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    Think I'll head over to Camlann Medieval Village (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by addy on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 11:41:19 AM EST
    and watch someone slay a dragon.
    Well, two people in a funky dragon costume. Amusing nonetheless.

    Canadian Health Care = Medicare (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:54:30 PM EST
    Somebody on a previous thread was asking about Canadian Health Care. I find this LINK: Medicare (Canada) pretty informative:
    Medicare is the unofficial name for Canada's publicly funded universal health insurance system[1].

    Under the terms of the Canada Health Act, all "insured persons" (basically, legal residents of Canada, including permanent residents) are entitled to receive "insured services" without copayment [regardless of income]. Such services are defined as medically necessary services if provided in hospital, or by 'practitioners' (usually physicians).[2]

    ...approximately 99% of physician services, and 90% of hospital care, are paid by publicly funded sources, whereas almost all dental care is paid for privately.[3] Most doctors are self-employed private entities.

    No doubt, US health insurers have a vested interest in Wiki's current info on Canadian Health Care. Safe to say, they wouldn't be looking to emphasize the positive and, since anybody can edit Wiki entries, I'd be on the lookout for misleading information with a negative bent.

    I've lived and worked in 3 Canadian Provinces and received publicly funded health care, aka Medicare, in each. In my experience, Canadians have very high expectations of government-funded services and they are accordingly critical and vocal about demanding improvement to any real, or perceived, shortcomings in any area of government service.  

    I know there may be exceptions, but the Canadian view of American health care is reflected pretty well in Michael Moore's Sicko.

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    Do Canadians pay anything for (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    their Medicare, other than taxes?  Premium, co-pay?

    I learned from reading the Wiki article it took many tries to accomplish the Canadian system.  

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    Canadian Health Care is publicly funded (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:42:19 PM EST
    entirely through taxes - unless I've missed, or misunderstood, some arcane aspect of the system. I certainly know of no instance where there are "premiums or co-pays".

    The first few times I went to a doctor's office, or hospital, in Canada, I would always go up to the reception desk, after my visit, and ask "Is that all?". Meaning, "don't I owe you something...like here's $10...$5, no?". People found it amusing. Courtesy is always appreciated, but nobody really even expects you to check with reception to formally say "thank you so much for giving me my 'free' health care".

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    According to Edger, (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:57:16 PM EST
    (see link above to his diary) he pays $54 a month for single coverage. No co-pays, no deductibles and he is paid during his time off from work due to illness.

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    "Premiums" and Canadian Health Care (none / 0) (#18)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 02:11:03 PM EST
    (This is to clarify my previous comment #6.)

    I was thinking of "premium" fees as some sort of add-on cost, above and beyond what is paid for by taxes. However, I see via the link for health care in British Columbia, that the provincial tax for publicly funded health care is called a "Premium". I'll take it either way.

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    Edger has a diary here on TL (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:22:42 PM EST
    that would answer your questions. Link Well worth a read.

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    We have been trying since (none / 0) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:37:27 PM EST
    Truman was president. Maybe it is time to actually stop trying and actually do it.

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    I am incredibly disappointed in BTD (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by steviez314 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:21:31 PM EST
    for not mentioning the last 2 nights of pitching gems by the Yankees against the Roid Sox.

    So I will.

    Hitting ain't bad either (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 11:18:50 PM EST
    Back to back homers....

    SWEEP!!!

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    I see what you mean. I was glued to (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:29:45 PM EST
    the out of town scoreboard Friday night while watching Mets/Pads.  

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    Civil rights lawyers might like (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:38:43 PM EST
    this story today, front page of my paper, on one of the civil rights legal greats from my state, John Doar.  The story can only begin to convey how central he, as the Justice Dept's point man on site in the South, was to the movement in its leaders being able to move around at all, rather than stay in jail -- and in the freedom of so many others who were arrested, harassed, etc.  In looking at primary sources on the movement, his name really is ubiquitous.

