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Thursday Morning Open Thread

Since I will be at the Pelosi-DeGette-Polis health care event in Denver this afternoon, with my little Flip Video camera and iPhone to document anything interesting, I have to work this morning.

Here's an open thread for you, all topics welcome.

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  • John Conyers: (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by dk on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:02:48 AM EST
    There is no one more disappointed than I am in Barack Obama
    .

    h/t Black Agenda Report

    More:

    Conyers is the Congressional Black Caucus's longest serving member, having represented Detroit since 1964, when Obama was a three-year-old. He's also one of the most consistently progressive members of the House, chairman of the Judiciary Committee and author of single payer health care bill H.R. 676 - legislation the White House has done its best to smother. Obama once gave lip service to single payer health care, but as president has staked his reputation on a mishmash of corporate schemes and deals-with-the-devil masquerading as health care reform - a thoroughly confused and conflicted legislative concoction that Conyers describes, simply, as "cr*p."


    That (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:30:55 AM EST
    is very troublesome.

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    I'd say "troubling" (none / 0) (#60)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:06:46 AM EST
    instead of "troublesome".

    I find the entire HRC mish mash troubling, so Conyers isn't saying anything new to me.

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    Exactly what I meant (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:27:41 AM EST
    Bad grammar!  Bad grammar!

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    The grammar police around here never sleep (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:30:15 AM EST
    We got the school calendar (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37:01 AM EST
    for Aug/Sept yesterday.  I gave it to my son to look at and post on the refrigerator.  "Mom! It says 2008!".  (The rest of the calender was correct.)

    I hadn't noticed.  Eight year old proofreaders?

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    He's hired (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38:31 AM EST
    He'll receive his employment package in the mail from me shortly :)

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    Ask Pelosi if Medicare for All is still the best (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by lambertstrether on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:09:58 AM EST
    And, if so, why she's still trying to foist the "next best" on the American people.

    I like Medicare and think it was genius (none / 0) (#134)
    by hairspray on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:55:25 PM EST
    but it is based on a "fee for service" model and is going broke. That model allowed MD's to prescribe anything they thought might work (millions of docs with different opinions and financial needs)and simply bill back the insurance company. It still works that way, although as the gov. has cut back people who can afford it cover the gaps with medigap insurance. But there is no preventative model plan with restrictions or caps. It lacks much of the cost containment and organized efficient care model such as the Cleveland Clinic or Kaiser.  These are examples of good HMO's which is what Medicare will have to become if it wants to stay in the black. It should also enroll younger healthier member reaching back down to people in their 50's to begin with. One reason the costs of care are going up are the increasing numbers of older, sicker people.  Another reason is the insurance "underwriting."

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    "Change" you can believe in (none / 0) (#202)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:39:15 PM EST
    I just read where they are close to reaching an agreement on health care. I sure hope the article is wrong. I'd rather see no bill than a bad one:

    The Washington Post reports the emerging deal "would shave about $100 billion off the projected trillion-dollar cost of the legislation over the next decade and eventually provide coverage to 94 percent of Americans... It would expand Medicaid, crack down on insurers, abandon the government insurance option that President Obama is seeking and, for the first time, tax health-care benefits under the most generous plans."

    So does this mean that anyone who still happens to be fortunate enough to have a good health care plan at work is now going to be penalized? I can't believe any of the unions are going to endorse this.

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    John Waters is writing about his (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:48:13 AM EST
    friendship with ex-Manson-family-member Leslie Van Houten on HuffPo this week, in a 5 part extract from a book he is writing about his influences. It is interesting in learning about both Van Houten and Waters.

    (sorry, my link box won't work today on this computer for some reason. It is pretty prominent on the Huffingtonpost.com home page.)

    After reading the first 3 parts, I cannot see any drawback to granting her parole. She is thoroughly remorseful, takes full responsibility for what she did, and, as her attorneys point out, no one is dead because of her actions. (She backs away from that point herself, saying that she at least enabled Manson.) I think she has been punished enough for her part in those horrible crimes. She is 60 and has been in prison almost continuously since she was 19 or 20. since California needs to cut back on their prison population, I suggest they start there.

    Yep. 40 yrs is long (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by brodie on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:59:51 AM EST
    enough to be incarcerated for crimes committed as a pliable, wild and drug-dazed youth under the spell of a wacko cult leader.

    But of course she's a former Manson Girl, so courageous types like Vince Bugliosi, even as he recognizes she's fully rehabbed, just can't allow themselves to call for her release.  Vince is, in the end, just another prosecute and lock em up and throw away the key tough guy with a very narrow view of justice.

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    The counter-argument being (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:53:18 AM EST
    When Leno and Rosemary LaBianca get their parole from being dead, I would agree with you.

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    I see that POV too (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:06:04 AM EST
    I was on the fence about it before I read the Waters pieces. I would not advocate Manson or Watson's release, but she was in a gray area in my mind, and after reading more about her I'm convinced. 10 yrs, 20...I can see that. But I think 40 is enough for the part she played.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13:07 AM EST
    but Van Houten was one of the ones who stabbed Rosemary LoBianca 41 times - that's pretty brutal.

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    Yes, after she was already dead (none / 0) (#104)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:54:41 AM EST
    as part of Manson's attempt to share the 'experience'. Share the blame too, thinking they would not turn on him if they were as involved as possible (how bipartisan of him)?   Who knows?  Whatever his motives, they worked on her LSD impaired brain.

    M point remains, IMO 40 years is enough punishment. Can you find anyone else who has served 40 years for stabbing a corpse?

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    C'mon (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:04:11 PM EST
    She and Patricia Krenwinkle tied an electrical cord around Rosemary's neck (before she was dead), and eventually she put a pillowcase over Rosemary's face.  Van Houten also held her down while Watson stabbedher.  This was after she knew about the Tate murders, so she wasn't going in blind. She cleaned up after the murders, ate, and then changed clothes before she left the house.

