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Health Care Bill Passes, Obama to Address Nation Tonight

By Jeralyn, Section Legislation
Posted on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:08:43 PM EST
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Update: The bill passed 219 to 212. Here's the roll call vote. Reconciliation bill vote next.

The health care vote should begin in about 15 minutes. Obama will address the nation afterwards.

Here's a thread for the vote and the speech, and whatever else you still have to say about health care.

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    Boener is having a fit (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:11:09 PM EST
    Bwahahahaha! Rub that creep's nose in his *!~t.

    isnt it awsum (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:11:54 PM EST
    waaaaaa waaaaa waaaaaa

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    Seriously, (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:16:00 PM EST
    I'm pretty lukewarm in my support of this bill, but wow he's selling it for me- now he's all about comity and "will of the American people" its not just laughable its insane. Oh and the "we can't turn back now" awesome that's supposed to be a knock? That just seems to validate the "one small step" mantra.

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    That is where I'm at (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:24:00 PM EST
    Anything that they don't like can't be all bad. I'll take the one small step if he is so sure it wiil lead to more.

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    they are completely freaked (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:27:17 PM EST
    I really think they thought they could stop it right to the end
    watching their pallid faces today has been such a joy

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    I have managed to miss Boehner every time (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:30:15 PM EST
    all day long. A good day in that respect. Is he really pallid? Missed a trip to the tanning booth for this?

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    dang, I almost made it (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:31:50 PM EST
    sit down Boehner.

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    For most people (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:53:04 PM EST
    he'd be a deep tan, but for John its pallid, he doesn't even have his "healthy" orange glow.

    Parent
    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:03:41 PM EST
    that ocher is unpleasant looking when it becomes desaturated

    like a mummy sort of

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    He's a bad actor (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:18:36 PM EST


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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:11:49 PM EST
    He's acting the way the Nazis did in parliament during the Weimar republic, with the help of the Tea Party thugs in the balcony.  An appalling spectacle.


    Parent
    Sorta (none / 0) (#126)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:19:29 PM EST
    They used to vote with the communists to obstruct (adjournment, etc.)

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    I'm sick of it all (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:14:45 PM EST
    I don't see that anything benefitting this family has taken place.  If they aren't going to address the insurance denials scam nothing has changed for this family of a severely disabled child.  I'm watching the second installment of 'The Pacific'.  It is more worthy of my time and attention.

    I'm with you. (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:19:43 PM EST
    It does nothing to help me and actually hurts me because I'm thinking that by the time 2014 rolls around and my insurance keeps going up at the rate it has been I won't be able to afford insurance at all.

    And then I read where the income tax deduction for medical expenses has been raised. Is there any which way they have not figured out how to screw you?

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    It hurts us too (none / 0) (#139)
    by BrassTacks on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 01:49:23 AM EST
    And most of my family don't even have jobs!  

    You could always stop paying insurance and then pick it up again if you get really sick.  I can pay for lots of doctor's visit every month in what I pay for insurance.  Then if I get something really bad, insurance company has to take me back.  It might be cheaper than the increases in my payments.  

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    It hurts me too - my state health insurance (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by suzieg on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:35:57 AM EST
    risk pool will pass on the "cadillac tax" to me, so that means an additional $3,000 + increase coming this year and that's only if it doesn't cancel it all together because of the tax plus now I'll have less to deduct on my tax return which helps offset my $16,000 yearly premiums! What a victory!!!!  I'm staying firmly on my butt in November and in 1012 unless there's an exceptional third party candidate!

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    I think Nancy is secret socialist (none / 0) (#9)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:22:03 PM EST
    So I think she's gonna make sure it's going to work for you. Then god willing your old man will get back from Afghanistan soon. Obama might get to wind up the war... He's obviously on a roll.

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    Whatever you are taking or having (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:23:19 PM EST
    I'll have some of that please!  Fricken share man!

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    A day of optimism (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:28:16 PM EST
    I'll resume back to my cynical self tomorrow.  I think Pelosi almost quoted Marx at one point so I don't think she's a dupe.   And it's nice to see a lassie shepard this through.

