a good thing now. I went over to Daily Kos to see what defense was being offered. Sure nuff:


    IT'S CALLED SHREWD POLITICS FOLKS WAKE UP! (18+ / 0-)
    I do not believe that this is anything but a shrewd political move by the Obama team in light of the upcoming 2010 midterm elections.

    For years the Repubs have been screaming 'DRILL BABY DRILL'.  They relied on Democrats to block off shore drilling, so the Repubs could have it both ways.

    OK.  With sharply contested Senate seats up in DELAWARE, NORTH CAROLINA, and FLORIDA, let's see how all those independents and apathetic Democrats are going to vote when:

    a.  The Democratic Senatorial candidates all pledge to work to block drilling off of their prized beaches and fisheries.

    b.  The Republican candidates are forced to either reject their party's platform and enrage the tea baggers with their radical envirodestructionism or alienate a large part of the electorate that has no appetite for oil rigs and oil storage facilities near their pristine beach front property.

    There will be no substantive development on any leases in these areas for 10 years.  The political pay off may be substantial and may help actually push for more energy conservation.

    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2010/3/31/1114/30039/288#c288

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    Yes, I saw that and two others (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:40:33 AM EST
    that are clearly - well - I'm not even going to go there.  But anyone who thinks that orange is populated by just a bunch of ordinary citizens at this point is naive.

    It gets worse, though.

    I responded to a post about how peak oil is coming and how we need to be ready for it by drilling.  I pointed out that we used to focus on alternative energy as a response to peak oil, but now we are talking about "Drill Baby Drill!"

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    Well at least one of those "facts" (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:44:47 AM EST
    is definitely questionable.

    a.  The Democratic Senatorial candidates all pledge to work to block drilling off of their prized beaches and fisheries.

    January 27, 2010
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Virginia's two U.S. senators on Wednesday urged the Obama administration to carry out a previous plan to lease almost 3 million acres (1.2 million hectares) in federal waters off the state's coastline to oil and natural gas companies.

    The lawmakers said in a letter to U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar that recent comments by a department official that the Virginia lease sale originally planned for late 2011 would be delayed until 2012 at the earliest are frustrating given that drilling creates jobs and needed energy supplies. h/t to squeaky



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    And (none / 0) (#17)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:37:26 AM EST
    Apparently, Part A will work for the naive comment author...but will it work for anyone capable of rational thought?  especially after the "progressive" health insurance rolling?

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    That's just some commenter (none / 0) (#21)
    by magster on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:42:02 AM EST
    and the comment retorting this was got more rec's.  No doubt, though, that the right side of Kos is intolerable save for a couple of diarists.

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    "Honestly, (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:16:09 AM EST
    does anyone take this seriously now?"

    IIRC over 40 house members took the pledge to vote no on any legislation that did not have a "robust public option." How did that work out?

    So the simple answer to your question is "NO."

    The current system will have to completely fail before we get real health care in this country. Since the legislation they passed props up the system and make all the health care industries wealthier and more powerful, we are IMO further away from that time than we were before.

    HCR "win" advancing progressive agenda? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:18:45 AM EST
    The notion that Obama, finally taking off the gloves for a GOP written HCR bill, found his spine and will fight for the people was nice while it lasted; all of one week.

    Not only will there be no public option vote and now Obama, in a perverse Nixon going to China moment, is announcing support for offshore oil & gas drilling off the East Coast, Gulf and Artic ocean. WTF?

    The man is a 90s Republican through and through.

    He might be more to the right (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:42:49 AM EST
    of a number of the 90s Republicans.

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    Obama couldn't make Markos' list (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by david mizner on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:20:59 AM EST
    of candidates.

    He forgot to add (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:23:20 AM EST
    'or be none of the above, but very cool.'

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    Hopefully (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:27:24 AM EST
    they'll upgrade the coolness criteria to requiring IPhone use rather than Blackberry use as with Obama.

    After all, Blackberry is so Al Gore.

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    With the announcement of massive expansion (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by magster on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:35:27 AM EST
    of offshore drilling, is Obama now more conservative than Bush I?

    Bush I raised taxes a little to address the deficit, passed the ADA and appointed David Souter.

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    Also, I have to wonder how many (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:30:42 AM EST
    of the people who are advocating for filibuster reform now supported the "nuclear option" when it was proposed. Seems to be a really poorly thought out idea at this time.

    The current predictions for the next Senate are for 51 Dems and Lieberman. Of those 51 remaining Dems about 10 would IMO be considered conservative. Seems to be a way to get more Republican "good ideas" passed with 51 votes to me.


    Bad Short Term Memory (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by el santorum on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:33:23 AM EST
    "With the health reform fight over, it is time on Open Left to turn out attention to other matters."

    And wasn't it just a little over a week ago that Obama and all the Democrat apologists for this bill said it wasn't perfect and just a start?  Not sure how that jibes with the "fight being over."


    I personally think that it is a mistake (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:35:45 AM EST
    for health care advocates to waste their time on pushing for a "public option" now that we are back to square one on that fight. Better idea to advocate extensively on a single payer system "like Medicare" and keep that proposal up front and in the minds of the public.

    In order to declare the fight over, (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:14:42 AM EST
    one would have to accept as a given that there was ever a real fight to begin with, and I don't think there was - pledges and commitments and such notwithstanding.

    Obama made it clear from the beginning that it would be too disruptive to take on health reform from scratch; we needed to work with the employer-based model that currently exists because that's what most people have and what most people like.  You would think a guy who drags out the specter of his cancer-stricken mother on the phone with insurance companies, fighting for coverage in the last month of her life to illustrate what's wrong with the current system would be able to see the "disruption" there, or that he would be aware that rising unemployment and a bad economy had deprived more people of health insurance coverage, and caused many employers to cut benefits in order to cut costs...but that would not seem to be the case.