    And then he got to be a lead counsel in the Watergate hearings, too -- as he is (or at least was:-) a Republican.  Quite a story, quite a guy.

    Durbin indicates the public option is dispensible (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by kempis on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:18:47 PM EST
    Not surprised (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:35:04 PM EST
    The only thing in the health insurance package that is indispensible is increasing the health insurance industry's profits.

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    When (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:49:12 PM EST
    Obama's in charge, everything is dispensable. All the people who were saying last year that he was absolute caver were 100% right.

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    there's no reason at all why capitulation (none / 0) (#17)
    by The Last Whimzy on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 02:07:48 PM EST
    can't be both urgent AND fierce, ya know.


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    Senators live in ivory towers (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 02:21:42 PM EST
    Even Durbin, apparently. Either that or he's as much of a mealy-mouth coward as Reid and I never knew it.

    My strategy for fighting the emerging "no-need-for-a-public-option" nonsense is to lobby my House rep, relentlessly, to vote NO on any bill that doesn't include a robust public option. I'm pretty sure of where my rep stands on the issue anyway (longtime advocate for single-payer).

    Flood your House rep's phone lines with protests over what the Senate is doing.

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    Dick Durbin is a senator of integrity, (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 03:38:52 PM EST
    so his comment, apparently, is to maintain commitment to some form of Democratic health reform while easing disappointment.  The situation only confirms, however, my belief that we might as well let the so called "public option" go. The public option was initially a sop to progressives chagrined by the absence of a Medicare for all, but holding out hope later.  It seems very likely that we will get an extended health program, but it will be Assurance of Private Insurance-for most, along with Medicaid, subsidies for insurance premiums at designated incomes, and, until now, possibly a "mini Medicare public option" to spur competition and check premiums.  But this version of the public option seems long gone anyway, having morphed into some political face-saver that is not linked to Medicare reimbursement rates and has circumscribed eligibility. A design for failure.   Moreover, that version has even gone over to an ill-defined co-op or unexplained exchange. Insurance portability, group rates for individuals,  no pre-existing conditions, no cancellations for, yes-sickness,  and restrictions on other common abuses are the gains to be expected.  If this is the case, efforts need to be put into robust standards and enforcement of these insurance rascals,  including consumer reviews and appeals. And, de-couple the extended health coverage from Medicare, at this time. Let those discussions follow and finance the program with general funds.

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    "Easing disappointment" (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:05:37 PM EST
    That's the understatement of the year. And anyway, it won't work. True, the so-called public option is a far cry from what's really needed -- single-payer -- but without a real public option, there is no "reform" in any of the proposed "Health Care Reform Bill(s)". The sop, as you phrase it, is all for the insurance companies, which will make out like bandits when the only "reform" left in the legislation is a mandate that those unable to afford insurance premiums now will have to buy in anyway, or be penalized. The private insurance model is the problem, not the solution.

    Durbin, and any other Congress critter who's backing away from real reform, needs to remember who he is working for.

    I'm done with being told I have to keep waiting for my health care. At least my congressional rep has real integrity on the issue. He's always pushed for affordable, universal health care and I doubt he will vote for any bill that does not include the means to get just that.

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    Just to clarify, (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:11:41 PM EST
    Medicare-for all (appropriately adapted, of course,  for younger age groups, including obstetrics, and inclusion of preventative care) is what we need, but my comment related to current directions and, specifically, to a, or any old, public option or bust.

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    The robust standards and enforcement (none / 0) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:58:42 PM EST
    of these insurance rascals will be just as robust as the public option. IOW, good probablity that they will not exist. The insurance industry is getting good returns on their contributions. A so called reform package written to meet their specifications. A trillion dollars more paid to the industry with nothing to impede them from continuing their current practice of charging more for less. Not a bad return on their investment.  

