Wednesday Open Thread

Who is behind the attack at the airport in Turkey? Many signs point to ISIS, but they haven't taken credit. Here's why they may not claim credit.

Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman has filed two temporary writs of amparo against extradition -- both were granted on a temporary basis. There are varying reports of the grounds for the amparo on the San Diego case. I've read the "sinthesis" on the Mexico court website and can't figure out what it says, even with Google translate.

Not much has changed in the Presidential campaign. Here's ABC's list of potential veep choices for Hillary and Donald Thump. (I'm calling him Thump instead of Trump this week because I think he's going to land with a dull thud in November. I also don't like sending more web traffic his way than I have to.) Nate Silver today says Hillary has a 79% chance of winning in November.

I've never even heard of some of ABC's picks. Right now I'm thinking Hillary will pick Elizabeth Warren, who I think would be a great choice. I also like Julian Castro. If Thump picks Chris Christie, at least we don't have to worry about Christie being Attorney General. I didn't care for Jeff Sessions when he was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama -- I'd like him even less as VP, but Thump isn't going to win so I don't think it matters much.

Hillary spoke in Denver yesterday, right in my neighborhood. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see her.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Veepstakes (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 04:34:36 PM EST
    I've seen Tom Perez on a couple of the shows and think he is very smart, funny, good listener and arguer. I bet he is good on the stump. Reservations are whether he has a good enough resume to qualify for taking over as POTUS, which Hillary says is her main criteria. But I think he may be the July surprise, while all the speculation is about Warren and Kaine.

    This is funny (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 05:06:39 PM EST
    Ha ha (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 05:35:21 PM EST
    I noticed that, but my mind registered that it was a scabbard without a sword in it, in the video though you can see the wolf head on the sword's grip.

    Ha! that's hysterical. (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 05:45:23 PM EST
    No, I did not notice it at all.

    More GoT thoughts... (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    Olenna seems to forget that she poisoned Cercei's son on his wedding day...if Cersei knew that she would have made sure Olenna was in the sept too.

    Tommen really did betray Cersei in a lot of ways. The more I think about it the more surprised I am she did not let hime go to the sept. She already had her coronation outfit picked out. Maybe she was going to take the throne even if Tommen had lived.


    She did not seem very (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 06:30:48 PM EST
    Upset or surprised did she.   And she had the Mountain keep him in the room so he had a perfect ring side seat.  That sequence, Tommens suicide was so well done.  I watched it several times.  You see him looking out the window then you see him step away from the window and remove his crown.   The camera does not move.   It stays locked on the window.  You know what's going to happen.    Is he backing up to take a run at it?  Then he steps back into frame and does his rather graceful dive.

    So well done.


    Yes - I did too! I noticed that he was framed (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:05:47 PM EST
    off-center in the window so you could still see the burning sept. Really well done.

    All season I was noticing the framing of conversations in front of windows, especially in that room in the sept when the Sparrow was talking with the various people he was working. Mainly a way to let in natural looking light I suppose, but it also added a real beauty to what otherwise would have been rather dull looking scenes.

    Did you watch the ending sequence a few times too? Those dragons flying over the water and ships were amazing - and when the dragon dipped his tail in the water - wow. That is some high end computing power there.


    Yes (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:23:32 PM EST
    That closing was perfect.  The dragons have been my favorite characters for a while.  I am not looking forward to them becoming weapons.  You know most or all won't survive.  I have wondered if, since we have three dragons, we might get more eggs at some point.

    The cinematography in that episode was excellent.  Especially the opening which I watched several times.  The arial views of the sept mixed with extreme close ups.   The music.  The editing.  

    I suspect  I will not be alone in wondering with a wan smile from time to time over the next few months what Gregor is doing to Unella.  Shame.  Shame......


    Whoa this chart is the best! Beautiful work. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:08:23 PM EST
    Click here for all the character connections officially from HBO, Confirms what was whispered about Jon's parentage, to dispel my lingering doubt.

    I'll have to check him out (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 05:37:01 PM EST
    I don't care for Kaine, never have. If Liz wants the job great. I'd rather take the Senate back though and have her run it.

