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If Gen. McChrystal Threatens Resignation, He Should Be Removed

I have only scanned the news reports on Gen. Stanley McChrystal's assessment of the war in Afghanistan, and at first blush, I think he has it right on the strategy. But it is NEVER acceptable for a subordinate to threaten resignation if his superior (in this case, the Commander in Chief, the President of the United States) does not follow his recommendations. But that is apparently what McChrystal may be willing to do:

Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy that the McChrystal they know would resign before he'd stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy. "Yes, he'll be a good soldier, but he will only go so far," a senior official in Kabul said. "He'll hold his ground. He's not going to bend to political pressure."

In my mind, that is NOT what good soldiers do. Good soldiers follow legal orders issued to them. If this report is correct, then General McChrystal should be removed from his command. This threat would seriously weaken the concept enshrined in our Constitution of civilian control of the military. If McArthur can be fired, certainly a McChrystal can be fired.

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    Trial balloon? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:37:36 AM EST
    the McChrystal they know would resign before he'd stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy
     [Italics added.]

    My title starts with word IF (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:38:34 AM EST
    I know. Very subtle. But (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:42:19 AM EST
    Glenn wouldn't like the link.

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    Time for General (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by scribe on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:40:45 AM EST
    Westmoreland (oops!) McChrystal to go.

    I just can't seem to escape typing Westy's name.  Don't know why....

    With friends like that.... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:51:08 AM EST
    Seems like projection on the part of these three officers, probably trying to game the thing. If I were McChrystal I'd be pretty mad at these guys trying to put baby in a corner.

    Let's see if the three are demoted ASAP. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:55:16 AM EST
    Probably anonymous, in true (none / 0) (#21)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:02:27 AM EST
    MSM style.

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    Again, WHAT Afghanistan strategy? (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    The amount of troops there, the amount requested, are still a drop in the bucket compared to what would be needed to "properly" carry out our delusions there.  there will ALWAYS be millions of fighters willing and able to start making our time hell there whenever they please.  We will never have that option.  We are going to continue to be illogical and arrogant and out of our minds tho, because Vietnam looms too large in our prideful heads.  We are not going to control politics there, we are not going to have influence there, none of it, to the degree we have in the past, nor the degree we desire for the future (in fact, it could easily be argued, our influence will never again be ANYthing like it was ANYwhere in the world).  Too many weapons, too many people, too much difficult terrain, and far too many unforgivable f-ups on our part.  Only a nation slowly going insane fights these two wars when its own economy is dying.  Our stupidity right now on all fronts (social, poltical, military) is almost unrivalled in our history.  And worse, we seem incapable of calling it what it is.

    And fire McChrystal anyway, he's an idiot to start with.  He won't bend to political pressure?  Gimme a break, the only way he got to his position in the first place was by being a good company man, which is political as hell.  Tell you what, general, get phucking lost now.  

    Do you really think, Tent, after all we've seen in the last seven years, that the institutional imagination exists in the military anywhere near the extent it would be needed to for "success"?  Sorry, IMO, it would take decades to change the military culture and mindset to where it is ready to "fight" these new and unconventional "wars".  The religious influence alone in our military is frigtening and unacceptable, just like we think it is when other nations use their god nonsense to justify something.

    Sorry, but with my brother's experience, with him yeat again in harm's way there, and with his passion for his mission now all but dead, I cannot share anyone's hawkish stances, epsecially when those stances are not followed immediately by "And, it should be noted, I am actively encouraging my children to, immediately upon high school graduation, join the military so they can fight these wars."  Becausee if we ain't doing that, we really are, when it comes down it it, completely full of sh*t.  

    All I know is my little brother got married and split for hs fourth tour two days later.  He's been gone for seven months.  He wants out.  He is gung-ho no more.  He has learned traumatic lessons about the limits of military power.  And he just wants to come home and start his new life with his wife.

    Stategy seemed to be let's send more (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:57:55 AM EST
    troops but not the equipment they need to be safe.  After US being in Afghanistan since 2003.  Not a surprise IED roadside bombs have increased and resultant death toll.