    She had 3 trials (where she, Krenwinkle, and Atkins kept disrupting the trial) to be acquitted, and she was sentenced to life for first degree murder - not stabbing a corpse.

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    First trial was the one that was disrupted (none / 0) (#154)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:24:26 PM EST
    and her lawyer was murdered during the trial. In the other two she was tried alone, with one hung jury and finally the conviction. As far as I can tell her participation was neither necessary nor sufficient for the murders, but I will defer to the jury's verdict since I did not hear the evidence. I still think she should be paroled at this point.

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    is Waters (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:00:48 AM EST
    supportive of her release?

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:07:08 AM EST
    He has not been public about it, fearing his involvement would hurt more than help. Not sure what changed his mind now..not done reading yet..

    Parent
    Funny Question (none / 0) (#62)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:09:08 AM EST
    Why would you possibly imagine that he wouldn't be supportive of her release?

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    I generally try (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:14:49 AM EST
    not to imagine or assume.  I asked because I didnt know.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#74)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:24:32 AM EST
    Makes sense, I assumed that everyone knows Waters. My bad.

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    Agree (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by sj on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:01:33 PM EST
    It is a pretty bad assumption.

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    FYI (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:27:32 PM EST
    a question is not an assumption.


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    I "know Waters" (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26:58 AM EST
    quite well.  doesnt mean I know how he feels about this.


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    Oh (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:31:05 AM EST
    Then I am surprised, and would not agree that you know Waters quite well. Have you met him?

    Parent
    this conversation (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:32:06 AM EST
    is over

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    lol (none / 0) (#90)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:33:42 AM EST
    Kitchen getting too hot. Good move, then.

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    Thanks for pointing (none / 0) (#115)
    by dk on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:11:55 PM EST
    out the series.  In some ways, I find it reveals much more about John Waters than about Van Houten, but nevertheless it is a fascinating read!

    Parent
    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:01:51 AM EST
    hide the children.  a breast feeding doll.

    Although many health care providers promote the benefits of breast-feeding, parents around the world have criticized Berjuan, saying the idea of breast-feeding is too grown-up for young children -- and may even promote early pregnancy.


    Oh no! (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13:03 AM EST
    "Breast-feeding is too grown-up for young children" almost sounds like a parody.

    It's not like my daughter doesn't see her little brother being breast-fed every single day of the week.  Am I supposed to believe she is traumatized by this?  She knows exactly what it is!

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    not to mention (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:25:51 AM EST
    many probably remember it.

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    Thanks CH (none / 0) (#93)
    by coast on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:37:32 AM EST
    Now I have to find the number of that doctor so I can get the images  out of my head of me suckling on my mother.  Thanks a lot!

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    pfft (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:47:46 AM EST
    sorry.  immune.  I was not breast fed.

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    I gotta agree with you. (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:28:00 AM EST
    My six year old niece recently asked me if Adam and Eve had belly buttons. Not knowing where she was going with this I said yes. Her next question....If God created them they would not have had umbilical cords, so how come they had belly buttons?!
    I think I sat with my mouth open for a few seconds... :-). And then I could not even think of what to say because my family is very staunchly Catholic and as a non-believer, I have been asked not to share my opinions on the subject with the kids.


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    smart kid (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:31:14 AM EST
    If it makes you feel better (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:31:38 AM EST
    Catholics believe in evolution and science.  :)

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    As an adult I see how both can (none / 0) (#132)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:44:36 PM EST
    coexist. But I find with kids (atleast the few I know)that they take things very literally.
    I heard my 4 year old niece tell her jewish friend that she was going to hell because she did not attend Church. I was horrified and tried to explain to her the concept of different beliefs/religions but she stuck to what she had been taught at Sunday school. She attends a non-denominational Church. I thought they were supposed to be more tolerant and welcoming?

    Parent
    Back in the day my wife babysat a young Jewish girl who asked my wife if she was Jewish. My wife said no and the girl made some comment about the Holocaust, ie., that my wife's "people" had put her's to death.

    Parent
    You too VML? (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40:35 AM EST
    I am forbidden to discuss religion with my sisters daughters...and as much as I respect their parental perogative, my love for the kids leads me to be unable to resist asking the girls some loaded questions about what they learned in Sunday school:)  I have the "I didn't tell 'em nuthin', I asked 'em something!" defense going for me that way:)

    Parent
    Let's just say that when it comes to (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:13:39 PM EST
    a few subjects, Aunt V is persona non grata.

    And since both of my neices are in the "I have a question" phase. There are a lot of questions as to why everyone goes to Church except, Aunt V or why does she live with her boyfriend and does not plan to get married!! So the family is not very happy about having to answer these questions especially since they aren't very happy about it either.

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    Quite A Puritanical Streak (none / 0) (#97)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:42:44 AM EST
    In america. Fox is more mainstream that you would think.

    My guess is that the designer has made a cash cow.  

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    Breast Pump? (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by coast on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:51:29 AM EST
    Why didn't they include a toy breast pump.  The baby has to feed while the kid is at school right?

    Parent
    lol (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:53:49 AM EST
    The accessories will come later.. full line of them, I'd imagine,  if the doll takes off.

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    I am actually puzzled (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:04:34 PM EST
    why this is a big deal, but a doll that comes with a bottle (like they have done since time immemorial) is not.

    Is it controversial if a little girl pretends to feed her doll with a baby bottle?  I've yet to see anyone express concern that it might "speed up their maternal instincts" like the doctor from Fox News says.

    Breastfeeding is still seen as a little "weird" in our culture, but that's a hang-up that adults have, not kids.