    Tim Kaine is the cautious choice. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:17:36 PM EST
    You're playing the percentages if you choose him as the vice presidential nominee. It's a safe call, but otherwise uninspiring.

    In baseball parlance, Kaine is the veteran pinch hitter you send to the plate with the score tied in the 8th inning, who'll gladly do as he's told, and will sacrifice bunt in order to move the potential winning run into scoring position.

    But when you're up big, you turn to the promising rookie who's obviously chomping at the bit to get into the game while riding the bench, and you tell him to swing for the fences.

    Right now, this game's not close, and Hillary Clinton doesn't need a batter who can bunt the baserunner to third. She needs to send someone new to home plate who can knock it into the bleachers and quickly put this game out of reach.



    You should probably take (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:33:26 PM EST
    Another look at the state by state polls.  The game is close.  Considering what a horrible campaign Trump has run its IMO rather incredibly close.  In any sane world she would be 20 points ahead.

    I also think Trumps support is almost certainly being under polled.  Because people will not want to admit they are voting for him.

    I don't think Kaine is safe at all.  I don't thnk it will be Kaine.  It might not be Warren.  But she needs more than a yawn for a VP.


    IMO (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:13:09 PM EST
    it's going to be someone that nobody thinks is going to be VP. Maybe even someone that no one has mentioned. IMO those names have been floated out there as distractions especially Kaine's.

    That always seems to be the way, (none / 0) (#21)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:15:51 PM EST
    Lots of trial balloons.

    As far as the polls go, I think Hillary Clinton's lead in both key demographics and key states is such that it's really not as close as some might otherwise think. Trump is generally holding together his white-wing primary base but is very clearly having trouble expanding it, so I tend to believe that he's either at or close to his ceiling.

    Of course, that's certainly no reason to get complacent and take this election for granted. The Democrats need to campaign hard, because there's a rare but very genuine opportunity to blow not just Trump out of the water, but also the entire GOP slate as well.

    If Mrs. Clinton can manage to widen her lead prior to the party conventions, and / or narrow Trump's lead amongst white males, the entire Congress could very well be in play in the fall, as well as state legislatures in key battleground states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and even Arizona.

    So if we're Mrs. Clinton and the DNC, we're campaigning our a$$es off, applying a full-court press and taking no prisoners in an effort to hold Trump's vote to under 40% in November. The potential ripple effects from such an accomplishment could be seismic.



    What emerges from the GOP convention (none / 0) (#41)
    by christinep on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 11:30:32 PM EST
    could have an effect, perhaps, on HRC's final decision about VP.  While the question of who-for-VP is central, the related query of when-for-VP-decision shouldn't be lost.  Even tho it is difficult to figure how Trump can pull of a good convention with the fiasco that it might be shaping up to be, he might act the magician for that week.  

    If that transformation to successful convention occurs with his speech and VP pick, it could be that the chance of a safe Democratic VP candidate would rise.  I wouldn't rule out Tim Kaine just yet ... there are a lot of old connections amongst T. McCauliffe & T. Kaine & the Clintons.  (Speaking of longtime friendly relations, husband occasionally mentions the possibility of one that I had not even thought seriously about:  A man deep Colorado roots who was state AG, US Senator, &  Interior Secretary ... Ken Salazar, who has campaigned heavily throughout the west on HRC's behalf, etc.)


    His electoral history (none / 0) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:20:03 PM EST
    is close to a blank.

    "Montgomery County (Maryland) Council" is the one office he has attained at the voting booth.

    When is the last time we had a VP that wasn't a current or former Rep, Senator, or Governor?


    Bar complaint against Marilyn Mosby (none / 0) (#7)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 06:20:38 PM EST
    About time.
    According to the complaint, filed by Prof. John F. Banzhaf, Mosby violated multiple provisions of the Maryland Lawyer's Rules of Professional Conduct (RPC) including withholding exculpatory evidence, making improper public statements and continuing to prosecute a case after there is insufficient evidence to support a conviction.

    Banzhaf was involved with the disbarment of Mike Nifong.

