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    Resolved: Nancy Pelosi should remain (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 11:24:48 PM EST
    House Dem Leader.

    In my view, she should move on, but not to make way for the likes of Steny Hoyer. Jim Clyburn, whom I do not respect for reasons not worth rehashing, is probably even worse. We need a pugnacious leader, not one who will go along to get along.

    Thoughts?

    For San Francisco residents: who might run to replace Pelosi?

    Let's get a real liberal fighter-- (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by honora on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 07:19:00 AM EST
    I would love to see Anthony Weiner he is young, really smart and agrees with me!

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    I like him (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:41:05 AM EST
    Just be aware that he's really something of a hawk.

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    He's also running for Mayor of New York (none / 0) (#54)
    by tigercourse on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:53:49 AM EST
    in 3 years.

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    I doubt Hoyer would get the votes (none / 0) (#2)
    by shoephone on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 11:36:03 PM EST
    He's not trusted by the libs at all. Sounds as thogh Pelosi wants to hang out with the grandkids. I'd like to see another Californian, Geroge Miller, as minority leader.

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    Door #3 seems to be Chris Van Hollen (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 11:56:22 PM EST
    Not a bad choice IMO.

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    I guess that's what losing 59 seats gets a guy: (none / 0) (#5)
    by shoephone on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:03:08 AM EST
    the leadership postition! You may be right, but I actually wonder if being so closely aligned with Pelosi helps or hurts his chances?

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    The Democratic caucus won't blame the (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:12:56 AM EST
    losses on him. Nor should they.

    Under the circumstances, the committee did the best it could--which was not much.

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    <spellcheck> (none / 0) (#3)
    by shoephone on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 11:36:42 PM EST
    George.

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    That's my Rep now (none / 0) (#13)
    by nycstray on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:14:24 AM EST
    (since I moved). Iirc, my district went for HRC, but as a SD, he went for Obama . . . .  I'd rather see my old Rep Nadia Velazquez.

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    She's getting a bad rap (none / 0) (#10)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:44:27 AM EST
    The list of too-progressive-for-the-%^&*-Senate bills she got through the house is truly ... sickening considering what just happened.  Cap-and-trade, for one.  Public option for another.  It makes me sick.  Wait, I already said that.

    I'd be fine with her sticking around - but she probably can't.

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    You think Pelosi will resign (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:14:56 AM EST
    her seat? Or step down as leader? or both? She did just win reelection.

    I guess she could step down from the leadership; serve out this next term; then retire from politics. I don't know.

    Honestly, I don't see any good possibilities for Dem. leader. No to Hoyer. No to Clyburn. No to Van Hollen.

    Given that it appears the Senate Dems are going to make the disastrous decision to keep Reid as Majority Leader, I'd like to see a strong liberal voice as the leader in the House. Also, a fighter who both can and will battle the horrific policies that are sure to come from the Repubs. (and, sadly, the WH). I just don't know who that would be if not Pelosi.

    We need that voice somewhere in the Party, and it is clearly not going to come from either the Senate or the Oval Office. The House is all we've got.

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    If she doesn't keep her job (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:31:22 AM EST
    as party leader, she'll quit the House too.

    No sense sticking around otherwise.

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    This is enough to ruin your day (none / 0) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:11:02 AM EST
    Heath Shuler Would Challenge Pelosi For House Minority Leader Post

    Shuler not just one who will go along to get along he is in full agreement with the conservative agenda.


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    Just announced... (none / 0) (#57)
    by jes on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:18:41 PM EST
    top story at the moment on DK. She is running for Minority Leader.

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    If she's running, she has the votes (none / 0) (#64)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:05:10 PM EST
    Welcome back Leader Pelosi.

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    From NPR (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by daring grace on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 06:59:49 AM EST
    "...And for the first time since the 1970s, the new Congress will have fewer women than the previous one had."

    More from NPR: (none / 0) (#37)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:37:04 AM EST
    There will likely be fewer women in Congress for the first time since the 1970s, said Debbie Walsh, director of the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University.

    "This year is the first time that it has gone down, it's gone down a little bit, but going down or staying the same if you care about women's participation in politics," she said.

    Women make up a mere 17 percent of Congress now. . . .

    But after what we saw in 2008, I am amazed at how many women still are willing to enter the world of "bros before hos" at all.  