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    I was thinking something like that earlier today (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Spamlet on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:18:10 PM EST
    Love Pelosi or hate her, agree with her or not, she is awesomely skilled at doing her job, and it's great to see a woman exercising that level of authority and command.

    BTW, I'm not at all put off by your having used the word "lassie." I took it in the lighthearted spirit in which it was offered. I'm not a stickler for politically correct language. I care about the substance of a person's attitudes.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    well (none / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:20:53 PM EST
    all righty then.  

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    am I the only one (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:06:32 PM EST
    And it's nice to see a lassie shepard this through.

    that finds that sort of offensive

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    I breed, love, and adore herding dogs (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:16:21 PM EST
    The only larger compliment that could have been paid to her would be adding the B word :)

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    For gods sake (5.00 / 5) (#85)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:29:28 PM EST
    It's colloquial scottish s for young lady. "Bonnie Lass" would be a variation. Nothing to do with the movie character.  

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    Well I'm still trying to figure out (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:33:14 PM EST
    what would be so terrible about comparing the woman who had to whip all this into shape to the gorgeous dog that saved the world everyday after school.  But my dogs are literally people to me.

    Parent
    I would like to know more about the 33 (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:35:05 PM EST
    Democratic Representatives who voted against the bill.  

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    ok (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:32:15 PM EST
    say that in america and people think Collie

    sorry

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    How do you think the Dog got the damned name? (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:36:11 PM EST


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    On that note (none / 0) (#91)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:34:16 PM EST
    this bonnie lass is getting her beauty sleep.

    Plenty of arguing to do tomorrow.

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    Maybe you are (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:26:44 PM EST
    I think I remember Salo being our Irish friend, am I right? No offense here. I don't think he/she meant it in a dog way.

    Wait, I think you are kidding, aren't you?

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    Englsh with Irish and Scottish ancestry. (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:34:04 PM EST
    Close though. What great about it is all there tough guys dems selected buggered it up time and time again. And in the end there's Nancy guiding the process.  

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    The pleasure has not worn off for me yet (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:36:32 PM EST
    I still find it refreshing to see her up there, and knowing she is the one behind the scenes making it happen.

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    I agree with you (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:37:35 PM EST
    again.  this is quite a feather.  and people were already talking about her being one of the most effective Speakers ever

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    A "lassie shepard" - yikes! (none / 0) (#122)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:17:53 PM EST


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    Ridiculous (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Peter G on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:45:40 PM EST
    Everyone knows that Lassie was a collie.  It was Rin Tin Tin that was a shepherd.

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    Not so much (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:27:03 AM EST
    a collie/shep mix would give ya heck of a herding b*tch (bloodlines accounted for). And Lassie always seemed to have her sh*t together  ;)

    Parent
    Not wanting to burst the bubble (none / 0) (#144)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 11:39:40 AM EST
    but in real life every Lassie was a male.

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    I'm listening to Pelosi... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by lentinel on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:30:15 PM EST
    Sometimes I understand what she's saying.
    Sometimes I don't what she's talking about.

    I like some of what she is saying - but at the same time, I don't believe anything she is saying.

    A bizarre experience.

    the woman (3.50 / 2) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:48:16 PM EST
    is not what you would call a great orator is she

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    n/s (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:51:41 PM EST
    this is Nancys night (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:25:53 PM EST

    why dont you try to give her some credit

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    not a great orator (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:04:48 PM EST
    does not equal Maria Carey

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    You're right.... (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:05:55 PM EST
    comparing her to Mariah Carey (as a vocalist/entertainer) is a compliment.

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    ok (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:07:21 PM EST


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    Absolutely not - she sold out to the insurance (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by suzieg on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 05:42:07 AM EST
    industry and big pharma  - there's nothing to cheer about - this is not the democratic party that I worked and supported for the past 40 years! I refuse to celebrate my party becoming an abject corporatist party and for her throwing women's reproductive rights under the bus!

    Parent
    Address that to the (none / 0) (#145)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:34:31 PM EST
    correct commenter :) Howdy is arguing with himself here...

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    Senate amendment vote now (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:33:01 PM EST
    In about 15 minutes, there will be nothing stopping some form of HCR from passing.

    What is the "Senate amendment"? (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:36:18 PM EST
    Thanks.

