State Dept Issues World Wide Travel Alert

The State Department has issued a world-wide travel alert for U.S. travelers. You can read it here. It expires in February.

There's no mention of an imminent specific threat. And it's not just travel:

U.S. citizens should exercise vigilance when in public places or using transportation. Be aware of immediate surroundings and avoid large crowds or crowed places. Exercise particular caution during the holiday season and at holiday festivals or events.

Not is it directed solely to ISIS: [More...]

And it's not just ISIS: It's also al-Qaida, Boko Harem other groups. And of course there's also the lone and loony wolf mention: attacks "inspired" by these groups, rather than directed by them.

Additionally, there is a continuing threat from unaffiliated persons planning attacks inspired by major terrorist organizations but conducted on an individual basis. Extremists have targeted large sporting events, theatres, open markets, and aviation services. In the past year, there have been multiple attacks in France, Nigeria, Denmark, Turkey, and Mali.

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    Turkey shoots down (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:24:39 AM EST
    Russian fighter jet

    I am content to sit here and watch

    Looks like we'll be having (none / 0) (#29)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:18:09 PM EST
    World War III for Xmas. This is troubling. The Turks are more interested in killing Kurds than killing ISIS. They have now so far attacked Kurds who are fighting ISIS and Russian who are fighting ISIS. Exactly whose side are they on? Other their own?

    You're right to be concerned. (none / 0) (#32)
    by NYShooter on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:38:18 PM EST
    Turkey is moving from a trusted, more or less democratic, sectarian, member of NATO to a budding right wing, religious Dictatorship.

    Or... (none / 0) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:07:29 PM EST
    ...they were just exercising their sovereign rights over their airspace.  They said on the news, 10 warnings were giving before the Russian jet was shot down.

    The rest of your comment is patently false.  Religious dictatorship, really ?  I guess the two big elections in 2015, were for show ?


    Turkey is in real trouble (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CST on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:13:36 PM EST
    Right now.  Erdogan is bad news, and corrupt, and waging a political war against his enemies, throwing journalists and opposition party members in jail.  Freedom of information and the press is under serious attack.

    I wouldn't call it a religious dictatorship, but it's in real trouble.  What some people don't recognize is that to an extent this is a response to the "secular dictatorship" that existed before.  When your secular party refuses to allow religious people a place in politics/society/schools, etc... you are going to see a backlash.  That's what's happening now.  It's not a good thing at all, but going back to the old system isn't the answer either, it's what led up to this point.


    I agree with you to a point. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:52:21 PM EST
    However, if President Erdogan pushes too far, the Turkish military will likely seek his removal. While the General Staff technically acts on the orders of the government, politically and ideologically, the effective chain of command is really vice versa.

    Erdogan initially held the upper hand with the military when he cashiered and imprisoned a number of senior officers in 2012, for allegedly planning a coup against his government. But now, having broken with his former Islamist allies in 2013, the Turkish president really needs the military on his side and further, he knows it. The pro-military Turkish federal court ordered the release of over 200 of the alleged plotters in 2014, including former chief of staff Gen. Ilker Basbug, an ultranationalist who (unlike Erdogan) enjoys a lot of public support amongst the Turkish people. Erdogan holds office at the pleasure of the generals.

    Gen. Basbug wants nothing at all to do with any negotiated peace with Kurdish rebels. He successfully urged Erdogan to break off those negotiations with the Kurdistan Workers Party (aka PKK) last July 28, after Kurdish politicians in Ankara successfully denied Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (aka AKP) a ruling majority in Parliament during last June's elections.

    Gen. Basbug further insisted that Erdogan's government enact a law declaring that the responsibility for nationwide counterterrorism efforts was exclusively the jurisdiction of the armed forces, which the president did by decree in early September. The army has since imposed emergency rule in Turkish Kurdistan as part of its military and political crackdown.

    Between Erdogan and the military, the present prospects for Turkish democracy appear to be rather bleak, certainly for the short term.



    According to the BBC news this morning (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:38:41 PM EST
    what Turkey claims is the right to shoot down any plane that comes within 8 kilometers of their border with Syria. I don't think international law supports them in this. The Russian plane may very well have been on the other side of the border when shot down.

