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    happy birthday (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    H.G. Wells


    and Stephen King... (none / 0) (#24)
    by desertswine on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:21:55 PM EST
    As a child, King apparently witnessed a gruesome accident -- one of his friends was struck and killed by a train. Some commentators have suggested this event may have inspired King's dark, disturbing creations, but King himself dismisses the idea, noting that he has no memory of the event: his family told him that after leaving home to play with the boy, King returned, speechless and seemingly in shock. Only later did the family learn of the friend's death.


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    The Body/Stand By Me (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:47:50 PM EST
    The body the boys venture to find in that story/movie was of a boy killed when he was hit by a train.

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    wow (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:24:47 PM EST
    I never heard that.  and thats surprising because I am a huge King fan and read him and about him voraciously.
    but I think it makes perfect sense.  think about Stand by Me.

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    I was thinking of Stand By Me also. (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:56:02 PM EST
    Forgot John Cusack and Kiefer Sutherland were in that flick.  Must see again.

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    oh (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:28:03 PM EST
    and not surprising he dismisses the idea.  clearly he has many issues he has not dealt with.  which is why he is such an amazing storyteller.

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    Dudes and Dudettes... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:13:45 PM EST
    pour yourself a caucasian and put on your bowling shoes...Lebowski Fest comes to NYC tomorrow.

    heh (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:15:17 PM EST
    One of the days in NYC is at Lucky Strike. I was not impressed with the place when I visited.

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    Is there such a thing... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:17:33 PM EST
    as an impressive bowling alley?...lol

    Not being much of a bowler, I'm probably just gonna go to the screening and see the bands.

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    Well, that's the point (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:24:14 PM EST
    bowling is supposed to be trashy, and this place sells expensive whiskey.

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    Gotcha... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:52:40 PM EST
    I'm not familar with the joint, all the more reason to skip it...bowling alleys shouldn't shoot for high-class, its an oxymoron, cheap drinks and stale smells only:)

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    We're getting "upscale" bowling (none / 0) (#10)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:27:30 PM EST
    courtesy of Baltimore Raven Ray Lewis:

    Baltimore Raven Ray Lewis has broken ground on a 63,000 square foot family entertainment center.  It is being built at the Hunt Valley Towne Center and should open early next year.

    The venue will feature 38 upscale bowling lanes, restaurants, a sports bar, live radio broadcasts, private event rooms and golf simulators.  Lewis will also exhibit some of his private collectibles at the facility.

    Should be interesting...


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    If nothing else, it will give him a place (none / 0) (#12)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:33:52 PM EST
    to hang out and work once he retires.

    FWIW, back a full 50 years ago, Yogi Berra and Phil Rizzuto, Yankee teammates, opened the Berra-Rizzuto Bowl, a 40 lane bowling emporium in Clifton NJ.  Did pretty well for a good long time, too.

    An old SI article on Yogi at his lanes.

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    Maybe not impressive (none / 0) (#9)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:26:23 PM EST
    but the Ball Park Lanes on River Ave in the Bronx, across the street from the RF bleacher entrances to the Old Yankee Stadium, always had a special charm - right down to the "Official Beer of Bowling" ad (the brands would change periodically) painted on the brick wall.  And The Dank - it had The Dank in spades, being under the elevated tracks of the 4 train.

    But, most important of all, in the post 9/11 world when no bags at all were allowed in the Stadium, you could check your bags there (for a nominal service charge) rather than throw them out.

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    The Dank... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:06:19 PM EST
    a sign of a quality bowling alley...two coats of dank.

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    Gotta have The Dank. (none / 0) (#40)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:25:40 PM EST
    That, and the stale, spilled beer background smell.

    Those are what make a bowling alley a bowling alley.

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    Don't forget... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:28:38 PM EST
    smoke-stained ceilings and walls, reminders of a more sin-friendly era!

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    it was in Boston (none / 0) (#6)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:22:06 PM EST
    this sunday, I had plans to go but... football/hangover/football hangover got in the way.