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    The Senate bill.. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Tony on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:37:02 PM EST
    is actually an amendment to the original House bill IIRC.

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    Almost: (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:40:12 PM EST
    It's an amendment to a zombie House bill that they ended up passing a different version of. The Senate avoids (in form) usurping the House's spending power by doing that.

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    219 votes in favor (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:47:34 PM EST
    with two Republicans and no Dems outstanding.

    good for Stupak (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:01:04 PM EST
    that was smart

    Stupak-Pitts dies (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:09:46 PM EST
    That's a major victory.

    Except (none / 0) (#138)
    by Emma on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 01:08:15 AM EST
    the Nelson amendment is just as bad.

    So no victory, after all.

    Parent

    I'm kind of curious how the GOP (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:11:20 PM EST
    could even arrive at the idea that federal funding for abortion would be increased by this, I mean how does that logic even begin to work?

    If some day Hyde isn't renewed (none / 0) (#73)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:14:00 PM EST
    abortion coverage could be offered on the exchange and paid for with subsidies, or something like that.

    Parent
    Oh well (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:26:57 PM EST
    yeah, because Hyde's only been in effect for 30 years, I mean that's like assuming someday the military's going to be disbanded, since heh we didn't always have a peacetime army.

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    It seems (none / 0) (#137)
    by Emma on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 01:07:33 AM EST
    that depends on what the EO actually does.  It may create a situation where Hyde doesn't have to be renewed every year.

    Parent
    they are hanging (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:11:46 PM EST
    crepe at FOX

    Congratulations to all who (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by Anne on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:13:17 PM EST
    supported the legislation and who believe it will be a positive influence in millions of lives.

    Winning is always fun; enjoy the moment, but remember that the proof of the pudding is in the eating.  There is a tremendous amount of work that will need to be done in order for them to be able to deliver on their promises, and after what I have seen these last 14 months, all I can say is, I hope they're up to it - for the sake of the millions of people who are in desperate need of access to health care.

    I second that Thank You, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by christinep on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:20:55 PM EST
    Your comments are gracious. It is a long-awaited moment. Happy and sad--lots of teary feelings when recalling the health fears of relatives now gone.

    Parent
    thanks (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:26:15 PM EST
    Anne!

    Parent
    I still hate C-SPAN phone calls (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:15:38 PM EST
    "I will never vote for a Democrat again!" heh, like she ever did.

    I haven't (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by CoralGables on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:43:38 PM EST
    listened to those in years. Too often they reminded me of Archie Bunker doing an editorial.

    Parent
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:18:24 PM EST
    Then the next one up late watching this but doesn't know why

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    Did you hear the nurse? Doesn't matter (2.00 / 1) (#86)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:32:15 PM EST
    whether patient is insured.  Health care provided is the same.  Wonder what the medical facility for which she works has to say about that?

    Parent
    It's a riff on (none / 0) (#89)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:33:41 PM EST
    "just go to the Emergency Room"

    Parent
    Then there was the healthy 20-yr. (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:37:53 PM EST
    old who doesn't need insurance.

    Parent
    The one from UM (none / 0) (#119)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:15:06 PM EST
    yeah he admitted he was on his parents insurance (and if he wasn't he would've had to be on school insurance- almost all universities and I believe every public U already had an insurance mandate).

    Parent
    The VA (none / 0) (#117)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:13:53 PM EST
    you know for maximum wrongness.

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    Congratulations (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by waldenpond on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:41:37 PM EST
    To all that supported the bill, to those who will be helped immediately and for the boost this gives for improved healthcare for everyone.

    I can't help but mention the thought of such a HUGE Republican FAIL doesn't hurt either.

    What a win (5.00 / 5) (#102)
    by SOS on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:47:13 PM EST
    No single-payer, no public option, back-door dealing with pharms, IRS-enforced insurance MANDATES and STILL no vehicle to control costs?
    A quarter loaf for progressives... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by mike in dc on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:47:38 PM EST
    ...but a substantial policy win for Democrats.  Failure to pass a bill would have been both a policy and a political disaster.  The Senate can still screw up the reconciliation bill, but I suspect Speaker Pelosi has promised suitably dire consequences for any future Senate initiatives passing the House if that happens.