    Turkey has always looked out for itself. (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:04:01 PM EST
    Ankara has repeatedly warned Moscow in recent weeks about past violations of its airspace, and the Turkish military said that Russian pilots were warned 10 times in five minutes before their plane was finally engaged and shot down.

    Historically, the Turks are people who don't bluff or issue idle threats. And if they feel threatened, they aren't afraid to scrap. In 1974, Ankara warned the Greek military junta about meddling in internal Cypriot affairs, and when the generals in Athens failed to take heed, the Turkish military invaded Cyprus and quickly occupied the entire northern half of the country where most of the populace is of Turkish ethnicity. They still occupy it to this day.

    This is also a country that, alone amongst the Central Powers in the First World War, was able to compel the Allies to re-negotiate the terms of peace at Lausanne in July 1923, by sheer force of its national will.

    Vladimir Putin picks a fight with Turkey at his own country's risk and peril.


    it's going to be dry, warm, and windy (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 06:39:32 AM EST
    down here for Thanksgiving.  The fishing will be good, so I'm happy to stay home for the holidays.  There's plenty of room here if you get too cold up there, but be aware you must go to the gym with me three days a week.  It's a combined physical and political workout. :-)

    Perhaps you should also exercise your ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:39:14 PM EST
    ... conceal-carry rights at the gym, in addition to exercising your body. "You talkin' to me?"



    Gonna travel to Raqqa on an alpaca (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Dadler on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 11:05:59 AM EST
    Gonna nuke the whole whirl
    With my malevolent squirrel.

    What a phucked up globe it is, my good peeps.

    Peace to all. (link)

    I think about it sometimes (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by CST on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 11:52:57 AM EST
    When I'm flying or in a crowded train station.

    But then I also do things like walk alone at night in a city on a regular basis, and not just the nice parts.  So... ?

    Of course the most likely way for me to die is probably still heart disease or cancer some day, followed by a car accident.

    Either way, death is gonna get you eventually.  I'd rather not add that to the list of things I'm worried about when I travel.

    I am already on alert whenever I (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:44:20 PM EST
    venture out. The chances that I will be shot by a Middle Eastern terrorist are significantly less than the chances I will be shot by a white American born male with a gun and a grudge.  The feds should issue advisories for all travel in the U.S., to the mall or the movies or the grocery store or really anywhere in this country.

    Why last night alleged white supremacists brought their guns and their hate to a demonstration in Minneapolis that was being held to protest yet another shooting of a black man by police. Those guns were fired into the crowd of protesters. People were hit with real bullets fired by real Americans who were seemingly displeased that other Americans were exercising their right to assemble peacefully.

    No muslim terrorists were involved.


    I Try As Hard as I Can... (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:56:23 PM EST
    ...to avoid watching/discussing/thinking about news/politics on the weekends, which includes vacation.

    It works pretty well, normally going some place I am so excited I don't care, and coming home I am so tired I don't care.

    But what I can't get past, and what really scares me when flying, is the GD turbulence.  That is tangible, I can feel it whereas a terrorist/bomb is theoretical and if that happens it will be over before I know it.  But the turbulence, on some flights, is a constant reminder that I am miles above ground and have absolutely no control over my immediate future.


    I hate flying (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CST on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:04:48 PM EST
    I hate being trapped in what is essentially a bomb, I hate being groped if I happen to wear a bra with metal through a metal detector, I hate not being able to drink water without paying out the @ss, I hate checking any luggage and never knowing if I'm going to see it again, I hate the fact that my ears never clear up until I wake up the next day, I hate transfers and airports, and yes, I hate turbulence, with a passion.  On that list of gripes, fear of terrorism doesn't even rise to the level of hate.

    On the other hand, I love being in places and seeing new things and visiting friends, and everything else that goes along with travel.  And I fully recognize that my list of gripes are all first world problems, because flying isn't really a necessity.

    If only we had a truly high speed rail network, I'd probably never fly stateside again.