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    You're mistaken. (none / 0) (#71)
    by ChiTownDenny on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04:59:25 PM EST
    For a good piece of fiction, with a tinge of fact, I recommend you rent "Charlie Wilson's War".  The moral; "give me a fish and I eat for a day, teach me to fish and I eat forever".
    Once again, we have a democratically elected Democrat Commander in Chief that, in addition to everything else on his plate, has to publicly address the potential insubordination of a general?  Once again?  
    Obama has stated he will make a decision about the conduct of affairs in Afghanistan once he has determined the best way to achieve the goals he has signed onto.  
    BTD is 100% right on this.  

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    If he feels (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:20:14 AM EST
    the current strategy is harming troops, and his strategy isn't accepted, then the only honorable thing to do is resign.

    Sometimes honor is more important than being "a good soldier".  The Nazis were good soldiers.

    Godwin (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:25:48 AM EST
    Nazis followed order against the laws of war and humanity.

    No one is asking that of anyone here.

    Silly comment.

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    Heh you know little of ww2 hostory (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Wile ECoyote on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:34:36 AM EST
    the National Socialists were the pols in Germany.  the vast, vast, vast majority of the german army was not national socialist.

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    Under the UCMJ (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:00:47 PM EST
    one should not follow an "illegal" order.  

    Any order such as those given by Heinrich Muller, the head of the Gestapo, or Himmler, the head of the S.S., would be clearly illegal.

    There is a difference between following illegal orders which constitute Crimes Against Humanity (killing your own people) and War Crimes (killing the people of other countries) under the Nuremberg principles, and disagreements over military strategy.

       

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    Being a Marine (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by AlkalineDave on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:53:26 AM EST
    I very much advocate following lawful orders.  I don't think General McChrystal should make any veiled threats.  However, I do think if he feels that a course sought in Afghanistan is detrimental to U.S. interests and lives, then he has ever reason to resign - the same as every General who disagreed with Iraq should have.  Being a Marine, soldier, sailor, or what have you doesn't resign you from the moral obligation in carrying out orders.

    If he feels that way (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16:10 PM EST
    then he should be removed now.

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    I think (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by AlkalineDave on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:22:08 PM EST
    if he feels that way, he should keep it to himself.  It's not up to a General to strongarm the SecDef and President.  I am only saying if he feels strongly to resign he should.  It shouldn't be used for bargaining power though.  I really can't see him strongarming Petraeus or Gates though.

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    Keep it to himself (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:24:20 PM EST
    I could accept that position.

    It is the attempt to pressure through resignation threats that I find unacceptable.

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    very unacceptable (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by AlkalineDave on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:30:08 PM EST
    basically insubordination.  I just can't see something like that flying with General Petraeus or Secretary Gates.    

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    There were not enough resignations in 2002/2003 (1.50 / 2) (#35)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:28:56 PM EST
    I thought the complaint during 2003/2003 was that all these generals, who came up through the ranks during Vietnam and had vowed never to let that happen again, let it happen again, and didn't resign.

    After the fact, they went on CNN and spoke to all the misgivings they had in 2002/2003.  But they didn't resign and should have.

    Teressa and Dave are right, it may be the case that McChrystal should not be threatening resignation, but if he feels that he can't in good faith keep America and his troops safe by placing another plan into effect, then he needs to resign.  And honorably so.

    There are way too many generals who go along to get along.

    You make up (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:47:32 PM EST
    false statements.

    Please stop doing that.

    No one, absolutely no one, argued for resignations.

    We argued for a change in policy.

    Please stop with the falsehoods.

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    Huh? You argued he should be fired (none / 0) (#40)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:57:09 PM EST
    I argued that he shouldn't threaten resignation, but that if as a general he couldn't support a policy, he should resign, just as many of us wish that our generals that disagreed with Iraq would have resigned in 2002 and 2003.

    I have no idea why you would rate that a one or berate me for making falsehoods.  What falsehood did I make?

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    Your falsehoods about "the complaints" (none / 0) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:06:50 PM EST
    in 2002-2003 were what I was referencing which was obvious to anyone who read my comment.

    Stop the BS.

