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Texas Congressman Admits Making "Baby Killer" Remark

Rep. Randy Neugebauer of Texas admits being the person who shouted "baby killer" during Rep. Bart Stupak's health care remarks last night. But, he says he was referring to the bill, not Stupak, and insists his actual words were 'it's a baby killer'.

Until Neugebauer 'fessed up, his buddies played the "no snitching" card and refused to give him up. Said one:

Democratic Rep. David Obey of Minnesota, who was presiding over the debate at the time, told the Talking Points Memo that he knows who yelled at Stupak but “doesn’t see any point” in identifying the speaker.

“I think people have a right to make a fool out of themselves every once in a while without causing Armageddon,” he said.

He didn't just make a fool of himself. It was conduct unbecoming a Congressman and it denigrated his office and the entirety of the proceedings. Funny how they understand the principle when it's to protect one of their own.

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    Denigrating ones office (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by alan tomlinson on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 02:35:25 PM EST
    How precisely could a Congressperson from Texas denigrate their office? Most of the more obvious Old Testament prohibitions(e.g. wearing mixed fibers, etc.) have long become commonplace and bearing false witness would seem to be a job requirement.

    The irony of wackjob Republicans using the epithet that they so despised in a different context(i.e. the American war in Vietnam) is rather cloying. Nevertheless, aside from this irony, until they start performing forcible hysterectomies on women of child-bearing age in order to prevent abortion, my ability to be surprised by the "pro-life" gaggle is not being taxed.

    On the other hand, what a scumbag!

    Cheers,

    Alan Tomlinson

    Excellent point on the irony aspect (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:02:01 PM EST
    That is really rich.

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    Another irony... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:21:33 PM EST
    Obey is a Democrat.

    They were whining about Teabaggers outside the Capital screaming all number of epithets at them, and then don't bother to finger the leadership that encourages that out of control stuff?

    We have to define acceptable boundaries for engagement and that is as much a definition that those at the top need to enforce as anyone.

    I know that the Republicans have made it "uncool" to tattle in the modern era, but if we don't start calling people out for disregarding the rules, we may as well just bag the rules because they serve no purpose other than to allow the bullies to continue to dominate.

    Did every Democrat in Congress have his or her lunch money stolen every day when they were in grade school?

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    Learned helplessness (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:26:15 PM EST
    Did every Democrat in Congress have his or her lunch money stolen every day when they were in grade school?

    The April Harper's has an interesting piece by Kevin Baker called "The Vanishing Liberal: How the Left Learned to be Helpless." Worth a look.

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    I'll take a look, but I take issue with (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:40:30 PM EST
    the title.  I never learned that.  My party leadership seems to have been infiltrated with a bunch of people who by my estimating never were anything but helpless.  Totally different from the liberals that informed my understanding of what it means to be liberal.  Complete opposite in fact.  The liberals that I grew up on were fighters and pretty realistic about the fact that doing something for the common good was not always going to be automatically popular no matter how good the good was that they were offering.

    Do you find it as ironic as I do that the Fox News and Republican spin machines were repeatedly insisting that healthcare reform was being rammed down our throats?  Is there a single Democrat in the elite circle of Leadership who would have the first clue how to go about ramming anything anywhere?  I can't think of one.

    You can't even say that about the supposed "tough guy" Rahm Emanuel because he is pretty much the first one to just hand over the lunch money and then to go running after the bullies to ask if he can carry their books.

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    When Rahm (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:51:40 PM EST
    hands over the lunch money, it's other kids' money. He beats the other kids up for it, and then he hands it over to the bullies and asks to carry their books.

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    If they did, I know they (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:32:08 PM EST
    wrote a stern letter demanding an apology.

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    That they presented along with (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:03:00 PM EST
    their lunch money the next day.

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    if they didnt (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:25:02 PM EST
    they should have

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    Obey is one of those Democrats (none / 0) (#25)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:08:16 PM EST
    who may not really have minded.  He has had  problems on women's issues and dealing with women constituents and candidates.

