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Bringing Sexism Into It

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Posted on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 02:49:14 PM EST
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Via Peter Daou and Media Matters, the Washington Post brings it:

Lighten up! Just good clean fun.

Speaking for me only

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    what i pointed out before (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 02:58:49 PM EST
    the beers suggested for gates and obama did not have any negative connotation about race.

    the beer suggested for hillary has a slur used about women.

    Oh, Lighten up -- B*tch is the new funny (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Idearc on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:06:16 PM EST
    </snark>

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    What country is generally known for Red Stripe? (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:02:39 PM EST
    Certainly can be considered a connotation about race, whether positive or negative is your call.

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    Stumped me. Which? (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:15:28 PM EST


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    Jamaica (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:16:16 PM EST


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    But (none / 0) (#57)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:25:27 PM EST
    Red Stripe is the beer Gates actually drank at the meeting, no?

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    I thought he had a Sam Adams lite? (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:36:48 PM EST


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    Here we go correcting the facts (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:38:23 PM EST
    again.  But were you there?

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    no thankfully! (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:44:43 PM EST
    My idea of a good time is not sitting around in a suit out in the heat having a "teachable moment" for the media  ;)

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    A plastic table at that. (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:45:52 PM EST


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    Not according to the (none / 0) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:43:09 PM EST
    Jamaica Observer.

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    That was what I thought he was (none / 0) (#89)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:51:27 PM EST
    drinking originally, but I thought I heard that he ended up drinking a SA on da mornin' news. here's one story that said he did. That said, I didn't think it looked like a light beer in the glass, but it has been awhile since I've seen a SA light

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    Yes, isn't that the point? (none / 0) (#68)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:32:35 PM EST


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    This morning, Ratigan said that Hillary was... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by JoeCHI on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:02:26 PM EST
    ...'loud and obnoxious'.  

    Sure, she can't sing, wears nothing but pantsuits, and her hair is a mess these days, but 'loud and obnoxious'?  Really?

    Ratigan was (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:03:48 PM EST
    looking in the mirror I think. Are you sure he mentioned Hillary when he said that? Why was he even talking about her?

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    Ratigan was interviewing a corporate trainer (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by JoeCHI on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 05:56:20 PM EST
    about Obama's cabinet retreat (around 9:30am into his program).

    They were discussing possible exercises that some in the cabinet might do, and the first cabinet official they discussed was Clinton.

    Basically, Ratigan said; "Ok, what about Hillary Clinton.  She's loud and obnoxious just like me."

    It struck me as odd because HRC has never struck me as either loud or obnoxious.  Evidently, 'loud and obnoxious" is the media's new "shrill".

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    Wha??? (none / 0) (#155)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:02:25 PM EST
    Are you going to put her up for worst dressed on E! news or something?


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    Calling Hillary a B*tch is funny? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Idearc on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:04:28 PM EST

    Peter Daou should lighen up? Really?

    I wonder if Tweety or Glenn Beck did this you find it as amusing.

    Wow.  Sad.  

    Your lack of comprehension is worrisome. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:06:14 PM EST


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    typical frat house (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Idearc on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:11:49 PM EST
    sexism and condescension

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    You have so much egg on your face (3.00 / 2) (#56)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:24:28 PM EST


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    LOL (none / 0) (#153)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:00:55 PM EST
    sarcasm.

    Get in on the joke.

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    Hmmm (3.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:05:52 PM EST
    Really? Do I need to spell it out for you?

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    Please do (none / 0) (#24)
    by Idearc on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:07:29 PM EST
    you us B*tches are slow.  Peter Dauo must be slow for other reasons.

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    I'm sorry (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:17:52 PM EST
    that you can no longer comprehend sarcasm.

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    I'm quite certain BTD intended (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:19:46 PM EST
    no sarcasm.

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    you are mean. (none / 0) (#154)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:01:18 PM EST


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    No (1.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:08:48 PM EST
    I think I will not.

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    Sexist. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Idearc on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:12:22 PM EST
    I knew you couldn't.