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    Speaking of 2008... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:50:58 AM EST
    In Jay-Z's new book, he reveals who the b*tch is in the track "99 Problems".

    He says was referring to a K-9 drug sniffin' dog who was late to arrive at a traffic stop during his drug-dealing days, saving Jay-Z a long stint in the clink...hence "99 problems but a b*tch ain't one".

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    Hilarious (none / 0) (#71)
    by republicratitarian on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:51:12 PM EST
    Thought you might like this story.

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    Nice one... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:03:19 PM EST
    for a Friday, score one for free speech via one finger salute!

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    The Black Crowes... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:32:53 AM EST
    bid those of us catching them for the last time before their indefinite hiatus a rollicking goodbye last night, with a monster 3 hour show full or hits, rarities, and even Flying Burrito Brothers and Velvet Underground covers...good good times.  I'm gonna miss you Crowes!

    Except for the security guard jacking my sh*t it was a perfect evening...hope the stolen buzz was worth the bad karma lady.

    Amazing what happens... (none / 0) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:55:30 AM EST
    ...when you give someone a windbreaker with "Event Staff" stamped on it, huh?  

    Hopefully you were able to find a fellow traveler to help you out with your situation!  

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    Dude... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:09:50 AM EST
    I was pretty hot there for a minute, but whaddya gonna do?  They got you by the short and curlies...your choice is let 'em jack ya or don't see the show.

    No random acts of kindness by others required though, I'm a wiley veteran, I had E.J.'s that were not discovered in the vigorous pat down, so it coulda been a lot worse:)

    I will be avoiding the Best Buy Theater for all but can't miss acts, I'll can tell ya that much...f*ck that place, no respect for the customers.  One of my cohorts said I should write to the Crowes for reimbursement.

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    AARP raiseS health care costs (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:23:35 AM EST
    For its employees. States the increase is necessary due to HCR (which AARP strongly supported).  See AP.


    States "a small part ..." (none / 0) (#8)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:40:54 AM EST
    ... of the increase is due to HCR, specifically needing to stay below the Cadillac Tax threshold.  Most of the increase is due to medical inflation.

    From the article:

    AARP officials said medical inflation is the main reason employee costs will be going up. The health care law is "a small part," said David Certner, legislative affairs director.

    It's on the TL Headline News box, I just read it.

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    That's where I read the headline, which, of (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:42:18 AM EST
    course, AARP did not write.  Are you their lobbyist?

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    First - Don't just read the headline (none / 0) (#11)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:45:22 AM EST
    Read the article.

    Second - bite me.

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    I am an abstinent vampiress. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:53:48 AM EST
    Too funny! (none / 0) (#15)
    by Amiss on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:47:03 AM EST
    Ex-Prosecutor (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:22:04 AM EST
    Same thing!

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    Double Funny... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:36:52 AM EST
    Oc and squeak should go on the road together.

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    I love road trips (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:43:51 AM EST
    but I will sit that one out

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    But I thought the CW is prosecutors are (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:51:38 AM EST
    always out for blood.

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:56:33 AM EST
    out for blood and pounds of flesh, but you're outta that racket now, hence abstinent.

    (Just f*ckin' with ya, you know I love ya kid:)


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    If you've got a couple weeks to spare, (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:02:54 PM EST
    you most likely would enjoy a book I am reading and Jeralyn has read: "Shantaram," a novel by Gregory David Roberts.  933 pages.  Set in Mumbai.  Protagonist is Australian, an escaped prisoner.  You'd like his attitude and philosophy on criminal justice, correctional officers, excessive force.  The whole nine yards.  Plus it is good read.

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    I've got a lifetime.. (none / 0) (#78)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:11:53 PM EST
    for good reading...Gracias.

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    Good for your "hermitude." (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:24:13 PM EST
    Catch me on Wisconsin Public Radio 7AM Central (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ben Masel on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 04:51:01 AM EST
    I'll be Joy Cardin's guest for an hour.

    Topics: Cali's Prop 19, Dane County Medical Marijuana referendum, Agricultural Hemp.

    Live stream http://wpr.org/webcasting/live.cfm
    Podcast goes up sometime in the afternoon.

    Call in 1-800-642-1234

    Sure you kicked arse Ben... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:34:36 AM EST
    anxious to check out the podcast later.

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    Montreal. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 06:57:29 AM EST
    I had almost forgotten...

    Is there anything sexier than a man with a French accent?  I think not.