    Yup... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:27:00 PM EST
    ...I would add, which you may not have to deal with, parking, either a bazillion miles away and shuttles, or pay through the nose. I also hate lines, that is all you do at the airport, wait in line.  I am 6'3", not exactly sized for plane seats or the bathroom, which for some crazy reason, always smell worse that a porta potty in Texas on a hot summer day.

    That being said, to me it always makes the place I am going to seems so much better, even if it's only because you are free of flying monster's grip.

    I am lucky enough that I can get to most of the US, Central America, and the Caribbean in under 3 hours.


    Can I just say that the rental car/shuttle (none / 0) (#68)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:14:35 PM EST
    situation at IAH is a pain. It takes forever!
    We missed a connecting flight in Houston last week because of delays and then almost missed the flight the next morning because it took us so long to get from the rental car location to the terminal.
    Fortunately, because my husband flies so frequently he has Premier access through United and TSA pre, so I was able to tag along with him and cut the long security line.

    I have that ear thing too... (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:57:58 PM EST
    ...for me a Clariton D before the flight clears out the congestion and ear plugging.

    I usually (none / 0) (#46)
    by CST on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:04:42 PM EST
    have an alcoholic beverage or three to cope with all the other things on my list that I hate.  As a result, I try to stay away from any other medications.

    Maybe you're on to something though, it really is annoying to spend an entire day with an echo.  And it's only ever in the one ear.


    Sure, give it a try. (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:48:15 PM EST
    I usually have a beer or two before I fly, I never really noticed any "unusual" effect from the Clariton D. I also use it before scuba diving, so I can equalize easier. etc. Works really well.

    We don't have any other option in Hawaii. (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:58:22 PM EST
    CST: "And I fully recognize that my list of gripes are all first world problems, because flying isn't really a necessity."

    If you want to travel anywhere outside the county in which you reside, you have to fly. And the same goes for many people who live in Alaska, as well, because that state's highway network is actually quite limited. Residents in both states are very dependent upon airlines, because unless you're on a vacation cruise, traveling by sea is slow and ponderous.



    oh, surely not... (none / 0) (#64)
    by sj on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 04:59:10 PM EST
    If you want to travel anywhere outside the county in which you reside, you have to fly.
    ...as the Hōkūleʻa has proven. :)

    I love to fly. Even though I have been flying (none / 0) (#65)
    by vml68 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:03:53 PM EST
    regularly since I was a month old (four decades ago!), I still get a thrill every time the aircraft's engine revs up before take-off. I love listening to that sound even if I am not on the plane. I would have loved to have become a pilot but am too d@mn short!
    Turbulence does not bother me but I am very claustrophobic, so I have to have a window seat and spend most of the time looking out.

    Although my claustrophobic friends insist (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 06:01:21 PM EST
    on a wndow seat, that has always seemed counter-intuitive to me. Gotta be on the aisle so not hemmed in.

    all righty then (none / 0) (#1)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Nov 23, 2015 at 11:45:33 PM EST
    let's all shelter in place for the next 3 months

    Where's my duct tape? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:01:25 PM EST
    I used the last of it ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:19:49 PM EST
    ... on packages for XMas mailing. Sorry.

    Well, the USPS (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:35:04 PM EST
    is not in favor of duct tape, Donald.
    Theoretically, they say they will "not accept" duct taped packages, although many of those packages seem to go through.  We don't use duct tape for mailing, but we've certainly received such packages.
    You're supposed to use clear or brown packing tape.



    Postal workers are unionized. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:43:52 PM EST
    Real Americans use FedEx and UPS.

    And you call yourself (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    A Democrat?  Shame on you, Donald, shame!   ;-)

    A big bear (none / 0) (#7)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:27:56 AM EST
    took my favorite cave.

    Now what?


    Cuddle up next to him ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:00:18 PM EST
    ... and share a nice bottle of Merlot?

    I usually (none / 0) (#8)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:45:27 AM EST
    Do that in the winter anyway.

    They have to say that, it is a CYA statement.

    They have no idea of specific threats (I think),

    But should be aware that these groups appear to be accelerating their attacks on soft targets in Western countries, or targeting Western tourists.

    Just trying to minimize the blame game if something happens




    I wonder what the odds are for being killed (none / 0) (#2)
    by McBain on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:17:58 AM EST
    or injured in a terrorist attack?  Compared to car accidents?