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    As far as I know (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:19:22 PM EST
    Big tent democrat is just a guy who grew up in and has probably indirectly benefitted from living in a sexist society.  That doesn't make him a sexist.

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    hmm... (none / 0) (#182)
    by ghost2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:39:48 PM EST
    Many replies are forming in my head to your very interesting comment.  Especially since BTD has said that a certain police officer was (without need of evidence) racist because we live in a racist society (hence the proof).  

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    i thnk my point was well regarded (none / 0) (#196)
    by The Last Whimzy on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 01:32:49 AM EST
    by the silence it inspired.


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    Well (none / 0) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:15:44 PM EST
    That's enough from you for today.

    No more comments until tomorrow.

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    Sheesh (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:06:59 PM EST


    Too stupid for words (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:14:34 PM EST
    They got the jack-a*s part right though.

    Maybe I'd be mad if it weren't so idiotic, but I can't muster anything up.

    I'll add... (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:17:21 PM EST
    This is the kind of stuff I though was funny when I was 13 and starting to read Newsweek, and they would have occasional little political humor pieces. Mind you, I was 13.

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    Sarcasm / Snark is wasted on the clueless (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by blogtopus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:18:01 PM EST
    You can't hold people responsible for what you don't get.

    As for the actual video itself: These guys are complete idiots.

    The first rule of comedy (5.00 / 5) (#59)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:26:36 PM EST
    BE FUNNY.

    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:31:13 PM EST


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    Same old trick...a two-fer (5.00 / 0) (#163)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:42:38 PM EST
    They get attention for having the audacity to put  it up and they get attention again for having the 'sensitivity' to take it down - after the damage is already done.

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    And They'll Get Flak (none / 0) (#168)
    by daring grace on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:56:25 PM EST
    for lacking the editorial astuteness and (cough cough cough self importantly) gravitas to spike the thing in the first place.

    They are, after all, a MSM newspaper. Here they look like a blog or youtube wannabe.

    'Serious' news outlets used to hate that.

    But the Wapo seems to be evolving...

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    Next: how and why we messed up and (5.00 / 3) (#194)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 12:52:40 AM EST
    the significance of same.

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    Milbank should get fired. (none / 0) (#184)
    by ghost2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43:19 PM EST
    I don't know what happened to him.  Really don't know.  At the beginning of Bush adminsitration, he was the only one who hadn't drank the Bush koolaid. So much so that Sy Hersh once said, well if President Bush pre-selects the reporters, it only takes one of them to give their question to Milbank.

    Someone kidnapped him.

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    Oh, thank you (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:31:08 PM EST
    very much for a video to start class Monday.  Some students, shown a compilation of media misogyny in the campaign, said that it was so, y'know, 2008.  But it's all better now because, y'know, hopey changey blah blah.

    They are so . . . young.

    I'm beginning to think (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:39:28 PM EST
    they started with the one Hillary idea and built the rest of the inanity around it. 'Oh, if we call Kucinich an elf, who can complain about a dig at Hillary?'

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    And, from Media Matters (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:04:18 PM EST
    that organization doesn't even get its own message.

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    IG, expand on that comment a bit please... (none / 0) (#161)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:37:22 PM EST


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    Sure... (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:39:38 PM EST
    Media Matters started out as a "watch dog" to hold the media to a standard where they reported real news and were at least accurate in what they said. During the primaries they refused to come down hard on most of what the media was doing to Hillary...the false accusations. While they got Matthews in trouble, they sure didn't say a word when Olbermann did his tirade against Hillary for the remarks she made about how RFK's primary run went into June (of course, he did the twisted version). Media Matters was completely silent on all that.

    I think if they are going to go after the media, they need to stop their extreme bias toward the current administration and turn a blind eye to what the liberal media is doing to people they don't like. They don't serve the country well if they can't be non-partisan.
     

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    The List Grows (5.00 / 0) (#183)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:42:28 PM EST
    Media Matters is not, and was never the organization that you claim it to be.

    Here is what they say about themselves:

    Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation -- news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda -- every day, in real time.