    But perhaps he was speaking of a different kind of disruption - like a disruption of campaign contributions, or some such thing.

    "The" public option, it seemed to me, never got much beyond being a stock answer to a beauty pageant question, added to the list of things like "world peace" and "ending hunger:" wonderful concepts, but no real plan for how to get it done.

    If there was a fight, it wasn't exactly a fair one, given that single-payer was not just taken off the table, it wasn't even allowed into the room: no discussions, no hearings and advocates actually arrested for daring to try to be heard.  Obama spoke of it in the most condescending terms - and he continues to do so - and had the audacity to ask for better ideas to the Senate bill if anyone had them - knowing there absolutely was a better idea that had not been allowed to be considered - and then, when all the i's were dotted and t's crossed, had the chutzpah to say ALL the ideas had been considered and ALL the voices had been heard.  Liar, liar, pants on fire.

    I don't expect anyone walking the halls of Congress or the West Wing, who has been duly elected by the people, to lift even a finger to keep this issue front and center; we will now be told we have to wait to see if the Congress' prescription for reform is enough to save the patient, the economy and our health.  

    Guess they have other issues to work their particular brand of magic reform on...oy.


    I know it's unrealistic (none / 0) (#4)
    by magster on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:19:01 AM EST
    but Obama needs to be "Sestaked" or "Romanoffed" in 2012 to influence Obama in the last two years of his term.

    Stop saying "public option" (none / 0) (#7)
    by observed on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:25:18 AM EST
    Just talk about Medicare expansion or buy-in.
    "Public option"  sounds socialist.
    Medicare expansion sounds like a sensible, centrist compromise.

    And lest we forget ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:32:58 AM EST
    the "public option" was a mild as Milquetoast provision.  It was almost nothing.  And it probably wouldn't have even worked.

    It was like being offered a half-eaten, rancid hors d'oeuvre when you're craving a full meal.  

     

    Yup - it is nothing to rally around (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:36:26 AM EST
    in an election. Medicare-for-all is something people can actually get their minds around.

    Assuming anything a congressional candidate promises is worth 2 cents anyway.

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    A Medicare Buy-In ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by BruceMcF on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:48:52 AM EST
    ... public option is quite a bit more than the watered down soup being peddled in the Senate last year, which itself had started with watered down soup in the House.

    Delaying the push for that is one reason for putting the start date for Medicaid expansion and establishment of the health insurance exchanges so close to the second mid-term election, if Obama is re-elected. By the time people are noticing that the soup is mostly water, it will be the Presidential pre-primary season and the issue can be channeled into the quadrennial fight to retain the Presidential nominations for the two wings of the Corporate party.

    Of course, they can't actually say that is the reason, so organizing to accelerate the establishment date to the start of 2013 is another line of attack.


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    This is the kind of election cycle that dKos ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by BruceMcF on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:39:24 AM EST
    ... was co-opted for. "Commitment to progressive issues" in committee and on the floor starts with fear of the primary electorate in the summer of a low-turn-out midterm election cycle. Its really simple ... primary some bastards and we start getting taken seriously. Don't, we don't.

    The notion that it can be led by "progressives in Congress" adding a new point to their standard talking points, while entirely Obama-fantasy-compatible, has nothing to do with reality.

    The conversion of dkos from a point of contact between the blogosphere and part of the democratic electorate into a point of contact between the democratic party establishment and part of the democratic electorate is an obvious strategy, and the way that the site is left open to gangs of online thugs after several "upgrades", whether or not intentional, has played an effective role in that conversion.

    The question, however, is how to form an effective blog cooperative that can provide support infrastructure for serving the same role that dkos once stumbled into temporarily, that is less vulnerable to being co-opted.

    In the short term, it may well be more productive to push for replacement of the Individual Mandate with a 4% pay or play employer mandate paid into the employees health insurance exchange account. That is another element of building a health insurance exchange that can provide the basis for a universal health care system.


    Nope (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:41:29 AM EST
    I liked that line too.

    The fight is over (none / 0) (#24)
    by Spamlet on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:48:14 AM EST
    Defeated Dems declared victory and pulled out.

    I will be watching closely to see if Congress (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 11:09:50 AM EST
    opts itself out of the exchange.  

    Tee up the Public Option (none / 0) (#28)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:05:21 PM EST
    For a Public Option (not to be confused with a Medicare buy, nor to be confused with Medicare-for-More expansions of single payer), prospects are now good to very good in this and subsequent Congresses.

    Give it a brief interval off the table. Cool off the sausage machinery, let the Tea Party spin itself farther out to the fringes, and let the realities of Health Insurance Reform sink in among the various constituencies and influentials.

    Then present it as a separate piece of legislation.

    Mandates aren't going away. To any individual or employer facing an insurance mandate, adding a public option is a neutral to favorable modification of policy status quo.

    To any federal or state budget hawk concerned with the subsidies obligated under baseline reform, the public option is a neutral to favorable modification of policy status quo.

    If a public option finds through the Budget Reconciliation window, it can pass both houses this year with room to spare.

    If it has to achieve 60-vote cloture in the Senate, it's a narrower pass - but not necessarily a fail.

    If it fails, it can take some skin off Republican obstructionists on the way down, and chances of passage improve with each succeeding year (again, as the realities sink in).

    Electoral considerations may dictate timing and priorities - "jobs, jobs, jobs" emphasis, for instance - but the overall path to a public option is down hill from here (as distinct from the path to inclusion in the main HCR package, where a public option amendment would have functioned as a very effective poison pill).