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    Isn't it more of a people problem (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:41:19 PM EST
    than of a problem with just women...I heard someone say, Bob Beckel, I believe, that he was on th receving end of various "blasts" and tirades from Obey....

    So, knowing he can't throw stones, he doesn't rat out the offender this time....

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    What I have heard (none / 0) (#53)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:52:24 PM EST
    about him from women candidates and politicians in his state, I never have heard about him from male candidates and men in politics in his state.  (And being the state that it is, there are far, far, far more male candidates and male politicians -- apparently owing in part to Mr. Obey.)

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    Teabaggers? (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:05:36 PM EST
    The news reports called then demonstrators...

    Besides, I don't think we have any Tea Baggers left. The last one I knew, an expert on Orange Pekoe for Lipton, retired to Las Vegas when Tea Bagging was outsourced to China.

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    On the contrary (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by bocajeff on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 02:50:17 PM EST
    I don't have a huge problem with this. At least it was honest (the guy's feelings, not the statement). It took less than a second and we're all grown adults - stick and stones stuff.

    You know what's denigrating? Sitting by and doing nothing while people are losing jobs and houses.

    The "baby killer" remark (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:17:12 PM EST
    throws the issue for Democrats into high relief.

    Just for fun, suppose the health "reform" bill just passed by the Democrats had attempted to make exclusionary exceptions for women's breasts. You could get treatment for breast cancer, but only if no federal dollars were involved, and that would mean that you had to buy a separate rider, and so on--just the way it is for the medical procedure known as abortion and for other medical procedures that demagogues on the right deliberately confuse with abortion.

    Does anyone think a bill with breast exclusions would have passed? Even been entertained?

    So why is a woman covered for certain things involving her breasts, but not for certain things involving her uterus?

    It's obvious that the difference between a breast and a uterus is that a breast can produce milk, whereas a uterus can incubate a baby.

    So if someone is a Democrat, and if that Democrat is saying that the unique difference between the breast and the uterus justifies special uterine exclusions when it comes to women's health care coverage, then what that Democrat is really doing is arguing for the rights of the fetus over a woman's right to self-determination and autonomy over her own body.

    It's not a new position. It's the so-called right-to-life position. It has a long history.

    And if that position is a Democrat's position, and if other Democrats (such as Chris Bowers) are issuing apologias for that position but still taking what they themselves can get (even though it makes them "sad," and even if all they get is a sense of satisfaction because other groups have not had their rights challenged and trampled), then it's time for all those Democrats just to claim that position and come out as right-to-lifers.

    Then maybe we can begin to have some kind of honest, rational discussion about what "the Democratic position" on (women's) health care actually is.

    Except the real unique difference between (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:45:54 PM EST
    So if someone is a Democrat, and if that Democrat is saying that the unique difference between the breast and the uterus justifies special uterine exclusions when it comes to women's health care coverage, then what that Democrat is really doing is arguing for the rights of the fetus over a woman's right to self-determination and autonomy over her own body

    breast and uterus is that men also have breasts and also die from breast cancer. It's at a much lower rate, but they won't be taking any chances on men's health.

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    Men Also Can Lactate (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:55:16 PM EST
    Seriously? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:13:12 PM EST
    I did not know that. What would trigger it?

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    Serious Sucking (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:15:03 PM EST
    More effort for a baby but eventually a fountain.

    Parent
    Wow (none / 0) (#31)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:19:02 PM EST
    I see a market for Man Milk!

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    Or (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:25:24 PM EST
    Man cheese to compete with woman cheese.

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    Fromage d'Homme (none / 0) (#45)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:30:22 PM EST
    Wow! (none / 0) (#33)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:22:43 PM EST
    So, single dads could actually nurse? I'd heard of that with adoptive mom's, but I did not know that men had the capability of doing the same.