    Media Matters, HuffPo, Krugman, digby... the list grows..

    No wonder the PUMAs a tiny cult way out of touch with Progressive thinking.

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    Precisely, I searched the MM (5.00 / 4) (#189)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:55:36 PM EST
    site repeatedly for any word on how RFK-gate came out of that televised interview with the Argus Leader newspaper editors, in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

    To the best of my knowledge, the first time-stamped coverage of the story began with Politico who said they got it from the NY Post (but the NY Post story did not have a time stamp, and it doesn't quite jive with Politico's story). TPM had a YouTube video up within minutes of the Politico story, and then it went viral, everywhere at the same time.

    Here is a vile sampling (via the exultant Big Orange Cheeto) of the media bleitzkrieg that befell Hillary in the ensuing days and weeks. From bloggers, the print media, TV - left, right, and center - the whole she-bang.

    And Media Matters, apparently, said NOTHING about ANY of it. That's when the Media Matters worm turned for me too.

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    How Silly (5.00 / 0) (#193)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 12:09:58 AM EST
    But I am sure that you'll show them... All of them... and they'll pay in the end... lol

    Seems to me a pretty self defeating operational mode. Deciding never to read or watch things because they fell short on defending anything and everything negative ever said about Hillary or cutting off any source that says something positive about or supportive of Obama, seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a manner of speaking.

    But that is what cults do. Pretty rigid, but I am sure there are some benefits.

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    You go (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by kmblue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:56:13 PM EST
    Cream City!  With you teaching, there's hope for the youth of America.  

    Yeah, sexism is so over.  My *.

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    Pathetic Sexist Fratboy Humor (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:13:37 PM EST
    Always acceptable in the US of A.

    Why is that?

    Well, in what country is it not acceptable? (none / 0) (#107)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:19:22 PM EST


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    A grade of "F" (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:50:58 PM EST
    boys on your project.  Humor was cunningly concealed but  attitude was glaringly apparent. Maybe, maybe, just maybe,  a stand-up comic against a brick wall with all of us three-sheets to the wind might get a lonely chuckle. I would say, stick to your day jobs, but this may, in fact, be your best line of work, as bad as it is.   A transcending worry of mine is that this "beer episode" rather than being a teaching moment will become a long-distance run: the story has grown long and muscular legs.

    Is the idiot Milbank (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 05:46:07 PM EST
    still a regular on Olbermann and His Boyz?  I haven't watched in ages.  

    Olbermann who? (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:58:31 PM EST


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    As others have said, (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by lentinel on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:04:01 PM EST
    there was some profiling going on with the choice of beverage.

    They have to drink a beer - as ordinary working stiffs are portrayed as liking to do.

    Single malts? Huh uh.
    Dry martini with a twist? Huh double uh.
    A Manhattan made with rye whiskey with a maraschino cherry?
    Huh uh uh uh.

    Beer.

    And crappy beer at that.
    Men Men Men lots of Men

    Yeah. Why not a manly Guinness? (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:07:08 PM EST


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    HRC did shots, iirc. (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:18:24 PM EST


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    God forbid (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by lentinel on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:24:23 PM EST
    this quartet would indulge in Kahlua and cream - or a creme de menthe, or a grasshopper, or a long island iced tea. Or the ultimate insult to manhood - the Shirley Temple.

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    Yep. (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:37:09 PM EST
    All these years in Cali have made me mostly a wimpy wine guy, though I do quite enjoy Anchor Steam, Fat Tire, Firestone Double Barrel, etc.

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    Ah . . . to be back in CA wine country again (none / 0) (#137)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:46:30 PM EST
    can't wait. I'll be up the road/mountain from a couple wineries. Many of the summer outdoor events in the area have wine as the component with the different wineries in the area. :)

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    Mountains? Amador County? West Sierras? (none / 0) (#172)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:07:13 PM EST


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    Calaveras County, (none / 0) (#177)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:46:14 PM EST
    just below Big Trees by a couple miles.