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    For me its not (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by coast on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:22:19 PM EST
    that I think its going to speed up some maternal instincts.  For me its that my wife and I have tought our kids that "private parts" are meant to be covered.  Now they present a doll come with a top that unsnaps to show her breast.  And I understand that this isn't an actual shirt but is worn over a real shirt (at least I think that is how this top is suppose to work). But its not a streach to see a kid doing this with a shirt underneath, then doing it while playing in the fort in the back yard.  To me that is sending a mixed message.  One that she certainly can't understand at her age.  I have no problem with them selling the doll, I just won't buy it for my daughter.

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    Lol (none / 0) (#120)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:20:48 PM EST
    Good point. Substitutes are OK..

    I believe the puritanical, US aversion and legal line crossing to showing the female nipple, is all about using religions using repression to fuel their own procreation.

    IOW, if female nipples, et al, become everyday, the birth rate drops, and religion dies. Self serving survival instinct for religions.

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    Because it involves a body part (none / 0) (#121)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:21:00 PM EST
    that many people identify as "sexual" rather than with it's real function/purpose?

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    hooray (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:05:03 AM EST
    Olberman has a new arch enemy.
    OReilly was getting sort of tired anyway.


    Well, Dobbs didn't like that, claiming on his radio show today that Olbermann is "hallucinating" and "making up stories." And Dobbs rattled up a few choice descriptions for the MSNBC host: "punk," "liar," "psycho" and "fool."



    Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:10:44 AM EST
    I agree with at least a couple of those adjectives.

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    And there has been even more back and forth (none / 0) (#125)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:30:13 PM EST
    Dobbs keeps on engaging....

    Pretty funny....

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    This date in history (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by brodie on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12:39 PM EST
    the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima 64 yrs ago.

    I like some things about HST, particularly his fighting spirit in the 48 election and the way he took it to the Repubs and refused to lose, but on the most important decisions of his presidency, ones having to do with war and peace (bomb, Korea), I feel he decided badly.  Dropping the bombs was unnecessary, imo, certainly the 2d one.  

    And it doesn't do his reputation much good to note also that Truman by his own account didn't spend a lot of time carefully evaluating the decision or its implications nor worry later about what he'd done.

    I suspect had FDR lived another year, he would have decided to not to use the new weapon against Japan.  He was better positioned as a proven wartime leader and supremely confident president to challenge the military and nat'l security apparatus if necessary, while Truman was insecure and saw himself as a little man suddenly thrust by accident into the world's toughest job.  Who was he to doubt the experts?

    Helen Thomas (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:39:56 PM EST
    Didn't see any posts on this on Tuesday or Wednesday.

    But it made my day when Obama went into the press room and gave Helen Thomas cupcakes in honor of her 89th birthday.

    Obama earned special points from me for doing this.

    If you didn't already hear about this, you can read about the it here.

    You can see the video here.


    Nice (5.00 / 0) (#144)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:09:28 PM EST
    She deserves special treatment, imo. One of the few who does not suck up to power.

    Good on Obama, now he just needs to answer her questions.. lol

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    LOL is right (none / 0) (#198)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:31:35 PM EST
    I'd bet Helen thought the same, thanks but I'd rather you answer my questions.

    We think the press corp sucks now, wait till the lioness of the press corp hangs up her notepad, then we're really screwed.

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    no kidding (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:32:00 PM EST
    what is Nicholson? rural?


    Capt (none / 0) (#169)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:39:24 PM EST
    If he was portrayed with the Nicholson makeup it still would have been racist for those who seek it out in every corner - they would have said he looked like a pimp, and as we all know, every pimp is a black criminal, right?

    Parent
    Really? (5.00 / 0) (#164)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:35:03 PM EST
    Age old racism sexims ect apologies, 'gee I never meant it that way'

    When was the last time you saw a black man called a joker?

    The 'Joker' depicted here is a criminal, not the fifty third card in a deck of cards.

    Sheesh.


    OK, you know what I'm gonna play this game (none / 0) (#170)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:02 PM EST
    So, we can call a white president Bush criminal, but we can't call a black president Obama the same thing?

    You need to move past the idea that we ARE criminals, then this stuff won't affect you as much.

    Parent

    Yes (none / 0) (#178)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:44:38 PM EST
    Same thing with women, jews, muslims etc.  Group are stereotyped in order to perpetuate oppression. Repeating stereotypes perpetuates oppression, it should be avoided at all costs.

    That is basic progressive thinking, imo.

    Parent

    Well we need a little more progress then, IMO. (none / 0) (#183)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:57:51 PM EST
    While I can agree w/this
    Repeating stereotypes perpetuates oppression, it should be avoided
    this part
    at all costs
    IMO, doesn't allow us to move past words and understand each other better through meaning.  We might as well just stop talking and use sign language.

    Parent
    Sorry, no, it is not at all like that. (5.00 / 0) (#173)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:40 PM EST
    You are wrong.

    Get it?

    at least you guys (none / 0) (#177)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:44:04 PM EST
    have gotten down to making snarky one line responses.

    all that are warranted IMO

    Parent

    No, it's really not. (5.00 / 0) (#174)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:54 PM EST


    Except (2.00 / 0) (#142)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:08:28 PM EST
    Hillary has personally been called b!tch by right wingers and (more recently) Obama supporters.

    See the difference?

    Huh? (5.00 / 0) (#151)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:20:09 PM EST
    Are you saying that you are supportive of perpetuating racist stereotypes as revenge on Obama, because your Hillary has been slammed with sexist stereotypes?

    Wow. That is like the feminist who gains power and wreaks the same sexist treatment on men that she received as a woman.

    So much for progressive thinking.  Seems like you are embracing a reactionary position, here.

    Parent

    The lack of logic (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:38:24 PM EST
    again stuns me.