    Spanish accent...... :-)! (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by vml68 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:39:45 AM EST
    n/t

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    Yes, I agree! (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:47:15 AM EST
    But when in Montreal...

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    great city (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:57:42 AM EST
    like paris.  it would be great except for the freach.

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    It is great. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:16:04 AM EST
    My first time here. (Been to Paris before.) Great restaurants, beautiful section of Old Montreal, great conference.

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    it is a great city (none / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:19:42 AM EST
    I spent a bit over a year there around 04.


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    I guess it used to be (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:23:03 AM EST
    sort of like the coasts are compared to the rest of america in canadaian culture.  probably not so much any more but not to long ago when they were banning movies in ontario and other places there quebec was wide open.

    one of the things I found interesting was I guess what you would call the lack of zoning.  a lap dancing place right next to very upscale establishments.  

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    Try Milo's - fabulous fish! (none / 0) (#59)
    by Angel on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:39:16 PM EST
    Thanks Angel, I will try that. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:57:42 PM EST
    Just had a crepe for lunch - goat cheese, spinach, mushrooms. Yum.

    It is rainy and cold here though.

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    rainy and cold (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:01:15 PM EST
    yeah
    I came there about this time of year from 14 years in SoCal so with the first snow I was like, "WOW, ITS SNOWING!!"
    the following day I was like, "wow, its still snowing"
    a week later I was like "damn its STILL snowing?"
    a month later I was like, "holy mother of god pleeeeeease make it stop snowing!"

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    um (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:01:11 AM EST
    french

    its early

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    yes, (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 08:54:52 AM EST
    a woman with a French accent.

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    LOL. You are probably right. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:16:20 AM EST
    If only Le Crepe Bretonne (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:12:37 AM EST
    still was there.  A wonderful restaurant near McGill U with a menu of more than 100 crepes ranging from student-budget prices to tourist prices.  I recently read that it closed, after decades there, to the mourning of many in Montreal -- and beyond, because it is one of many warm memories of many visits there.  I am planning a return as soon as possible, but I will have to find a new favorite restaurant.  Fortunately, there are many options there!

    And will you have time to get to Quebec City?  So historic, so lovely. . . .

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    I shall try. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:30:48 AM EST
    But if one more man wishes me good day in French while kissing my hand....

    I may never return to the U.S.

    :)


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    First time I went there (none / 0) (#45)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:04:56 AM EST
    was on a train, with a friend who spoke French so read aloud for me the statement in French over the door of the traincar.  It sounded so lovely!

    But then she translated it for me: Please do not flush toilet in station.  

    Yes, everything sounds so lovely in French.  But make those male waiters tell you what the menu means!

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    We took train from Montreal to Quebec (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:05:09 PM EST
    City.  Bought yummy food and small bottles of wine at the fabulous deli at the Montreal train station.  But, the conductor sd. couldn't open the pre-purchased wine on the train.  Had to buy our alcohol on the train.  But--we didn't.  

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    2010 Election Breakdown (none / 0) (#20)
    by vicndabx on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 07:38:31 AM EST
    A new interpretation of the 2010 election results

    What's interesting is who voted for the Republicans and why. Independent voters, white working-class voters, seniors, and men broke heavily against the Democrats due to the economy. Turnout levels were also unusually low among young and minority voters and unusually high among groups that lear right, contributing to a midterm electorate that was extremely favorable to Republican candidates.

    Not there's much new in terms of reasons, the numbers were interesting however.

    I know politics is stupid... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:19:03 AM EST
    because those voters are the same ones Obama and the blue dogs were worried about losing with a large 'liberal' stimulus package.

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    to clarify, I am referring to the people (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:21:40 AM EST
    that voted Republican anyway. Timidity got the Dems nowhere. No one appreciates a timid, well meaning attempt that does not work. But they may reward an attempt they don't think will work, but does.

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    sort of interesting (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:01:46 AM EST
    superman (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:31:51 AM EST
    Zack Snyder Declares His `Superman' Is `Different;' General Zod Not the Villain

    Even though Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen) still has five months to go before he releases his next movie, Sucker Punch, it seems all anyone wants to talk about is his follow up. That's bound to happen, though, when you'll be helming a reboot of Superman written by David Goyer and produced by Christopher Nolan. Since the announcement, Snyder has been taking the Nolan route in talking about the film, speaking in grandiose, unspecific statements. But still, when the director of one of the most anticipated films of the upcoming decade talks about it, you listen and dissect. We'll do just that after the break and refute at least one "confirmed" fact.


    great, Piggy on Palin (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:55:31 AM EST
    Americans Vote for Maturity
    Obama gets a rebuke, but so do Republicans who seem unqualified.

