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Here are mine:

GOP captures House winning 63 seats. Prominent losers include Grayson in Florida and a slew of Blue Dogs, including Adler in New Jersey, Altmire in PA, Childers in Mississippi, Shuler in North Carolina, Perriello in Virginia, and many many more. Surprise loss will be Frank Pallone in New Jersey.

Pelosi retires.

GOP picks up 9 in the Senate. In the prominent races, the GOP dominates- Rand Paul (KY), Marco Rubio (FL), Pat Toomey(PA), Mark Kirk (IL), Ken Buck (CO), Joe Miller (AK), Sharron Angle (NV), Dino Rossi (WA), and Ron Johnson (WI) all win. Joe Manchin become a virtual Republican to hold off Raese in West Virginia.

Harry Reid's political career is over. More importantly, so is Russ Feingold's.

In the governor's races, the only big win in a close race will be Alex Sink in Florida. Strickland goes down in Ohio and so on. California (Brown and Boxer) is the lone Dem bright spot outside of Alex Sink.

Speaking for me only

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    I will be interested to see what the (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:31:16 PM EST
    losses are within the Blue Dog coalition.

    its going to be a bad night (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:15:58 PM EST
    for blue dogs Im thinkin.

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    A slim Dem majority with a decimated... (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by magster on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:29:11 PM EST
    ... Blue Dog caucus and a victorious Alan Grayson (to put to bed the myth that a progressive can't win a tossup or red-leaning district) is my fantasy tonight.

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    I have the same fantasy - (none / 0) (#106)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:50:22 PM EST
    I want people like Sestak to prevail and I'd like to see the Republican-lite cycled out of the Democratic Party.

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    And Pelosi and Reid wanted the rookie (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:35:18 PM EST
    Wonder what the outcome would have been if the Pro had been in charge and made an impact in the first year with the rookie learning the ropes as VP. It once again comes down to "It's the economy stupid". Dem cry of the 90's. Gosh I miss those day.
    I just want these guys/gals to start doing for the public rather than the party. Another pipe dream for sure.

    Well (5.00 / 8) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:42:08 PM EST
    it becomes more obvious everyday what a mistake running Obama was but there's nothing that can be done about that right now. The worst part of this is he's going to think that he should continue the failed policies of the GOP. We are going to have a lost decade because of that fatal mistake of nominating Obama.

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    It's the economy stupid (3.60 / 5) (#64)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:18:58 PM EST
    Unless Hillary could have come in and magically made a few million jobs appear (answer: no) we were going to lose seats anyway.

    The Clintons are no more miracle workers than Obama, and every obstacle he faced, they would have faced.

    Again, for the millionth time, if Obama is so bad, why are his poll numbers identical to what Clinton's were at this exact time (with a worse economy and two wars and Tea Baggers and etc.).

    You don't fix the worse recession in 80 years in 21 months.

    Anyway, I hope that Obama wins another turn in large part to make the heads of folks like you explode.

    Two years later and we're still hearing that nonsense. Get over it. She lost.

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    Clinton (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:27:13 PM EST
    The economic stimulus was too timid.  That is Obama's fault.

    Timidity is not Hillary Clinton's strong suit, shall we say...or maybe it's not her weak suit.

    The woman is a fighter.  Obama, on the other hand, is not.

    I don't think that's an opinion, it's an observation.  

    Clinton's stimulus would have been stronger.  She would very likely have listened to the Krugman's of the world.

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    Yeah she's such (1.00 / 1) (#207)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:45:06 PM EST
    a great fighter- hey remember how HCR went in 1993 man that fiestiness sure made a difference.

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    Being a "fighter" doesn't mean ... (5.00 / 1) (#216)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:06:41 PM EST
    ... you always win.  It would have been quite easy to roll over and agree to the Republican HCR plan, which is essentially the plan Obama adopted last year.

    But that would make him the opposite of a fighter, now, wouldn't it?

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    Actually I do remember how that went (none / 0) (#217)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:07:20 PM EST
    and they gave her Tricare to reform and prove her notions.  I was not a dependent then, but I was told she did a great job and most people were very happy with Hillary's Tricare who had to live with it.  Since then though, it doesn't resemble what she gave us at all.  All the great stuff has been stripped out item by item.  And it pays providers crap now too while costing the American people a fricken fortune to give its soldiers, but it didn't start out that way.

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    Gender slur: (none / 0) (#220)
    by the capstan on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:13:45 PM EST
    "Feisty" is not a particularly complimentary term (but you knew that) for a woman.  (And in the south, a feist is a nondecript dog.)


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    Hillary is not part of the equation (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:27:49 PM EST
    Yes, the party in power usually loses seats in off-year elections.  That's going to be the WH talking points.  However, the expected losses are going to be another "historic" on Obama's resume - one I'm sure he doesn't want.  Amazing how the Democratic Party was on top of the world 2 years ago, and we were hearing about the demise of the Republican Party.  Pretty amazing feat the WH did in just two years time. Even Bill didn't do that.

    Who cares what Hillary would or wouldn't have done?  Do I think she would have done things differently?  Yes.  Do I think she would have focused on jobs and the economy and not a health bill that gives the store to insurance companies?  Yes.  But it's a moot point.

    Am I tired of the whining of "give him time"?  Yes.  Are we going to hear more whining about how hard the job is, and that it's all John Boehner's fault?  Yes, we are.

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    You're sure Obama doesn't (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:53:54 PM EST
    want that.  He didn't seem too concerned until about ten days ago and there were idiots in the White House leaking statements about how maybe it would be easier for him if the Congress was GOP controlled.  I think that there was a contingent of idiots in the White House who actually didn't think that losing Congress would be so bad.  There's something very disconnected inside that place whether driven by arrogance or ignorance, they are going to find out quickly how much life can change with the House and the Senate in REAL opposition.

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    She was part of the equation when I went into the (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by honora on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:14:45 PM EST
    voting booth.  The DNC leadership backed Obama and I will go everything in my power to tie them to their disastrous choice.  I hope that through exit polls, the DNC sees that Democratic voters are pissed off.  If they continue to whistle past the graveyard on this one, it will just take the party longer to fix the problem and America can't afford to wait.

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    Fair to bring her up (none / 0) (#83)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:34:44 PM EST
    he was responding to a comment that brought her up.  I agree that thinking about what Hillary would have done is a waste of time.

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    Hillary Is Relevant (5.00 / 0) (#111)
    by SoCalHillMan on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:53:06 PM EST
    The 2008 convention is when we should have had a donnybrook to decide who was going to be at the top of the ticket, not a coronation. But oh no, we couldn't have that. This was exactly why I worked to support Hillary during the primaries, the fact that she wouldn't bow down to the GOP, unlike Obama, who performed exactly as I feared. He's Jimmy Carter Redux, if that. And you better believe if circumstances warrant it, it's not out of the realm of possibility for Hillary to pull a RFK to Obama's LBJ. I would cheer her on and work my tail off supporting her if she did.

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    Although... (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by Lena on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:27:08 PM EST
    Jimmy Carter had discernible convictions. Obama does not. Or if he does... what are they?