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    But... (none / 0) (#138)
    by lentinel on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:51:14 PM EST
    haven't you tried Whimsical Howitzer or Sweaty Brawn Bicep?

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    Nope, in the heat of the summertime (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:32:58 PM EST
    I just had my favorite at our best local microbrewery: Maple Root Beer.  Amazing, refreshing.  Went great with the Friday night fish fry, complete with potato pancakes, apple sauce, and sour cream.  Now it's time to go walk it off and wait an hour to head out again for . . . frozen custard.

    I'm going to have to walk for miles to walk off it all.  Or go back to the microbrewery and get out on the dance floor and polka hard for ten minutes, whichever.

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    You mean (none / 0) (#130)
    by lentinel on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:18:27 PM EST
    as in stout hearted?

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    Ah, The Student Prince. My dad's (none / 0) (#133)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:28:43 PM EST
    favorite musical.

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    inconsequentially (none / 0) (#127)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:14:52 PM EST
    it did occur to me yesterday, so what do 4 guys drinking beer and trying to find common ground usually talk about anyway?

    women?  ok.  sports, right?


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    The media? (none / 0) (#197)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 04:42:03 AM EST
    That should have been common ground and something they can agree on "The media sux.".  (Except maybe the Media Darling.)

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    Speaking of sexism and (5.00 / 4) (#136)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:42:46 PM EST
    the "mad b!tch"  . . .while the boys sit around with their offensive frat boy "humor", SoS Clinton is off to Africa

    Clinton Plans to Visit Congo, Denounce Rape as a Tool of War

    By Mary Beth Sheridan
    As part of her swing through Africa next week, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to visit eastern Congo, the epicenter of two wars in the past decade, and denounce the alarming rates of rape in the region, an official said Wednesday.


    link

    I wonder if Milbank and Cinzilla (none / 0) (#164)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:45:34 PM EST
    will find a way to make that a laughing matter. I wonder if they also think rape joke are a real knee-slapper.

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    A personal anecdote (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:54:00 PM EST
    I used to drink a beer called Hebrew (don't pass out! Passover!) and some guy comes in and says gimme a black and tan but use Hebrew instead of some other lager.

    I won't go into detail about the entire conversation but it was eventually decided it was a great combination and it should be called a Sammy Davis jr.

    Not sure that's out of bounds but if I was a politician I wouldn't be sharing this story.

    funny (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by DXP on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:34:28 PM EST
    Oh god that's funny. Hillary is a b*tch. Hadn't heard that one before.

    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:57:06 PM EST
    good snark

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    BTW, Talk Left had better beer ... (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:06:47 PM EST
    jokes.  And we made them minutes after the announcement of the "beer summit."  They had days and this is the best they could come up with?

    Talk Left:  Faster, funnier and less offensive.

    Digby (2.00 / 0) (#128)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:17:36 PM EST
    considers it comedy gold.  

    Yes, she really does

    Whoops (none / 0) (#131)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:19:00 PM EST
    no trackback link.

    Go here:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

    by about 5:00pm PST.

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    Well Digby certainly didn't strain (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:51:12 PM EST
    herself in either the sarcasm or irony department with that flaccid response.

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    With all due respect to Digby and BTD, (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by ghost2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:49:16 PM EST
    The appropriate response is NOT sarcasm.  It's OUTRAGE.

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    Funny (5.00 / 0) (#199)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 06:58:24 AM EST


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    G2, I concur... (4.00 / 4) (#192)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 12:07:07 AM EST
    My point is that Digby didn't even bother to put much effort into her "sarcastic" response.

    Obviously, some people use sarcasm as a tactic to avoid being 'uncool', or to avoid blowback that could ensure from a clearly stated critique.

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    Ah jeez, here we go. (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 02:56:46 PM EST


    Lighten up! (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:00:02 PM EST
    At least you can't say I am inconsistent on these things.

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    I predict 200 comments by 4pm PST. (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:04:06 PM EST


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    Much sooner than that (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:08:05 PM EST
    Then I'll do another Gates-gate post . . .