    Probably for the best, I make Obama look like a good bowler.

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    We've got that in common... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:23:38 PM EST
    I'm doing cartwheels if I break 100.

    How did the Ramadan celebration go...escape unengaged?...:)

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    It was great actually (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:35:09 PM EST
    I escaped unengaged, the food was awesome, and the convo was very secular.

    Telling stories about childhood shenanigans is something everyone can relate to.  Plus anything that gets my sister out of her new-found shell is a good thing in my book.

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    The highlight of any family... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:48:56 PM EST
    get-together is revisiting past shenanigans...the sh*t that only comes out years after the fact!

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    yup (none / 0) (#17)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:04:24 PM EST
    and the eldest (married one) is usually the one who does the worst stuff.  Or at least organized it all.

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    Sh*t... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:11:54 PM EST
    as I find out more and more with every passing year, sometimes to my great discomfort, my parents pulled more stunts than anybody.

    Stuff to make me look like a choir boy:)

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    FYI (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:28:20 PM EST
    Better Rapture for today (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:21:09 PM EST
    in my kitchen! Got several types of apple stuff in the making! Smells like Heaven!

    Finishing up the spiced apple/cranberry sauce, then comes the vanilla caramel chunky apple filling for crumbles. And I think I'll do a straight up Vanilla applesauce. And I'll still have apples left for eating or roasting with chicken/pork!

    Who needs salvation when you have apples?

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    thats what I call (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:22:43 PM EST
    rapture

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    What kind of apples? (none / 0) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:21:56 PM EST
    I'm still yearning for the old-fashioned Winesaps I once had but haven't been able to find since.

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    I remember those (none / 0) (#67)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:24:56 PM EST
    I've been pretty happy with the Gala apples I've gotten this season.

    One tip I learned last year that's really held true is that apples should be refrigerated until you use them. Like eggs, they deteriorate much faster at room temperature.

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    Absolutely true (none / 0) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:46:41 PM EST
    Also some varieties are better "keepers" than others.  My favorite pie apple, Gravensteins, don't last more than a couple weeks even in the fridge.

    One of my great thrills about moving to Vermont is being able to make pie (and applesauce, etc.) from the apple tree on my own property.  They're MacIntosh, so I've had to fiddle with the technique a bit to avoid having them distintegrate into mush in the pie, but man, do they make a great-tasting pie!  This is an old-fashioned MacIntosh variety with much, much more flavor than the widely distributed commercial ones.

    I'll try the Galas sometime, though I confess to being a bit prejudiced against modern varieties.  I like the old ones-- Jonathan, Northern Spy, etc.

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    If I lived near an apple farm, I could get (none / 0) (#72)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:59:05 PM EST
    the old varieties. But whenever I see them in the city, they tend to have already gone soft. And there's nothing worse than a mealy apple!

    Of the modern varieties, I've really taken to fuji and pink lady.

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    Cox's Orange Pippins, Honey Crisp, Gala (none / 0) (#76)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:15:32 PM EST
    Whitney and Chestnut crab apples, and Swiss Gourmet. Oh, and Pink Pearls also. Can't wait to see what we get this week {grin} I also have a bunch of Seckal pears to do things with.

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    Good Gawd....are you alright? (none / 0) (#19)
    by oldpro on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:09:22 PM EST
    not experienced (none / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:15:37 PM EST
    any floating upwards yet.  how about you?

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    I sort of hope (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:19:07 PM EST
    I am "left behind" just so I can watch the amazed expressions of all the Left Behind readers when they realize it is in fact they who are left behind.

    boy are they gonna be pi$$ed

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    Nah, The leftbehinders (none / 0) (#26)
    by oldpro on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:23:19 PM EST
    get all your stuff.

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    they wont like (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:25:30 PM EST
    a lot of my stuff.

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    LOL. Care to specify? (none / 0) (#29)
    by oldpro on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:26:59 PM EST
    Maybe they can sell it!