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    Public option is out, (none / 0) (#98)
    by BrassTacks on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 02:54:56 AM EST
    According the Washington Post.  The gang of 6, or whatever they're called, have agreed to expanding medicaid, more rules for insurance companies, but not a public option.  They were headed to the White House for a little sit down with the President.  I fear that this is all going to be much ado about not much.  Sigh................

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    Gingrich Stumping for Palin (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 02:23:59 PM EST
    "We know people who've said, routinely, you're gonna have to make decisions," Gingrich said. "Communal standards, historically, is a very dangerous concept."

    To which Stephanopoulos responded: "But that's not in the bill.

    "

    raw story

    Wonder who her running mate will be.

    Not Just Old Glory (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 03:46:08 PM EST
    But also the 'blue star service banner'.

    Not sure what she was holding in her hand though, looked like a PDA type cell phone....  Most likely waiting for a call from the newt the grinch.

    In any case we will be seeing more of her. The RW photo essay is really radical though, quite progressive in a way, imo.  

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    lol (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:57:12 PM EST
    Well I have not seen any group of highly organized Muslims or Communists sneaking through tunnels trying to disrupt Heath Care Reform town hall meetings?

    Have you?

    Nor have I seen any organized group of Muslims or Communists in Congress and elsewhere dead set to prove that Obama is not an American.

    Have you?

    Nor have I seen any signs of large numbers Muslims and Communists supported by mainstream media, FOX et al, forming anything like the Teabag movement.

    Have you?

     

    Comments with personal attacks (none / 0) (#91)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 10:33:53 PM EST
    have been deleted. Please everyone be civil.

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    Florida's idea of health care (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:11:47 PM EST
    for a woman with a dead fetus -- "fetal demise": Imprison her in a hospital and impose -- force -- medical procedures upon her.  Don't even let her transfer to another hospital closer to home and the live children that she already has.

    The ACLU is taking it to court:

    Tallahassee, FL - The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Florida today filed a friend-of-the-court brief opposing the state's decision to force a pregnant woman to remain hospitalized against her will.

    "Women do not give up their right to determine the course of their own medical care when they become pregnant," said Diana Kasdan, a staff attorney with the ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project. "Faced with similar cases, courts throughout the country have made clear that pregnant women have a right to make decisions about their own health, including refusing medical care."

    In March 2009, the Circuit Court of Leon County ordered Samantha Burton -- a mother of two suffering from pregnancy complications -- to be indefinitely confined to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital and forced to undergo any and all medical treatments deemed necessary to save her fetus. After three days of state-compelled hospitalization, Ms. Burton suffered fetal demise and was released from the hospital. . . .



    Well (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:32:53 PM EST
    Do you really care about Europe? Aren't they waaaay to socialist for you to give a hoot?

    Isn't your real concern about Muslims taking over America?

    Nope, but they are way to far to the Left on (2.00 / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:47:39 PM EST
    such things as freedom of speech....

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    Huh (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by cal1942 on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:09:52 PM EST
    to[o] far left on such things as freedom of speech

    Care to explain yourself PPJ?

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    Do you follow anything (2.00 / 0) (#115)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:35:39 PM EST
    that is happening in Europe?

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    Good, if the more they work (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:33:00 PM EST
    the more the rest of us can get back to work fulltime (without furloughs) or work at all.

    It would really rankle me even more, in this economy, to have to see Bush on his @#$%%!! ranch again.

    Well Obama is going to (2.00 / 0) (#113)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:32:35 PM EST
    Martha's Vineyard. Does that bother you?

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    Yes! (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CST on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:43:02 PM EST
    Traffic is gonna be terrible.  I think I am going down then too.  It's much nicer when no one is there.

    To your main point - there is a big difference between taking an occasional break and being on a constant vacation.

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    lol (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:50:12 PM EST
    good one!

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    heh (2.00 / 0) (#119)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:03:57 PM EST
    With today's technology the WH is wherever POTUS happens to be...

    We'd all be better off if Congress and the Prez took more time off to listen to the people and actually think about what they need to do.