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    That would work out well (none / 0) (#205)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:42:14 PM EST
    then we could nominate a real liberal in 2016 and it could be 1972 all over again- wooo!!!   Seriously, I don't think you quite get what taking the nomination from Obama in Denver would have done to the Democratic Party- it would have been quite possibly a fatal blow for the longterm viability of the party as a whole- sorry but the sheer gall of the party asking African-Americans- by far the parties most loyal constituency-- to shut up and take after one of there own won the nomination by conventional measures- would have been one hell of a betrayal-- I mean honestly what would the argument have been to get African-American voters to the polls- "Next we wont betray you for the white southern lady!"

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    It (5.00 / 2) (#213)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:53:00 PM EST
    seems to me that Obama has done very well at destroying the party all by himself. The party is shambles after two years of his dithering. He had everything 60 senators, the house it all and he blew it because he is either too inept or too inexperienced to handle the job at hand.

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    Wow. Don't the facts stop you. (5.00 / 4) (#215)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:56:10 PM EST
    Facts, schmacts ... (5.00 / 2) (#218)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:08:13 PM EST
    They just get in the way of a good fairytale.

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    Don't know who you're talking about (4.00 / 2) (#209)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:47:18 PM EST
    Since HRC is not southern.

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    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:47:26 PM EST
    that we would have lost seats either way but I don't think that it would have been as bad as it's looking to be right now. I mean if the predictions are right, Obama is going to be in Nixon Watergate territory with the congressional losses.

    Obama ignored the economy. He did his check list and marked off a poor stimulus and then moved onto the disastrous HCR.

    Well, why is Obama looking to lose more seats in congress than Clinton did in '94 if the numbers are the same?

    Obama has been a disaster with his PPUS stuff. The fact is he has not made things better and they have gotten worse and that's why people are mad at him. People don't respect wimps and the GOP knows that they are going to roll over him. He's already talking about bending over backwards to work with these people and that means nothing more than giving them what they want because they do not compromise. He is not politically astute enough to understand that they want him to fail, country be damned.

    The thing about Hillary is that she knew that these people were crazy and that you can't work with crazy people. Obama thinks he can work with them. He doesn't understand why they don't think he is so awesome!! He's stuck reading his own press clippings I guess.

    Are you really happy that Obama has revived the GOP? You seen to be and you seem to want them to come back with a vengeance all because of your blind spot regarding Obama.

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    Talk about blind spots. (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Rashomon66 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:15:31 PM EST
    Well apparently you have a blind spot of Hillary. Get over it. The bottom line is the economy was not going to improve in 2 freakin' years with anyone as president. The voters just aren't patient and the GOP has easy [falst] talking points that make it easy for voters to follow.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 2) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:39:39 PM EST
    but Obama did a piss poor job with the time he had. He wasted his mandate playing PPUS and now look at what is going to happen?

    He put no legislation forward that is going to actually help the economy where it is needed and now if the GOP takes over, we will get NOTHING at all.

    Someone brought up Hillary and I responded. Stop making excuses for Obama. It's tiresome.

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    I'm not so sure (5.00 / 3) (#197)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:35:12 PM EST
    that Obama is a "bi-partisan boy" wimp.  I think that we at least have to consider the possibility that, despite his words, what has been done in the way of financial "reform," health "care" reform, and so on and on, is exactly what he wanted.  Look at whom he chose as his "team."  Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, and a whole host of economics advisors who are financial-industry-friendly and Chicago School of Economics types.  His campaign rhetoric does not mean that he actually believed and truly intended to implement any of that.  It got him elected, so it worked for him.  

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    Well (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:41:15 PM EST
    that's another theory that he got what he wanted all along. I guess there's been no bigger fool than the Obamacrats then who thought he was going to produce massive change.

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    I was never (none / 0) (#203)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:11:58 PM EST
    an Obamacrat, or a Hillarybot, for that matter.  I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the Primary.  But then, I've always been a DFH, lefty-liberal-pinko-etc.  I wasn't thrilled about Hillary, and I was always also very skeptical about Obama.  Obama isn't stupid, so I can only surmise that what he got was what he wanted.  Rahm isn't stupid, either.  My feeling (and, very obviously, I could be wrong) is that what we got was a DLC, centrist (to somewhat right of center, but that's just me) neoliberal.  When he appointed a slew of economic advisors who were financial-industry-friendly, Chicago School of Economics-friendly, that only served to confirm my feelings.    

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    Explain Clinton in 1994 (none / 0) (#204)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:38:03 PM EST
    Im curious since by your delusional standards he was so much better than Obama- why did he get massacred in 1994 and become the first Democrat in memory to lose both houses of congress?

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    This is (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:55:50 PM EST
    so stupid. By your standards Jimmy Carter was a smashing success.

    You obviously don't understand what has been happening to the democratic party for the last 40 years in the south. So many of those old Dixiecrats retired and the GOP took ALMOST all of those seats. It would probably account for 1/2 of all the seats lost in 1994. Now it's a different story.

    Please tell me when Bill Clinton cost the Dems a senate seat in MA?

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    No kidding (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:47:52 PM EST
    Unless Hillary could have come in and magically made a few million jobs appear (answer: no) we were going to lose seats anyway.  The Clintons are no more miracle workers than Obama, and every obstacle he faced, they would have faced.

    The question isn't about the problems Obama's faced, it's about how he's failed to address them - and, of course, his growing list of broken promises.  But that's much more difficult to face than imaginary expectations of "miracles".

    Again, for the millionth time, if Obama is so bad, why are his poll numbers identical to what Clinton's were at this exact time (with a worse economy and two wars and Tea Baggers and etc.).

    Easy ... the same reason it took over 4 years for GWB's numbers to drop below 50% - people are reluctant to admit it when they are duped.  Of course, all of that ignores the fact that Obama started his first term (a mere 20 months ago) with the highest approval numbers of any POTUS since Kennedy and has been declining ever since.  Want to place a bet on where his numbers are a year from now?  Yeah, ...

    ... didn't think so.

    Two years later and we're still hearing that nonsense. Get over it. She lost.

    Physician, heal thyself.

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    I'm willing to bet (none / 0) (#208)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:45:49 PM EST
    he gets re-elected in 2012.

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    Maybe, if there's a split ... (none / 0) (#219)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:11:24 PM EST
    ... between the Republicans and TPers, or if they're stupid enough to nominate a winger.  But I guess that just makes you an eternal optimist, ...

    well, ...

    ... at least when it comes to Obama.

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    Oh, geez - more of this baloney... (5.00 / 10) (#108)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:51:07 PM EST
    It's the economy stupid

    Yes, it sure is.

    Unless Hillary could have come in and magically made a few million jobs appear (answer: no) we were going to lose seats anyway.

    No one's talking about magic, but a larger stimulus and recognition that demand is created by ordinary paycheck-earning people, would have set us on a better path.

    The Clintons are no more miracle workers than Obama, and every obstacle he faced, they would have faced.

    A good, hard look at the resumes of both Clintons reveals a lot about who they are, what matters to them, and how hard they are willing to work for those things; of course the obstacles may have been the same, but the approach, the solutions, the strategy may have been quite different, with different results.

    Again, for the millionth time, if Obama is so bad, why are his poll numbers identical to what Clinton's were at this exact time (with a worse economy and two wars and Tea Baggers and etc.).

    Why does that matter so much?  It was 16 years ago, and nothing is the same.  Nothing.  For some reason you keep consoling yourself with the past - and all that does is prevent you from looking at the reality of where we are right now, and where we are headed.  Denial is not serving you well.

    You don't fix the worse recession in 80 years in 21 months.

