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Thursday Afternoon Open Thread

BTD and I are both busy at work today. Some other things going on:

The ACLU on the hacking attack on Google (which prompted it to tell the Chinese government it would no longer censor on its behalf):

[W]hen you design information architectures around providing law enforcement with people's personal information, that can open up significant security gaps that become vulnerable to exploitation by hackers.

See this Computer World article.

The Supreme Court may have banned video from the Prop 8 trial, but Firedoglake is there and Marcy Wheeler is live-blogging.

The Immigration Policy Center says granting TPS (Temporary Protected Status) to Haitians is now an urgent matter.

The AP reports a tentative deal on the health care bill Cadillac Tax.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I've seen the face of terror.... (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:15:36 PM EST
    and it belongs to an eight year old cub scout from Clifton NJ named Mikey Hicks.  I hope Mikey grows to love pat downs because he is in for a lifetime of them.

    But yeah, lets give the TSA more power to f*ck with people...brilliant idea!

    Sure, laugh, but adorability is their next weapon (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ellie on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:37:56 PM EST
    Did the kid have merit badges? Could he recite them?

    How was he on helping a little old lady across the street (or the terminal)? Did they pass one in front of him to see how he'd react?

    See, that's where they slip up.

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    Ya know you're right... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:02:55 PM EST
    they even train the little buggers to use fire...we better recruit a brigade of pint-sized spies to infiltrate the cub scouts...maybe even get a little cointelpro action going.

    Safety first and all that:)

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    Time to call in the Brownies (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ellie on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:09:10 PM EST
    Yeah, I served. [/spit]

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    Not the Brownies..... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:30:44 PM EST
    You've gotta call on the Camp Fire Girls (yeah, I was one).  We got wooden beads instead of patches.  My kids were 4-H.  The 4-H does it right- no beads or patches, the kids get cash, for selling their animals, and as prizes at the Fair.  Nothing like indoctrinating little capitalists early.  ;-)  

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    I was a Brownie, and proud of it (none / 0) (#14)
    by Cream City on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:47:40 PM EST
    all the way through senior scouting, to the point that I had to start a second badge sash.  And I was a leader, too -- because the Girl Scouts of America does great work and does the right thing on social issues, unlike the Boyz Scouts.  

    But my mom wished we had Camp Fire Girls in our area to continue that tradition, as she belonged to it in her girlhood.  So I inherited her Camp Fire Girls uniform, all politically incorrect as it is -- I don't know about now, but hers from that era is a faux Native American outfit.  And it's loaded with beads! but until now, I didn't know what those meant.  Thanks.

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    I lasted less than an hour... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:51:40 PM EST
    at my first and only cub scout meeting...not my scene, even at a young age.  Unless a pair of cleats or basketball sneakers are/were involved, I don't/didn't do uniforms and regimentation.

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    Too conformist for you? :) (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 04:16:56 PM EST
    It must have been the uniforms (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:13:08 PM EST
    Camp Fire (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 04:00:35 PM EST
    has been co-ed for over thirty years now, and is called "Camp Fire USA."  They've gotten rid of the politically incorrect faux-Native American stuff, as far as I know.  We used to get beads for completing service and knowledge projects, and sewed them on our uniforms in what was supposed to have been Native American patterns.  And, yes, we did learn how to build campfires.  ;-)

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    The greeks had a name for you girls ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ellie on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:51:59 PM EST
    Pyromaniacs!!!

    The name we Brownies had, well, I can't post on TL. ;-)

    (Nah, we respect our sisters in uniform.)

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    I believe that (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 04:03:06 PM EST
    I've heard the name mentioned, Ellie. (Ahem.)  When my daughter was young, she was a Brownie, and I was her Brownie Scout leader, but then she switched to 4-H.  (I think she preferred the money to the badges, and we did live on a farm.)

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    The greeks had a name for you girls ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ellie on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:51:59 PM EST
    Pyromaniacs!!!

    The name we Brownies had, well, I can't post on TL. ;-)

    (Nah, we respect our sisters in uniform.)

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    Did the Greeks make s'mores? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Cream City on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 04:47:35 PM EST
    And if not, then they cannot truly be said to have attained the heights of civilization.  Mmmmmmm.

    Of course, only years later did I discover that both chocolate and graham crackers have been considered aphrodisiacs.  And as for marshmallows, well, need it even be said?