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    Odd, it's 1:13PM PST here, (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:14:05 PM EST
    and my TL Preferences are set to PST, but my TL time says 12:13PM PST.

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    So, is TL lying about the time? (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:26:43 PM EST


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    Paging MilitaryTracy... :-) (none / 0) (#64)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:30:31 PM EST


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    We prefer to call it (none / 0) (#69)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:32:57 PM EST
    TL time.

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    You are bad. (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:34:14 PM EST


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    Hey, did you see that new yacht? (none / 0) (#115)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:48:45 PM EST
    The $95 million dollar one that would be perfect for Capt Nemo? Interesting namesake.Oculus the yacht

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    Very cool. (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:57:27 PM EST


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    I still haven't seen your response re (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:12:13 PM EST
    CNN interview I linked to.  

    Then maybe some inside dish on Clinton/bloggers mtg.?  Hey, it's Friday.

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    Indeed (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:17:14 PM EST
    It's almost Happy Hour here on the East Coast.

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    It is Happy Hour (none / 0) (#47)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:18:49 PM EST
    Summer hours and all  ;)

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    All righty then (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:20:09 PM EST
    I'm off to my own beer summit.

    Cheers everybody.

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    Enjoy it man... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:27:22 PM EST
    I'm staring at the clock waiting on a bush doctor summit me-self...before I anger all my dear TL friends with my knuckleheadedness.

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    steve m please help me out here (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:01:07 PM EST


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    The site should change its mission statement (none / 0) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:19:37 PM EST
    to "TL: The Politics of Prejudice."

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:21:17 PM EST
    I'll ask Jeralyn about that.

    But you of all people know this is nothing new for me.

    You and kdog have been fighting me on this for years.

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    "Fighting?" Over the top, imo. ;-) (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:24:10 PM EST


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    Touche (none / 0) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:26:16 PM EST


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    Gentlemen... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:28:38 PM EST
    agreeing to disagree:)

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    My sentiments exactly... (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:02:02 PM EST
    though I'm curious to see who thinks this is a bigger deal than placing a human being in chains...and who wants to see the latest pc offender in chains.

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    Clueless about the realities of misogyny (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:06:37 PM EST


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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:08:24 PM EST
    Sometimes the metaphorical chains perpetuated by these kinds of statements, by influencial people no less, can be worse than real chains.

    At least real chains are able to be easily removed if the party in chains is deemed innocent. Metaphorical chains, don't come off as easily and are foisted on the innocent.

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    Profound. (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:12:54 PM EST


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    Metaphorical chains... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:15:39 PM EST
    require the "victim" to believe and accept they are being metaphorically shackled...the real deal is exactly that...the real deal.

    I would think only the weak willed could be metaphorically chained by the comedic tastes of another....but again, I'm a sticks and stones guy.

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    Oh, man. (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:18:26 PM EST


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    Oh, I know. n/t (none / 0) (#92)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:53:11 PM EST


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    Forget metaphorical chains (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:39:45 PM EST
    How about very real scars -- you know, the kind one gets from being flogged for:

    1) Wearing trousers (woman in Sudan)

    Or,

    2) Drinking one beer (woman in Saudi Arabia)

    Yeah, these are examples of punishments about to be visisted upon women in Muslim countries, but, hey, misogyny lives and infects male brains everywhere. It's a world-wide disease.

    Is it really necessary to recount the history of oppression of, and violence against, women?

    Sheesh.


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    Now that... (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:43:34 PM EST
    is real sexism, mysogyny, tyranny, inequality, and heinous abuses of human rights that we should be talking about everyday and twice on Sunday.

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    Guess what? (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:47:39 PM EST
    There's violence being visited upon American women every single day of the week. One in four is abused by a husband or boyfriend. And one in three is raped.

    The realities of misogyny -- right here in America.

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    "One in three is raped?" (none / 0) (#88)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:49:29 PM EST
     

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    This suggests (none / 0) (#149)
    by cawaltz on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:35:40 PM EST
    the number is 1 in 6.

    http://www.911rape.org/facts-quotes/statistics

    Rape is undereported so I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were higher.

