Friday Open Thread

Donald Trump has all the delegates he needs. Bernie Sanders does not. But Bernie's trying to stay relevant by debating Donald Trump. Yes, some polls have Hillary and Bernie in a dead heat in California. Others have Hillary with a wide lead. Others say there's a backlash against Bernie brewing.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Audiobook Recommendation (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:53:41 PM EST
    I'm currently listening to "Life After Death", by Damien Echols, one of the exonerated West Memphis 3, read by the author. We've talked before about the various documentaries about the case. You probably recall Echols was the oldest of the 3, and sentenced to death, and also seemed to me anyway, very intelligent and articulate on screen.

    As it turns out he is also a very good writer and reader of his work. His voice and accent remind me of the readers of the various John Grisham books I have listened to on tape.

     The book is a combination memoir and excerpts from his prison journals. He writes about his extremely impoverished childhood in a very matter of fact yet moving way. Such stories....in particular, one of his only escapes as a child was to read horror stories, so even as a pre-teen he was devouring Stephen King and Dean Koontz books that he could get from the little library, reading them multiple times. The thought that this only pleasure of a child living in extreme poverty was later used against him to put him in prison for a crime he did not commit is just heartbreaking.

    I'm only to about his 7th grade or so years and he has already been moved more times than I can count, each living situation more horrible than the last.

    If you want to know what it is really like to grow up in such conditions, not to mention spend 17 years in prison for a crime you did not commit...you should take a listen.

    The lawsuit (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:11:08 PM EST
    he filed in California is so completely stupid and it reeks of desperation. From the behavior of his campaign I'm guessing the polls showing a wide lead by Hillary are likely more of what he's seeing in his own polls.

    re California (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:37:28 PM EST
    I've always had doubts about Bernie's potential for success there. Yes, it is  a liberal state, but it has been liberal for so long that it is a very establishment liberal state. In many ways he does better in the conservative states that have pockets of liberals.

    A few weeks ago I said there was no way he would win CA - in recent dyas it seems more up for grabs, but the polls are all over the place so it is hard to tell.

    Picking a fight with Barbara Boxer does not seem very smart to me.


    Boxer (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:46:55 PM EST
    Had one of the best debate reactions.

    It would be fun to watch.


    Someone said it would be the Super Bowl of crazy.  Yeah.  Probably.

    I'm still trying to figure out how, as every talking head has been telling me,  that two crazy guys screaming at each other in a stadium full of screaming morons is "bad" for Hillary.

    1" is the new "5"

    I did wonder if maybe the order was being misunderstood.


    That said (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:52:58 PM EST
    I do think there is a backlash brewing against Sanders.  This ridiculous lawsuit is just the latest installment.

    From that link in the other thread the last line was "Sanders has not issued a statement on the matter"
    No kidding.


    Captain, (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:10:30 PM EST
    you intuit well on these matters, requiring me to re-think this debate.  Firstly, from the Republican line-ups  we saw that Trump has no policies, let alone, details, to debate. He used bluster and oafish behaviors as detractors--his polls, his greatness, including his anatomy, how everyone loves him despite his hatred for them, often expressed.   As the one-eyed man in the land of the blind, he was king.

    Sanders has policies, but they are sketchy and detail-free.  It would be the battle of the platitudes at a high decibel level.  If Sanders uses real attacks on Trump, including his own words, Trump will lie and deny that he said what he said.  This will stymie Sanders to the point of being a reddened-faced stroke candidate.  And, the focus will go there.

    Everyone knows that government is not Trump's field, so they expect nothing and he is prepared to deliver same.  Sanders has a few ideas, that some think are new, easy for Trump to crank out old Commie pinko nostalgia from the wingnuts.

    Of course, no matter what, Trump will be declared the winner by the media.  A good show, but who needs it,  most have Netflix for that.

    But, if it really hurts both of them, I am in favor.


    Ignore the noise (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:54:20 PM EST
    RCP average has Clinton +8
    538 weighted average has Clinton +14

    But it will be over before the polls close in California so a double digit Clinton win (or a double digit Sanders win) won't make a difference.


    Just minutes ago (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:56:56 PM EST
    Sanders campaign manager said they are going to the convention to make as much trouble as possible no matter what.  

    He's hoping to avoid the unemployment line (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:59:02 PM EST
    for a couple more months

    The funny thing is (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:25:39 PM EST
    The judge has set the hearing date for August - after the primary and after the convention.  Shows you what he thinks of the merits.

    Won't matter (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:35:38 PM EST
    If Sanders wins California 100% to 0% he will still lose the nomination.

    Our party's state convention ... (none / 0) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:34:05 PM EST
    ... opens this afternoon in Honolulu at the Sheraton Waikiki hotel. We're flying over there at noon. Should be interesting.