    No one wants to talk about that here (none / 0) (#29)
    by NycNate on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 09:52:47 PM EST
    Take it elsewhere.

    This is a blog that discusses legal issues (none / 0) (#30)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:08:22 PM EST
    Politics and Game of Thrones are interesting but we can talk about other stuff as well. Jeralyn's commentary of the Duke Lacrosse Case is what turned me on to TalkLeft.  This is an open thread and what's going on in Baltimore is a big deal.  I see some comparisons between Mosby and Nifong. No one is above the law.      

    Perhaps bad attitudes should be taken elsewhere.  


    It's an Open Thread, Nate. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:26:34 PM EST
    And who appointed you hall monitor, anyway?

    Just watched Tom Brokaw's appearance on (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:11:05 PM EST
    Colbert last night in which he lectured world leaders about not informing the public enough about economic issues.  Seems to me the press used to do more of that before all of the so called journalists were 1% jet-setters.

    I need another gin.

    I am disappointed in Colbert, not for the first time. I think the old satiric Colbert would have made some kind of a remark about press stenography, even to a friend of the show.

    ruffian: "I need another gin."

    Generally, it's not a good idea to imbibe merely to keep pace. And speaking of people who can drive others to drink, here's Camille Paglia. (Camille's optional soundtrack is found in the previous hyperlink.)



    Oh no, I can't take Camille on the same day as TB (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:59:49 PM EST
    Maybe tomorrow!

    LOL! (none / 0) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:16:43 PM EST
    Nuf ced!

    I like Stephen, but his current (none / 0) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:01:18 PM EST
    time slot on The Late Show is a bad fit for him. He is not at his best trying to make nice with guests promoting a movie or a book or a tv show.

    Maybe he should flip time slots with James Corden. That later slot would give Stephen the freedom to let Colbert be Colbert.

    Unfortunately, changing time slots would most certainly be viewed as a demotion for Stephen.


    Yeah, he can't switch slots (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:18:45 PM EST
    And he really does seem to enjoy what he is doing.  I like a lot of the show.  Maybe he'll get better with the celebrity stuff. Needs to dial it back to just south of obsequious.

    This is sort of astonishing (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 07:38:38 PM EST
    You know what was even more astonishing? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:14:24 PM EST
    That MSNBC would actually cut away from President Obama's joint press conference with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, in order to show Donald Trump's Bangor, ME campaign speech in its entirety.

    For the record, I watched it from start to finish, and Trump didn't offer anything other than his usual hyperbolic Schitt stew against liberals, minorities and foreigners which he's already served up to his rabid white-wing followers ad nauseum. And so once again, MSNBC chose to pre-empt actual news in order to gratuitously provide free air time to this megalomaniacal demagogue. I mean, WTF!



    I don't necessarily (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 08:20:39 PM EST
    Think giving Donald air time is doing him a favor.  He said some really crazy sh!t today.  I did not see the speech (thank you) but I did see a lot of discussion of what he said.  Especially the parts about how we should systematicly commit war crimes.  

    Yeah, he certainly did that. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 09:10:03 PM EST
    I actually think my favorite line came when he was ranting about trade, and he said that his desire was to secure a "great deal," and didn't care whether that deal was fair or even good. That's worthy of a campaign ad, in and of itself!

    But as far as the speech itself, well, I don't think the U.S. mainstream media is performing a public service when they grant that sort of demagogic hatemongerer repeated opportunities to maximize both his potential audience and his public appeal.

    The First Amendment protects Trump's right to say whatever the fck he wants in public without fear of government censorship, retaliation and / or retribution. It doesn't further guarantee him access to a microphone and live media coverage.



    I'm not defending MSNBC (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 09:19:14 PM EST
    They put him on because people watch.   But I do think some times the right thing can be done for the wrong reasons.

    I honestly don't think what Trump did today gets him a single vote.   Especially from the MSNBC audience.   I do think it scares a a lot of people.  I have said for a while I knew people who were flirting with the idea of supporting him.  Almost all of this people are no longer flirting.  And it's because of him saying stuff like that speech today was filled with.   I have seen fascination turn into incredulity into alarm.