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    So why was I the midnight mom? (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:26:44 PM EST
    Sexism? (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:27:23 PM EST
    Same thought went through (none / 0) (#47)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:34:07 PM EST
    my head. :)

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    Recently drafted OB/GYN told me (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:45:20 PM EST
    the only reason my spouse preferred I breast feed was so he wouldn't have to get up at night.  At the time, breast feeding was out of favor.

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    I didn't think anyone out of my generation (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:57:21 PM EST
    was breastfed, it was considered barbaric or something.  When I nursed my first baby I actually felt sorry for my mom, having missed the experience and all that quiet loving baby time.  And man I got such an oxytocin hit off of nursing, it was a drug.  I caught myself thinking once that I needed to nurse Joshua after I got upset about something that had happened and it wasn't because he was hungry.

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    :) That was probably one of the very few (none / 0) (#54)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:55:52 PM EST
    decisions I was allowed to make for myself. Since, even if bottle fed, my spouse was never going to get up in the middle of the night to tend to his son.

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    You bottle fed your spouse? (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:52:16 PM EST
    I'm staying out of this discussion for all sorts of reasons, but that caught my eye! ;-)

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    LOL (none / 0) (#80)
    by hairspray on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 07:32:35 PM EST
    I would kind of like to repeat that whole (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:13:17 PM EST
    parenting thing w/a modern day Dad and see what has changed.

    Parent
    I'm watching it happen with (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:19:22 PM EST
    my grandson and his dad .... what a joy to witness.

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    I'm a modern dad... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by BigElephant on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:20:08 PM EST
    And while we did breast feed, once we did begin bottle feeding at 6+ months, I did all of it when I was not at work (and she did it while I was at work).  Of course working on 4 hours of sleep wasn't easy, but I'd rather work on 4 hours of sleep than have my wife take care of our child with the same amount of sleep.

    With most of the modern dads I know, we probably do more active work for the baby than the mom (diapers, baths, bottles, etc...) when we're home.  But even most modern dads tend to work, while the mom tends to stay home (although that is changing too). Of course the mom did the hard work for 9 months.  Although I still argue that just living with a pregnant wife is no walk in the park for the guy.  :-)

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    Yes, I've observed some of that, as well (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:37:16 PM EST
    The modern dad goes home after a full days work and takes responsibility for the lion's share of the baby. My SIL plays with his son, while mom creates a fine dinner, then he bathes him, while mom cleans the kitchen, and he reads to him to quiet him down for bedtime, while she folds and puts the laundry away (or goes to her part-time job out of the house so she, too, can connect with other adults for a few hours a week).

    Raising children is the most stressful, exhausting, gratifying and rewarding experience I can think of....both parents today enjoy all aspects of that. I think it's grand.

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    My husband was so good with Josh (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:51:59 PM EST
    when he was a baby too.  God I was so grateful that the other parenting half wanted to do all of this that he could.  The baby always had suspenders on though whenever he dressed him, he has a suspender fetish or something :)  It is a given now that he plays with Josh whenever he is home (makes it hard when he leaves because I am not a sufficient replacement) and does as much homework supervision as I do but Josh says I'm a better teacher :)

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    Well they do want more say so (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:03:37 PM EST
    in discipline, techniques, choices, and negotiations too.  In my unmodern house my father was the threat, and when he got home I was in for it.  He walked in the door, was read a list of my sins, and the boom was lowered.  Now they walk in, you read the list of sins, then you retire to the bedroom to discuss how I might have handled the situation better.  What the heck man?  Where's the boom gone?

    Parent
    Google (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:26:57 PM EST
    there are (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:25:42 PM EST
    websites.
    I wont link

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    Poor Analogy, IMO (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:01:49 PM EST
    It is all about money and power for the christian church.  More babies, more powerful flock of sheep which results in more money for the church.