    No one expected that, but the course Obama set was seen quite early as not one that would be effective in moving us in the right direction.

    Anyway, I hope that Obama wins another turn in large part to make the heads of folks like you explode.

    So, what really matters to you is Obama, not what he's doing, or not doing, or how it's affecting the real lives of real people - you just want him to win again for the same reason he always wants to win: to prove something, to win for the sake of winning.  That's about as shallow as it gets, but not surprising coming from a member of the Obama Apologist and Enabler Club.

    Two years later and we're still hearing that nonsense. Get over it. She lost.

    Given that you can hardly type two lines without mentioning one Clinton or the other - one to prove that Obama's doing a great job and the other just to rile people up - I think the one with the Clinton problem is you; I mean, how would you defend Obama without them?


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    No miracle workers, but experience (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:36:08 PM EST
    I think you are assuming I don't like Obama ABG. But that is not true. I felt he needed more experience and as a VP, could step right into the eventual Presidency. That said, I feel that the Clintons faced a similiar situation when he went into office and with that experience at fixing the economy problems without the learning curve now, it might be recovering faster. In fact, true Dems are not knocking Obama as much as the Indies who voted for change. No change appears, they jump ship and go with the next one who promises change. Maybe the WH thinks if the GOP House and Senate can't perform, then in 2 years it all rocks back to the Dem. I am not included in their WH chats so I can not give an opinion on their plan. I will say however that there were many things done that just do not show up because in the end, it is the economy that people worry about. Keeping their heads above water. Keeping a roof over their heads. Keeping their kids fed. I was really pointing out the irony of the speaker and Senate leader. Didn't work out quite like they planned. I have to go vote now. I am in Chris Carney's area. He should be fine. At least those horrible political ads are over for 15 months.
     

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    At least when Clinton entered office (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:42:23 PM EST
    He had been a governor (twice) of a state - so he had experience working with a legislature, budgets, and generally running things.  That's a big step up from a novice Senator.

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    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#210)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:47:21 PM EST
    was Bill Clinton up for election in 2008 or was it someone who'd served 6 years in elective office.

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    6 years (none / 0) (#212)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:49:25 PM EST
    and much more other experience like work with children, law firm partner, etc., rather than 2 years of Senate work and spending 2 years running for President.

    But, my how bitter Obama supporters have become when they have to defend the person, you know, actually in charge and responsible for the mess we're in.

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    Totally disagree with your comment. (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Angel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:00:06 PM EST
    The difference between Obama and Hillary is that she's a fighter and he isn't. She's a leader, he hasn't shown the required leadership on any issue since he was elected.  And a couple of other differences:  she knew the Washington establishment, and she wouldn't have let Harry and Nancy run/ruin the show. She's just overall smarter and more politically savvy than Obama.  And that makes a huge difference.  

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    What evidence is there of this (1.00 / 0) (#211)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:48:41 PM EST
    I see nothing on her resume that suggests this political savvy- hell, her biggest bullet point was bungling HCR so badly that it was radiocative for more than a decade- wow, that's political genius right there.

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    You're right, ... (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:16:56 PM EST
    ... a "true genius" would have simply adopted the Republican plan, broken every major promise on HCR, and made backroom deals with the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists to get them onboard, just so he could get a bill (any bill) to sign.

    Now that would be "political genius".

    Parent

    Wow (5.00 / 0) (#222)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:18:36 PM EST
    Obama has made the entire party radioactive.

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    You see nothing on her resume because you (5.00 / 1) (#224)
    by Angel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 08:32:36 PM EST
    haven't look at it, obviously.

    Parent
    I agree with some of that (none / 0) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:32:57 PM EST
    but he sure has made it easy for them.

    I am very interested in the tone of the news conference tomorrow.  

    Parent

    Maybe (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:34:52 PM EST
    He'll go back on the air with Ryan Seacrest to give it.

    Parent
    Ever hear of a song (none / 0) (#87)
    by the capstan on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:37:03 PM EST
    called "Johnny One-Note"?

    Parent
    Ever heard of this blogs policy... (none / 0) (#97)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:44:02 PM EST
    ...against giving out 1's to people just because you don't agree with someone?

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    You have heard of it? (3.00 / 2) (#143)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:29:31 PM EST
    Doesn't stop you ...

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    Is that a fact. (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:02:58 PM EST
    Let us compare my ratings to yours

    The fact is that you are a prime violator of the Jeralyn's rule in this regard.

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    Oops (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by squeaky on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:06:41 PM EST
    Yman got Busted... lol

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    "Busted"? (1.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:38:27 PM EST
    Do you even know what that word means?  I could care less if someone gives me a "1" rating.  I also never claimed I didn't give "1" ratings.  I just think it's hilarious that MileHi feels qualified to lecture someone about giving "1" ratings to those they disagree with, when he does the very same thing.

    "Busted"?  Pffffftttt ....

    Almost as bad as your "LOL"s ...

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    Yes (none / 0) (#167)
    by squeaky on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:41:59 PM EST
    You got busted...  all your ratings are now in danger of being deleted...

    Bragging is a weakness.

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    Seriously?!?!? (1.00 / 1) (#168)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:45:22 PM EST
    My ratings are "in danger"?!?!?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ....

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    Very good (1.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:05:39 PM EST
    Now let's see the part where I complain about someone giving a "1" rating because they disagree.

    I'll wait ...

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    Uh-oh (1.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:33:06 PM EST
    Now you did it, Thanin.  Stand by for a lecture from MileHi on the proper use of "1" ratings.

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    Here You are Complaining (none / 0) (#165)
    by squeaky on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:39:33 PM EST
    Now let's see the part where I complain about someone giving a "1" rating because they disagree.

    Parent
    Complaining (none / 0) (#166)
    by squeaky on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:40:16 PM EST
    Now let's see the part where I complain about someone giving a "1" rating because they disagree.


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    Heh ... (3.67 / 3) (#170)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:47:46 PM EST
    So it's a reading comprehension issue, then ...

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    I passed out that '1' (none / 0) (#175)
    by the capstan on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:22:05 PM EST
    and my comment explained why--not because I agreed or disagreed.  Same ol' same ol' reference to guess who--the 'one note' ABG keeps hitting.

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    Its nice (none / 0) (#206)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:44:05 PM EST
    to see the sour grapes brigade out in full force today. Whine a little more and maybe next time the canidate with overwhelming institutional advantages wont prove to be a failure and let the upstart come from behind to win.

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    Have to defer to your expertise ... (5.00 / 1) (#223)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:49:46 PM EST
    ... on sour grapes and whining, but the "overwhelming institutional advantages" line was pretty funny.

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    I've asked but have yet to find (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:42:07 PM EST
    more than only one Obama voter who, before voting, looked into the school of thought of the U of
    Chicago economists.  (I did.)  But then, I found hardly any Obama voters in 2008 who made the economy a criterion or even knew that a recession had started.

    I tell (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:43:33 PM EST
    people this and they are amazed. I tell them that Obama is a supply side apostle. It's just like people never looked that deeply at W. and all his failures before running for President.

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    Yes, Obama and his (none / 0) (#36)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:57:53 PM EST
    economics team are definitely channeling the ghost of Milton Friedman.

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    Most of the strong Obama supporters (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:52:03 PM EST
    I know are still believers that Obama has done everything that he could on the economy and it is just a matter of time. Of course, these people are among the more affluent members of the Democratic Party.