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    lol (5.00 / 0) (#120)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:08:23 PM EST
    You mean like going to mingle with the people at Yellowstone and Grand Canyon?

    Keep your eyes out next weekend, though. The Obama's are headed out on the aforementioned long weekend. They're headed to, curiously, Yellowstone and Grand Canyon.

    Interesting choices.

    After all, there's simply no way they can clear out the places for the Obamas. The parks will be packed with people who have come from very long distances on long-planned family vacations at a national park.  Which presents a security challenge. But also the possibility that the President's very charismatic family will be engaged in the all-American summer vacation, not only like other families, but with other families (and a whole bunch of Europeans, as well). And maybe pitching health care along the way.

    emptywheel


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    For oculus (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 09:39:52 AM EST
    Robert Reich is also talking about the secret deal between the WH and Big Pharma - and he's not happy:

    But I also care about democracy, and the deal between Big Pharma and the White House frankly worries me. It's bad enough when industry lobbyists extract concessions from members of Congress, which happens all the time. But when an industry gets secret concessions out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry's support to a key piece of legislation, we're in big trouble. That's called extortion: An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it's doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the President.



    Secret Plan? (none / 0) (#111)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    Nothing secret about it, unless you know something that has not been revealed.

    I would go more with this statement:

    Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that's the case, our democracy is in terrible shape.

    When you have MSM (FOX et al) and the tremendous weight of the Insurance industry spending more than the $150 million big Pharma is spending to support Obama's plan, I think that our democracy is in terrible shape.

    The only reason Obama has not proposed a single payer plan, is because the insurance industry would not allow it. They are a more powerful influence than than any congress critter, or the WH.

    That is why we are only going to have slow incremental reform with Health Care in this country. At least it is certain that the insurance companies will no longer be able to deny coverage for pre existing problems, cancel people coverage, inflate rates at will while reaping record profits..

    This is going to be a slow battle, because Democracy in America is largely controlled by Money and the public or the government cannot compete with the funds that big industrial groups can spend to influence legislation.

    Reich is FOS on this issue.


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    Sometimes it's no fun being right (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 11:17:42 AM EST
    Most of TalkLeft predicted Obama supporters would quickly become disillusioned and disappointed with Obama.

    Well, it's coming to pass.  DKos, one of the virulent pro-Obama blogs during the campaign, has a diary currently at the top of its rec list all about Obama disappointment.

    It's called:

    Oh, my President. What are you doing?

    The diary runs through a litany of Obama's actions in support of the status quo, ending with his deal with Big Pharma.

    And the comments mostly agree.  

    A lot of us here predicted this.  But, honestly, I wish we'd been wrong.

    Obviously, none of this means that Obama's presidency is over.  Or that there aren't years to correct this.

    But it is a valuable object.  And one that it seems every generation has to learn for itself.

    A valuable object LESSON. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 11:21:17 AM EST
    What does that have to do with (2.00 / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:32:53 PM EST
    your failure to condemn the Left wing demonstrators in the video for burning a US soldier in effigy while attacking voters for yelling at a Town Hall meeting???????

    In other words (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Steve M on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:57:02 PM EST
    "how dare you change the subject from my non sequitur!"

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    Double standard (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:46:26 PM EST
    And as I have pointed out before, the medium is the message.

    People are yelling because they are frightened and feel locked out. See Tampa.

    And again, anti-war demonstrations good, anti-Obama health care planS bad.

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    More wonderful chamber music @ (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:12:04 PM EST
    Summerfest.  One piece includes a harmonium, which the Brits apparently introduced to India.  

    Although a friend opined the first (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:05:03 PM EST
    violinist, when wearing her glasses, looks like Sarah Palin.

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    Looking like Sarah Palin (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:21:57 PM EST
    isn't bad.  What's bad is being like Sarah Palin.

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    Plus this violinist is super-talented. (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:13:57 AM EST
    Don't know if she hunts.

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    LOL (none / 0) (#107)
    by cal1942 on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 11:48:13 AM EST
    sharp one oculus.