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    Eye-opening. Thanks. (none / 0) (#185)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43:29 PM EST


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    You are right. Those statistics are verifiable. (none / 0) (#190)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:56:57 PM EST
    They are, I believe, the rapes that are reported.

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    Then lets talk about violence... (none / 0) (#91)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:52:17 PM EST
    I abhor violence...I just don't mind jokes.

    If you were queen for a day, would you have these guys arrested for hate crimes?  I'm curious.

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    Silly question (5.00 / 5) (#188)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:53:12 PM EST
    which I will answer anyway. No, Kdog, I don't advocate arresting anyone for his/her thoughts or beliefs. But I'm smart enough to know that hateful thoughts and statements pave the way to making hateful acts seems more acceptable, which is precisely why employee diversity training is now the repsonsibility of every HR manager. With the right stimulus, human behavior can change over time.

    So what's the appropriate response to the purveyors of hateful speech? They should be treated with the derision they deserve. Repeatedly.

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    Not arrested (none / 0) (#145)
    by cawaltz on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:13:27 PM EST
    They make a great argument for eugenics though.

    That way we wouldn't need to worry about their brand of stupidity being genetically passed on.

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    On the bright side (none / 0) (#97)
    by Rojas on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:59:50 PM EST
    I believe the increase incarceration rates for women are begining to outpace other demographics. You've come a long way baby.

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    Glad to follow your lead there KD ;-) (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:56:28 PM EST
    real sexism, mysogyny, tyranny, inequality, and heinous abuses of human rights...we should be talking about everyday and twice on Sunday.

    Let us know when you intend to get started on that project, especially your pushback on sexism and mysogyny.

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    2) that's not only for woman (none / 0) (#105)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:14:37 PM EST
    Saudi is a completely dry country...plenty of men in jail for drinking.

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    BS (none / 0) (#101)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:03:42 PM EST
    What about the guy who harassed by cops while walking or driving down the street for the crime of being black aka racial profiling?

    Well the guy surely accept the fact that he is black, but I seriously doubt he accepts the metaphor, unlike the cop, that he is a criminal.

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    It shouldn't be an either/ or situation (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by cawaltz on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:28:45 PM EST
    I can condemn the physical brutality perpetuated against women AND condemn the people who find it culturally acceptable to degrade women with words.

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    Both can be big deals (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:02:45 PM EST


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    Fair enough Mr. Consistent... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:05:58 PM EST
    I'm too hung over to bang heads too hard today...you know I'm a sticks and stones guy.

    Give Milbank hell...free speech rocks:)

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    By chains do you mean handcuffs? (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:05:24 PM EST


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    Kdog is emulating (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:24:04 PM EST
    Rush Limbaugh.  Who cares what the actual truth is, let's just use the wildest terminology we can because it's more fun!  Matters not that it's a lie.

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    Are you arguing... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:29:51 PM EST
    handcuffs aren't chains?

    And I thought you were smart:)

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    I can't help it. (none / 0) (#90)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:51:35 PM EST
    When kdog takes off on his steel, cages and chains - I either think of hardcore fetishes or extreme sports fighting.  

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    When he goes off on his rant on behalf (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:53:35 PM EST
    of the falsely arrest Prof. Gates, I think of Prof. Gates talking on The Root about all the Harvard professors who showed up at the detention facility to protest and keep him company.

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    Somebody... (none / 0) (#100)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:01:26 PM EST
    must be gettin' off on it up high...how else can you explain our national obsession with their use?

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    Now I'm thinking of (none / 0) (#106)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:16:45 PM EST
    "Chained Heat" yet another sexploitation movie about women behind bars.

    "Up on high"?  Oh, no.  Much lower than that - street level.

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:07:04 PM EST
    cold locking steel.

    Though some are using the plastic these days, not as cold but just as inhumane.

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    Are they still doing that stupid thing? (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 02:57:56 PM EST
    Morons.

    Jack*ass beer for the hosts (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:13:31 PM EST
    At least they realize it.