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    Uh oh (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:29:26 PM EST
    Chris Matthews agrees with you.

    Also calls Obama "elitist".

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    Predictably, IMO (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:58:50 PM EST
    In the 'what happens now?' predictions, record MSNBC goes back to the right.

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    Right (3.25 / 4) (#67)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:20:55 PM EST
    Because everyone who voted for Obama was an idiot and none of them had the brilliance that Clinton voters did to understand the real nuance of the economy and such.

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    Seems a little exagerrated, ... (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:32:36 PM EST
    ... but if you say so.

    BTW - Fun/easy word challenge.  See if you can write a sentence without the word "Clinton" in it.

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    Oh, I dunno about everyone (4.56 / 9) (#72)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:27:20 PM EST
    but thanks for making it easy to find the idiot here.

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    May I have permission to speak? (none / 0) (#149)
    by prittfumes on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:36:13 PM EST
    At least U-Chicago economists (none / 0) (#31)
    by observed on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:55:16 PM EST
    all have the same position as Obama when it comes to Social Security.

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    Prediciton... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:43:15 PM EST
    Jimmy Mac gets the 50k votes required to make "The Rent Is Too Damn High" party an official party in NY State, with ballot slots guaranteed in future elections.

    Err, 49,999 additional votes required.  Go Jimmy!

    Thanks for the chuckle (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:53:34 PM EST
    on what could be a pretty dismal day.

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    You're telling me... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:09:56 PM EST
    It's so dismal that besides Jimmy all I got is Prop 19 thousands of miles outside of my jurisdiction...and possible reduced booze taxes up I95 in Mass.

    Other than that same old Brand D/Brand R shuffle, with a dash of potential tea party crazy...nothing to get too worked up about.  Wall St./Corporate America/Military & Prison Industrial Complex will be served...always are.  

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    I'd vote for him if I lived in NY (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:57:00 PM EST
    'cuz I know that for sure, my rent is too d@mn high!

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    He is the best thing... (none / 0) (#98)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:46:47 PM EST
    to happen to NY politics since Grandpa Al Lewis.

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    My reactions - (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:56:27 PM EST
    Sad to see Grayson go.
    But I must say that that "Taliban Dan" ad was -- well, there is no excuse for it. He deliberately clipped a sentence to make Dan say something that was the opposite of what he actually said. This is a shame because what the guy has actually said and done with respect to women is horrific. Why Grayson didn't just lay that out in a relentless campaign is a mystery. I think Grayson likes to look for catch phrases. Too bad.

    Really sad to see Feingold go. He was the only voice in the Senate that I could listen to without cringing. To my knowledge, he received no substantial support from the National Democratic party.
    He deserved to win. The Democrats deserve to lose. What a mess.

    As for Pelosi and Reid - I have no use for either of them and will miss neither of them. From my perspective, they both attained leadership positions due to the Democratic sweep in 2006. There was a mandate to end the war in Iraq. Instead, they both went dutifully, cheerfully, along with Bush and sent in even more troops. Pelosi stated at one time that she would never again vote to fund the war. That didn't exactly pan out.

    Neither of them were leaders in any sense that has meaning for me.

    And that goes for the democratic party as a whole.

    If this republican sweep happens as predicted, I see it as a result of the complete abdication of the democrats. They have stood for absolutely nothing imo. More often than not, I have been disgusted by the utterances of the democrats in congress - as well as the one in the White House.

    I wanted us out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
    I wanted an end to rendition.
    I wanted Gitmo to be closed.
    I wanted single-payer healthcare - or public option at the least.
    I wanted an end to the patriot act.
    I wanted an end to the practice of indefinite detention without charge or trial.

    In short, I wanted progressive leadership. I wanted something from the democrats that I used to identify with democrats.
    Instead, I got something that I associate with republicans. From the top on down.

    I only hope that the republicans will end the wars.

    The wars are a non-issue, apparently.

    For me, they are THE issue.
    What makes us Americans.
    What drives our economy.

    Maybe the republicans will end them because they are not afraid of the republicans.

    That's the only silver lining I see in this unfolding horror show.

    NO they will pressure OBama for more war (none / 0) (#61)
    by BobTinKY on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:17:41 PM EST
    and Iran too.

    Not that Obama needs that much pressure, I am sure Hillary and Gates have been pushing to take on Iran since Obama got sworn in.

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    Voting in King County (Washington) is outpacing (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:12:05 PM EST
    2008. This should be good news for Patty Murray.

    Fingers crossed (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:13:09 PM EST
    All the initiatives on TAXES and ALCOHOL (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:37:51 PM EST
    should have given every registered voter in the state incentive to cast their ballot.

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    Let's see... (5.00 / 4) (#73)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:27:24 PM EST
    Frank Kratovil ekes out a victory over Andy Harris, but only after Harris challenges; it pretty much doesn't matter, because Kratovil is a serious Blue Dog.

    Martin O'Malley wins a second term in the MD statehouse by a bigger margin than he did last time, against the same opponent (former governor Bob Ehrlich - with emphasis on the "ich").

    The bigger the Democratic losses, the louder the claim will be that it's all the fault of the liberal left, who just were not content to sit down and shut up; I don't expect much blame to fall to Obama - I mean, haven't we seen how hard he's been campaigning, for heaven's sake? - so that leaves the liberals as the most likely punching bag.  We will be threatened in another year with, "don't you remember what happened last time you all whined about things?"

    Even if the challenge never materializes, I think there will be some energy and time spent discussing the possibility that Obama could face a primary challenge should he decide to run again; it won't be from Hillary.  

    Effort will also be applied to the creation of a new party: paging Russ Feingold, perhaps?

    Booman has to take a leave of absence to recover from the mid-terms; the level of analysis and discourse on some other prominent blogs will be even worse than it has been to this point.

    There is a suggestion that the members of the CatFood Commission try living for a year on whatever reduced benefits they suggest for the rest of Americans who rely on the programs to keep them out of the homeless shelter.

    Alan Simpson will author a cookbook: 101 Ways to Stretch Your Food Dollar with CatFood.

    Elizabeth Warren?  Who's that?

    Banks, loan servicers and securitizers of debt will get away with it.  Again.

    Final prediction:  I will be having more than one glass of wine tonight!

    I predict a run of really ugly (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:22:21 PM EST
    books on the Obama administration.

    Wow (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:11:25 PM EST
    bad night. That makes the wins close to Dems in '74 and would be the second highest loss in the history of the country?

    From what I've been reading (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:14:54 PM EST
    And of course, everyone has an opinion, tonight could be historic in how many seats lost.  We keep hearing "the party in power always loses seats in the midterms" - not like this apparently, ever.

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    Must be very exciting for you. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Thanin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:35:23 PM EST
    Waiting for your insightful comments (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:35:52 PM EST
    is what is exciting to me

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    I like how that's not a denial. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Thanin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:37:51 PM EST
    It's too silly to respond to (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:38:39 PM EST
    Yeah... ok... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Thanin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:40:19 PM EST
    and the quickest (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:43:21 PM EST
    turnaround from one party to the other, yes?

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    oh I agree (5.00 / 0) (#124)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:03:58 PM EST
    once the country gets a good look at the TPers they will run away.

