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Saturday Afternoon Open Thread

Today may be our last day of decent weather before another big snowstorm. Which means I better get some things done that don't involve being at a computer.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

Update: Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have split, divided their property ($300+ million)and the six kids. Maybe that's why he looked like a cross between the Hermit in the tarot deck and Osama at the Haiti telethon. I had assumed he was just having a midlife crisis. I wonder if Twitter will crash with the news.

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    They're baaaaack -- (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 06:57:39 PM EST
    but can they send tingles up legs of media for other candidates across the country?  Can they claim inflated crowd counts, unquestioned by media, for whistlestops in small towns in state after state?  Can they tweet the OFA into the streets again? Or do they actually know other tricks?  But at least Obama knows that as national leader of the party, he and its "leadership" blew it with their hubris about Massachusetts:

    WASHINGTON - President Obama is reconstituting the team that helped him win the White House to counter Republican challenges in the midterm elections and recalibrate after political setbacks that have narrowed his legislative ambitions.

    Mr. Obama has asked his former campaign manager, David Plouffe, to oversee House, Senate and governor's races to stave off a hemorrhage of seats in the fall. The president ordered a review of the Democratic political operation -- from the White House to party committees -- after last week's Republican victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, aides said.

    In addition to Mr. Plouffe, who will primarily work from the Democratic National Committee in consultation with the White House, several top operatives from the Obama campaign will be dispatched across the country to advise major races as part of the president's attempt to take greater control over the midterm elections, aides said.



    Meant to add source: the NYT (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 06:59:27 PM EST
    is the source saying that Obama's
    "decision to take greater control of the party's politics signals a new approach. The White House is searching for ways to respond to panic among Democrats over the possible demise of his health care bill and a political landscape being reshaped by a wave of populism.  Yet improving the tactical operations addresses only one part of his challenge. A more complicated discussion under way, advisers said, is how to sharpen the president's message and leadership style. . . .


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    He shoulda hired Rex Ryan ;) (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 07:03:09 PM EST
    I wonder how it's going to work without a "magical" "destiny" etc candidate?

    All I can say is, that if they stick their nose in NY politics, Helicopter Harold better not benefit.

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    Estimates right (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 07:20:21 PM EST
    now based strictly on MA is that the party will lose 100 seats in the house in November.

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    This sounds eerily familiar (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 08:17:13 PM EST
    A more complicated discussion under way, advisers said, is how to sharpen the president's message and leadership style. . . .

    Sounds exactly what worried Republicans were saying about GWB in the weeks before 9/11.

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    Wow, you can remember (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 06:16:47 AM EST
    the week before 9/11?  I can't, but we were traveling then and I had spent the summer in Korea and was zero in touch with U.S. issues.

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    Translation: (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 07:17:33 PM EST
    The party is screwed. All they could come up with in 2008 was to create a cult like movement. They aren't showing up anymore. Aparently the followers have moved on.

    After three elections in a row where he couldnt get them to show up, they should get the message but I guess not.

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    Seems like they are off to a good (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 07:21:48 PM EST
    start with Obama's/Burris's US Senate seat in Illinois.  Alexi Giannoulias, the 34 year old State Treasurer, is the leading contender in the Democratic primary, and has met with Axelrod for advice.  Alexi has bumped into some problems as treasurer, particularly in the management of the Illinois Bright Start College Savings Program wherein it lost more than 40 percent of its value, even more than first reported.  He did buy an SUV out of the funds, but notes that he is not the only one who uses it.  Alexi knows something about money, having been a loan officer for his family's bank, Broadway Bank.  His Democratic opponent has publicly claimed some questionable practices of the bank, and, Tony Rezko (yes that Tony) has apparently used Broadway as his special ATM.  

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    Oh, no, Rezko is baaack, too. :-) (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 08:52:22 PM EST
    Don't Take The Bail-out (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by kidneystones on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 11:16:40 PM EST
    Ford is doing better in large part by identifying itself as the brand that said no thanks to Washington.