    Bringing in breasts to counter the absurd position of religious freaks does not make sense, imo.

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    I agree (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:14:25 PM EST
    that it's about money and power for Christians. It's also about the long multigenerational backlash against equal rights for women.

    I brought in the question of breasts simply to point up the fact that the argument against abortion ultimately has to come down to the putative rights of the fetus.

    Some people believe that the fetus has an independent right to life, and I respect that belief. They may even be right about that. I may even agree with them.

    But it is a belief, and it's a belief of a religious nature. As such, it has no place in any of our laws, including laws that restrict women's autonomy and bodily integrity.

    If the belief in the fetus's right to life has come to dominate our Democratic legislators (and be tolerated by their supporters in exchange for certain benefits), and if our Democratic legislators are unable or unwilling to respect the constitutional separation of church and state, then we'd best have that fact right out in the open where everyone can see it and discuss it honestly.

    That was my point.

    Parent

    Also (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:23:04 PM EST
    Money and power for the pols that feed off the opiated masses.

    The belief is so illogical, and twisted that it cannot stand up to any test. For instance, harvest the kid and let the mom starve. Then put the kid in jail because there was no one around to parent him or her..

    I think that the Jewish religion has it right: it is a question of degrees. Bottom line: the woman is more important than the fetus. Her needs come first. It skips the whole issue of when life begins.

    If you ask any rabbi when life begins, he or she will tell you, it is when the dog dies, and kids go to college.

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    Personally (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:28:58 PM EST
    I believe that life begins at conception.

    I cherish my right to live by that belief, and I cherish the constitutional limits that prevent me from forcing that belief on anyone else.

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    Good for you. (none / 0) (#58)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:11:00 PM EST
    I have all sorts of ideas about the world.  What always made me feel proud about this country is that I could and everyone else could, too.

    The ascention of cynical politicians and constituencies who are bound and determined to preach to others about how they should live their lives who sit on both sides of the aisle has been extremely troubling for me to watch.

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    I'm with the Rest (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:19:44 PM EST
    I wish more of our politicians spoke their mind rather then hiding behind code words and fake civility.

    I live in Texas, and as much as I love it, I can not stand the whole fake civility in public followed by pure mean spiritedness behind closed doors.

    Words are words and if the men and women who make laws can't handle a few foul words, it's time they found other employment.

    What I don't like about this story is everyone ducking when asked who said it and then the perpetrator taking a day to figure out the right spin.  That is cowardice, and that we do not need from the men and women who make laws.

    They get to and do talk plenty. (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:28:28 PM EST
    It serves no meaningful purpose to inject cat calling into our public debate.  It is pathetic enough as it is right now.

    I don't really care what he said.  What I care about is the fact that he didn't allow a colleague to make his statement without interruption - even though that colleague of his is, in my opinion an idiotic loser.

    If Neugenbauer had been screaming "Baby Killer" during his own floor time, I'd think he was a nut and out of control, but I would also think he had every right to express his own opinion.

    As it stands, this was yet another attempt by a cowardly Republican to bully and cajole - and I have a problem with that.

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    did you catch their role model on sunday (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:34:18 PM EST
    this was a pretty amazing performance:

    Rove loses his cool in debate with Obama aide

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    I caught that when it was happening (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:42:08 PM EST
    Must be a record for most talking points spewed per second. I think he was trying to get them all out there for the troops to use for the rest of the day. His FAX machine must be broken.

    I advice the press to use the Colbert method when interviewing Rove. when Mary Matalin was on his show last week he pulled out a buzz word bingo card and said he was going to mark it whenever she used them. She was stumped the whole interview trying to answer questions without the talking points. Priceless.

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    Plouffe was worthless though. (none / 0) (#66)
    by observed on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:51:46 PM EST
    I wouldn't trust him enough to buy a used tricycle from him.
    Rove was amazing though. Wow. He was one of the architects of the "permanent Republican majority" plan, and he must see this bill as meaning Republicans won't have power for a long time.