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    Seems plausible (none / 0) (#2)
    by Demi Moaned on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:11:42 PM EST
    The only particular I would quarrel with is WA Senate race. I expect Patty Murray to survive.

    I do too (none / 0) (#15)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:39:57 PM EST
    East Coast media reporting on Washington state  always exhibits a lot of ignorance. They misunderstand the reasons for the close race between Rossi and Gregoire and expect the same dynamic to prevail in this race. In reality, the races couldn't be more different.

    None the less, I do worry about the tax measures bringing out a lot of conservatives -- and, more important, Republican leaning Libertarians who, without a Libertarian on the ballot, may vote for Rossi.

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    Forget the East Coast media (none / 0) (#123)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:03:19 PM EST
    On election eve, most of the "smart money" here at ground zero -- from old pro's to mew media -- makes Rossi the favorite.

    Fingers crossed for Patty, anyway.

    For audacious hope, there's still East Coast Big Media Nate (who makes Murray an 80% favorite).

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    KOMO News this morning (none / 0) (#162)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:33:16 PM EST
    had Patty back in the lead.

    Rossi was thought to have a fierce chance at winning Governor 2 years ago, too, and the polls were REALLY wrong.


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    same here (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:12:43 PM EST
    still think Reid pulls it out.  also surprises in Alaska.

    other than that.  I pretty much agree.

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    oh (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:15:23 PM EST
    and not so sure Buck will win either.


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    I hope your electoral picks are more accurate (none / 0) (#4)
    by BTAL on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:17:16 PM EST
    than your football handicapping this year.  ;-)

    Manchin will vote like Ben Nelson.

    Do you think (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:24:14 PM EST
    Feingold will pack his bags and leave politics?

    My wish would be .... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by trillian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:29:22 PM EST
    ...that he primaries Obama from the Left in '12

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    Yup. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:37:12 PM EST
    Would be nice.

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    For us... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:51:02 PM EST
    it would be nice, but for Russ?  I almost wouldn't wanna wish it on him...he's too good an egg for this politics business.

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    IFeingold (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:05:38 PM EST
    is exactly the kind of egg we need.

    If he wanted to go for it, I think it could be a truly uplifting and energizing phenomenon. Something based in reality as opposed to the strange Pied Piper show that was the Obama campaign.

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    Yes he is... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:14:55 PM EST
    exactly what we need, but I can't say he is what we deserve...far too good for this lot called America.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:46:38 PM EST
    Short answer (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:54:46 PM EST
    I really haven't paid attention to what he's been doing and saying, but has he indicated that he would?

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    What's left for him to do? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:11:09 PM EST
    He's not running for President.

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    I'd love to see a scathing... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:16:22 PM EST
    tell-all book shining light on all kinds of dirty...that would be a grand final act of public service.

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    It would be a long book (none / 0) (#88)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:38:06 PM EST
    a couple of thousand pages. At least. Maybe have to be multiple volumes? An encyclopedia?

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    I think he'll head to a think tank (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:56:48 PM EST
    as was one of my predictions here last week, or to prof at a campus, perhaps in D.C. but probably in Wisconsin.  If the latter, remember that he left his hometown and moved to Madison a while ago -- and another possibility is another campus where he has an old pol pal from the state legislature now a prof -- and one that I now think Feingold was sounding out when he visited the campus and old pol pal last year.  Those are big cities, and both are close to family (including his sister, a leading rabbi in the state, although yet another campus in her city is not a large one so unlikely as a locale for him).

    Rest of last week's prediction:  ". . . in academe or nicely ensconced back in law practice by then.  And when people of sound, good minds get away from politics for a while, they often realize its addictive nature -- and the rest-and-recovery is so welcome that they don't go back."

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    To that I'll add that he was very professorial (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:31:09 PM EST
    in that speech here last year -- the first time that I had the pleasure of seeing him not politicking but talking about political science . . . for more than a soundbyte, that is; this was for more than an hour, followed by a q&a that he handled masterfully as well.

    Lucky me, if he does come home to teach at a campus nearby, as we have free auditing of courses here!  And I would so enjoy watching him work through lectures like that every week.

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    In the long run (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:33:19 PM EST
    This might be good for Feingold.  Not so good for the rest of us, but at least he will retain his soul.


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    Academe is no guarantee of that! (none / 0) (#174)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:20:18 PM EST
    and we certainly will continue to have the soul sucked out of our great public university system here under the next governor.  That could send Feingold to a private campus -- although the Madison campus is unusually protected, with its minimal reliance on state tax support, from the budgetary slash-and-burn style of the next gov.

    But an academic slot would continue to give Feingold a platform from which to fight, and he could be even more free to fight for the issues when not tied to the likes of Obama, Reid, et al.

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    I'd much rather see him teaching (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by shoephone on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:35:18 PM EST
    than lost in the rarefied air of the Brookings Insitute!

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    Your predictions are even more pessimistic (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:33:26 PM EST
    than mine.

    Eric Schneiderman?

    He wins (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:46:18 PM EST
    New York is safe for Dems. In no small part due to Paladino.

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    The polls suggest a fair amount (none / 0) (#37)
    by andgarden on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:59:47 PM EST
    of ticket splitting. I think he and DiNapoli only have a 50:50 shot.

    Here's my shocker loss of the night: Rush Holt.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#85)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:36:24 PM EST
    That would be a shocker indeed.  I've canvassed in his district and wouldn't think he'd have a problem.

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    I don;t think Dems (none / 0) (#92)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:41:09 PM EST
    lose any major race in NY today.

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    Pretty dire... (none / 0) (#17)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:41:27 PM EST
    I sure hope your wrong. My son is spending this month in Mexico with friends -- he may decide to never come home.

    About to (none / 0) (#23)
    by smott on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:46:24 PM EST
    ...go off and vote for Joe Sestak...

    predictions: (none / 0) (#27)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:52:07 PM EST
    I will have a hangover tomorrow.

    I will lose half of my chip stack online tonight playing because I don't want to watch the election results.

    Ugh. Maybe tonight's the night to watch Alice in wonderland. I'm hoping for a Sparks victory in Alabama, but I think I'm whistling past the graveyard.

    In this neck of the woods, people turned so far to the right it's been like watching NASCAR in the mirror.

    the one interesting race is a wet/dry vote in one of the local cities. Polls were jammed at 7 am with church buses to vote no. I expect the bootlegger buses to pull in with people to vote no this afternoon.

    Anti-immigrant state candidates are expected to sweep to victory in northeast Alabama. All of them with R after their names.

    Where do you play? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:54:13 PM EST
    Bodog? Or Poker Stars?

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    Poker Stars. (none / 0) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 12:57:24 PM EST
    Seems more civil than some of the other sites. Still aggressive and challenging, but not as much calling out.

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    I like the calling out (none / 0) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:02:18 PM EST
    Fun to see the dopes do that.

    Even if they are good or better than me, what good does it do them?

    I play6 at BoDog because I think the players are weaker than they are at BoDog, players like me.

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    Poker Staers are stronger I mean (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:02:39 PM EST
    I might need to look at Bodog again (none / 0) (#44)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:07:31 PM EST
    I'll probably play limit HORSE or stud tonight. I need the practice, and limit isn't as painful.

    I think the language barrier makes a difference in Poker Stars. I think more nations play there than Bodog. ALways a few folks at the table with Cyrillic city names. And they're almost always wicked aggressive!