    I say let him keep talking.  Let him keep appearing with the likes of the governor of Maine and that idiot who did the war hoop in the link above.   The more he talks the more every republican candidate in the country sweats.


    Then I think you'll like and appreciate ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:21:57 PM EST
    ... my just-posted comment about former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka. You can't make this Schitt up, even if you tried. They're literally writing their own punchlines.

    Now Something Surprising (none / 0) (#28)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 09:30:08 PM EST
    One of the world's leading mathematicians has has posted on his blog some sort of attempt to prove the following
    Proposition 1.  The presumptive nominee of the Republican Party, Donald Trump, is not even remotely qualified to carry out the duties of the presidency of the United States of America.
    It is sort of interesting to see how Prof. Tao and the 300 comments try to make one's choice of whom to vote for a matter of logic.  I doubt that it is.  It is more of a guess about the unknowable', unprovable  consequences of ones actions.

    There are lots of sites (none / 0) (#32)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:15:24 PM EST
    debating Trump v Clinton but I have to say the one you linked to is one of the most useless I have come across.

    Summer time beach reading suggestion (none / 0) (#31)
    by ragebot on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:09:59 PM EST
    SA is one of my go to sites and they just posted this blurb about a new book I will be reading

    From our "Admiring the View" file: (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:16:05 PM EST
    Irascible former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka, who's on record as supporting Donald Trump, put the kibosh today to the Trump campaign's publicly floated rumors that he was to be part of the GOP presidential candidate's "all-star line-up of winners" who would address the upcoming Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

    Speaking to Chicago media today, Coach Ditka confirmed that while Trump had formally invited him this afternoon to speak in Cleveland, he declined because "I don't travel much anymore except between Chicago and Florida, and giving a speech at a convention isn't really my style."

    Then, employing his trademarked take-no-prisoners style of pep talk which he probably assumed would help his good friend Trump, the NFL Hall of Famer went for the jugular:

    "The Republican Party has its head up its a$$ -- if he's the candidate, you've got to get behind him. It does the party no good. They're a bunch of a$$holes."

    LOL! Thanks a lot, Coach.

    Birds of a feather and all that (none / 0) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:23:49 PM EST
    The way (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:53:06 PM EST
    people are announcing that they are not going to the convention I'm left wondering exactly who is going to be speaking. It seems that Donald is the only one that is speaking but maybe that's the way he wants it. Instead of the GOP convention we could have a many day informerical for Trump Wine, Trump steaks, Trump University etc. etc. etc.

    Sports night at the GOP? (none / 0) (#40)
    by christinep on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 11:05:25 PM EST
    Already publicized as representing "winners" who will have some role one night at the convention--gasp--Mike Tyson, Mike Ditka, Bobby Knight, and some forgettable NASCAR driver.  Oh, and when he is in Denver addressing some rightwing conference later this week, he reportedly will attend a cocktail party at the home of former Broncos coach, Mike Shanahan.

    What's next after that is anyone's guess.


    I think (none / 0) (#42)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 11:31:54 PM EST
    ...there will be some action in the streets around the arena.

    Ohio is an open carry state, and the police have announced they can't control that outside the arena.  No guns inside of course.

    I suggest liberal protesters stay a couple of states distant.  We won't need liberal provocateurs, they bring their own.

    As far as what is on the stage, well, that's going to be the problem.  It's like a premonition of Altamont, except that the crowd assembled and the Stones canceled.  With nothing, nada, zip inside the building worthy of attention, all the action will be on the periphery, among the various GOP soccer hooligan factions who are too rude to be allowed inside anyway.

    They will be coming to party and celebrate the hostile takeover of the asylum.  I will watch from the safety of my living room 2000 miles away, celebrating in my own way.


    ha! (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Wed Jun 29, 2016 at 10:31:54 PM EST
    i said i wanted elizabeth warren for vp MONTHS ago and everybody here was "blah blah" about why it was a dump idea.  not a dumb idea and jeralyn says so. ha ha.