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    um, no (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:28:33 PM EST
    Most of my stuff is (none / 0) (#39)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:24:08 PM EST
    as the realtor calls it "functional and functionally obsolete".

    In other words, if it didn't still work, it would not be worth fixing.

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    a bunch of beautiful (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:30:22 PM EST
    Thanks Cappy, (none / 0) (#64)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 08:39:48 PM EST
    I enjoyed those.

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    Pelosi stands firm (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:37:14 PM EST
    on the public option:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said during a visit to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital today that a government-run insurance program must be in the final version of health-care reform, even as other Democratic leaders have suggested it could pass without the provision.

    "No bill can pass the House of Representatives without a public option in it," Pelosi said, after touring the hospital emergency room.



    Sen. Durbin explains (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    how you get a public option without getting a public option. You rename triggers or co-ops a "variation of the public option."

    Durbin said during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that he could get a filibuster-proof 60 votes for a public option "if there's a variation on the theme, perhaps," mentioning nonprofit cooperatives or the "triggered" public option as possible variations. link

    Clever, right.

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    Well here's the question (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:00:59 PM EST
    is it the public option while calling it something else, or something else while calling it the public option. Only the former is acceptable.

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    I didn't find Durbin's statement (none / 0) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:33:47 PM EST
    all that confusing. He is redefining the term public option to mean nonprofit cooperatives or the "triggered" public option.

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    I think this is the (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 06:00:12 PM EST
    Through the Looking Glass theory of meaning, as espoused by Humpty Dumpty:

    "I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.

    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"

    "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean different things."

    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

    Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.

    "They've a temper, some of them - particularly verbs, they're the proudest - adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs - however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

    Humpty-Dumpty, indeed.


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    The Humpty Dumpty (none / 0) (#61)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 06:14:34 PM EST
    theory of meaning goes well with the Humpty Dumpty Baucus bill (all the kings horses etc.).

    More wonderful provisions in the bill:

    The Baucus legislation also imposes a penalty on single-parenthood. If you live alone with one child, you will be asked to shell out 80 percent more than a childless adult.

    ....80 percent is a steep surcharge for single-parenthood - especially since a couple with children would pay only 50 percent more than a childless couple.

    ....Single parents also tend to cling to the lower rungs of the income ladder. Many will qualify for at least a partial, if not a full subsidy. Who lays out the extra 80 percent? That's right - you and I. C&L



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    I think I'm about to (none / 0) (#68)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:33:06 PM EST
    throw up a little in my mouth.

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    Republican procedural objections (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 01:13:02 PM EST
    to moving on the temporary Senate appointment in MA are fading. I think MA will have a new Senator by next week.

    and hopefully (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:02:11 PM EST
    a new mayor in boston shortly there after.  Primary is tommorow.

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    Who do you think will win? (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:12:42 PM EST
    I haven't heard much about the Boston mayoral contest.

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    Probably Menino (none / 0) (#75)
    by CST on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 08:15:49 AM EST
    Although this is the first time I can remember him facing real competition.  To be honest, it is hard to tell right now since there are 3 other contenders who all kind of drown each other out and split the "outsider" vote.  After the primary when it is down to 2 (Menino and the non-Menino), I'll have a better idea of whether or not the other guy stands a chance.

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    Technology even a luddite can dig... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:38:58 PM EST
    anti-photo shields...we all could use one of these puppies in this day and age...hope they come out with a pocket version!

    That is definitely not... (none / 0) (#36)
    by desertswine on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:05:29 PM EST
    interesting story (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:47:23 PM EST
    but the best part is the drawing which was done by my friend and coworker Todd.

    he does a good bit of work for natgeo.


    What digby posted (none / 0) (#35)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 02:56:24 PM EST
    Ha! Maybe they weren't there (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:16:34 PM EST
    because they were hanging with homeboy John Edwards?

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    I suspect just about anything (none / 0) (#38)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:22:27 PM EST
    would be more fun than a convention of "values voters".

    Did you get a look at those folks - and not just when they figured out they were getting punked, but at the beginning of their interviews?  They looked about as happy as insurance adjusters - some of the most miserable people you'll ever meet.