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    I don't mind the trash talk, (none / 0) (#53)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:14:42 PM EST
    but it distracts me-- I love it when people go off and suddenly the screen is filled with ** every few words. Just the difference between reading it and hearing it-- when I'm at a table, it doesn't take much to ignore it, but if it's typed in I try to read it for some reason.

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    I like laughing at it (none / 0) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:16:52 PM EST
    Frankly, the amounts I play for are miniscule as compared to my sports betting. So I guess it is easy for me to laugh about.

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    A friend of mine (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:15:55 PM EST
    is a very strong player. He plays on the TV poker games and in huge cash games in LA. And he plays at Poker Stars.

    I tell him that while it may not be as fum for him, he could make a lot more money at Bodog.

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    he must play at commerce & the bicycle club (none / 0) (#130)
    by Dadler on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:12:01 PM EST
    i'm just happy to have rolled a $7.50 freeroll win at FullTilt into $4500 so far. crappy sight, but it's free money.

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    crappy SITE (none / 0) (#131)
    by Dadler on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:12:35 PM EST
    and my sight is getting worse by the minute.

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    Great political coalition (none / 0) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:00:48 PM EST
    The religious and the bootlegger block coalition. Well they always say that politics makes strange bedfellows.

    Some days you have to laugh so that you don't cry.

    BTD's predictions are some of the worse I have read. I will spend election night curled up with a book. Will wait for tomorrow to find out the final result.

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    Here's irony for you: (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:04:15 PM EST
    the owner of one of the biggest billboards rented it to a "vote no" church. The billboard owner also owns a liquor store just across the county line less than a mile from the city voting wet/dry.

    Think he gave a discount?

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    Can you give billboard advertising space (none / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:14:02 PM EST
    as a charitable contribution? ;-)

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    Our town is also holding a wet/dry vote (none / 0) (#158)
    by BTAL on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:07:38 PM EST
    The no crowd's arguments were sooo lame.  We'll see.  It doesn't make a like of fiscal sense sending all the revenue to the neighboring town.

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    Here's a laugh for you (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:32:59 PM EST
    from a friend, a former Chicagoan, who just wrote on Facebook that she had voted -- but not being in Chicago anymore, she could not help but feel that she had not voted often enough today.

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    Waves (none / 0) (#66)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:20:47 PM EST
    are like that.

    They all break one way.

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    Like you will be sorry to lose Feingold (none / 0) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:39:42 PM EST
    Some of the others not so much.

    More than anything I'm sorry that the Dems didn't take the opportunity to show that they had policies that would work. Recycling failed Republican policies not good politics or good policy.

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    I'm assuming you think Tancredo won't be elected (none / 0) (#43)
    by magster on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    but given the pessimism of your predictions, can you clarify?

    I feel like I have a rock in my stomach waiting for tonight.

    Here's a tip (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:10:03 PM EST
    Resist the urge to turn on cable news. You can actually avoid any TV at all.

    They don't know anything you won't learn on the internet. (I could just say that they don't know anything . . . .)

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    Hickenlooper wins (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:13:38 PM EST
    I don't think of that one as a close race frankly.

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    Hickenlooper (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:48:06 PM EST
    not exactly a name made for politics is it?

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    But fun for bumper stickers. (none / 0) (#159)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:12:52 PM EST
    Ever hear of the (none / 0) (#183)
    by the capstan on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:38:56 PM EST
    Hickenlooper Amendment?
    In response to the outcome of the case, Congress enacted 22 U.S.C. § 2370, more commonly referred to as the "Second Hickenlooper Amendment," named after the bill's sponsor, Bourke B. Hickenlooper, an outraged Iowa Senator....

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    Bourke B. Hickenlooper (none / 0) (#184)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:41:00 PM EST
    pffft

    excuse me, you name is what?

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    Better to lose house and senate than just house (none / 0) (#56)
    by BobTinKY on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    GOP will filibuster everything, judges etc., anyway so Dem senate majority would be even more toothless & useless than it has been.

    Let the GOP pass bills, the worst of which will be vetoed.  Let the voters see GOP priorities (once again) being pursued before 2012.  Let the GOP ineptly respond to the economic mess as a real player with Congressional control.  

    I am sure the first GOP initiative will be to provide immunity from prosecution to all these foreclosure frauds, then gut SS.

    remember (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:17:49 PM EST
    "I am still relevant"(hint 1994)

    The day after his party is expected to face a bloodletting at the polls, President Obama will face the press.

    160 mil down the drain? (none / 0) (#63)
    by nycstray on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:18:20 PM EST
    here's hoping CA is your bright spot and i can light one up legally :) looks like i'll just get Boxer/Brown though along with last night's Giants win . . . .


    Oh (none / 0) (#65)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:20:00 PM EST
    Prop 19 loses. But come now, when is the last time someone was arrested for marijuana possession in Cali?

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    think Barney (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:26:50 PM EST
    pulls it out.  I see a lot of speculation he will not.

    that would be too bad.


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    It would make it easier (none / 0) (#75)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:28:44 PM EST
    to buy right?

    For out of staters with no prescriptions...

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    yup. even for in staters w/o rx (none / 0) (#89)
    by nycstray on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:39:16 PM EST
    it's like a traffic ticket now (none / 0) (#76)
    by nycstray on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:29:09 PM EST
    100 fine. Sis said in SF several people she knows have been getting 'busted' lately. i think they are doing it for the $$$. same as all the traffic ticketing and seriously high fines.

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    Perriello is not a Blue Dog (none / 0) (#68)
    by Michael Masinter on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:21:08 PM EST
    I'm not optimistic either, but I would not dishonor Tom Perriello by calling him a blue dog; he's a genuine progressive democrat who is running on his progressive record.  Would that we had more like him.

    He is in the Blue Dog coalition (none / 0) (#69)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:22:46 PM EST
    I don't think much on Blue Dogs or Southern pols.

    My idea has always been to shore up progressives in Blue States.

    I was never one for a 50 state strategy for progressives.

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    Then you want (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:29:34 PM EST
    A permanent minority party.  Liberals / progressives are not the majority of the people in the country, and will never be a majority party in Congress.

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    That's silly (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:39:27 PM EST
    You obviously have never read me on the subject and I really have no desire to explain my views on this subject with someone unfamiliar with my writings over the years on the subject.

    It has been central to my writing and thinking for 7 years.

    Suffice it to say that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what I believe, have argued or want.

    Your characterization of my views is not only false, it is stupidly false.

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    It's all about the numbers (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:43:31 PM EST
    You can shore up progressives in blue states all you want - there aren't enough to pass progressive legislation.  It's simple math.

    And it's not just southern states, as this election will illustrate very well.  It's the south, the Midwest, the southwest, and good portions of the west.  In other words, most of the country, outside the Northeast and a spattering of large cities.

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    You have no idea (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:04:50 PM EST
    what my views are and I have no desire to discuss this with you.

    To be clear, nothing you say has anything remotely to do with what I have written, argued or think.

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    Progressives never were a majority party, but (none / 0) (#86)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:36:52 PM EST
    influenced the agenda by forming coalitions on issues, in ways that reshaped this country for decades . . . and of course, some of their legacies still are with us -- and may we hope that those legacies will continue to be with us, if we can survive this PPUS crap that is not the same at all as forming effective, issues-oriented coalitions.

    If ever enough of these Nu Progressives read up on even their own history, much less American history, there would be hope.