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    Lack of Logic (none / 0) (#172)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:35 PM EST
    Are you suggesting that Obama has not had racist slurs hurled against him by wingers and Hillary supporters?

    I am amazed by the blindness going on here at TL by several of the commenters, really.

    Parent

    Tobaccoup Road - 1st series of articles (none / 0) (#1)
    by avahome on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 07:05:43 AM EST
    The GOP's alliance with big tobacco....

    "The biggest scandal in Washington was the Republican Senate selling out to the tobacco industry."

    http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/tobaccoup-road


    Sotomayor confirmation vote at 3PM (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 08:04:35 AM EST


    GAO notes on USPS (none / 0) (#3)
    by Samuel on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 08:46:16 AM EST
    To continue a discussion from a couple days ago:

    http://mises.org/story/3612

    yard work (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 08:59:23 AM EST
    Maple, from what I can tell. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26:59 AM EST
    Not sure of the species.  Decent firewood, if you cut it and let it season for a summer.

    Here's a link for IDing silver maples.  Silver maples have a reputation for shedding entire limbs during windstorms.

    Here's a link about rot in trees.  The poster child in this presentation is...a silver maple.  

    (I don't hate silver maples.  I've just seen them fall on people's houses.  I've also seen people fight to save huge mature silver maples only to give up the battle when part or all of the tree comes crashing down.)

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    only one (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:29:37 AM EST
    is for sure a Maple.  the other bigger one is some kind of oak I think and there is a third one involved which may be some kind of Maple also.


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    The lower they branch (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43:01 AM EST
    the worse they are breakage wise.  Box elders and silver maples often limb out 3-4 feet above the ground and make a kind of bouquet of limbs.  Most trees that produce nice straight trunks and limb out well up are stronger and better to have around.

    Parent
    Whoa! (none / 0) (#38)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:37:26 AM EST
    Hope you can use the firewood, or know somebody else who can.

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    I can (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:40:54 AM EST
    but it probably wont be usable until next (after this coming) winter, no?

    not an expert but I think it will need to season and dry out.


    Parent

    Yep... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:05:30 AM EST
    don't burn fresh wood...it just smokes and smokes.

    Had a similar scene at my place after one of our recent t-storms, though not quite that bad.  Luckily a friend of mine from Jamaica is a master lumberjack (arborist?) and cut my landlady a sweet deal to trim a bunch of dead limbs off the trees while I chopped up what fell and what he trimmed.

    I was in awe of the skills...climbing these monster trees like nothing, wielding a chainsaw perched like a bird, and the pulley leverage system to ease the monster limbs to the ground...if I tried it I'd have to change my screenname to Stumpy cuz I'd lose limbs for sure.

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    hmmm (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13:54 AM EST
    hopefully I will not be logging on as Stumpy next week.

    although it may not even happen this weekend its supposed to be upper 90s this weekend here.  I guess summer has finally arrived.

    cant really see myself being a lumberjack in the high 90s.
    fortunately the whole mess is only visible to me and my backyard neighbors so not a lot of pressure to clean it up.


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    It was kinda cool... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:18:28 AM EST
    when we were working, but I was still sweating bullets, ya see a piece that don't look like much but that sh*t is dense and heavy.

    It's the best kinda tired though after a hard days manual labor...the sense of accomplishment in your muscles in the form of soreness.  It's a good hurt.

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    I know the feeling (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:23:53 AM EST
    it helps that feeling if its your own yard.  this one is not really mine.  but it may be.  the price is right and I am starting to sort of like it here.


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    I hear that... (none / 0) (#82)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:29:14 AM EST
    not quite the same when doing it for a less than ideal wage for somebody else.

    Though the place ain't mine it feels like it is I've been livin' there so long...My landlady being so kind and cool with the rent reductions in exchange for home improvements really helps us take pride in the place.

    Parent

    Or as Ol' One-Eye. (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:34:10 AM EST
    Wear goggles.  Really.

    Parent
    Yes, sir (none / 0) (#185)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    You want to split it and then stack it, out in the sun and whatever wind you get there if at all possible.  DO NOT cover it.  Rain or snow will only wet the very outer layer, and it dries out in a day or two.  Covers, even just on top, trap the moisture.

    Most hardwood will be burnable if stacked that way in about a year.  Do you know what kind of trees those are?  Oak takes several years.

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    I think (none / 0) (#189)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:34:16 PM EST
    the biggest chunk is from some kind of oak.
    ya, I grew up doing this so I knew you just had to stack it somewhere for about a year.

    the good news is the next door hardware store has one of those hydraulic splitters to rent.

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    wingnut of the day (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:16:21 AM EST
    from stinque

    Ann Althouse:
    There is something about the way the 2 seated men are posing as such good little boys with their hands in the I'm-behaving-myself position that demands that what I really want to see is Bill Clinton reach over and feel the thigh Kim Jong-Il, who exclaims: "No broh job!"

    how vile is that? on how many levels?

    Vile? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:25:18 AM EST
    How so Capt?  Poking fun at a Korean accent or Bill's proclivities or both?

    Bad taste maybe, lame joke definitely, but vile?

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    vile (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:33:34 AM EST
    Sure it's vile (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:33:42 AM EST
    from my perspective, but that word is also said with a dash of humor.  Weird glimpse into Althouse's Dowdish brain..

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    If you guys say so... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:48:34 AM EST
    personally, I think the policies and actions of Kim Jong and Bill Clinton are a lot higher on the vile chart than this lame joke....but by all means, give her hell, maybe it will improve her material.

    I can't get over how tiny Kim Jong is...he looks like a "My Buddy" doll next to Big Bill.

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    wha? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:57:58 AM EST
    with all your non judgmental libertarianism you are gonna rag on Bubba for being a dawg?

    say it aint so.