    Such a great idea, isn't it, to gather dozens of preteen girls and fill them with sugar?  No wonder my mother had another famous camping recipe known as, um, "leader lemonade."

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    Ooooohhhh (none / 0) (#24)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:16:28 PM EST
    Good for your Mom, Cream City.  When I was a Brownie Scout leader, and later a 4-H adult volunteer, we never had that......I guess I was missing out!  And I must say, as a proud Greek-American (what, you thought my nom de blog was random?) no, the Greeks didn't have s'mores.  At least, not the ones "back then."  Baklava, karidopita, kourabiethes, galatobouriko, etc, yes.  Not s'mores, though.  ;-)

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    I'm waiting on the law... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:22:44 PM EST
    that makes it illegal for a police officer to be within 1000 feet of a school.  Linkage.

    Obama's First Year (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:42:15 PM EST
    I wanted to point you all to this post in Salon today, which I found both fascinating and insightful.

    Here's an excerpt:

    As Obama entered office a year ago, one of the biggest questions on the minds of political observers was how this massive grass-roots force might help Obama shake up Washington. Expectations were high, not least because of Obama's own campaign rhetoric. "The more we can enlist the American people to pay attention and be involved, that's the only way we are going move an agenda forward," he told audiences on the trail. "That's how we are going to counteract the special interests." On Jan. 17, 2008, when Obama announced the formation of Organizing for America (OFA) as the successor organization to his campaign, he told would-be supporters, "The movement you've built is too important to stop growing now." He promised that "volunteers, grass-roots leaders and ordinary citizens will continue to drive our organization, helping us bring about the changes we proposed during the campaign." More than half a million people watched the YouTube video of Obama's OFA announcement within just a few days.

    Well, those heady days of hope, change and activism are long gone. The (useful) myth of Obama's grass-roots philosophy collided with the reality of his embrace of Wall Street and the political establishment. The Obama movement days are over, perhaps never to return. If you doubt this, just ask yourself: How did a campaign supposedly powered by small donors and "super-volunteer" activists produce an administration whose economic chieftains come straight from the belly of big finance? How was it that the day after the election Wall Street was calling the shots on the most critical decisions of the nascent administration, while no one had a plan for keeping the grass-roots movement going?

    The conclusion:

    Unfortunately, after running the most brilliantly organized insurgent campaign in recent political history, Obama and crew have chosen to play an inside game in Washington and put their outside force in a carefully crafted holding pen, imagining they can turn the grass-roots juice on again in 2010, like flipping a switch. But now that they need it, heading into the tough headwinds of 10 percent unemployment and a frustrated electorate, the authentic movement is gone. Too late, Obama will learn the most basic lesson of grass-roots organizing: You can't order volunteers to do anything -- you have to motivate them, and Obama's compromises to the powers that be have been tremendously demotivating. It's a shame. A movement is a terrible thing to waste.

    I'll say.


    A telling and timely excerpt (none / 0) (#8)
    by coast on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:03:00 PM EST
    given the post above about the backroom deals on HCR.  Message to Obama - the American people are paying attention as you enlisted us to do, but we are not feeling all that involved.

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    The HCB deals are almost comical (none / 0) (#26)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 15, 2010 at 09:42:47 AM EST
    at this point.

    What won't they do to pass this albatross.

    I think we are way past the point where passing something is better then nothing.

    They can keep telling themselves that but passing this piece of garbage will be a weight around their neck for 2 or 3 election cycles just like Iraq was a weight around the neck of republicans.

    I mean name a democratic constituent (other then actual middle class workers)that isn't getting a sweetheart deal to get this piece of garbage through.

    Is there anyone still left that thinks this is good legislation?

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    Check out Jonathan Chiat's blog at TNR (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by esmense on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:22:57 PM EST
    ...the post "Noemie Emery Nails It" where he admits that at the "Ivy League cocktail parties" where he "hangs out" "everybody" thought "Obama's cosmopolitanism would, within the first year of his presidency, end terrorism and cause the unilateral disarmament of North Korea and Iran."

    Furthermore he says, "I want to be clear: it wasn't even that we thought Obama's foreign policy agenda would lead to these outcomes. We were certain that his cosmopolitan style alone would do the trick."

    Now I'm not at all surprised at this revelation -- it was obvious that many Obama supporters, in and out of the media, expected magical things from Obama based on who he was rather than what he had previously done and achieved. But I am shocked that Chiat could admit something like this and still presume that he and his crowd should be taken seriously as observers and "analysts" of the political life of the nation.