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    They influenced (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:41:09 PM EST
    People who were willing to be influenced, or at least who were willing to entertain progressive ideas.  Blue Dogs, by definition, are generally much more conservative on fiscal matters and are generally much more socially liberal.  The Dems NEED Blue Dogs if they want their social issues to get heard, let alone to be the way of things.  The glee expressed around here of Blue Dogs losing to Republicans, who will never agree with the Dems on social issues, is puzzling.

    The country as a whole, and people who vote, especially, are mostly middle of the road.

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    on social issues (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:49:40 PM EST
    they are liberal how?

    Wasn't it the blue-dogs who gave us Stupak?

    I haven't heard anything "liberal" out of the blue dogs on immigration, or DADT, or any of the current social issues.

    You must be looking at different blue dogs than me.

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    think Barney (none / 0) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:50:53 PM EST
    is going to win?

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    I think I want it too badly to make predictions (none / 0) (#116)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:57:31 PM EST
    so I will just say - the polls have him ahead

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    I would hate to see him lose (none / 0) (#121)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:00:55 PM EST
    but to be honest I am a little amazed he has lasted as long as he has.


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    Fannie and Freddie? (none / 0) (#135)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:17:31 PM EST
    Or just the way he acts?

    Usually his elections are a walk in the park.  We kind of like our outspoken/funny/no-nonsense Dems.

    Michael "some of my constituents have robbed some of your banks" Capuano is running unopposed, for example.

    The fact that conservatives have chosen him to be their whipping-boy, also means that he's doing his job - and getting to them.

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    Going by definition (none / 0) (#117)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:58:13 PM EST
    They don't have a "platform" and don't always agree, but generally, they are more socially liberal than Republicans.

    Seriously, you think kicking the Blue Dogs in will get more progressive and liberal members elected in their stead?

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    in some cases yes (none / 0) (#127)
    by CST on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:07:38 PM EST
    I think you have to look at it on a case-by-case basis.

    Not all blue dogs come from conservative districts.

    In any event, I don't see any indication that blue dogs help enact progressive legislation - socially or otherwise.

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    I would say (none / 0) (#137)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:24:05 PM EST
    Most Blue Dogs come from more conservative districts.

    Here's an interesting article from last year about the Blue Dogs and their voting (it's the same members of Congress, so I think it's still relevant today).

    One take is that, in key cases, the Blue Dogs are right about the makeup of their districts and the amount of political room they have to maneuver.

    Furthermore, Blue Dogs are hardly unique -- in fact, most of the top Democrats who are voting more conservative than their constituents aren't Blue Dogs.



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    I don't blame the Blue Dogs (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:49:41 PM EST
    I blame those that insist we cater overmuch to the needs of the Blue Dogs and water down every piece of legislation to that lowest common denominator.

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    Then we agree. Two-step theory (none / 0) (#177)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:25:46 PM EST
    of opinion formation, as well as agenda-setting theory, are evidence well in the work of Progressives (and Socialists, who actually gave the former a lot of what history books call Progressive ideas, as significant change took/takes decades.

    Bringing the Blue Dogs into it is looking at agenda-setting from a short-term perspective, an entirely different discussion.

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    anyplace but NC (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:41:18 PM EST
    this might make a difference:

    (CNN) - North Carolina Republican congressional candidate B.J. Lawson's campaign said it was "tricked" by a production company after it was revealed that actor Morgan Freeman was not the narrator in Lawson's latest ad, as the campaign had previously claimed.

    "We're apologizing to Congressman Price, to the voters, and most of all to Morgan Freeman because this is not the campaign we wanted to run, and not the campaign we have run," Lawson campaign spokesman Martin Avila told CNN.

    The narrator's familiar voice immediately raised eyebrows when the ad launched on Friday. Lawson's campaign initially confirmed that the voice was Freeman's on Facebook and on its website on Monday.

    But the Oscar-winning actor issued a statement soon after denying any involvement with the campaign.

    "These people are lying. I have never recorded any campaign ads for B.J. Lawson and I do not support his candidacy. And, no one who represents me ever has ever authorized the use of my name, voice or any other likeness in support of Mr. Lawson or his candidacy," Freeman said in the statement.



    Is Lawson (none / 0) (#101)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:47:54 PM EST
    ahead in the polls?  The 4th district is fairly liberal.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#103)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:49:25 PM EST
    the seat has a 98.6% chance of staying with the Democrat, Price.  (here)

    misplaced bashing of the South...

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    no clue (none / 0) (#104)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:49:37 PM EST
    just saw NC and figured wing nut land.  probably an unfair and unfounded assumption.

    pretty funny story tho, no?

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    quite unfair (none / 0) (#112)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:53:14 PM EST
    the map of NC this time around is bluer than that of PA, for example.

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    excellent (none / 0) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:54:39 PM EST
    I stand corrected.  

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    I'm glad I found this map (none / 0) (#118)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:58:20 PM EST
    I will probably be obsessed with it for the rest of the work day.

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    Here's my guy (none / 0) (#120)
    by lilburro on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:00:51 PM EST
    UGH

    NC 7  Too bad Marshall won't win the Senate, she's a very smart and fairly progressive candidate.

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    In Minnesota (none / 0) (#109)
    by eric on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:51:55 PM EST
    we will have our first Democratic governor in 20 years.  I would call that a bright spot.  Republicans aren't surging in MN.

    I thought about Dayton (none / 0) (#133)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:13:22 PM EST
    But I can save it for a bright spot post tonight.

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    Love the populists there (none / 0) (#179)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:27:02 PM EST
    -- not to be confused with the Dems.  Great to hear it's going well across the Mississippi!

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    Also (none / 0) (#192)
    by eric on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:54:55 PM EST
    looks like there will be no change in the Congressional delegation.  Yes, that does mean that Bachmann will win, but her district is hopeless.  All the Democrats should win.  It keeps it at 5 Dems 3 Republicans.

    No Republican wave here

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    could it be (none / 0) (#110)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:52:14 PM EST
    In a noon email alert to supporters, Coons campaign manager Christy Gleason said close monitoring of voter turnout in the state's 41 representative districts showed "lower turnout in New Castle and Kent counties than we're comfortable with."


    um, no, thank god (none / 0) (#190)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:52:07 PM EST
    Seen a blip on one of the blogs (none / 0) (#195)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:31:15 PM EST
    that O'Donnell received the most news coverage of any of the candidates. Too lazy and not important enough to look for a link.

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    have some sympathy (none / 0) (#196)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:33:39 PM EST
    I mean really, how could you NOT cover her?

    my god, can you imagine if she won?

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    "Joe Manchin to hold off Raese . . . (none / 0) (#114)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:54:14 PM EST
    . . . in West Virginia".

    wow
    talk about good news bad news.

    I think Grayson will eke it out (none / 0) (#119)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:59:44 PM EST
    But I unfortunately and next door to his district and will probably be represented by a tea partier, Sandy Adams. I'm sure she told all the space coasters, soon to lose their jobs and comprising a huge part of her new district, that government doesn't create jobs. Not sure who is the bigger hypocrite, her or the people that voted for her.

    Kosmas is a blue dog, but I'll be sorry to see her go. In general I don't like blue dogs, but she was MY blue dog.