    Based on current statistics (none / 0) (#24)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 10:14:15 AM EST
    you are more likely to be killed by a cop in America than a terrorist.

    Or a white conservative (none / 0) (#25)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 10:17:21 AM EST
    These, "I wonder....?" questions (none / 0) (#30)
    by NYShooter on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:27:26 PM EST
    are as ridiculous as they are disingenuous.

    For instance, what would have been the answer to that "question" on December 6, 1941, vs, December 8, 1941?


    And the Follow-up Statement... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 12:37:57 PM EST
    I haven't made up my mind yet, but...

    With a bunch of statements that an undecided person would never make.

    Yeah. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:32:10 PM EST
    I've often wondered how such people can keep such an open mind about Islamofascist terrorists who hate us for our freedoms, Black Lives Matter protesters who keep provoking law-abiding white people, or out-of-control prosecutors who like to frame the police for the murder of obvious gangsta thugs.

    What Year... (none / 0) (#61)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 03:33:28 PM EST
    ...because those odds were a lot better when GWB was president.  

    According to CNN from 2002 to 2013, 390 terrorism deaths in America, that is under 32 people a year.  In the same period, 376,923 were killed by a firearms, or 31,410/yr.  That is almost a factor of 1000.  IOW the odds of you dying from a firearm are almost 1000 times better than being killed by a terrorist.

    For 2013, it's actually 21 to 33,636, which is 1:1601. For every 1,600 people killed by guns in the US, only one is killed by terrorism in 2013.

    Motor vehicle deaths over the same time spam, 459,266, or 38,727.  But unlike guns, cars are getting safer, so in 2013, 32,719.  In 2013 cars are actually safer than firearms, so the odds of dying in a car wreck are 1,558 times greater than being killed by a terrorist.

    But to add a twist:

    Road Rage Statistics

    The following statistics compiled from the NHTSA and the Auto Vantage auto club show that aggressive driving and road rage are causing serious problems on our roads.

    • 66% of traffic fatalities are caused by aggressive driving.
    • 37% of aggressive driving incidents involve a firearm.
    • Males under the age of 19 are the most likely to exhibit road rage.
    • Half of drivers who are on the receiving end of an aggressive behavior, such as horn honking, a rude gesture, or tailgating admit to responding with aggressive behavior themselves.
    • Over a seven year period, 218 murders and 12,610 injuries were attributed to road rage.

    FYI, according to CNN, 2013 was one of the safest years to fly commercial with only 265 death worldwide.  No mention how many in the US, but that number includes hijackings, sabotage and shootdowns.


    This (none / 0) (#3)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 04:47:39 AM EST
    is the same cr@p that the Bush administration laid upon us.

    Duct tape anyone?

    All they are saying is be aware (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:20:23 AM EST
    That's it, we aren't at DEFCON orange.

    All they (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:27:30 AM EST
    are doing is exercising their control over our lives, imo.

    This is like saying, don't put anything metal in the toaster, look both ways when crossing the street. Don't talk to strangers.

    But - it's OK with them for us to buy genetically modified foods - and genetically modified salmon (!).


    They care.

    First they put targets on our backs, then they say "hide".


    "Exercising control"? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 06:59:53 AM EST

    If they didn't put a travel warning up and something happened, you'd complain that the government let it happen so we could go to war and it was backed by defense contractors.

    It's a suggestion.  Is the government, with more information at it's disposal than any one person, not allowed to do that??

    And BTW and off topic - to be further discussed in an Open Thread- GMO's ARE safe.


    Once again (2.00 / 1) (#35)
    by sj on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    you think you are speaking fluent [other person] and deciding in advance what that person would say. This gives you a little straw argument to cut down with a little straw sword.

    I know you hate it when it's done to you, but it doesn't stop you from inflicting it on everyone else.

    Lordy, back into hiatus I go.


    lol. "little straw sword" (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    That image is your XMas gift to me.  Thank you.

    This is a funny comment (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:50:06 PM EST
    Because your word salad makes no sense.

    I addressed lentinel's points and used his/her own words, but bless your heart, you just don't seem to understand.