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    oh comeon (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 03:56:59 PM EST
    wouldnt you like to spend the with a bunch of people who say things like this:

    All pornography is homosexual pornography because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards. Now think about that. And if you, if you tell an 11-year-old boy about that, do you think he's going to want to go out and get a copy of Playboy?
    Michael Schwartz, chief of staff for Senator Tom Coburn

    you know, I have read that quote a dozen times and it still makes no sense.

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    "Now think about that." (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:58:52 PM EST
    OK Mr. Schwartz...when I was an 11 year old Playboy sneak-peaker, you coulda told me that and I'd just be a more confused 11 year Playboy sneak-peaker who would suspect you for one of the people my parents warned me to run away from screaming ya freak.

    Question for Michael...even "Nailin' Palin"?

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    It makes sense (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:31:46 PM EST
    if you strongly suspect, as I do, that Schwartz is another in a long line of rw closet cases hysterically fixated on their secret obsession.


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    well (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:46:53 PM EST
    I am reminded of the great movie "a christmas story"
    when the kid says something like:

    "now, grownups love to say stuff like that but kids know its BS".

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    The movie with the pink bunny suit? (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:53:03 PM EST
    yep (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:54:32 PM EST
    I've been working on related product (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:59:58 PM EST
    for the past week :-P And more to come this week starting tonight. Too bad I never saw the movie! lol!~ I'm very familiar with the bunny suit though . . .

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    it plays a small (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:02:01 PM EST
    but hilarious part in the film.  which is one of my all time favorites.

    "my feet began to sweat as those sappy little bunnies stared up at me"

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    It works great on product :) (none / 0) (#57)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:10:15 PM EST
    I'm working on novelty home goods for x-mas 2010. Last year we did a stocking where the cuff was chest up of Ralphie in the bunny suit. Sample maker couldn't do it in time, so I got to test my skills by developing a pattern and making it reality. Oh, and deadline was about non-existent/already passed. I used pink poodle fur for the suit and had stray poodle fur all over the place, lol!~

    I love that quote! May have to incoprorate it!!! :)

    Ohhhhh . . . you just gave me a really good idea!!! Thanks!!!

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    Bath Time Photos Prompt Child Porn Allegations (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:52:28 PM EST
    For A.J. and Lisa Demaree, the photos they snapped of their young daughters were innocent and sweet.

    But after a photo developer at Wal-Mart thought otherwise, the Demarees found themselves in a yearlong battle to prove they were not child pornographers.

    "I don't' understand it at all," A.J. Demaree told "Good Morning America" Monday. "Ninety-nine percent of the families in America have these exact same photos."

    The eight photos in question were among a batch of 144 family photos the Demarees had taken to their local Wal-Mart. The developer alerted the police and the investigation into child pornography began in earnest, even though the parents maintained they were innocent bath time photos.


    link

    Can't even take pics of your kids these days . . . There are pics of me on the beach with just my bottoms on making sand castles. A very public beach (I was about 4). Guess I should be thankful it was different time and I wasn't taken away from my parents.

    Not new, unfortunately (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:34:39 PM EST
    I remember a similar big local hoo-hah about the exact same thing back in the '70s.

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    A google search comes up with plenty (none / 0) (#73)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12:50:46 AM EST
    The "bear skin rug" photos were adorable, but you're very right...the effort to discourage parents from the nekkid and the bathtub shots that are too revealing has been going on since the '70s.

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    Good god... (none / 0) (#56)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:07:46 PM EST
    I hope that poor couple bankrupts the lot of them...Wal-Mart, the police, the DA...the lot of them pervs.

    I really can't believe they took the kids away...thats beyond criminal.

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    Unreal, right?! (none / 0) (#58)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:18:19 PM EST
    Who the F%^& would not recognize those photos as common and a time honored tradition. When my niece has her lil' dude, you can bet yer a** we'll be taking bath pics, the required backside on the changing table, lil' dude taking first steps in a diaper, lil' dude running around naked (cause that's what they do!) for blackmail material when he's a bratty teen!