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    Not talking about the bj... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:00:33 AM EST
    talking about Bill's policies...the COPS thing, the expansion of the death penalty, that bastard McCaffery as drug czar...vile sh*t man.

    Kim Jong's vileness needs no clarification.

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    ok (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:06:25 AM EST
    thank you
    thats acceptable.  my whole image of you was at stake.


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    I thought about you this morning, kdog... (none / 0) (#105)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:55:38 AM EST
    The Barclays PGA is being held at the golf course next to my condo complex and we've been told to carry our ID's at all times. Our guests need passes/ID's to visit/stay. The Jersey City PD is going to be out in full force at all the entrances and everywhere else in between.

    We already went through this on the 4th of July and it sucked because getting in and out became a real hassle with all the security and vehicles backing up. Now I am going to have to put up with it for a week!
    Not to mention, I won't be able to take my pup on his usual walking route because the walkway cuts through the golf course between the 13th and 14th hole.
    Sorry, I just needed to vent. Watching all the spectator stands going up everyday and thinking of the crowds has made me incredibly grouchy!

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    My sympathies pal... (none / 0) (#109)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:02:19 PM EST
    being hassled with petty tyrannies aggravates me like little else...being hassled because of a stupid golf tournament that much more so.  That sucks...needing papers to get to your own damn house is re-god damn-diculous.

    Just don't let your frustation show too much in front of the man, I don't you to be the next victim of a stupid arrest!  God forbid it should happen, just ask for one blog comment instead of a phone call and I'll be there to bail you out:)

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    Thanks...... :-) (none / 0) (#124)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:28:39 PM EST
    I think if I was ever arrested, I would have a heart attack!
    I was planning on going camping at the end of the month/early Sept, I might just up it to coincide with the tournament....that is if I can convince my guy to skip the tournament. I guess,I might as well wish for the moon..:-)!

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    hypothetical (none / 0) (#28)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:16:33 AM EST
    if I were to scream racist obscenities all day long, while working in a soup kitchen, do you think that would be okay?  Would that make me a "good person" and/or would you be willing to overlook the words coming out of my mouth?

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    Depends on the context and intent.... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:24:17 AM EST
    of the racist obscenities.  If the context or intent is to put the people on the soup line down that ain't cool...if the context/intent is just kidding around I could overlook the choice of words...laugh along even.

    It's always in the context/intent.

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    I'll bet... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:28:53 AM EST
    ...you laughed (at loud even!) at Team America: World Police.  You are such an evil, vile person!1!11.

    LOL

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    I laughed outloud (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:33:11 AM EST
    at Team America,  even more at the directors cut.

    they are not serious village columnists.

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    Malthouse... (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:35:41 AM EST
    ...is a serious village columnist?  

    Here I thought she was just an blogger with a webcam and a big box of wine in the fridge.  

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    did she not (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:40:01 AM EST
    at least at some point write for one of the "serious" newspapers.

    maybe I am confusing her with another serious person

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    btw (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:41:59 AM EST
    if you are anyone else has not seen the unrated version of Team America you should

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    Actually... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:52:29 AM EST
    Parker & Stone, Stewart & Colbert, Groening & MacFarlane are the social critics I take most seriously.

    Parent
    Mike Judge (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:10:28 AM EST
    of King of the Hill, Idiocracy, and Beavis and Butthead has a new movie coming out.

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    Cool... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:13:00 AM EST
    how could I forget Judge?

    "Office Space" is his masterpiece...and speak of the devil, my fax says there is a paper-jam when there is no paper jam!

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    Office Space rules! (none / 0) (#70)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:17:30 AM EST
    I've seen it so many times I know all the lines by heart.  

    And I still say that Idiocracy will prove to be prophetic.

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    "will prove to be?" (none / 0) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:22:05 AM EST
    I think it already is.  and it is the funniest thing ever.  the Not Sure sequence always makes me almost pee myself no matter how many times I see it.


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    I love that movie (none / 0) (#43)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:44:24 AM EST
    context/intent is different.

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    just asking! (none / 0) (#45)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:49:11 AM EST
    I agree with you for the most part.

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    No worries... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:54:11 AM EST
    My best take on the context/intent here is to poke fun at Bill and Kim...not to demean all Korean people or adulterers.

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    seriously (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:47:02 AM EST
    bro job?
    you think she pulled back the corners of her eyes when she wrote that?


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    holy sh*t (none / 0) (#8)
    by lilburro on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:24:57 AM EST
    The big news of the day (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:37:22 AM EST
    Gators Opens Fall Practice:

    Defending national champion Florida has opened fall practice, taking the field with hopes of winning a third title in the last four years.

    The Gators started at 5:45 a.m. Thursday, with about 200 fans eagerly awaiting their arrival. The early start was no surprise after coach Urban Meyer promised to make summer workouts and two-a-day practices the toughest in his five years.

    His rationale? Florida returns nearly every starter--receivers Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy and both offensive tackles are gone--from last year's team that beat Oklahoma 24-14 in the Bowl Championship Series title game in Miami, and Meyer wants his players to avoid complacency.

    Yep it's August but its almost time for college football, the best time of the year.

    Is that a real headline? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:43:13 AM EST
    "Gators Opens Fall Practice"?  Sounds like one of their student-athletes might have written it.

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    No. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:47:31 AM EST
    Click the link.  Then you'll see who wrote it.

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    That was my typo (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:48:31 AM EST
    "Gators Open Fall Practice" was my intent.

    Here is how the AP titled it - "National champion Florida opens fall practice"

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    BTW (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:49:14 AM EST
    I was a student-athlete in my day so I resemble that remark.

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    Varsity? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:51:49 AM EST
    Indeed (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:53:12 AM EST
    I am impressed (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:16:01 AM EST
    Not that it's any more impressive than my own performance as a bench-warmer for the Ultimate Frisbee team, of course.