    (pfft,  I will have what she is having)


    Conservatives talked a lot about Ronald Reagan this year, but they have to take him more to heart, because his example here is a guide. All this seemed lost last week on Sarah Palin, who called him, on Fox, "an actor." She was defending her form of policical celebrity--reality show, "Dancing With the Stars," etc. This is how she did it: "Wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in 'Bedtime for Bonzo,' Bozo, something? Ronald Reagan was an actor."

    Ronald Reagan was an artist who willed himself into leadership as president of a major American labor union - blah blah blah - Then he was elected president.

    The point is not "He was a great man and you are a nincompoop," though that is true. The point is that Reagan's career is a guide, not only for the tea party but for all in politics. He brought his fully mature, fully seasoned self into politics with him. He wasn't in search of a life when he ran for office, and he wasn't in search of fame; he'd already lived a life, he was already well known, he'd accomplished things in the world.

    Here is an old tradition badly in need of return: You have to earn your way into politics.

    got that mamma griz?  you gotta EARN it.  like Reagan did.  how do you do that.  why, by paying hommage to people like moi.


    I love this (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 10:33:22 AM EST
    every snotty sneering attack on her by people like Noonan puts her one step closer to the nomination.

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    I know (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:24:40 PM EST
    the snottiness seems to know no bounds lately.

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    Oh yes... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    the many accomplishments of Ronnie Reagan...sh*tty acting career, ratted out on all his Hollywood buddies to Joe Mac and Roy Cohn, punched many a hippy as California Gov, oversaw the beginning of America's economic decline, ran up sick debts buying weapons we never needed...have I missed anything?

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    aids. (none / 0) (#83)
    by jes on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 09:28:35 PM EST
    This is spine-chilling: (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:26:06 AM EST
    Banning class action lawsuits (none / 0) (#51)
    by waldenpond on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:48:09 AM EST
    Does anyone doubt the conservative Supreme Court is going to side with ATT and basicly ban class action lawsuits.  Circling the toilet drain....

    Linda Greenhouse on Justice (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 11:54:11 AM EST
    Sotomayor:  NYT

    Note L. Tribe's letter to Pres. Obama dissing her.  

    D.C. Court of Appeals (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:24:30 PM EST
    says trial court must reconsider, in light of current law, ruling releasing Gitmo detainee:  AP

    you go girl! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:52:53 PM EST

    Driven by the urgency of creating jobs & protecting #hcr, #wsr, Social Security & Medicare, I am running for Dem Leader. about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by 100+ people

    SpeakerPelosi
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi


    dont forget to (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:57:22 PM EST
    I may just fall on my face. 12.5 hrs. (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:06:43 PM EST
    time difference here to Delhi.  I am just waiting to adjust until after PST resumes!

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    better you (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:11:03 PM EST
    than me

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    Totally worth it though. Great trip. (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    Olbermann suspended indefinately (none / 0) (#66)
    by waldenpond on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:36:06 PM EST
    Love it.... conservative journos can actively campaign and fundraise but liberal journos can't donate private money.  Is anything better separate cultures of acceptability for a split society.  Your media.

    what? (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:37:50 PM EST
    link?

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    never mind (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:38:47 PM EST
    ya
    Im sure fox news will suspend it entire operation in solidarity

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    interesting take (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:39:50 PM EST
    Pelosi's Triumph
    Democrats didn't lose the battle of 2010. They won it.

    I'm not buying the autopsy or the obituary. In the national exit poll, voters were split on health care. Unemployment is at nearly 10 percent. Democrats lost a lot of seats that were never really theirs, and those who voted against the bill lost at a higher rate than did those who voted for it. But if health care did cost the party its majority, so what? The bill was more important than the election.


    I nominate this fellow for WH press sec'y. (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:08:14 PM EST
    he makes (none / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 02:11:54 PM EST
    some excellent points.  and I totally agree that the bill, even if the bill marginally sucked, was more important than their majority.


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    I agree with that philosophy (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 03:02:30 PM EST
    Which is why they should have gone for broke on getting a better bill and to heck with the re-election worries.

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