    The Senate would be embarrased (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:49:43 PM EST
    if it didn't pass the reconciliation package.

    I would encourage Senate Democrats to ignore the Parliamentarian and ram it though.

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    Embarrassment is no deterrent to (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by caseyOR on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:07:42 PM EST
    this Senate. I think they may be beyond embarrassment.  I'm guessing Nancy has something much stronger in her pocket in the way of threats to the Senators.

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    Mutually assured destruction (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:09:05 PM EST


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    When does it go to the Senate? (none / 0) (#110)
    by Andy08 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:57:51 PM EST


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    Immediately (none / 0) (#112)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:02:03 PM EST
    But they supposedly go back to work on Tuesday. I think they can get it pass within a week if they try.

    Parent
    Thanks! (none / 0) (#118)
    by Andy08 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:14:39 PM EST


    Parent
    Romney care passes. (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:51:34 PM EST


    Parent
    Not according to Romney! (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:53:25 PM EST


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    Well it depends on the popularity (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:16:39 PM EST
    does anyone here doubt that Romney will claim this bill is inspired by "his bold leadership" if it ends up being popular- the guy makes normal pols look like strong idealist who never compromise.

    Parent
    That's (none / 0) (#108)
    by CoralGables on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:56:59 PM EST
    the brevity I know and love :)

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    Ha. I was considering becoming (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:58:23 PM EST
    more verbose here, but seems like the field is occupied.

    Parent
    Let's give a kudo to the President. (3.00 / 2) (#98)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:40:16 PM EST


    I'm surprised that the President will speak (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:19:07 PM EST
    He may just make the 11-O-Clock news on the east coast.

    Nancy almost said (none / 0) (#7)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:19:30 PM EST
    "man is born free but found everywhere in chains. "

    then she corrected herself.

    Did she just say this would create 4M jobs? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:23:51 PM EST
    Her hand jestures remind me of Mariah Carey. Keep waiting for her to break out in song.

    I do think that if Americans (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:28:24 PM EST
    had access to healthcare it would create a large swell of jobs.  There are so many people right now who don't get necessary checkups or needed care because they can't afford it.  They haven't really made anything affordable though outside of the clinics for the poor.  If we had single payer though....that would create a huge glut of jobs very quickly.  When my son was getting his teeth cleaned the other day his tech and I were talking about the job demand in her field if all children received a twice year cleaning and dental exam.

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    Yeah, I'd have to see the details on how they (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:36:55 PM EST
    come up with that. Maybe insurance premiums are keeping more companies from hiring than I think. And maybe this bill will bring premiums down more than I think.

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    To the point our existing medical (none / 0) (#32)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:40:24 PM EST
    facilities and practitioners can handle it while waiting for more to graduate, I agree the demand is there in jobs.

    Seems the big paychecks in medical care may actually start to come down the way web design and programmers have, though.

    I have found it interesting over these past couple of years where medical jobs have been advertised in growing demand. Yet, the two multi-week stays my mother had in the hospital, the understaffing was on purpose...brand new remodeled, modern facility in the heart of a highly populated area had more empty rooms than filled. And, I've heard recently that is true at more than one area hospital. I also met nurses who were freelancing as homecare because they couldn't find jobs.

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    NPR recently had a piece on former nursing (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:44:11 PM EST
    shortage.  Seemed like a good career path.  But hospitals cut back, people didn't retire, people who were formerly in nursing re-entered the field.  Voila.  Lack of jobs for graduating nurses except home care and skilled nursing facilities.  

    Parent
    I've also heard recently from (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:49:27 PM EST
    friends of my daughter who know people who got their nursing degrees and then discovered the job was more than they could handle with all the things that people come in with...so, they left the profession.

    It's not for everyone, that's for sure.


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    3% cut in workforce at the hospital (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Cream City on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:07:54 PM EST
    where my son works goes into effect this week -- part of wider cuts throughout the company, a huge one with dozens of hospitals and clinics, part of an even larger regional health care corporation.

    Now, how does that accord with this statement tonight from the Speaker that this bill will create jobs?  Wouldn't a huge health care corporation know that HCR was coming?  If it is going to be so good for hiring . . . huh?