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    You're very quick to call people liars (none / 0) (#47)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:29:19 PM EST
    The complaint in 2006 and 2007 was that there were not more resignations and retirements in 2002 and 2003:

    six retired generals clamor for rumsfeld's resignation

    Knowing when to salute

    I can't tell if your problem with what I wrote is that I wrote the complaints were in 2002/2003 instead of 2006/2007, whether you think that leftosphere bloggers weren't asking for more resignations and retirements, whether you are making a distinction between resignation and retirement, or whether you have no actual problem with what I wrote, but just a personal problem with me.

    All I know is there was no reason for you to just dismiss it by repeatedly calling me a liar.

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    your links prove you were (none / 0) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:33:46 PM EST
    stating falsehood sin your first comment.

    Consider the first link - as call by RETIRED generals that Rumsfeld resign.

    Consider your changing of the time frame - to 2006-2007.

    consider that you have NOTHING from anyone on the Left complaining about Generals not resigning in 2002, 2003 or on any date.

    You were quick to spout a falsehood.

    I was quick to call you on your falsehood.

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    From the left (none / 0) (#51)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:44:13 PM EST
    Wesley Clark

    Think Progress

    Daily Kos

    So you are calling me a liar because I didn't understand the difference between retirement and resignation, and because I said the complaints were in 2002/2003 when the complaints were in 2006/2007/.../2009 regarding events in 2002/2003.

    You're too much.  I think what you've shown in your haste to call me a liar is that you have a personal problem with me.

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    Calling on Rumsfeld to resign for incompetence (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:49:17 PM EST
    Is not the same thing as calling for military officers to resign because they disagree with policy.

    If that simple truth is too much for you to understand, I have no idea what more to say to you.

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    the question remains unanswered (none / 0) (#1)
    by Turkana on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:34:40 AM EST
    how does this end?

    You want to argue the strategy (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:37:52 AM EST
    And I am certainly willing to defend McChrystal's assessments and strategy recommendations.

    But this post is about something else - that a military officer does NOT threaten resignation if his views are not accepted.

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    i agree with that part (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Turkana on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:47:20 AM EST
    but you also mentioned strategy. i don't see that there is one. i haven't seen anyone articulate an end game.

    as for mcchrystal trying to force his opinion on the president- truman/macarthur. i agree with you completely, on that.

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    I saw (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:49:30 AM EST
    a bit of Hillary on PBS making more sense than I have seen anywhere else on this subject.  I will look for the clip.


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    from what i've read (none / 0) (#14)
    by Turkana on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:52:01 AM EST
    biden's actually the one making sense. according to one report, he's the one saying more troops is a bad idea. hillary's supposedly on board with more troops. i'm not.

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    yes (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59:00 AM EST
    she did seem to be on board.

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    this (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:02:24 AM EST
    In that interview, Hillary stayed completely (none / 0) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16:27 PM EST
    on message that the Obama administration was not going to rush to judgement on whether or not to commit additional troops. If she is onboard with sending additional troops, that position was not reflected in the PBS interview.

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    Her PBS interview gives me hope (none / 0) (#41)
    by brodie on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:57:33 PM EST
    that previously published speculation about her alleged hawkish Afghan War views (alluded to by turkana above) might have been overstated.  Though I doubt she is in the Kucinich camp on this one.

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    Agree (none / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:09:36 PM EST
    I, too, doubt that she is in the Kucinich camp on this one.

    My point was that in the PBS interview she never once stated her own opinion on Afghanistan. She stuck firmly to the administration's current position regardless of the question. Which BTW is her job. Whether you love her or hate her, after watching that interview you have to admit that she is a very disciplined politician.

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    actually I did not (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:50:10 PM EST
    mean to say she personally was for the policy.
    I meant to say she was "on board" which from her comments she seemed to be.  at least to me.


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    Confused? (none / 0) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:03:07 PM EST
    What is your definition of "on board?"

    The only thing IMO in that interview she indicated  that she was "on board" for was Obama's stated policy.

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    exactly (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:12:23 PM EST
    Obama's statement on Afghanistan (none / 0) (#46)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:18:25 PM EST
    makes sense.  We need to make sure Al Qaeda is not a threat to us.  If that means military action against the Taliban, then so be it.