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    Michael Vick (3.00 / 2) (#77)
    by ChiTownMike on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:42:12 PM EST
    beer of choice is Battling Bull Dog.

    As for the sorry foursome Obama put together last night here are my picks:

    The glaring presence at the table was Joe Biden. I suppose he was supposed to balance out the "color theme" at the table. I'm surprised no one else commented on that. Anyway his beer should have been: Chimay 'White' Ale,

    The other White guy, Crowley, should have chosen: Pale Rider. Quite apropos imo.

    Obama, for all the grief he has caused the Left and White people in the polls - and we all must admit that on this blog and others criticism has outweigh praise - should have picked for his beer: Judas

    And Gates, for turning back race relations to at least the times of Jim Crow, not to mention disrespect for law enforcement, should have ordered either: Lucifer or Titanic, probably both.

    I say both just because look at the example he set for the Black youth of America. Just what we need is every young black man verbally sticking it to the police because people here say it is not against the law to do it. And if Gates can why not them? Gezz like there isn't already enough blacks in jail now we are going to have cops and witnesses testifying how the Black guy was in a Gates like rage at the cops? That ought to play well during sentencing. But yet that is basically what people were advocating for here over the last week. Frigging brilliant.

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    My reply is only to a small part of your (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:43:46 PM EST
    comment.  I did comment last night on the boy girl boy girl type seating.  I think that is why Biden was invited.

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    Strange nobody seems to be talking (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:03:30 PM EST
    about that curious attempt at some semblance of 'fair and balanced' demographics and seating.

    Like I'm so sure officer Crowley felt Biden was one of his peeps.

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    C'mon (5.00 / 4) (#179)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:57:30 PM EST
    He's just Joe from Scranton, right?

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    Good (none / 0) (#87)
    by ChiTownMike on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:49:21 PM EST
    I'm glad you commented on that. But you should have called it what it was...

    Black White Black White seating.


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    What do you suppose was the sign. (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:56:14 PM EST
    of the color of the picnic table?  (snk)

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    Don't forget (none / 0) (#98)
    by ChiTownMike on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:00:34 PM EST
    the kegger was being held at the 'White' House. Besides have you ever saw a black picnic table?

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    Should have used a plastic tablecloth (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:10:49 PM EST
    on the plastic picnic table. It could then have been any color or combination of colors. Definitely lack of creative thinking on the part of the WH PR group.

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    The Obama brand ;) (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:19:31 PM EST
    That big ol' O design would have worked just fine, lol!~

    I was actually wondering why they didn't have an umbrella . . .

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    This was a photo op (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:08:33 PM EST
    An umbrella would have interfered with the camera shots.

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    Naw, they could have worked it right (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:54:14 PM EST
    my impression from a stylist/director side. I felt bad for the 2 dressed in suits . . . would have corrected it. Plus, the umbrella adds intimacy.

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    Not sure they wanted intimacy (none / 0) (#180)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 10:12:13 PM EST


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    Good Point (none / 0) (#159)
    by ChiTownMike on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:32:22 PM EST
    Even a cloth one would have done given that it is the WH. A nice yellow for summer would have looked nice.

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    No. (none / 0) (#108)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:19:58 PM EST
    But that's because the only black that withstands ultraviolet exposure without fading is carbon black, so the only black picnic table would probably be plastic AND it would be fry-your-buns hot too.

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    Wrought iron tables (none / 0) (#109)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:23:31 PM EST


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    Tis true. (none / 0) (#112)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:32:14 PM EST
    Though I haven't seen any wrought iron picnic tables recently.

    (Have thought about getting wrought iron furniture - heavy, durable, cheap and unlike lightweight, pricier aluminum frame patio furniture, not likely to be stolen.)

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    Or blown away! ;) (none / 0) (#113)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:43:30 PM EST


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    Rust. (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:43:58 PM EST


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    Race is always in it (none / 0) (#111)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:30:37 PM EST
    especially when talex is commenting.  Hope everyone caught his "craka" comment the other day.