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    Couldn't get off the bench... (none / 0) (#171)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:40:12 PM EST
    in Ultimate Steve?  You musta not been high enough:)

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    You know the sport (none / 0) (#176)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:43:08 PM EST
    The entire team was a bunch of stoners, and very athletic stoners at that.  My conservative Christian buddy and I were the only ones who didn't partake.

    Although, when you're traveling to an away game, 12 guys to a hotel room, and everyone else is smoking pot... it really makes little difference whether you choose to participate or not.

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    So you're kinda the opposite of WJC, (none / 0) (#180)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:47:50 PM EST
    you inhaled but didn't smoke. And a much more credible statement, imo...

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#182)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:51:43 PM EST
    and I'd call my teammates to provide supporting testimony on this, but I'm afraid they might not show up...

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    heh (none / 0) (#200)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:35:28 PM EST
    Yeah man... (none / 0) (#184)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:02:49 PM EST
    it's a very zen sport that potheads just seem to take to.

    I find basketball and soccer to the be the same way...I play better under the influence.  But not football...that requires too much aggression.  And not softball...too much downtime to think and the mind wanders...those two are strictly post-game:)

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    What position? (none / 0) (#127)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:38:37 PM EST
    What college? (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:39:51 PM EST
    NCAA creation of category (none / 0) (#22)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 09:57:37 AM EST
    of student-athletes and recognition of those who deserve recognition for excellence on both sides of the hyphen, and with emphasis on the first word, the one before the hyphen, was important.  I have known many true student-athletes.  They're terrific.

    The ones you're talking about are just . . . jocks.

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    I read this as "FAIL Practice" (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:06:24 AM EST
    I need more caffeine.

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    Agree about the start of (none / 0) (#46)
    by brodie on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:51:05 AM EST
    football season being the best time of year (baseball having been badly tarnished by its unfortunate PED Era), though I usually wait until late Aug/early Sept to begin to get excited about it.  

    Early Aug is just too brutally hot and muggy in most places to have workouts outdoors, so I feel for those Gator players who'll go through heck for a few weeks from a hard-driving coach who sounds like he's either going to get the best prepped and conditioned team in the land, or the one most likely to burn out by week 8.

    As a confirmed West Coaster, I'm naturally not inclined to pull for any team east of the continental divide, especially one from the overrated SEC.  But as a Dem and political junkie I'll cut Florida some slack for having gone Obama in this last election.  

    And I have to feel somewhat for a state that is apparently being overrun by giant maneating pythons ...  

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    The biggest suspense about 'Fall' practice (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    around here in UCF territory is whether all the players will survive the summer heat. I heard they are doing most of their practicing indoors this year.

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    I Hear the Unions (none / 0) (#29)
    by bob h on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:23:58 AM EST
    are now going to take a hand in this.  How loud are the screamers going to be in the presence of the UAW or the Teamsters?

    Most interesting part of that is (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:33:46 AM EST
    that the AFL/CIO is on record as wanting the "robust public option" and other things that Obama has not publicly drawn a line in the sand about. If the AFL/CIO helps Obama keep the town hall meetings positive on health care reform, will he make sure they get what they want in the final Bill?

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    Good question (none / 0) (#40)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:40:26 AM EST
    I do feel like the AFL-CIO is in a better position to demand a quid pro quo from the White House than I am, so that's something.  But it's unclear to me what the AFL-CIO's institutional interest in a robust public option would be.  Sure, it may be their stated position, but are they really invested in it?

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    Their stated interest anyway (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:52:11 AM EST
    is because they believe a public option robust enough to really compete with the insurance companies would drive down costs for all.

    Of course, if it hard to tell how serious they are about it or what form of love they are prepared to withhold from Congress and Obama if they do not deliver!

    All my info is coming from the article on Huffo about it, if you want to take a look. Sorry, for some reason I cannot use the link tool today on this computer.

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    This could seriously split unions (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:27:28 AM EST
    and a lot of unions, as the White House is enlisting many of them.

    Not sure I like that, as I just got the right to even think about unionizing . . . just in time for further divide-and-conquer strategies at unions.

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    I'm a little nervous (none / 0) (#35)
    by brodie on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:35:08 AM EST
    about this health care event in Denver today with Pelosi, someone who's bound to attract plenty of attention from the organized RW crazies.

    Last time I recall Pelosi involved in a town hall with protesters -- 2006 with a very vocal and obnoxious Code Pink group that disrupted her event -- she handled it by giving the demonstrators far too much room to protest, imo.

    By now however Dems should be plenty forewarned about the need to act to defuse and dilute and if necessary remove the rowdy teabaggers who insist on shutting down civilized discussion.  So, I trust that the Dem organizers have had enough time now to provide for large numbers of pro-reform people to arrive early and take as many seats as possible, then for security to be on hand to act swiftly as needed.

    The best thing would be if the union guys (1.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:26:39 AM EST
    take care of it with a few two by fours. Sometimes that what it takes for a jackass to listen.

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    Would they (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:01:33 PM EST
    wear brown shirts when they used the 2x4s and would they have been organized?  

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    Oh Yeah, that'll fix everything (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:28:17 AM EST
    No it won't. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:40:20 AM EST
    But it would quiet them down for the moment.

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    Certainly there are better methods (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:43:00 AM EST
    we can employ to deal with the situation.  The unionized 2x4 is a little dated :)

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#186)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:39 PM EST
    Looking forward to your report Jeralyn (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:35:46 AM EST
    I'm perversely hoping for a wild meeting.

    Voinovich announces he will support Sotomayor (none / 0) (#51)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:58:09 AM EST


    Retiring, no primary to worry about (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:00:27 AM EST
    The model holds!