    So sorry you can't comprehend.


    wev (none / 0) (#63)
    by sj on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 04:44:34 PM EST
    Words shoved in the mouth of another person - straw man:
    If they didn't put a travel warning up and something happened, you'd complain that the government let it happen so we could go to war and it was backed by defense contractors.
    An adequate staging to draw your straw sword.

    Give me your pathetic little 2 or 1 as apparently complex concepts are not your forte.

    In this case, 'tis not that the writer has proffered word salad, 'tis that the reader can only consume word gruel. I have clearly given you way too much credit in the past, lol.


    It's (none / 0) (#19)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 09:08:24 AM EST
    the big brother TV screen.

    The sub-text is that if we get harmed, it's our fault - not that they have placed us in danger.

    They warned us not to go among crowds - during the holiday season. Yeah. That's work.

    What a crock.


    Hardly (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 09:09:34 AM EST
    Are you (none / 0) (#21)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 09:16:47 AM EST
    going to change your behavior due to these "warnings"?

    Were you not already aware - after Boston - after Paris --etc...
    that anything can happen at any time?

    If you fly, were you not aware of the security measures in place?


    If you don't think this is yet another crock from a crock-infested government, I would expect you to, "exercise vigilance when in public places or using transportation. Be aware of immediate surroundings and avoid large crowds or crowed places. Exercise particular caution during the holiday season and at holiday festivals or events."

    I'm sure that would have never occurred to you - or anyone else - if we hadn't been reminded to do so from such a caring bunch in Washington --- (the same caring bunch who will allow genetically modified foods and fish into our market place, but will not require that we be informed about what cr@p we might be poisoning ourselves with.)

    They care.


    Hmmm.. (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 09:29:07 AM EST
    Well, maybe everyone who is traveling isn't as savvy as you.

    Also the Travel Alert (it isn't a Travel Warning) has other information on it.  Do you know offhand emergency numbers you can call in the event something hapoens while you are ttaveling?  How about numbers you can call for information?  Are you registered with the STEP program?  (Do you even KNOW what the STEP program is?)

    All that information is contained inthe Alert.


    I would have indicated my agreement (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 09:44:10 AM EST
    with Lentinel, but I couldn't figure out the connection to genetically modified salmon. My travel plans do not include salmon fishing (in Yemen or otherwise), and I see no large crowds around the fish counter at the grocery store.

    That was a good movie (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    Good film. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    The connection (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:15:21 PM EST
    I was making, clumsily, was that on the one hand the government pretends to be interested in our welfare, while on the other hand they are allowing something loose on the marketplace that many consider to be toxic.

    I Understood the Connection... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 01:45:58 PM EST
    ...they act like they care about our welfare, but then we find out all this cr@p they are doing against it.  And IMO if terrorism wasn't high profile, they wouldn't tell us jack.

    I would have used the FDA and it ties to the egg industry as an example, where the government colluded with an industry to stop a healthier alternative and now wants to change cholesterol warnings based on egg industry studies.

    The idea that an industry group could have this much power might sound paranoid, but it's only paranoia when your suspicions are unwarranted. This isn't the first time the Egg Board has used its clout with the U.S. government to protect the industry's bottom line in a shady way. Just last month, American Egg Board CEO Joanne Ivy resigned because of an investigation into how the group used its government influence to hurt Hampton Creek, a company producing a successful egg-free mayo and threatening egg industry profits.

    Until now, the Dietary Guidelines limited daily cholesterol intake to 300 mg per day. Just one egg contains 186 mg, more than half of the current daily recommendation. You can see why the American Egg Board might want to change those guidelines.

    Paulette Goddard Professor in the Department of Nutrition, Marion Nestle, took a look at the PCRM campaign and the studies the Agricultural Committee used and asked, "Were these references based largely on studies funded by the egg industry? If so, PCRM is correct in arguing that the question of egg consumption and blood cholesterol levels merits much closer scrutiny and analysis than it is currently receiving."