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    Manhattan DA Race (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 12:56:46 PM EST
    Anyone know about Leslie Crocker Snyder, Cy Vance, or Richard Aborn who are all running to replace Morganthau for Manhattan DA? They all seem to be mouthing the same lines..

    Here is some background

    See my new post (none / 0) (#97)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:08:05 AM EST
    I interviewed Richard Aborn for over an hour last week. Results here.

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    We're still paying Blackwater (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 01:31:23 PM EST
    millions of dollars, apparently:

    Just days before two former Blackwater employees alleged in sworn statements filed in federal court that the company's owner, Erik Prince, "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," the Obama administration extended a contract with Blackwater for more than $20 million for "security services" in Iraq, according to federal contract data obtained by The Nation. The State Department contract is scheduled to run through September 3. In May, the State Department announced it was not renewing Blackwater's Iraq contract, and the Iraqi government has refused to issue the company an operating license.

    "They are still there, but we are transitioning them out," a State Department official told The Nation. According to the State Department, the $20 million represents an increase on an aviation contract that predates the Obama administration.

    Despite its scandal-plagued track record, Blackwater (which has rebranded itself as Xe) continues to have a presence in Iraq, trains Afghan forces on US contracts and provides government-funded training for military and law enforcement inside the United States. The company is also actively bidding on other government contracts, including in Afghanistan, where the number of private contractors is swelling. According to federal contracting records reviewed by The Nation, since President Barack Obama took office in January the State Department has contracted with Blackwater for more than $174 million in "security services" alone in Iraq and Afghanistan and tens of millions more in "aviation services." Much of this money stems from existing contracts from the Bush era that have been continued by the Obama administration. While Obama certainly inherited a mess when it came to Blackwater's entrenchment in Iraq and Afghanistan, he has continued the widespread use of armed private contractors in both countries. Blackwater's role may be slowly shrinking, but its work is continuing through companies such as DynCorp and Triple Canopy.

    This is all after Blackwater's founder, Erik Prince, was implicated in murder, in sworn statements made by a former employee and an ex-US Marine who contracted with the company.

    The two men claim that the company's owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," and that Prince's companies "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life."

    In their testimony, both men also allege that Blackwater was smuggling weapons into Iraq. One of the men alleges that Prince turned a profit by transporting "illegal" or "unlawful" weapons into the country on Prince's private planes. They also charge that Prince and other Blackwater executives destroyed incriminating videos, emails and other documents and have intentionally deceived the US State Department and other federal agencies. The identities of the two individuals were sealed out of concerns for their safety



    Welcome FBI Investigation (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 02:20:13 PM EST
    Four years later, the FBI is following up on what appeared to many TL commenters the cold blooded murder of NOLA blacks trying to cross a bridge.

    Nearly four years after the police shootout that took the lives of Ronald Madison and James Brissette on New Orleans' Danziger Bridge, the FBI raided the offices of the police investigators who had been looking into the deadly incident.

    The bureau's move suggests that the federal government may be serious about seeing police officers prosecuted over the Sept. 4, 2005 shootout, when Madison and Brissette were allegedly killed by police while four others were wounded as they crossed a bridge in the midst of the Hurricane Katrina crisis.

    It also suggests the FBI may be worried that New Orleans police are trying -- or may in the future try -- to destroy evidence of what happened that day.

    raw story

    also

    According to New Orleans TV station WDSU, the "investigation had been years in the making and the probe into the police department is broader than the events that happened on the Danziger Bridge that left two dead and four wounded."

    Considering the horrible stories of people left to drown in jails, many of whom were awaiting trial, this is a welcome investigation.

    It's about time (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:25:33 PM EST
    but I'll take it.  I can see those days of watching New Orleans die, of watching New Orleanians die, as if they were yesterday.  But it has been years, and it's about time that somebody comes to justice.  

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    Does that mean (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:32:18 PM EST
    you are ready to punish the Governor and the Mayor for terminal stupidity??