    My guess is local Dems will do far better visibly refusing help from the two Davids than from having 'help' from the WH.

    Fairly clearly, the three loses in Virginia, NJ, and now MA confirm that help from Washington isn't going to get anyone over the top.

    Saying 'no thanks' loudly and very clearly to the two Davids might be the safest way home for vulnerable Dems.

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    Delusion (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 08:19:00 PM EST
    Did you see this from Plouffe?  Seriously delusional.

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    He still puts the health bill (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 08:53:00 PM EST
    before jobs.  Yeh, Dems are screwed.

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    And to try and say that we will (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 09:16:28 PM EST
    "see" the upside/truth of the bill as a reflection on the upcoming elections is total bull. What exactly will we "see" by Nov? And how will it counteract what would come down the pike (tax, mandates, cost)? Unless they give us the health bill we want, I really don't see how passing it will help. Have they forgotten Tuesday and the recent polls? Talk (or "just words"!) about how great it is, I really don't think will fly after this past year. Sure won't for me.

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    Well, they're just not honest (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by observed on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 09:40:50 PM EST
    about how the plan is supposed to work.
    The excise tax is important to the Senate bill because it will reduce medical spending through depriving the middle class of the health care  plans they like; the theory being that those plans are a significant reason for excess medical procedures. This is an argument I have yet to see numbers on, although I'm sure they exist; the problem is that I KNOW there are other large factors in medical overutilization.
    Surely there are other approaches.
    This one is political poison.

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    Ayn Rand (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 10:27:12 PM EST
    Why is it that the mere mention of her name by Republican friends makes my blood boil?

    'Cos she couldn't write her way out of a paper bag (none / 0) (#25)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 11:52:04 PM EST
    ... perchance?

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    I wonder then (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 10:15:27 AM EST
    how her popularity is so well-sustained.

    I guess her "philosophy" gives people excuses for being a-holes.

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    Actually, her novels (none / 0) (#38)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 01:46:43 PM EST
    are ripping good stories if you're a slightly nerdy 10-year-old.  Seriously.  I loved them, though I thought the political ideas were a little weird.

    But some 10-year-olds never get over it, apparently.

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    Good News (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kidneystones on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 11:02:53 PM EST
    Maybe for Dems.

    The Tea Party seems to be successfully resisting approaches from a Republican party that generally has even less business governing than Dems.

    Which means an energized right that might very well split come 2012. I don't frankly see any political future for the current occupant of the Oval office barring a miraculous drop in unemployment. Nor do I see the staged reunion of the two Davids doing much to change things.

    Once Dems climb off their high horse and stop looking down their noses at those who disagree, they may begin to see that voters do not view Republicans with any particular affection.

    The future of local communities and jobs is really all that counts. History can wait.

    The tea party (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 06:01:54 AM EST
    movement only has in common amongst its members is a sort knee jerk anti-obama thing. When you get past that each person has their own issue. You have the neoconfederates. you have the anti abortion people. you have unemployed people looking for blame. They can't even organize themselves around an issue it seems and are already fighting amongst themselves. Then you have the GOP already showing cracks around the Scott Brown win. IMO, in 2012 there's goign to be a huge opening for someone but I don't know who that will be.

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    That may be (none / 0) (#29)
    by kidneystones on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 06:17:49 AM EST
    your experience. I'm curious how many you've met or know. I know this much, I won't be relying on the same folks who demonized me as a 'racist' for opposing Obama to explain the tea-party movement to me. I'm happy to hear from your experiences, however.

    I think there's no doubt that some folks do make race based critiques and that some of these folks are part of the tea-party. What was it Rahm's dad said about Arabs? Bigotry knows no political bounds in my experience.