    Parent

    It's got me confused, (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:13:04 PM EST
    that's for sure. I can see where it could create jobs in everything from shipping to physicians, but it doesn't mix with what I've seen in the downsizing and understaffing locally in the medical providers part over the past 2 years.

    I hope your son's job is safe!

    Parent

    No, it is very demanding (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:13:35 PM EST
    at least it is for the nurses we put through their paces.  Joshua will be a hospital resident for at least two months next year when he goes through a period of gravity halo traction.  We will be putting more than a few people through it then because this whole new portion of the titanium rib process will be starting up from scratch...wedding an older process and procedure to a brand new treatment.  That should be some more plumb crazy for everyone it is inflicted on :)  Only the insanely brave and forever tireless need apply.

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    this is Nancys night (3.66 / 3) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:25:53 PM EST
    why dont you try to give her some credit

    Parent
    She very nearly quoted Marx in her first sentence (none / 0) (#19)
    by Salo on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:30:01 PM EST
    So it's bouying to see her shove one up Boener finally.

    Parent
    i can't find a transcript yet. (none / 0) (#116)
    by ahazydelirium on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:12:51 PM EST
    what did she say that almost referenced marx? such a thing would make me feel warm and fuzzy.

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    Right as she quotes the founders... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Salo on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 02:18:54 AM EST
    ... Man is born .... Then she backed off. And said something about life liberty and happiness.  You know she wanted to say born free but everywhere in chains.  

    Parent
    For what exactly? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Andy08 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:30:12 PM EST
    'Winning'?

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    According to Karl Rove (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:25:18 PM EST
    those are jobs in the IRS alone!

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    Karl Rove can kiss (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:54:42 PM EST
    my ass. At this point the only thing he could do that would make smile is dying painfully.

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    Some will certainly show up there (none / 0) (#26)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:33:46 PM EST
    I was pleasantly surprised by that 4M estimate on jobs. It was the first time I had heard a job number at all....wasn't sure I had heard it correctly.

    There will be a surge of medical supplies needed, equipment, facilities, insurance companies expanded, billing services, etc. It may even have been a low estimate.

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    She is whacked! (none / 0) (#143)
    by coast on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 07:21:19 AM EST
    She also said that it would save $1.3 trillion.  Where does she pull this stuff from?

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    New tax on interest?? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Andy08 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:28:26 PM EST
    I was reading the DailyBeast link and it says there will be a new 3.8% tax on interest income - This is the first I hear of this...

    Medicare tax. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Joan in VA on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:55:21 PM EST
    Unearned income will be subject to Medicare tax. May be based on high income though-can't recall.

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    So in addition to (none / 0) (#68)
    by Andy08 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:11:46 PM EST
    the federal and state tax we already pay on say the interest a bank pays on your savings or a CD that amount would be subject to an additional 3.8% tax?
    The DailyBeast link didn't specify any income threshold ...

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    Only high-income (none / 0) (#120)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:16:18 PM EST
    I think, over 200k or something.  It's aimed at the wealthy, not the ordinary schmoe.

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    The additional (none / 0) (#134)
    by standingup on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:35:27 AM EST
    tax on unearned income only applies to individuals earning over $200,000 and joint filers earning over $250,000.  

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    If they tax the credit card companies (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:32:23 PM EST
    that amount and put all that money into single payer healthcare.....PERFECT!  I'm certain this isn't a tax on credit card companies though on such profits.  That could put a strain on them.

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    Don't we already pay tax on interest income? (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:34:44 PM EST
    Hence the reporting of same by credit union to IRS.  

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    Stupak has been stripped of his (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:44:36 PM EST
    "defender of life" status by an antiabortion group
    seems they think he didnt make a very good deal

    Good. Meanwhile, Digby urges those (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:46:16 PM EST
    who "really" care about a woman's right to choose to donate to Saltonstall's campaign to unseat Stupak.

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    The only (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:50:21 PM EST
    thing they would consider a good deal is if he had gotten Obama to ban abortion completely.

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    There's the hard part (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:45:52 PM EST


    I would really appreciate a more complete (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:47:15 PM EST
    commentary from you, as you seem to be the person most knowledgeable re the federal legislative procress.