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    If I could, I would (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:33:55 PM EST
    have them live on that bridge for days without water.  But I see a difference between stupidity and venality.

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    Uh (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:07:33 PM EST
    so OTOH it's hearting to see that women can play cowboy and perhaps be photographed chopping wood

    Not sure if you noticed much more than the flag. Palin is not playing cowboy or chopping wood.

    Defense Department Climate Instability (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:26:31 PM EST
    Well this should get some of those GOP deniers attention. The DOD has realized that Global Climate Change and the havoc it will wreak, is not just an issue for french speaking wind surfing girly men, it is no classified as a serious military issue.

    Global warming (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:40:54 PM EST
    also causes flat feet, bad breath, ingrowing toenails and the heart break of psoriasis.

    Simply put this is an attempt to claim that hurricanes, among other events, cause problems.

    Of course we know that GW doesn't cause an increase in hurricanes... Here, Bill Katz says it better:

    This is ridiculous.

    Climate and weather have always been considerations in military planning, as we wrote here when another version of this story surfaced weeks ago.  Weather is often the first item reported in a military briefing, especially an aviation briefing.

    ....

    Now, what is this really about?  This is what it's about:

    "This argument could prove a fulcrum for debate in the Senate next month when it takes up climate and energy legislation passed in June by the House.

    Lawmakers leading the debate before Congress are only now beginning to make the national security argument for approving the legislation."

    The term is cap 'n' trade.  You know, if you can't get the bill passed on its merits, and it doesn't have many merits, just make it a national-defense issue.  It's been done many times.

    I suspect it will fail this time.  Too obvious.

    Link to UrgentAgenda

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    Hold the presses! (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:10:29 PM EST
    You say:  
    Simply put this is an attempt to claim that hurricanes, among other events, cause problems.

    Well, duh.  You're going to dispute that hurricanes cause, uh, "problems"?

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    Of course. IALMF. (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:21:03 PM EST
    It's all the librul media's fault.

    How could I forget?

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    Read it in context or snark if you like (2.00 / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:48:57 PM EST
    but I think you got my point.

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    Glaciers can also melt when dust and dirt (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:38:39 PM EST
    retain heat from sun light....

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    Honduras Update (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 04:40:15 PM EST
    Another chapter in the ongoing pron novel Delay a Zelaya..  
    Efforts to return deposed Honduran President Manuel Zelaya to power hit a new roadblock Sunday when the country's de facto government canceled an upcoming visit by foreign envoys who're seeking to resolve the Central American nation's six-week-old political crisis.

    Honduras' interim government said it couldn't accept a delegation led by Jose Miguel Insulza, the secretary general of the Organization of American States, because of what it called his "lack of objectivity, impartiality and professionalism."

    Sunday's announcement was an about-face by de facto Honduran President Roberto Micheletti, who on Friday said he welcomed the envoys' visit.

    Well finally the US is getting super tough on the [non coup] coup government of Micheletti:

    A State Department spokesperson Sunday said the Obama administration remains committed to the restoration of democracy in Honduras.

    "We continue to believe a negotiated solution is the right way to go and the Arias Plan is a good one," the State Department said. "Both sides would be well advised to accept it."




    My new health care idea (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:28:40 PM EST
    Since the government is not going to enact a single payer plan anytime soon, how about some big group with some clout and organizational ability and expertise starting up a non-profit insurance company? I would love to switch to that, if only because it makes me more and more angry to pay premiums to people using my money to work against me.

    Anyone hear of such an organization?

    Massachusetts? (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:37:50 PM EST
    A co-op...ie. Group Health (none / 0) (#68)
    by oldpro on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:58:02 PM EST
    in Seattle.

    Course, you'd have to move to make it work properly.

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    Uh, it is an OPEN thread (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 05:30:21 PM EST
    lol

    an open thread is not (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:22:21 PM EST
    an invitation to troll and incite/provoke others with events of decades past. Please start fights elsewhere, this one's going down the rabbit hole.