    That said, I'm willing to listen to any sound critique. I rely on Matt Welch and others at Reason magazine. It's possible their potty faith in Randism blinds them to bigotry, but I doubt it. Welch can't stand Republicans, for the most part and wrote a scathing biography of McCain.

    The nuts are there, no doubt and I'm not making excuses for them. You could be right. Either way, most seem to want little to do with Republicans, no matter how much Republicans want to show them some love. I don't see them working together well, and that could be good news for Dems.

    Who sure could use some.

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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 07:11:12 AM EST
    down here we have "tea partiers" who are hauling around the confederate flag so I think you and I both would put those in the neoconfederate racist category. I'm not calling everyone a racist who criticizes Obama like the David/David axis does/did.

    The best way I can describe them is as a mirror image of the Obama cultists. He is a blank slate for them to project all their dislikes and problems onto. That's the umbrella I would classify the whole tea party movement under. When you get deeper into it each person has an issue like abortion that they're about but there is not really a coherent agreement on issues across the board I would say.

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    Josh told me the other (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 07:56:30 AM EST
    day that there used to be two Presidents in the Unites States during the civil war.  Amazing how history is taught differently based on the state you learn it in :)  I pretended to get all flustered and upset and told him that in the Yankee world there has never ever been more than one President governing in the United States at one time. Whenever I see the rebel flag proudly displayed I know the "N" word is welcome too.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 07:39:38 AM EST
    That sounds like the Democratic Party... (with apologies to Will Rogers)

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    We did what my husband calls (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 03:32:59 PM EST
    Linner, a big meal in between lunch time and dinner time.  It is a habit in this house on the weekends.  We ordered Dominos and it was pretty good.  It isn't extra special but it wasn't terrible.  We will probably add them to the list of choices now.  Joshua ate three pieces instead of his usual two, so there's a compliment in there.  I also broke with my shunning of everything Woody Allen and watched 'Cassandra's Dream' because I couldn't handle never seeing Ewan McGregor and Colin Farrel playing brothers.  Edward Norton was not a believable Colin Farrel brother for me.  I just couldn't get my brain to buy into that brotherhood.  Colin and Ewan were very believable for me and the movie was excellent IMO.

    I like Linner on the weekend too (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 08:14:13 PM EST
    Aways too busy to have lunch at a normal time.

    Thanks for the Cassandra's Dream recommendation. Ewan McGregor is always a fave of mine, so I will put that one on my Q.

    I saw Avatar this afternoon. Pretty much what I had heard - great visuals and effects, not much going for it otherwise. Glad I saw it though so I know what people are talking about. I'm not good at watching sci-fi though. I can suspend disbelief for the big things, like the whole new world, but little things like the Colonel at the end still swinging around and flying the ship with his arm on fire  make me yell at the screen.  And all the dialog just sounded like James Cameron talking.

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    What's the wait between Blunch and Linner usually? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ellie on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 12:01:22 AM EST
    Or can you lay both out as a day-long brackffet, as I often do to accommodate visitors and spare them from adjusting to the hosts' skeds?

    Coincidentally, this spares me from having to wear a pink waitress's uni -- with a giant napkin to my b00b with a pin that says "Vida-Mae" -- and Husb from reprising his role as the famous out-of-work actor/waitron, "Kyle".

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    Spicey Carrot chips . . . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 05:50:47 PM EST
    have The Dot dancing, play bowing, throwing hi-5's (alternating paws!) and going through the rest of her trick bag trying to get more. Me, I'm just trying to read my email, lol!~ A 50lb dog is quite a bit of wiggle for one small lap . . . .

    Did you see (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 09:40:44 PM EST
    the incredible rescue of the dog from the LA River on TV yesterday?

    */Big German sheperd got himself stranded in the rain-swollen river, but was terrified of the people who tried to wade out to get him and kept going through the water.

    Finally, an LA County rescue guy got himself lowered from a helicopter, managed to corner and grab the frightened dog, which was exhausted but still managed to bite the guy enough to put him in the hospital afterwards, apparently.