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    Sorry, I went to dinner (none / 0) (#40)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:48:47 PM EST
    The next issue is the motion to recommit the reconciliation package. Watch for Stupak-Pitts to reappear.

    Final vote 219 to 212.

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    What's funny (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:57:25 PM EST
    is that the GOP and anti-choice dems are basically making Obama's case to pro-choice groups right now- its has tons of loopholes, etc.

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    Surprise! (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:00:20 PM EST
    HCR is a dramatic increase in the federal funding of abortion!

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    I know its (none / 0) (#57)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:02:52 PM EST
    great its going to depend on implemetation but its odd to see two sides bascially living in two opposing versions of reality.

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    It always blows me away (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:05:25 PM EST
    Do they really believe what they are saying?

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    Could be a GOP head-fake, no? (none / 0) (#128)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:24:02 PM EST


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    Ugh. I see what you mean (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:54:51 PM EST


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    Thank you ABC! (none / 0) (#44)
    by nycstray on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:52:44 PM EST
    They will continue my program in full after the "historical" announcement. Jamie Oliver could have a bigger effect on our health, lol!~

    Yup, the motion to recommit is (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:53:20 PM EST
    apparently Stupak-Pitts. This should be a very interesting vote.

    If it passes, IMO the Senate bill is it.

    Stupak's up (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by waldenpond on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:00:41 PM EST
    Stupak:  The motion to recommitt claims to be a right to life motion... it's an opportunity to continue to deny 32 million health care.

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    A long way of saying (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:01:32 PM EST
    that it's a poison pill. Stupak is folding completely. The MTR will fail--shockingly.

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    Seriously, (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:04:07 PM EST
    Stupak has basically folded you generally don't see such a complete collapse on the Blue Dog, conservative side.

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    Well, they don't aways get what they want (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:17:14 PM EST
    enshrined in an executive order

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    He Did Not Get (none / 0) (#125)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:19:15 PM EST
    What He Wanted.  He caved utterly and totally.

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    and the wrath of his fellow (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by denise k on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:11:01 AM EST
    pro-lifers, is the price he paid for his gamesmanship.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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    He seems to me to be so beaten (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 02:01:46 PM EST
    down by all this, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he decided not to run again.

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    Told ya (none / 0) (#123)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:18:21 PM EST
    :-)

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    Baby Killer shout (none / 0) (#80)
    by waldenpond on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:24:10 PM EST
    Apparently a man with a southern accent called out 'baby killer' at Stupak while he was speaking.  People are now scrambling to find out who it was.  Is it weird to hope it wasn't another Dem?

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    Camera on Joe Wilson? (none / 0) (#84)
    by Peter G on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:28:08 PM EST


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    Real stupid question (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:56:05 PM EST
    What does recommit mean?

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    It's a parliamentary fiction (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 09:57:52 PM EST
    What is is a last shot for the minority to offer an amendment.

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    Teddy on heathcare reform, circa 1978 (none / 0) (#97)
    by domer5000 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:39:53 PM EST


    Sorry for link problem (none / 0) (#99)
    by domer5000 on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:41:21 PM EST
    here

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    President didn't get C-SPAN's (none / 0) (#106)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:52:37 PM EST
    immediate attention.  But when President's remarks are on C-SPAN, he is talking about beating down the insurance industry.  This seems like a mistake.

    LOL (5.00 / 3) (#109)
    by SOS on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:57:07 PM EST
    I think it's the Insurance companies who have been doing the beatings. IMO

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    They're mixed on this (none / 0) (#124)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 11:19:10 PM EST
    on the balance the industry seems opposed to the bill though if you go by funding- they liked the status quo more.

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    Because the door is open... (none / 0) (#131)
    by mike in dc on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:12:27 AM EST
    ...to further regulation down the road...no public option, the mandate and subsidies probably seem to them like a bribe to get them to accept limits on their overhead, to take high-risk customers and no longer exclude PECs.  Some of them see a way to come out way ahead, and others are probably suspicious that another shoe will drop and flat out destroy them all.

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    Hats off to Nancy (none / 0) (#133)
    by nrglaw on Mon Mar 22, 2010 at 12:30:55 AM EST
    Her record remains intact. She still has not lost a vote as Speaker. And she has done a lot to shlep Obama into the real world.

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