    Kosmos (none / 0) (#145)
    by star on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:31:41 PM EST
    I agree with you. I voted for her,but does not look good for her. Seminole county looks to be going to Adams. Voter turn out is rather heavy. even early voting last week, I waited in line for 20 mins!! Today my sister in Orlando said lines are long inspite of the rains.

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    I live in the little strip (none / 0) (#186)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:43:06 PM EST
    Of Orange County that is in her district. Probably there to capture the defense workers into a solid republican district. It really was surprising Kosmas won at all, ,but I guess that is what a tidal wave will do.

    I voted yes on the gerrymandering amendments on the off chance that they a. Pass and b. Do any good.

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    funny (none / 0) (#126)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:07:10 PM EST
    "I think he was a little envious that I am here," Clinton told a town hall audience in Kuala Lumpur today, a nod to the Democrats' expected drubbing today.


    GOP+9 makes Lieberman King of the World (none / 0) (#128)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:08:02 PM EST
    Doesn't it?

    In one sense (none / 0) (#132)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:12:44 PM EST
    He can swing control to the GOP.

    But he is not "the 60th vote." So, larger picture, no, it doesn't.

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    That's right. (none / 0) (#139)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:26:47 PM EST
    Committee chairmanships don't matter that much. Or party margins on committees.  Or committee agendas, or selection of witnesses at committee hearings.

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    I think it matters less (none / 0) (#144)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:31:24 PM EST
    than you do.

    Lieberman's big moment was blocking Medicare Buy In or a public option.

    He won't be having those moments now.

    Democrats, especially Senate Democrats, are spineless weasels for the most part.

    Committee chairmanships may help with pork, but on real policy? Hardly at all imo.

    Lieberman will be weaker, not stronger, after this election.

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    After all these years ... (none / 0) (#152)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:46:18 PM EST
    ... you continue to amaze.

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    And you (none / 0) (#153)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:57:15 PM EST
    continue to spew the same CW nonsense as always.

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    I'm as anxious about the new income tax (none / 0) (#129)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:10:49 PM EST
    proposal here in Washington as I am about the Murray/Rossi race. I don't expect it to pass, but I sure hope it does. 60 Minutes did a lousy job of reporting on it, in my opinion, on Sunday night. They made it a billionaire vs. billionaire conflict, but it really is a billionaire vs. small business conflict. The income tax on high earners would replace the B&O tax on many small businesses -- a tax, the only one of its kind in the country, that is levied on gross sales rather than profits. The B&O currently provides about 50% of state revenues.

    In 2 years (none / 0) (#140)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:27:54 PM EST
    the state Congress can extend the tax to all earners....

    I voted no.  And my husband is a small business owner who would have benefited from the B&O tax cut.

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    I'm a small business owner too (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:47:12 PM EST
    I object to the B&O on principle -- it taxes practically the first dollar a small business makes -- before labor and other cost of business expenses are taken out. I'd much rather pay an honest and transparent tax on my income than on my gross. For most of the people in Washington, this is a hidden tax, but that doesn't mean they aren't paying it -- it contributes to the state's our high cost of living and is waged on made in Washington several times over, at every stage of production and distribution. It is much, much more "business unfriendly" -- and consumer unfriendly -- than an income tax. To top it all off, large businesses like Nordstrom and Boeing have been able to exempt themselves from the tax based on special pleading -- and principles that do not apply equally to other smaller businesses. For instance, they claim expemption because they conduct the majority of their business out of state. Exactly the same thing is true of our business -- but we have no such special exemption. I much prefer an equitable and transparent tax system to a hidden one that allows the biggest players to make all kinds of special deal with the legislature.

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    that should read "it is waged on made in (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by esmense on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:48:58 PM EST
    Washington products several times over"

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    You are an informed voter, esmense (none / 0) (#181)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:33:15 PM EST
    Makes a huge difference when one understands the initiatives.

    I voted for the income tax knowing full well it could include me in two years. I don't have a problem paying my share of the state expenses, and know that even when they get to include me, my share will not be very much of my income.

    Having paid state income tax elsewhere, the % is pretty small, and it used to be a deduction on Federal taxes.

    Not sure why people are so afraid of it, but the ads do make it sound real scary.


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    The Yes campaign did a weak job (none / 0) (#201)
    by shoephone on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:51:35 PM EST
    of beating back the "In two years, we'll all be taxed forever!" inevitability argument. The state legislature is going to be much more conservative after this election. For gawd's sakes, more than a dozen Democratic state legislators came out in opposition to 1098. Anyone who thinks those same people would do a u-turn and vote to extend the income tax to the middle class is not paying attention.

    Our state is being ruined by the preponderance of ballot initiatives on tax issues. I remember well how Prop 13 ruined the California pubic school system. WA is on its way to becoming the next nutcase experiment is defunding every program under the sun.

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    my prediction (none / 0) (#136)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:19:56 PM EST
    I predict a drinking game that involves the word "wave"

    Lordy, make sure nobody (none / 0) (#138)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:24:40 PM EST
    drives after playing!

    Let the alcohol poisoning commence with the "wave" game!

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    You must already be buzzin' hard (none / 0) (#150)
    by magster on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:39:46 PM EST
    Pour doubles for "tsunami' (n/t) (none / 0) (#180)
    by Cream City on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:27:59 PM EST
    I was (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:28:16 PM EST
    just looking in wiki about the '94 elections and it was 44% Dem and 47.8% GOP and the GOP gained 54 seats. So with the bigger spread now happening, it is probably going to really get ugly.

    In 1982 (none / 0) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 02:31:51 PM EST
    the precentage of the vote was 54% D and 43% R but the Dems only picked up 27 seats but it was enough to have a veto proof majority.

    Hah. jes's silly picks (none / 0) (#172)
    by jes on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:50:09 PM EST
    BTD under-estimates the House loss and over-estimates the Senate wins. Because no good deed goes unpunished.

    It is the year of the beast. R=+66 House and R=+6 Senate.

    Pelosi and Van Hollen (none / 0) (#178)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:25:50 PM EST
    Are predicting the Dems hold the House.

    I don't know whether it's naivete or delusion on their part.

    Maybe some of that medical marijuana they are hoping to pass in CA....

    I have been reading (none / 0) (#182)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:36:22 PM EST
    about higher than expected dem turnout.  

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    They might want to tell that (none / 0) (#185)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:43:02 PM EST
    My gut is telling me that the Dems will turn out (none / 0) (#187)
    by Angel on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:48:10 PM EST
    in higher than projected numbers.  I think a lot of us have laid low this election cycle but that doesn't mean we're not voting.  It just means we aren't out there mixing it up with the others, and the pollsters arent' picking up on that. I also think a lot of Dems are really afraid of what will happen if the R's and the T's take over and it is giving them a reason to vote.  They're voting not because they are happy with Obama, they're voting out of fear of what the alternative is.  I hope I'm right about this....

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    mine too (none / 0) (#189)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:51:26 PM EST
    I think that is true (none / 0) (#191)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:52:12 PM EST
    I just don't know how much it will matter. I think it is what will help Grayson and Sink in FL though.

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    You could be right (none / 0) (#193)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:03:49 PM EST
    But probably not in nearly enough numbers to counter the huge amount of Republicans and indies voting.  It's a low bar - if the pundits predicted really, really low numbers, then if it's only low numbers, the spin will be that Dems came out in higher numbers than expected.

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    From your mouth... n/t (none / 0) (#202)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:53:05 PM EST