    But the goal should not be constructing a functioning democracy in Afghanistan.  Yes, we can help in that regard.  Yes, that might help to prevent al Qaeda from reconstituting in Afghanistan.  But the key is eliminating Al Qaeda as a military threat.  There may be more than one way to do that.

    I thought Obama's plan was right and Biden's wrong for Afghanistan.  However, we need to be willing to reassess.

    BTD is absolutley right about any insubordination or attempted blackmail by any general.

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    I understand this was a leak (none / 0) (#3)
    by Saul on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:37:46 AM EST
    They say that Woodward got this information from someone on how McChrystal feels and wants for Afghanistan.  I question why McChrystal is so sure that if he gets more troops that he will win the war there.  More troops might help but you would have to be there forever just like Korea to make any difference.

    IMO you can't win in Afganistan.  As long as Pakistan or that immediate area provides a sanctuary for the Taliban you will never win there.

    He graduated from West Point in 1976. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:41:10 AM EST
    Probably heavy emphasis on how, if only LBJ had sent more forces to Vietnam and stayed the course, we woulda won.

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    You actually raise a good question, (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by brodie on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:51:48 PM EST
    for me anyway, as to whether immediately post-VN (or even today) there is some hawkish Pentagon party line that is taught about VN at West Point, or whether it's a matter left entirely up to the instructor (probably).

    In any case, the Pentagon despite all its faults is capable from time to time of generating its own honest studies of a war situation, some of which might actually run counter to a field commander's views or those of the commander-in-chief.  In the pre-escalation VN context, the JCS produced formal studies from 2 separate major war games in 1964, both of which concluded that massive US bombing of NVN would be counter-productive and only lead to enhanced VC strength in the south.  Both studies were of course ignored by Johnson and his NS advisor Bundy.

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    More likely an emphasis (none / 0) (#25)
    by Wile ECoyote on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:32:13 AM EST
    on how pols setting the rules of engagement and how politically correct war fighting does not work.

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    Seems to me (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:38:13 AM EST
    that the hawks just have a way of believing that their brand of political correctness is the way to win wars.

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    See Greenwald on foreign policy (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:49:04 AM EST
    council et al.  

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    That, and a lot of dope smoking (none / 0) (#27)
    by scribe on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:36:45 AM EST
    off in the corners of The Plain.  

    One of those embarrassing little things the graduates of Hudson High do not like to admit to.

    This was, of course, before urinalysis was done in the military.

    And post-60s insubordination, too.

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    Minor point probably, but (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by brodie on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:31:23 PM EST
    I don't think McC put it quite this way

    if he gets more troops that he will win the war there.

    From what I've read, McChrystal is saying that only with more troops will we avoid mission failure.  Guaranteeing victory with more troops -- that's something most top military commanders usually avoid, probably since MacArthur's wild overpromising of quick victory in Korea if he just had a little more of this and that along with an official green light to take the battle into NK.

    Westmoreland, iirc, never told his superiors in Washington that with just one more substantial troop increase we'd win the war in Nam.  Instead, at least in the crucial early stages of escalation in 1965, when he was asked point blank by the Chairman of the JCS whether an additional huge number of men (doubling the total troops) would guarantee a defeat of the enemy, CYA Westy replied directly that it would not.  

    Instead, he gave an answer eerily similar to McChrystal -- we need more troops to avoid losing the war.  Pretty effective answer still -- since he knew that Lyndon was obsessed with not being the first president to lose a war.

    Obama, however, thankfully, has yet to show he's in LBJ's league in his stubborn obsession with not losing.

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    Not at all a minor point (none / 0) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 03:25:03 PM EST
    IMHO.

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    spoiled (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:41:40 AM EST
    by Bush.

    Well (none / 0) (#10)
    by DancingOpossum on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10:44:28 AM EST
    Agreed -- this is like throwing a temper tantrum. "I'll hold my breath and turn blue unless you do what I say..." not the behavior one expects from a "leader."

    Still, my sympathies are with McChrystal. After all, he needs more troops bringin' democracy and stuff, like this:

    On September 7 the Swedish aid agency Swedish Committee for Afghanistan reported that the previous week US soldiers raided one of its hospitals. According to the director of the aid agency, Anders Fange, troops stormed through both the men's and women's wards, where they frantically searched for wounded Taliban fighters...