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    Yeah, Plouffe had a hard time getting a word in (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:56:15 PM EST
    Maybe he thought it was more effective to let the madman rant, but I wish he had been a little less polite about cutting him off. Plouffe did get off a great line about 'Mission Accomplished" at the very end - very good timing that left Rove sputtering as he got played off the air.

    Parent
    Ah, politically, Plouffe was fine. (none / 0) (#83)
    by observed on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 07:49:31 PM EST
    When I say he was worthless, I mean in terms of defending the plan on it's merits.
    I have no problems with his performance viz a viz Rove though. Wow, he pushed some buttons!

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    Desperation--no confidence... (none / 0) (#72)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:29:48 PM EST
    RedState is dead today--they still have up diaries exhorting their folks to oppose the health care bill.....

    No question, the Right views this is a major defeat politically....David Frum giving an interesting view....

     I suppose the winners are centrist Democrats....and the losers are both Republicans and Progressives?  I am not sure, though, that progressives did not also gain yesterday...

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    When it comes right down to it (none / 0) (#87)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 01:31:58 AM EST
    this is first time Dems have rammed something through GOP style since Clinton's budget in 1993- and that only raised taxes and this is the "sozialism'.

    Parent
    Karl Rove (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:47:33 PM EST
    uses the Phil Spector ("wall of sound") technique of Republican "debate."

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    Sometimes cool is nonsense (2.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:18:56 PM EST
    as the Obama  stand in demonstrated.

    Rove was spot on.

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    If you say so (none / 0) (#63)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:27:07 PM EST
    But who can tell, when all Karl can do is sputter "Doc fix! Doc fix!" and babble incoherently about the figures on his whiteboard?

    At least you could understand the last fathead who got on the teebee and held up a whiteboard. He said, "Florida, Florida, Florida."

    Parent

    Ha! (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:59:06 PM EST
    I was wondering if the University of Illinois was embarrassed to have their white board used to spew incoherent data.

    The white board also reminded me of Jon Stewart's Glenn Beck impression last week, which was great.

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    I had no problem understanding Rove (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 10:53:38 PM EST
    Perhaps the difference is I am a non-believer in ObamaCare and anything associated with it...??

    Parent
    First I thought it said 'spat on' (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 07:34:59 PM EST
    Almost got suckered in to clicking the link

    Parent
    When hasnt Miss Piggy (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 11:39:27 PM EST
    been spot on?  

    And you havnt heard a single payer plan till you've heard her single payer plan.

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    I agree, besides which (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:04:20 PM EST
    If this guy wanted to be part of the process, he could have joined with Stupak instead of his own party of non-participants, and actually made a difference, however much I hare their aims. Bullying is all the thugs are good at at the moment.

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    Bullying is all thugs are ever good (none / 0) (#26)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:08:51 PM EST
    at.

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    True! Wish we had an editing feature here (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:17:16 PM EST
    (not for the first time)

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    Sometimes I think about these (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:26:54 PM EST
    politicians not just speaking their theocratic minds, but also attempting to follow them to their secular conclusions.  If "babies are being killed", arrest and try for murder/accessory any and all that contributed to the woman's choice:  the physician, the mother, the father, co-conspirators, including the preacher, grandparents, nursing and other health professions, and even the landlord (no piano player in the brothel defense accepted).  But, then it may not be such a good idea, since these wingers might actually cotton to the idea, especially in Texas.  After all, they have that death chamber ready to go.

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    Let the guy yell. First Amendment. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:27:35 PM EST


    When I think of all the congressional folk (none / 0) (#46)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:32:41 PM EST
    who have done things to serious denigrate their offices, yelling something that most people didn't hear is way down on the list of what deserves condemnation.

    Parent
    Yup (none / 0) (#52)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:52:16 PM EST
    funny when liberals have a problem with freedom of speech.