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    Eggplant . . . (none / 0) (#62)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:08:02 PM EST
    Yup, I've got a lot!! So I'm making an eggplant meatball mixture and will cook up a few and freeze the rest of the mixture in 1lb lots. Next up is making 9x9 grilled eggplant lasagnas to freeze for later. Oh, and I need to make the tomato sauce also! Then I need to deal with 2 types of peaches and apricots. All ripe or almost ripe . . . Trying to get as much cooking done as possible before the normal August heat/humidity hits tomorrow.

    Good on the Mets for beating the Pads (sorry Oculus!) and here's hoping the Yanks can get 7 in a row and sweep those Sox! And OMG, preseason football?! OY. But I'm so there, lol!~

    I wish I liked eggplant... (none / 0) (#69)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 06:59:01 PM EST
    At one time I could not abide broccoli, but there came a time when I tried it - again - and loved it.  Guess I will keep trying, lol.

    You do so much wonderful cooking, I often imagine that when you leave your apartment, your neighbors are clogging the stairwell with their tongues hanging out, lol.

    Am not a particular fan of either the Bills or the Titans, but it will be nice to see football being played again.  Story lines for both teams, with everyone wondering how long it will be before TO becomes disgruntled, and with the Titans, it's the McNair murder.

    My daughter went out to Ravens' training camp last week, got a ton of autographs and had an absolute blast; we play the Redskins on Thursday night and she and her boyfriend will be in the stands...hope it's cooler and less humid than it is today, though.

    I treated my kitties to a spa day today, lol...actually just gave them a bath, which they were surprisingly good for.  Filled a really big plastic lug with warm water, and just plunked them in, one at a time.  For some reason, I think it was never the water itself that bothered them, but the noise of the tub filling.  It was so humid, though, that I couldn't figure out if I was wet from the bath, or just from sweating up a storm.  Probably both.

    Would welcome your suggestion for the best eggplant dish to eat for someone who isn't a fan...

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    Lovely Eggplant (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:29:22 PM EST
    Eggplant peporanata.

    Eggplant crostint with goat cheese..

    I always soak the eggplant slices in cold salty water before cooking, this removes the bitter flavor.

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    Or, as with wilted cucumbers (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:44:57 PM EST
    -- which are one of the highlights of summer fare -- you can avoid making the eggplant watery and having to drain it by: slice eggplant (or cukes) thin and layer in a pan, bowl, etc., liberally salting (I like kosher salt) each layer.  Let sit for two hours.  The result: bitterness is gone.

    Then, if cukes, soak in grandma's recipe of either vinegar and sugar or vinegar and sour cream (some like to add dill, too).  Let sit a couple of hours again on a summer afternoon while weeding the garden.  Come in, clean up, have cukes, feel more refreshed than even a gin and tonic can accomplish.

    But heck, have the gin and tonic, anyway.

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    Love, love, love cucumbers sliced (none / 0) (#78)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:51:00 PM EST
    thin, with paper thin slices of onion, left to sit in a good vinaigrette.  Or even just some good vinegar with plenty of salt and a pinch of sugar.  A good blob of sour cream on top tastes yum, too.

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    Thanks, squeaky - (none / 0) (#73)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:43:17 PM EST
    maybe I've just never had it cooked properly.

    I'll give it a whirl in the next couple of weeks and report back!

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    Yeah (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:46:38 PM EST
    Salt gets out the bitter..  It is a really flexible veg.. roasting to frying breading and mixing with other veggies like CC's ratatouille

    Also with chinese eggplant with garlic.. yummy

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    Moussaka (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:58:48 PM EST
    Oh my - easy to make, and oh so wonderful. Full of eggplant.

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    I make it (none / 0) (#88)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 09:13:19 PM EST
    all the time, but then I grew up eating it (I'm a Greek-American).  You can also make it with layers of zucchini and/or potatoes, in addition to the eggplant.  If you don't eat meat, that's okay- make it without the ground lamb/ground beef.  I'm getting hungry now- I may have to make some tomorrow.