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    Voinovich (none / 0) (#89)
    by Fabian on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:32:52 AM EST
    would probably have done it anyway.  I think Voinovich wants to do the right thing most of the time, but votes the party line like a good R.  Absent a strong Republican stand, Voinovich will vote his conscience.

    Not sure where he stands on health care.

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    have not seen any (none / 0) (#101)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:50:32 AM EST
    discussion of this here.

    I think it is sort of silly but I dont really understand quite how its racist.  except that it is an unflattering pic of Obama, so of course it is.

    Did You Read It (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:02:51 PM EST
    And you disagree with this:

    Obama, like the Joker and like the racial stereotype of the black man, carries within him an unknowable, volatile and dangerous marker of urban violence, which could erupt at any time
    .

    Also the clever coding of 'blackface', which was almost always a racist parody of blacks, to whiteface, is nasty too. It functions as a double of the criminal black stereotype, one that wears white face to seek revenge.

    Lots of nasty racist implications with that poster, imo.


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    Does seem illogical (none / 0) (#106)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:57:52 AM EST
    to say the least.  The writer himself points out that the same thing was done with a photo of Bush.  But that wasn't racism. . . .

    There is an argument that could be made, based on historical treatment of AAs (aka use of "whiteface") but I don't see it there.  Did I miss it?  Or did this writer, I presume, miss it -- and much more, like his point.  

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    everyone in the world (none / 0) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:59:37 AM EST
    as gotten the joker treatment.  

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    Cream City, how about your input on (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:08:28 PM EST
    the Milwaukee theatre stuff?  Made the NYT.  

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    Sad. But the problem person (none / 0) (#187)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:57 PM EST
    was fired yesterday -- NYT not up with the story.  So that troupe will survive (if the long-retired founder now brought back does not hang on too long and is not the one power-tripping behind all this, a question I have:-).

    And it's just one theater troupe, after all.  A pretty good one with a good history, sure.  

    But this is a theater town with lots of troupes, venues, etc., and long has been so (the German heritage, apparently; many great troupes have come and gone, but the legacy lives on.)  So it's conflict, ooooh, that got the attention (and some very savvy types manipulating the media) of the NYT as well as media here.  Apparently the lack of context in national coverage is leading you and others to think this was a one-troupe town?:-)

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    It sounds like good material for a Noises (none / 0) (#195)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:21:20 PM EST
    Off type farce.  Glad to hear you will not be theatre-less.  

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    Yup (none / 0) (#114)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:10:26 PM EST
    Not The Same (none / 0) (#116)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12:21 PM EST
    One of the stereotypes of Jews is that they control all the money in the US because they are money hoarders.

    If you had a cartoon of Bush with piles of money on his oval office  with his arms wrapped around the pile, and him drooling that would not connote the same thing as a Jewish president (if we had one) substituted in the cartoon.

    In the second example it would perpetuate racist or bigoted stereotypes of Jews.

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    Sorry, just don't agree that it's racist (none / 0) (#117)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:12:26 PM EST
    Perhaps because the poster is ultimately a racially charged image. By using the "urban" makeup of the Heath Ledger Joker, instead of the urbane makeup of the Jack Nicholson character, the poster connects Obama to something many of his detractors fear but can't openly discuss. He is black and he is identified with the inner city, a source of political instability in the 1960s and '70s, and a lingering bogeyman in political consciousness despite falling crime rates.

    The first premise, that people associate Heath Ledger's Joker as "urban" is to me a huge, Grand Canyon size leap.  Without that leap, the rest falls apart.


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    Uh (5.00 / 0) (#126)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:33:03 PM EST
    It has to do with attaching racist stereotypes to a black president.

    Pretty simple, imo.

    Certainly if Obama was depicted as Jesus Christ or Superman, there would be no racism.

    Between the whiteface and criminal, not to mention a criminal seeking vengeance for societies past misdeeds, this is patently racist, imo.

    Not to mention that Ledger is dead.

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    Um, I know what they are attempting to do (none / 0) (#133)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:20 PM EST
    I just don't buy it.  That either assumes blacks are always criminals or blacks are never criminals.  Neither of these is true.  By your logic, black folk can only be depicted as heroes, lest we be assumed to be criminals.  I do think they are trying to say he's shady, and can't be trusted, but that alone isn't racist.  A lot of people are shady and can't be trusted, black, white, yellow, brown, it doesn't matter.

    You are reading waaaaay too much into the picture.  If I was taking a class on African American Studies and Pop Culture, I could see the arguments you are making.  However, in the everyday world, and I guess my point here is, unless it's absolutely clear someone's intent is to be racist, we shouldn't assume it is.

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    So, the Joker was a socialist? (none / 0) (#130)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:40:06 PM EST
    I must have missed that symbolism.  Here I thought he was just a sociopath.

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    Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#123)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:25:57 PM EST
    What is your take on the Bachelorette and the Ed Swiderski expose?

    TV Legends (none / 0) (#135)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:55:29 PM EST
    The TV Academy has begun filling their YouTube channel with archival interviews with various TV producers, writers, actors and reporters.

    The interviews are extensive, covering the subjects' lives and work.  Most of the interviews are over three hours long!

    If you're interested in the history of television, they're really worth a look.

    Here's a link to the YouTube channel.

    R2K polls new Jersey (none / 0) (#136)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 12:56:09 PM EST
    here.

    This is not over for Corzine just yet, IMO.

    Been wanting to post this (none / 0) (#137)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    Wife takes revenge on cheating husband.  Teams up with his lovers for ambush.  It fell of the website's front page and I lost the URL.  All I'll say is crazy glue was involved.

    I saw this yesterday. (none / 0) (#147)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    I know what they did to him was wrong but I still laughed at the image of his d!ck super glued to his stomach!!

