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SEIU: With Parallel Reconciliation Fix, Pass The Senate Bill

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:03:57 PM EST
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Andy Stern:

The House should pass the Senate's health insurance reform bill - with an agreement that it will be fixed, fixed right, and fixed right away through a parallel process. [. . . ] The House and Senate must move forward together. And, there is no reason they cannot move forward together to make those changes through any means possible -- whether through reconciliation or other pieces of moving legislation.

(Emphasis supplied.) While the language is different than the AFL-CIO's, the message is the same - the Stand Alone Senate bill is unacceptable.

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    SEIU: With Parallel Reconciliation Fix, Pass The Senate Bill | 17 comments (17 topical)

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    I'm sorry (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:08:42 PM EST
    but I don't trust them to fix the current bill. They've so botched this whole exercise that they need to pass things one piece at a time. Pass a bill ending recission. Pass another bill opening up medicare etc. This is also good politics. It puts the GOP in a corner.

    Do we actually trust (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:09:11 PM EST
    That they will "fix it later"?  As Anne said in an earlier post - we're still waiting for Obama to fix FISA from the 2008 vote....

    Parallel (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:11:54 PM EST
    means in the same time frame to me.

    Maybe it means something different to you.

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    Revise (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:15:17 PM EST
    Do you trust them to fix it at the same time then?  I still don't....

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    I don't (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:16:16 PM EST
    But in terms of what is in the post and what Stern wrote, your comment seemed to misunderstand.

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    How does he (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    think this should happen? Since he doesn't say, and from what I posted earlier, it's not really an easy process.

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    "Simultaneous" would be a better word. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:17:09 PM EST


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    It would (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:23:39 PM EST
    Frankly, Stern was shaving it.

    Straddling if you like.

    But he had to put those words in and he knows it but Obama is his buddy so . . .

    But when he has to put it in more concrete terms, I think it is clear that he will demand simultaneous action.

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    Amending my earlier advice, there's something they (none / 0) (#11)
    by steviez314 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:32:21 PM EST
    can do first now:

    Kick Lieberman out of the caucus.

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    I suppose, but it can't be literally (none / 0) (#15)
    by Demi Moaned on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:47:23 PM EST
    ... simultaneous. In terms of legislative process one bill has to come before the other. Kagro (surprise) walks through some of the possible scenarios. Worth reading.

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    And fix right means what? (none / 0) (#8)
    by hookfan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:22:36 PM EST
       Different meaning to union workers than congressional leadership.

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    How persuasive will the unions be (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:31:45 PM EST
    re Congress?  I recall reading the largest component of union membership now is government employees.  Given benefits, including health care benefits, are frequently better for government employees than for people doing comparable jobs in private industry, do our elected representatives listen to unions or to those w/o union representation?  

    Do you mean "do" (none / 0) (#13)
    by hookfan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:42:26 PM EST
    or "should" by this: do our elected representatives listen to unions or to those w/o union representation?  
     I don't think they really listen to either, but attempt to play one against the other. "Should" is another matter. . .

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    What does Obama mean? (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    AP

    Republicans would be all over it, (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:46:17 PM EST
    and Obama would lose not only their ideas, but also, their continued support.

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    Surrender flag unfurling (none / 0) (#16)
    by Manuel on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:48:24 PM EST
    Sounds like they are going to scale back.  MedicAid expansion with high income tax through reconciliation?

    It seems (none / 0) (#17)
    by bob h on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 04:39:26 PM EST
    the Democrats really have to try this. But give stakeholders some time to decompress and ponder the implications of letting HCR die.  Do they want to lose the unions, too?

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