    He got a good grip on the dog and lifted him up, then the helicopter oh-so-slowly and carefully brought them up and over the bridge and lowered them carefully to the ground.  The guy kept hold of the dog and a bunch of rescue people swarmed over and took charge, ultimately taking the dog away in the rescue vehicle, while the guy who'd gotten him calmly backed away and signaled for the still hovering helo to pull him back up again.

    I'm someone who turns the channel when car chases and the like come on, but this one had my heart in my mouth the whole time.  MSNBC and Fox both carried it, but I happened to be watching Fox, which was being presided over by the almost always wonderful and very human Shepard Smith while this was going on.  He kept apologizing for sticking with this instead of doing actual "news," but told people to change the channel if they didn't want to watch it because he was going to stay with it and they could tune in again at 7;00 when he'd do a whole hour of news.

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    High 5 to Shep Smith :) (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 10:09:43 PM EST
    I didn't click on the vid until I knew there was a happy ending. I can only take so much ;) I was happy to hear the FF defending the dog biting. It's kinda reassuring to know they understand and it's a good lesson for the masses. Also, they went into this knowing the dog could/would bite. Even had a muzzle but couldn't get it on the dog in the conditions.

    Apparently, there's a contingent out there that thought this rescue was a waste of taxpayers $$, so they sent hate mail to bloggers etc.

    I love comment #29 in response to the FB page:

    LAFD Firefighter Joe St. Georges just sent me an e-mail: "I'm humbled at this expression of gratitude. I really don't think I did anything any other firefighter in Los Angeles City Fire wouldn't have done. So, on behalf of all the LAFD men and women, Thank You so very much for everything."


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    Heart-stopping (none / 0) (#24)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 11:26:49 PM EST
    I realized some time ago that I'm completely lacking any kind of spiritual context for animal suffering.  I have a really hard time with stuff like that.  But once I saw the dog on the screen, I couldn't not watch.

    I do understand the point of view that says it's disgraceful for society to spend so much time and attention on an animal when there are human children suffering we're unwilling to step up and take care of.  I have no real answer for that.

    But to see any creature suffering or in danger and just walk on by is also terribly wrong.

    Turns out, btw, the hero guy is no spring chicken, he's 50.  As Shep said, you could hear the telephones going nuts with the bookers for every TV show on the planet trying to be the first to get an interview with him.

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    I will have to go watch the video (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 06:49:20 AM EST
    I don't put my dogs ahead of kids, and my own kids won't ever allow me to either :)  GSDs are my breed though.  My new girl Gretel that I got from another breeder (met her last year and loved her so he called me when he needed to place her due to moving) is so very very special.  She has all the temperament I admire in them, patient, watchful, gentle hearted to people she has found to be safe and kind, alerts to strangers though.

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    Snow, huh? (none / 0) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 06:43:20 PM EST
    Guess that would explain the big crowd at King Stoopers tonight.  Thankfully, there wasn't a line at the pharmacy.  

    The Post doesn't mention anything about snow until Wednesday though.

    Hillary Clinton special on public TV (none / 0) (#4)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 06:47:39 PM EST
    My local public television station just informed me that on this coming Wednesday, Jan. 27, it will be airing a special "Tavis Smiley Reports" on Secretary of State Clinton.  From the promo it looks like the program will focus on her work at State-- her goals, progress, challenges, etc.

    Here in Oregon Public Broadcasting land it will air at 8 PM. Check your local listings.

    Same here (none / 0) (#5)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 06:57:32 PM EST
    I saw the commercial today and added it to my calender.

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    saw the commercial today? (none / 0) (#36)
    by diogenes on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 12:56:30 PM EST
    I thought that the Hillary Clinton informercial was airing on January 27.

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    Informercial? On PBS? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 01:28:34 PM EST
    Is there a snarky subtext to your comment re public teevee?

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