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    ditto (none / 0) (#162)
    by vicndabx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:32:21 PM EST
    my thought at first was how high up on his stomach, should I be jealous?  /s

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    LOL...I did not think about that. (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:36:59 PM EST
    You guys and your measuring sticks!!

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    Now that is some street justice... (none / 0) (#155)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:26:19 PM EST
    I can support..I wish the ladies luck in dodging time.

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    Ha. You're missing the latest (none / 0) (#188)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:32:28 PM EST
    on the story.  That was a couple days ago.

    Yesterday, after the women were out fast of only $200 per, the guy was arrested and jailed.  Why?  Lots of warrants out for child support unpaid, among many another nefarious part of his past.

    He's gonna need a lot more than the antidote to SuperGlue to get him and his you-know-what free again.  And it's such a small town; he must have pretty much p*ssed off the available women in it, anyway.

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    I see how ... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    it can be viewed as racist.

    But the satire isn't good enough to deserve any attention.

    It's just lame.

    My first reaction was "Wow, did you just get photoshop?"

    Obama critics have to work harder to deserve my attention or rancor.

    This is very, very weak tea.  And I dumped it down the mental drain the minute I saw it.

    personally (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:09:22 PM EST
    I think they are making it harder to make a case against real racism when it happens with all this shouting wolf stuff.

    everything that insults Obama is not racist.

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    True (none / 0) (#146)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:12:16 PM EST
    everything that insults Obama is not racist.

    But this is patently racist. Really ugly, imo. It hits on several of the racist stereotypes that have been around for the last few hundred years.

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    Maybe ... (none / 0) (#153)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:23:34 PM EST
    but this is just a bad political poster.  It doesn't send a message that would reach anyone who isn't already against Obama.

    And that's my primary reaction to it.  It's bad.

    Or to use current Internet parlance ... epic fail!

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    Who you callin'... (none / 0) (#145)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:09:52 PM EST
    a winger?

    The preferred nomenclature is "on the fringe", if you please:)

    Yeah (none / 0) (#148)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:14:22 PM EST
    Sorry to generalize. In your case your passionate ideology predisposes you to occasional blindness, imo.  


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    Fair enough my friend... (none / 0) (#158)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:29:00 PM EST
    we've banged heads on this kinda stuff enough...there are two ways to look at it though, I may well be blind, or I could simply not be seeing the same hallucination.

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    Sick for Profit (none / 0) (#157)
    by joanneleon on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:28:32 PM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#165)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:36:26 PM EST
    You need to go to a sensitivity training course, or pick up a book or two on sexism.


    You're giving this poster ... (none / 0) (#175)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 01:41:42 PM EST
    too much credit.

    It's a net zero.

    enemies list? (none / 0) (#190)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:53:10 PM EST
    oh man.  what are they afraid he is going to do?

    pander to them?

    Obama's dissident database could be secret -- and permanent
    By: Byron York
    Chief Political Correspondent
    08/06/09 4:47 AM EDT

    The White House request that members of the public report anyone who is spreading "disinformation" about the proposed national health care makeover could lead to a White House database of political opponents that will be both secret and permanent, according to Republican lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee who are examining the plan's possible implementation.

    Well (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:00:02 PM EST
    Just ask yourself - how would you feel if the Bush White House had a blog up, circa 2002, that asked people to send any misinformation they heard about the war in Iraq to an email address at the WH, and the WH would look to clear it up?

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    Im sure (none / 0) (#192)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:04:51 PM EST
    they probably did.  I think this is silly.  he already has the power to listen to their phone calls read their emails and track their credit cards.

    I just dont understand quite what they are afraid he is going to do to them.


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    I'd be afraid... (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:18:08 PM EST
    of an IRS audit if they pegged me as a mis-information spreader.

    Yeah, they've got all the capability they need to monitor and spy on our communications, but that doesn't mean we have to do their job for them and become informants...I'm with jb on this, too creepy. If the WH wants a better handle of the word on the street, they should get off their arse and hit the street, instead of recruiting Orwellian junior spies to report back the word on the street with names.

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    I guess I would not (none / 0) (#196)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:25:36 PM EST
    disagree strongly with either of you.  this just seems like a stretch to me.

    I mean if he wanted an enemies list, which he may well have as far as I know, there are much better ways to put one together.

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    Absolutely no one (none / 0) (#197)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:27:19 PM EST
    is demanding to know the names.

    If you want to forward a misleading email to the White House without attaching the name of the sender, I'm sure they are just as happy to receive it.

    There is nothing wrong or even suspicious with wanting to know what sort of misinformation is going around.  It is an unsupported assumption, and rather silly in my view, to believe they care more about the who than the what.

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    Doesn't it have that Stalinist... (none / 0) (#203)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:47:44 PM EST
    "beware of counter-revolutionary thought" tinge to it though Steve?  Is it that hard for the WH to find the disinformation themselves?  I mean if we hear it, don't the president and his advisers? And if they hear it, why the need for informants, unless to get names?

    I'm more paranoid than most when it comes to this stuff, but you know how they saying goes..."if you aren't the least bit paranoid, you aren't paying attention".

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    I guess (none / 0) (#193)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:18:00 PM EST
    I don't trust any of them.  I wouldn't put anything past this administration, just as I wouldn't put anything past Bush/Cheney.

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    First (none / 0) (#201)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:36:55 PM EST
    you have accept the possibility that the President COULD be a Muslim, furner, born in darkest Africa and out to harm America and then you're pretty much primed for every other fearful possibility.

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    If it's GENUINE disinformation (none / 0) (#204)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 04:04:59 PM EST
    ie: lies and slander, then it goes out of the realm of respect for freedom of expression and into the realm of self defense.

    John Hughes has died (none / 0) (#205)
    by Dadler on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 07:58:06 PM EST
    RIP.