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Saturday Night Open Thread : Here Comes the Sun

By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 07:56:04 PM EST
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With every ending comes a new beginning.

From a sad day for America, to a future that remains our's to shape and define. Where should we start?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I'm too busy being sad because I think this is the (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 08:09:18 PM EST
    end of an era.  It's hard to put into words but things just already seem different for me.  

    I think the end came and went (none / 0) (#39)
    by Fabian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:49:26 PM EST
    and most of us didn't notice.

    I think those of us wondering where the capital "D" Democrats went last year realized that something was missing, had passed on.

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    Health care (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by cawaltz on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:27:30 PM EST
    I think Senator Kennedy would rather we reflect on his life's work rather than dwell on our loss.

    It is imperitive that we convince this Congress that it's legacy should not be merely profits for the health care industry and instead be true reform that covers not just the wealthy and well connected but the poor and downtrodden and everyone in between.

    Compromise dead? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:33:29 PM EST
    The suddenly fiscal responsible Republican's announced on their weekly radio show that a HCR compromise is dead. Enzi says the bill must be done  "without increasing deficits and the national debt".

    Amazing how quick Republican's returned to worrying about costs and deficits. For 8 yrs they squandered the countries treasure and buried us in debt. Democrat's really need to call them out on this.

    With all due respect (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by cawaltz on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:07:41 PM EST
    the GOP did not squander on its own. The Democrats weren't powerless. In many instances they just chose not to fight.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#10)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:12:09 PM EST
    No argument on that from me. I just don't want to hear any of them cry poor to me now. Anyone who rubber stamped Bush's looting of the country has no right to talk about fiscal responsibility now.

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    I hated their reckless spending! (none / 0) (#13)
    by BrassTacks on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:54:19 PM EST
    I wish our democrats had tried harder to reign them in, and not just rubber stamped all that Bush spending.  Now look at the deficit!  It scares me to death how much my kids are going to have to pay.  My grandkids too.  They'll be paying this off forever!  At this point, I just want it to stop!  Someone has to be the grownups and stop spending money we don't have!  

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    In the words of one Dick Cheney (none / 0) (#20)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:37:48 AM EST
    "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

    Republicans don't give a d*amn about anything, until it's convenient.

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    Another reason to (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:36:50 PM EST
    not respect Bill Bradley.

    Spoken like a true Democrat! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:22:08 PM EST
    It's bad enough when Republican's insist on canonizing Reagan, but it really irks me when Democratic's continue the myth.

    I also don't think a medical court  would get Republican's to back universal health care.

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    And yet (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:27:03 PM EST
    he almost won the NH primary in 2000. His coterie of "liberal" supporters at the time and the damage they helped to inflict on Al Gore continue to sicken me.

    I don't trust Bradley as far as I can throw him.

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    That's the same tripe he was pushing (none / 0) (#32)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:13:17 AM EST
    on NPR's Morning Edition about three weeks ago. Didn't think much of it then, don't think much of it now.

    Who cares about Bill Bradley? Maybe he should take the helm at the NBA. Stern is pathetic and it would keep Bradley from spouting off about political matters in which he no longer has any involvement.

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    i thought this was kind of odd (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by The Last Whimzy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:37:40 AM EST
    people here have noted that supporting obama would not translate into supporting an issue like health care.  why hasn't the obama movement been deployed to pass health care?

    this guy seems to think it's Obama's fault presumably because Obama was more decisive about speaking out for himself than the issue of health care and so it stands to reason, people were more inspired to work their butts off for obama and not so much with health care.

    but i couldn't stop thinking about how there's something more going on there.  

    The (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 06:29:58 AM EST
    "Obama movement" was never about issues. It was about him. Even in that diary you see that the diarist was working for "him" not for any particular issue.

    Man, you talk about mass disappointment, it's all over the place except for the obvious hacks.

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    The young do (none / 0) (#35)
    by waldenpond on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 11:19:27 AM EST
    support the public option when you look at the breakdown in polls.  I think the problem is Obama is to wishy washy.  No one knows where he is so what exactly are they supposed to supporting.  If they are like a majority and don't see the purpose of reform without the public option, they will just tune out.

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    H*ll (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:46:27 PM EST
    the young tuning out? I'm about done with this issue and I'm not happy about it. All I'm seeing is some kind of loser bill that is bascially a bailout for the insurance companies. Obama has ALWAYS been wishy washy on almost every issue. I mean this goes to back to him voting present in the IL Senate.

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    I read they tried to turn out the Movement (none / 0) (#40)
    by sallywally on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 09:09:22 PM EST
    but didn't get any action out of it. People just didn't show up.

    Maybe it's an attention span thing....partial snark...

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    Does anyone have a remedy for this: (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:11:02 AM EST
    My fingers are stinging and burning like crazy from chopping too many jalapenos. (Yes, I neglected to wear gloves!) The chili for tomorrow's BBQ is gonna be killer -- but so is the pain in me poor digits.

    All Suggestions Considered.

    Rub your fingers with salt (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:22:44 AM EST
    and then soak in milk or cream.

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    Thanks MT (none / 0) (#25)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:25:33 AM EST
    All I've got is soy milk... Hopefully that will work!