       Fange said that US troops broke down doors and tied up visitors and hospital staff.

    http://www.truthout.org/091709R

    Whose temper tantrum? (none / 0) (#70)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 03:27:46 PM EST
    What I read was that some anonymous people think that McC might think X, Y or Z.

    Is it at all possible to remain connected with reality here and not just go making things up to suit our fantasies?

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    from republico (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:00:16 AM EST
    Who leaked and why?

    So who did it?

    The simplest theory -- and one most administration officials Monday were endorsing -- is that a military or civilian Pentagon official who supports McChrystal's policy put it out in an attempt to pressure Obama to follow McChrystal's suggestion and increase troop levels in Afghanistan.

    But not everyone in Washington is a believer in Occam's razor, so all manner of other theories flourished.

    There are believers in the reverse leak, in which the leak itself is meant to damage McChrystal's position by inducing White House anger at the general. There's the fake leak, in which the White House may have been trying to back itself into a corner. A former government official with ties to the Pentagon said the talk in the building was that a senior military official had given it to the reporter for his book on the Obama White House -- not realizing it could end up in print sooner.



    yeah, there are infinite possibilities (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 11:12:39 AM EST
    based on the way it was stated.

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    This is (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:16:01 PM EST
    a play we've seen before. Where's Military Tracy on this? She has said that the McChrystal pick was a huge mistake. I think he's trying this because he knows he can get away with it. McChrystal knows he's dealing with a wimp for a Prez and is using it to his advantage IMO.

    Knowing when to Salute (none / 0) (#49)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:38:24 PM EST
    Here's a War College paper describing McChrystal's (not Obama's) choices:

    Knowing when to salute

    In reality, the choice is moot. For general officers, resigning involves forfeiting everything important to a soldier--rank, military benefits, retired pay, and most importantly, membership in the profession. Resigning is such a drastic action that it has been over 40 years since a general officer resigned from the Army (and he later requested reinstatement). Retirement, on the other hand, is inevitable and ubiquitous in the senior ranks. Anyone serving at least 20 years eventually retires.  

    As a result, when confronted with flawed policy formulation, there is a tendency to view civilian control over the military as three very simple options: (1) silently execute the policy, (2) resign--which has not happened in recent history, or (3) retire--which everyone does eventually anyway. The romanticized notion of falling on your sword is replaced by the harsh reality that old soldiers don't die; they really do just fade away (although some may hope to reappear in retired status as "talking heads"). If resignation is not a viable option, except perhaps in the most extraordinary circumstances, and simple retirement is relatively ineffectual, what can senior officers do to ensure they provide their best military advice effectively?

    The last line is ridiculous (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:43:11 PM EST
    "What can senior officers do to ensure they provide their best military advice effectively?"

    They give the advice and then wait for their orders.

    Having your superior ACCEPT your advice is not the measure for giving your advice "effectively."

    Just absurd.

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    I am sure it is absurd. (none / 0) (#53)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:49:36 PM EST
    Here are the authors of this absurdity:

    Leonard Wong is a Research Professor of Military Strategy (Human and Organizational Dimensions). He served in the Army for over 20 years including teaching leadership at West Point, serving as an analyst in the Office of the Chief of Staff of the Army, and also in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel. He is a Professional Engineer and holds a B.S. from the U.S. Military Academy and an M.S. and Ph.D. in Business Administration from Texas Tech University.

    Douglas C. Lovelace, Jr., became the Director of the Strategic Studies Institute in May 2000. He held the Douglas MacArthur Professor of Research Chair at the U.S. Army War College. His Army career included a combat tour in Vietnam and a number of command and staff assignments. While serving in the Plans, Concepts and Assessments Division and the Conventional War Plans Division of the Joint Staff, he collaborated in the development of documents such as the National Military Strategy, the Joint Strategic Capabilities Plan, the Joint Military Net Assessment, national security directives, and presidential decision directives. He also was Director of Military Requirements and Capabilities Management at the U.S. Army War College. He is a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and the National War College. He holds an MBA from Embry Riddle Aeronautical University and a J.D. from Widener University School of Law. He is a member of the Pennsylvania and New Jersey bars. He has published extensively in the areas of national security and military strategy formulation, future military requirements and strategic planning.