    Just one more example not only of the fact that our "meritocracy" (in which youthful academic credentials are valued above proven, real life achievement) isn't working -- but also of the fact that the beneficiaries of this broken system, having been assured of their superiority, brilliance and god-given right to leadership and influence from the cradle, are incapable of self-correction.

    Posted this earlier (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:06:48 PM EST
    About the health care deal

    It gets better and better.

    The deal would temporarily exempt union health plans from a significant surtax on unusually generous health policies plans, giving union leaders time to negotiate new contracts, according to sources familiar with the talks. They spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid affecting ongoing negotiations. Additional details of the deal were not immediately available.

    Steve Brusk of CNN tweets this:

    Under tent. deal, health care policies for state, local workers, ones negotiated by labor unions would not be taxed until 2017.
    .......

    about 1 hour ago from web Still fluid, but involves raising the threshold for tax on insurance plans above Senate bill (tax on plans costing $23,000+ for families.)
    about 1 hour ago from web



    Nothing beats (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 01:34:35 PM EST
    Stupid criminals 1

    Stupid criminals 2

    Stupid criminals 3

    Stupid Criminals 4

    And, my favorite:

    A bride who stole nearly half a million pounds to fund her dream wedding has been jailed for two years.

    Joanne Kent, 26, hired every room in a cliff-top hotel, laid on a fireworks display, splashed on flowers and even bought Armani bracelets for guests.

    The mother-of-two spent the money on the lavish ceremony in Newquay, Cornwall, in September 2007 while tying the knot to fiance David.

    Kent pilfered £470,000 from her former employers Wilson UK Ltd, a Walsall subsidiary of an American company supplying the oil industry, before leaving the firm two months before her wedding.

    Guests were treated to a night at the Hotel Victoria funded by the bride, unaware that the champagne they were quaffing had been funded by the firm.

    Kent, originally from Cannock, Staffordhsire, who now lives in Fraddon, Cornwall, even blew more than £50,000 on cars, paying for an Audi A4 and a £38,000 Mazda.

    The court heard she transferred cash to her bank accounts after disguising the money as payments to other firms.

    Prosecutor Mark Phillips said she worked the scam by paying money out of the firm to existing clients, but changing the bank details so it went to her.

    ...

    He said: 'Mrs Kent accepts that she spent £50,000 on her wedding, the hotel bill alone was over £37,000, without the flowers, cards, or fireworks on the beach.

    'She also admits bracelets were given as gifts to guests. With the money she also bought a Mazda worth £38,000 and an Audi A4. Some of the cash was also spent on mortgages on properties.

    'Using dormant companies she would put in her own bank details so the records showed existing creditors as paid when it was her and nothing would be thought of it.

    'The financial manager acted after she saw a discrepancy in a £22,000 payment. It was to a U.S. company who should have been paid in dollars and not in pounds sterling.

    'But for this discrepancy it is very unlikely that Mrs Kent would ever been caught




    Me thinks Mrs. Kent missed her calling... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:04:15 PM EST
    she shoulda went to work for the government with "spending other people's money" skills like that!

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    I'll be catty (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 02:14:07 PM EST
    She should have better spent her money on a different dress.

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    For those who are traveling (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:41:25 PM EST
    More restrictions on air travel due to increased threats.

    The tightened security comes after U.S. officials said new intelligence data suggested that the al-Qaida offshoot in the Arabian country of Yemen was planning another attack on the United States. A British-based Nigerian man affiliated with the group is believed to have been responsible for the aborted attempt to bomb a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas Day.

    The new intelligence was first reported Wednesday by NBC News, which quoted three U.S. officials as saying the intelligence was considered credible. The officials would not describe the information or say whether it indicated a specific target or date.

    "No one believes al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula has stopped planning for attacks on the United States," one of the officials said. "No one believes that the events of December 25 are the last we will see of these guys."



    Hope that little terror... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:31:30 PM EST
    Mikey Hicks isn't planning any funny business!

    "In view of the event of Christmas Day we must remain vigilant about the continued threat we face from al-Qaida," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement after NBC News disclosed the new measures. "We are taking an additional set of aviation security precautions to protect the American people."

    Can't wait to see what their version of "protection" is. If only they were serious about protecting the American people...like the ones in harms way.

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