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    umm (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CST on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:00:44 PM EST
    I don't see anyone calling for him to get locked up.

    One of those things about freedom of speech is, if someone says something dumb, everyone else also has the freedom to ridicule them for it.

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    Per Jjeffrey Tobin (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by ding7777 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:48:23 PM EST
    Toobin says (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:01:36 PM EST
    (and you repeat), "Federal funding of abortion has been illegal under the Hyde Amendment for almost two generations," as if "the Hyde Amendment" were settled law rather than a rider attached to annual appropriations.

    That point aside, I don't see cause for celebration in the fact that this health care "reform" passed by Democrats does nothing to disturb the status quo regarding the Hyde Amendment.

    And I don't see cause for celebration in the fact that the Democrats' health care "reform" (which is actually the Republicans' health care "reform" of the mid-1990s) passed only because it does nothing to disturb the status quo regarding the Hyde Amendment.

    YMMV, of course.

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    just hinting that the (none / 0) (#73)
    by ding7777 on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:33:17 PM EST
     "baby killer" remark might have been designed to get free publicity since it had nothing to do with HRC

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    I see (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Spamlet on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 06:37:02 PM EST
    Maybe you are too generous, though, in your assessment of the guy's understanding of the bill.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#3)
    by DancingOpossum on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 02:53:12 PM EST
    I am tired of "civility" taking the place of impassioned debate. I prefer the British system where members of Parliament yell and cuss at the Prime Minister and ask really tough questions. I dislike the forced respect, as if merely by holding an office one is entitled to undue deference. I'm not saying it should be a free-for-all shouting match, but this is not that big a deal. A grownup should be able to shrug this off.

    you think civility (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:00:42 PM EST
    is the problem?
    god help us

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    I think it's one of those situations (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:05:06 PM EST
    where you have to know the boundaries before you are able to dance along the edge. The Brits have long experience with that form of session. I don't think unleashing the batsh#$ crazy members of our Congress to do the same is a good idea.

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    It would be entertaining, (none / 0) (#8)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:18:14 PM EST
    and worth paying to see, if they were to start baying at the Moon during sessions....

    I think much of this outraged hyperbole will stop....Conservatives internalize defeat....They hate it because those in authority rejected them......They lost and that will sap them of resolve....They hate to be associated with losers....That is why you will see all kinds of talk of them "winning" in November....That will be what keeps them going...

    But until then, I think the rhetoric cools off....

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    Didja see Boehner? (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:21:47 PM EST
    If that wasn't baying at the moon, it was as close as makes no difference.

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    funny post from a friend of mine (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by CST on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:27:16 PM EST
    "Boehner's just upset because they're gonna start taxing tanning beds"

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    the guy was actually sort of pale (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:35:42 PM EST
    yesterday.  in a ghastly ocher sort of way.


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    I think that was his entreaty (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:36:31 PM EST
    to bipartisanship, Republican style....

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    I dont remember anyone (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 03:22:56 PM EST
    being called a baby killer during question time.

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    Obey is from Wisconsin, BTW (none / 0) (#35)
    by kenosharick on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 04:24:35 PM EST


    Actually (none / 0) (#82)
    by SOS on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 07:44:10 PM EST
    Everyone manages to look like idiots on a fairly regular basis.

    Give it s day or two and... (none / 0) (#84)
    by pluege on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 09:21:27 PM EST
    this jacka*s will be a hero among the wingnuts.

    Neugebauer voted to kill babies 2 weeks ago (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ben Masel on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 09:37:22 AM EST
    Muslim Babies (none / 0) (#89)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 01:00:54 PM EST
    Are not really babies, and besides, from the virulent anti-abortionist point of view, babies are not really "babies" once they are born. Once one of these "babies" are born, the notion of their innocence and need for protection vanish. My guess is that the transformation "baby" to baby is explained in one of the arcane holy books hidden deep in the Vatican archives.


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