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    I didn't know it's easy to make (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 09:54:27 PM EST
    Gadget, so thanks for the tip.  I love the stuff.  Then again, it's so easy to go to this great Greek place nearby and get the "ouzo platter" with not only moussaka but also dolmades and I forget the name but these minty meatballs with lemony sauce, plus pita and yogurt sauce and black olives . . . and luckily, the place is open until 3 a.m., so look what you've done; I may have to go tonight. :-)

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    Yummmmmm (none / 0) (#92)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 10:48:28 PM EST
    Greek and Indian...two fantastic experiences in easy to prepare, great tasting food. When we traveled the world, we really concentrated on the cuisine. France came in third.

    Already loved calamari, but learned to love octopus in Greece, too.

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    I draw the line at octopi (none / 0) (#101)
    by Cream City on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 09:04:41 AM EST
    but I haven't been to Greece, sadly, and that's where the spouse learned to love food with tentacles, too.  I am a fan of calamari -- and got a lot of it in Australia, where it's standard in the fish and chips choices.  I'd like to see that here to augment the usual cod and perch!

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    Moussaka - easy? (none / 0) (#103)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 10:46:52 AM EST
    Please share a recipe.
    Please share a recipe.

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    Messy, but easy :) (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 11:49:37 AM EST
    Found this on the internet...my Middle Eastern cookbooks are all over 25 years old and long out of print, but Time Life had a World series of cookbooks years ago with a terrific recipe and I managed to find someone who put it online.

    This is the recipe I would use when I'd visit my sister, who had the Time Life series.

    I use ground beef instead of lamb for reasons of taste...I don't care for lamb.

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    I use (none / 0) (#112)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:30:43 PM EST
    a lot more cheese than is in this recipe- about a cup.  (And I add a bit more to the bechamel sauce- as I said, we like our moussaka cheesier, but it's a matter of taste.)  If you can't get Greek kefalotiri, use Pecorino romano- it's more flavorful than parmesan.  You can also add a bit of red wine to the tomato sauce.  Although frying the eggplant slices is lots more flavorful, if you're trying to cut down on calories (although what's the point- it has plenty, with the sauce and the cheese), you can skip flouring the eggplant slices, brush them lightly with olive oil on each side, and broil briefly.  

    And what do you mean, I.G.- you don't like lamb???!!!  ;-)

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    Ratatouille (none / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:11:35 PM EST
    when made well is a bit of heaven on earth.

    And fried eggplant sticks (cut like french fries), dusted in grated parmesan or romano and dipped in marinara sauce -- best fest food here.  But I've had great ones from NYC street food carts, too.

    I also hated eggplant when I was a kid.  My mother's mistake was letting us see that great big weird purple egg-shaped thing in the kitchen. . . .

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    Also This (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:39:32 PM EST
    Some just salt the eggplant and then rinse and dry, to get the bitter out and make it absorb less oil..  

    cooking tips for eggplant

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    See, I think the big purple globe (none / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:47:27 PM EST
    is just beautiful!

    There's a local farm stand that sells white eggplant - looks like giant freshwater pearls - just gorgeous.

    My mom used to make ratatouille, but I was in that phase where I also did not like cooked tomatoes, so there wasn't much about it that appealed to me.  Now, I love anything tomato, so it might be worth re-visiting.  And, as squeaky has pointed out, below, it's important to get the bitter out - unless you like bitter.  In some things, I do, but I don't think eggplant is one of them!

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    For the Pads, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:45:42 PM EST
    Anyhow, I was at chamber music conference so it all seems rather remote.

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    Sunday's Over (none / 0) (#124)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:29:36 PM EST
    This thread got degraded by spats between three commenters. It's closing. One writes to provoke, one responds angrily and one responds with insults. Please, Get a room guys.