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    bless your heart (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:41:41 AM EST
    In case the soy does not do it for you do you have any dairy....sour cream?  Something in milk products blocks the receptors...much like it problematically does in our bodies I suppose :)

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    Yes! Sour cream it is! (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:01:16 AM EST
    Even the less fat version will do the trick, I'm sure. And here I thought I was going to use that for potatoes.

    Forgive me Chef, for I know not what I do.

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    It's the fat. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Fabian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:43:12 PM EST
    Capsaicin (the hot stuff) is fat soluble, not water soluble.  Using soap or detergent will wash some of it off, but you need something oily to get the rest off.  

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    "hydrophobic" says wiki (none / 0) (#37)
    by Fabian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:45:55 PM EST
    Which means that it actively repels water!  The more oil the better - like dissolves like.

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    I feel no sun even scratching the horizon (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:18:44 AM EST
    tonight.  We are each on our own path, and on mine I don't even feel a fleeting ray.  It feels terrible.  I'll be the first one to invite a ray in as soon as one appears on my horizon.

    INteresting profile of Sen. Kennedy's (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 08:52:40 PM EST
    wife in today's NYT:  NYT

    Still processing Inglourious Basterds (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:03:26 PM EST
    My initial impression is that it's a really good movie weaved together with an exceptionally bad one.

    I can't say which parts are which.

    It scared me how much (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:04:58 AM EST
    movie joy I could derive in Nazis being scalped and having a baseball bat taken to them.  I can't stand Tarintino's grindhouse stuff, but I loved Resevoir Dogs and once again my lowlife underbelly has been exposed....I'm evil vindictive on some level and almost joyfully so when it only involves a mixture of red food coloring and corn syrup.  Perhaps the Brad Pitt character was fully fleshed out (nice scar), but he hardly made the movie for me.  For me the best portrayal of characters was Col. Landa and Shosanna Dreyfus, with the grand prize going to Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz.  I will own this movie simply because it makes me feel better when everything sux giant evil.

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    I think I wouldn't watch it again (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 09:21:09 AM EST
    Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarintino.

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    please put urls in html format (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:16:41 PM EST
    or they skew the site and I have to delete the comment. I just deleted one, sorry, but I cannot edit comments, only delete them.

    Beneath of veneer of the idiotic Politico (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:13:18 PM EST
    an interesting story about Gore and Clinton:

    [T]he message, on a day when Kennedy was remembered as being devoted the least of American society, was that Democrats need to fight. On that, the now silver-haired man from Hope was resoundingly clear.

    "You need to back these congressmen and let them know you're not going to let them be steamrollered by a bunch of people who have been frightened," Clinton said, in reference to the town hall tumult of the last few weeks. "Don't let anybody tell you that President Obama wants to ration health care. We are rationing health care in America."

    "I'm not a very good politician any more; I just say what I think," Clinton said. "But I have been waiting for this for 40 years . . . . to recreate the American dream."

    [. . .]

    Gore, in a much shorter set of remarks, was loose-limbed and noticeably thinner than in recent years - and he seemed to elicit the night's most emotional moment. [I noticed that too, but seriously Politico, do you not even pretend to do news?]

    Playing off the focus of the Kennedy funeral on the Gospel of Matthew's parable of Jesus taking care of "the least of us," Gore thundered that the country has "a moral duty to pass health care reform. This year."
    Did John and/or Elizabeth Edwards (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:15:09 PM EST
    lend their voices?

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    Who? (2.00 / 1) (#16)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:16:55 PM EST


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    they were at the funeral together (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:28:27 AM EST


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    Election law? (none / 0) (#17)
    by TheRealFrank on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:23:48 PM EST
    Does anyone here have knowledge of election law?

    This story in the NYT makes it seem like the Supreme Court (or at least the conservatives on it) are gearing up to basically allow unlimited corporate election campaign spending.

    That sounds bad.

    There aren't enough votes (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:55:39 PM EST
    to uphold McConnell v. FEC, which will probably be overturned. The extreme conservatives on the Court are probably going to jettison almost all campaign finance regulations on 1st Amendment grounds.

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    Since I moved into my current home (none / 0) (#27)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:29:19 AM EST
    five years ago, I've been very picky about what, and how much, artwork I put up on the walls. The very first thing I hung in my bedroom is a framed photo of George Harrison playing the sitar, circa 1966. It hangs above my desk, and it is still the only thing on my bedroom walls. It always makes me feel better looking up at George.

    Sometimes less is more (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:45:32 AM EST
    and we did that when we moved into this house.  I still don't know what to do with the art in the storage room that we aren't very serious about and probably never will be :) If you love it, if you need it, if it fills you, it makes its own belonging no matter where it came from or what else is in the room.

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    I have a second bedroom that is filled (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:07:20 AM EST
    with beautiful framed art I can't find wall space for. Less really is more.

    Don't get rid of yours without checking in with the Antiques Roadshow first! You never know. A couple of weeks ago, a woman brought in a painting her mother had kept because it was painted by a distant relative. Turns out the man was a somewhat renowned Ohio Valley artist in the mid 19th century. The Roadshow dealer valued the painting at between $15,000 - $25,000.

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