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Perspectives On BaucusCare And Political Bargaining

Matt Yglesias:

I’ve got a Daily Beast column noting that saving the public option wouldn’t resolve the biggest problem with Max Baucus’ health care plan—it just doesn’t offer enough financial help.

The problem with this analysis is not understanding the connection between the weak political bargaining on the pubic option urged by Yglesias and the weak political bargaining sure to follow on health care subsidies.

In other words, Yglesias demonstrates his sociopathic indifference on health care reform when he insists on better subsidies for health care. Why let the "better" be the enemy of the "not as better?" We can play this game right down to the end when all health care reform ends up being is mandates. How a smart person could not see this is beyond me.

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    HuffPo is reporting that the Obama speech (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:14:19 PM EST
    is making getting reforms passed harder.  The $900 million cap is cited as problematic.  Rangel says that the subsidies will have to be greatly reduced.

    I understand factoring political realities when making policy decisions, but this White House seems not to care a whit about what the realities are with respect to the challenges they face.  Why they didn't go for single payer - even as a bare minimum coverage program open to all - is well beyond me given their obsession with the politics of cost.

    I do not see this "pragmatism" that everyone says emanates from this White House.  I see rather weak political bargaining, but little actual pragmatism.

    His speech is like (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Left of the Left on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:17:43 PM EST
    this jobless recovery. Technically his numbers are better, but everyone else keeps sinking.

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    At this (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:28:09 PM EST
    point I dont think there's anything worth salvaging and it might as well get killed off. Like BTD above says, it looks like it's going to be little more than mandates.

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    Pelosi vowed not to pass (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by magster on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:36:19 PM EST
    Private Insurance Profit Perpetuation Act.

    That's kind of encouraging after her seeming cave-in language last week.  Maybe the progressives are holding together against Baucuscare?

    Good for the Speaker (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:40:05 PM EST
    Here's where I think we're going: we'll get a Co-op in name only that's really a public option.

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    Don't think so (none / 0) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 02:28:33 PM EST
    Here is what President Snowe is demanding now:

    The third Republican in the group, Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, is pushing another idea to make insurance readily available. She urged her colleagues to "allow private insurance companies to offer national plans, with uniform benefit packages that are offered across state lines." link


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    Gah (none / 0) (#1)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:13:08 PM EST
    this attitude is also embodied by the support Yglesias and Ezra Klein have been willing to give to virtually anything Obama would sign - "no matter what happens, this bill is going to help millions of people!"

    And Matt, how did we go from here to your new column anyway?

    At this point, my only hope for healthcare lies with my belief that President Obama is smart enough not to follow a Senator from Montana who no-one has heard of into a huge deathtrap for the Democratic Party.

    The details that he put forward in his (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:16:47 PM EST
    speech seemed to indicate to me that he was going to follow the Senator from Montana's lead.  Most of his outline was straight from the Senate Finance Committee's proposal - not the House proposal.

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    The purple west is Obama's happy place (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 01:18:55 PM EST
    He'll follow them anywhere, especially if they will replace the 'left of the left' in the deep blue states for him. He's a lot more comfortable in the purple.

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    You need to rethink your strategy, BTD. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 03:03:26 PM EST
    BTD: "In other words, Yglesias demonstrates his sociopathic indifference on health care reform when he insists on better subsidies for health care. ... We can play this game right down to the end when all health care reform ends up being is mandates. How a smart person could not see this is beyond me."

    WARNING: Constructive criticism and friendly advice ahead.

    "Sociopathic" is an awfully strong word, by which you run the risk of characterizing your differences of opinion with Matt Yglesias in somewhat inappropriate personal terms, thus inviting people to dismiss you as a crank.

    Rather, you are making a mistake in assuming that he is indeed, "a smart person", i.e., equating his insufferable pseudo-analytical smugness with some sense of innate intelligence on his part.

    And in that regard, you're merely engaging him on his own terms. You're not going to force him to change his tune with your sniper fire, because he'll just turn up his nose and politely ignore you, as those who consider themselves privileged D.C. wankers in the know are wont to do.

    If you keep focusing on what the intellectually incestuous circle-jerkers of The Village are saying, you're going to drive yourself beyond mere distraction into the realm of "Yahoo! I'm cuckoo for cocoa puffs!"

    Far better that you instead make your own case, counselor. Why don't you instead turn your back on these Beltway Bozos, and ignore their cackling for a few days? Bide your time, and compile your own measured thoughts about health care reform in a manner that will instead knock them clean out of their shoes and socks.

    Then, come back on your own terms and throw down the gauntlet. Given that the current parameters of the political debate preclude advocating for single-payer (well, for right now, anyway ...), you should state clearly, concisely and in some detail your argument for a public option and health insurance reform, and then keep re-stating it until those members of what the late, great Media Horse (MWO) called the "Cool Kids Club" finally feel compelled to respond to you, rather than perpetually vice versa.

    If you can do that, I'd gladly take that argument and walk it right onto their home turf, call them out for the politically voguing posers that they are, and repeatedly post links to your alternative case on their own blogs and websites - and I'm sure a few others here would be willing to do the same.

    As you've shown us ad nauseum of late, it's quite easy to turn the self-absorbed assertions of Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Charlie Cook, et al., back on them, and demonstrate that they're guilty of shallow thinking and superficial analysis.

    I have every confidence that should you pour your heart and soul into developing your own argument for health care reform, they'd be very hard-pressed to do the same to you, particularly if you were to make your case in the level-headed, calculating and eminently logical manner that I know you're capable of presenting.

    And that's how you'd become one of the go-to guys in this online debate, by boldly striding onto the opponents' field of play, confidently staking your claim to the moral and intellectual high ground on this issue, and then provocatively daring all comers to drive you from it.

    Nuf ced. Keep the faith, BTD. Aloha.

    It helps when you click links (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 03:11:28 PM EST
    Try reading the post again AND clicking the links.

    Some constructive criticism for you. Hope you take it the right way.

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    If that's your goal: (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    And that's how you'd become one of the go-to guys in this online debate, . . .


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