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    Have a good day, I have to go to work n/t (none / 0) (#54)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:50:09 PM EST
    don;t let the door . . (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:50:45 PM EST
    Credentialism (none / 0) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:50:29 PM EST
    is no replacement for an argument.

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    You made their credentials relevant when (none / 0) (#60)
    by jerry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:59:55 PM EST
    you wrote: "In my mind, that is NOT what good soldiers do. Good soldiers follow legal orders issued to them."

    So who cares what's in your mind?  That's not a replacement for an argument....  If what's in your mind is relevant, than their credentials are relevant in clarifying what's in their mind and how that formed.  You ignore their credentials, but perhaps you can explain to us why your opinion on what good soldiers should do in this circumstance bares any weight whatsoever.

    It's funny though, I've seen you make the credentials argument before, and it's usually when faced with authorities in science or other matters that you disagree with.

    Regarding your calling me a liar, regarding your response to letting you know I need to leave to work, you really are a gratuitously nasty sob.

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    I thought you were going to work? (none / 0) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:02:07 PM EST
    Their credentials are not related to the MERITS of the argument forwarded.

    They do not say because I am from the war college my argument is correct. that is YOU making that argument.

    Silly man.

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    And don't worry (none / 0) (#59)
    by DancingOpossum on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01:56:56 PM EST
    Iran will be next. Get ready for the Great War on Terra, Part III, coming soon!

    If Digby is right, McChrystal's boss (none / 0) (#64)
    by oldpro on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:26:02 PM EST
    will  be the next Republican nominee for President.  Let's factor that into the drama of the moment and keep in mind that all the world's a stage.

    Act I, Scene 1.

    "he has it right on the strategy" (none / 0) (#65)
    by Andreas on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02:47:06 PM EST
    BTD wrote:
    I think he has it right on the strategy

    BTD has for a long time been a supporter of the imperialist war against the people in Afghanistan--and by this helped to make Talkleft a voice of US imperialism. It therefore is no surprise that he supports McChrystal's new "strategy".

    For a completely opposite view on McChrystal read the article published by the WSWS today:

    Media reports on McChrystal's proposed change in strategy invariably refer to a supposed shift from hunting down "insurgents" to "protecting" the Afghan population. This innocuous rhetoric disguises the real content of the proposal, which is the prosecution of a far more aggressive counterinsurgency campaign that would send American troops into hostile population centers, like Kandahar City, to systematically suppress and intimidate popular opposition to US aims.

    The US commander repeatedly criticizes what he describes as a preoccupation on the part of US and NATO commanders with "force protection" and calls for the occupation troops to operate with "less armor and less distance from the population."

    McChrystal acknowledges that the result will be a further escalation in bloodshed. "It is realistic to expect that Afghan and coalition casualties will increase," he writes.

    Given McChrystal's background as the former chief of the US military's Joint Special Operations Command--tasked with hunting down and assassinating individuals deemed terrorists by the US government--the increasing use of similar methods in Afghanistan can be anticipated. This would likely involve death squads composed of Afghan security forces and US "advisors" killing suspected opponents of the occupation and intimidating the rest of the population.

    The general's report also includes a section on the detention of "insurgents," which stresses that this should be an "Afghan-run system" that would guarantee US forces "access to detainees for interrogation." No doubt, McChrystal is incorporating lessons learned in Iraq, when the unit he commanded became notorious for the torture of detainees at the prison facility it operated. Giving Afghan security forces formal responsibility for the detention system provides the US military with a buffer against similar torture charges.

    US commander pushes for rapid escalation of Afghanistan war
    By Bill Van Auken, 22 September 2009

    The only way to quit McChrystal Meth (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ben Masel on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 03:25:05 PM EST
    is cold turkey.

    sorry but according to your quote, he did not make (none / 0) (#68)
    by nycvoter on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 03:26:03 PM EST
    any threat to resign, so on what grounds would you remove?

    that's where (none / 0) (#69)
    by CST on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 03:27:44 PM EST
    the "If" comes in.  If he does in fact threaten to resign, then he should be removed.  If not, then not.

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