    I'm guessing the WalMart clerk leans a bit too far to the right, but everyone else involved?!

    Guess my niece shouldn't share her pics online (safely) for relatives and friends . . .  

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    The warning to parents on these photos (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 07:56:35 PM EST
    went out many years ago. The first I remember it was as a warning that the people who develop your film can't all be trusted. It was a protect your children warning. Then, a movie was made for TV about it and the children were taken away in the movie.

    We can be grateful for digital cameras that allow us our family freedoms for now.


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    Minor point (none / 0) (#62)
    by Fabian on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 07:02:44 PM EST
    or just another nail in the coffin?

    NPR is running a series on health care called:
    Are You Covered?

    It's a good series so far, definitely a more useful discussion of health care than 90% of the current blather.  I go to dkos and nyceve has a diary up based on Monday's episode in the series.  Only NPR isn't directly credited, to my surprise and confusion.  I click on the links and find the story on a web page that does credit "our partners at NPR".  Okay.  That's what I thought.  But why didn't nyceve link directly to the NPR page or credit them directly?  I know bloggers can get pretty cranky when the MSM lifts something of theirs without attribution.

    You see - nyceve is now a paid blogger.  I wasn't a fan of her diaries when she did it purely out of passion.  Her diaries were heavy with emotional rhetoric and light on the medical realities.  More than once the narrative was: OMG! Someone will DIE without this!  when the medical reality was likely that they would die with the whatever.  Once it was a liver transplant for a cancer patient, a very ill patient.  Liver transplants are hardly common and if yours has ceased to function, unless you have a donor ready now, you'll die in days, even if you are healthy.  (See acetaminophen overdose)  I didn't bother to point this out in the comments because I could tell people wanted to believe that a liver transplant would Save Her Life.

    nyceve's post was based on a good piece by NPR, for which she gave them no credit.  I hope her posts are effective in the fight for real health care reform, but I think I'm done reading them.  I like more honesty than she delivers.

    Paid by whom? (none / 0) (#70)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 11:41:33 PM EST
    In all fairness, NYCEve may not have realized it was an NPR series but found out about it from the page that only mentioned "our NPR partners."  Or perhaps NPR on the broadcasts you've heard is taking full credit for something the othe page's organization was the prime mover on.

    I don't know NYCEve from Adam, so this isn't meant as a defense, just that what you've described sounds so outrageous, I wonder if there isn't another explanation.

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    Oh, it's NPR all right. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Fabian on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04:40:16 AM EST
    I listen most every morning and their new series is a breath of fresh air in the current health care discussion.  NPR is the originator, the creator, the producer.

    Here at TalkLeft, posters like BTD will credit/link the original post with verbiage like "via Digby" or "hat tip to X".  I appreciate that.  It's both appropriate credit and information about a link.  

    My biggest gripe with nyceve is her sins of omission.  The girl who needed the liver transplant that her insurance company cruelly, cruelly refused her?  That same insurance company had approved her previous treatments for a serious blood cancer, including the last one, a bone marrow transplant.  BMTs are not only risky, but they are what you do when you run out of options.  A heavy dose of chemotherapy wipes out essentially all of your bone marrow.  You are given an injection of bone marrow or stem cells, which you hope take up residence in your bones, become bone marrow and start churning out healthy blood cells.  If the transplant doesn't take you will die - not from the cancer, but from the treatment.  If the transplant does take, you may suffer graft versus host disease, which can be mild to severe.  The severe form can destroy organs - heart, liver, brain.  

    Apparently something went wrong during the BMT and either the chemo or graft-versus-host destroyed her liver.   The insurance company that had approved a lot of expensive treatments drew the line at the liver transplant - and the crowd went wild at the callous cruelty of the evil insurance company.  riiiiiight.  

    nyceve's heart is in the right place, but she omits enough facts of the stories she writes that her stories are too often misleading and inaccurate.  

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