    According to PCRM, a 2013 review that looked at 12 studies suggested that high-cholesterol foods were relatively harmless. Out of those 12 studies, 11 were funded by the egg industry. However, the one study not funded by industry also suggested that eggs are not harmful, despite finding that, "compared with those who never consume eggs, those who eat 1 egg per day or more are 42 percent more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. Among diabetic patients, frequent egg consumers (ie, > 1 egg/d) are 69 percent more likely to have [cardiovascular disease] comorbidity."


    The FDA relying on industry studies of their own product.  Yeah, the government cares about our welfare.  By the way, if you aren't alert over the holidays a terrorist might kill you, so quit worrying so GD much about eggs and salmon.


    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 04:10:46 PM EST
    I had just been worried about terrism and salmon - but you have just added eggs to my watch list.

    Thank you!


    I will try to get my tongue (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:35:14 PM EST
    to show more clearly through my cheek next time I respond in that vein.

    JB... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 02:31:20 PM EST
    ...if the threshold for being travel savvy is knowing about the front page news stories for the last two weeks, well I wonder who isn't savvy.

    I bet if you asked 100 travelers for those numbers a month ago, and today, you results would be the same.  

    The idea that anyone is taking anything from these alerts but fear is making way too many assumptions since the information was already available and I am sure the people who care about already had it.

    Maybe they could throw in a recipe for pumpkin pie, just more information that travelers might not have had without the alert.

    And if follow one of the links you will find out Mexico, Israel, and Columbia have travel warnings, not alerts, and those are some of the most popular destinations.

    Just more, "We are diligent in making sure you know just how unsafe it is to leave America', IMO.


    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 03:08:18 PM EST
    They should keep us in the dark.  

    About everything. No food labeling. Hey, people are just gonna get frightened if they know sugar is bad for the!  No cigarette labels - hey, we know this stuff already.

    The last time the State Department issued a worldwide alert was in 2014 after a lonr wolf terror attack in Sydney.  There have been 2 others since 9/11 - they just aren't that common.

    I work at a government agency.  Every single day, I walk by a rainbow colored board with the terrorist threat level indicated.  Does it instill fear in me? No.  

    And yes, Mexico, Colombia, and Israel have Travel Warnings for SOME PARTS of them - not the whole country.  Would YOU go to Mexico in the heart of drug cartel country?  Do you KNOW what part of considered cartel territory?

    And again - is this SERIOUSLY something to get upset about and feel that "Bug Brother is trying to control us"?  

    Sounds like tin foil hat time.


    Well, is there a blog post upon which our (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:23:23 PM EST
    regulars have no opinion?  Gotta say something!

    I have found the State Department's travel warnings and alerts useful. Also the CDC's info.


    All it said (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:44:54 PM EST
    As far as I can tell is be perhaps a bit more cautious.

    There has been multiple attacks in several countries in the last few days.   Anonymous said they found and turned over evidence to authorities that attacks were planned in several others including the US.

    Why is this something to complain about?   Or is it about complaining?


    I have no idea. It seems to me the (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 05:58:39 PM EST
    federal government is doing what I expect it to.

    On the other hand, Pres. Obama's statement Turkey was entitled to take our the Russian military plane for violating Turkey's airspace--not so much. 🤐


    I agree with Obama (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 06:04:28 PM EST
    Putin is out of control.

    It's an alert (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 06:15:34 AM EST
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    That Depends... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 24, 2015 at 08:34:19 AM EST
    ...on stuff we will never know, and since Bush was doing it at opportune times,  I tend to cut Obama a little more slack, but not a whole lot.  It would help if TSA didn't have a failure rate of 95%.

    The problem IMO is these warnings don't change traveling plans, all they do it put people on edge.  I mean after Paris & Egypt, we don't need warnings about staying alert when there is no specific threat.

    The short of it:

    Terrorists are trying to kill each and everyone of you, but don't be afraid, be vigilant.

    I would hate to be a muslim traveling this weekend in a western country that is for sure.  Even on the news today showing the lines at Bush Airport, the camera man zoomed in on a guy with a turban for about 30 seconds.

    On the Today Show they also had some retired FBI something or another talking about soft targets and telling people to stay away from public and crowded areas.  WTF, has the guy never been out from Thanksgiving to Xmas, that is all it is crowded public areas, at least where I live.  He must be a spokesman for Amazon on the side.


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