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    Heh (1.00 / 0) (#167)
    by ChiTownMike on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:54:33 PM EST
    I think you operate with half your brain Steve. I mean you are a guy who strongly implied that Crowley was a racist by insisting he falsified his report with false things that Gates said (with zero evidence btw) and you aren't smart enough to refrain from accusing others of mentioning race? On a topic where the entire nation is discussing race! LOL. What size are your clown shoes? Really big I bet the way you stumble around making a damned fool of yourself.

    And then you aren't smart enough to allow that Gates is the one lying because of course he is not going to admit what it is he said when he doesn't have to. He is not under oath. Which is the reason he didn't sue - because then he would have to swear on a bible and admit what it is he said. He may be a race baiting owner of a racial website and has friends that are openly racist like Jessie "Heimy Town" Jackson but he isn't fool enough to sue an then have to admit what he said.

    You are so f-ing naive to think that these people don't sit around in private with each other and toss around racial remarks which like Jackson and Gates slip out in public at the most inconvenient moments.

    On second thought half a brain may be being overly generous.

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    I hope (none / 0) (#25)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:07:37 PM EST
    This isn't the Washington Post's plan to revive their business.  Fourth rate knock off of the Daily Show.

    Is it?.... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:18:18 PM EST
    I know a few women who self-describe themselves with the word and wear it like a badge of honor.

    And of course (5.00 / 5) (#53)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:22:29 PM EST
    I know some African Americans who call each other ....  I think you get the point.

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    I do... (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:31:44 PM EST
    taking words back from those who mean harm and changing their meaning into something positive...its a beautiful thing.

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    Well we agree then (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:34:25 PM EST
    The morons who fancy themselves comedians mean harm.

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    Three women subjects in this: (5.00 / 3) (#175)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 09:30:16 PM EST
     
    Sarah Palin gets "Arctic Devil"

    Chip Pickering's soon-to-be ex gets "Bitter woman from hell" beer.

    Hillary Clinton: "mad b!tch"


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    Milbank should be FIRED. (none / 0) (#181)
    by ghost2 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 11:33:54 PM EST
    I am sick of this s^&t.  

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    I'm not sold on that... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:39:46 PM EST
    they may just mean to make people laugh.

    Lenny Bruce didn't mean no harm...of course these clowns ain't in the same league, or even the same sport, as the late great Bruce...but all that proves is they are pedestrian comedians.

    They may hate women, I don't know, but this is no proof.

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    Lenny Bruce was arrested ... (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:02:43 PM EST
    charged and convicted for some of things he said.  Most of his convictions were overturned.  But at least one never was.

    Suggesting that someone's speech is racist, sexist, xenophobic or homophobic isn't akin to arresting them.  It's criticism.  Another form of protected speech.

    In fact, the founders wanted speech to be protected so there would be vigorous debate.  One person could say something.  Another could respond to it.  And so on.

    Freedom of speech allows you to speak.  It doesn't protect you from criticism.  Or guarantee you an audience.


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    I'd look for a pattern (none / 0) (#83)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:45:27 PM EST
    Some history.  Could be a history there of sexism.


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    Further consideration (none / 0) (#96)
    by The Last Whimzy on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:57:38 PM EST
    In the case of that racist Boston cop saying what he said, it hadn't occurred to me yet to consider intent.  I deemed the racial slur harmful regardless of intent.

    We probably agree on that at least.

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    Yeah, too bad the name-calling (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:44:36 PM EST
    by the jacka$$e$ still continues.

    In your world, being able to "take back the name" makes it all okay again. "Beautiful" even.

    Wouldn't it be nice if the jacka$$eS didn't have the need to utter the insults in the first place? Won't ever change, not when there's so much support for it.

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    I don't know... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:48:48 PM EST
    if I wanna live in a society where nobody gets offended or insulted...I don't think it would be a very free, liberty friendly place.

    Equality under the law is what I'm looking...for for every bag of bones.  

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    KD, Is there anything that personally offends or (none / 0) (#158)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:27:53 PM EST
    insults and impacts you directly at all, ever? I mean something that you can identify as being targeted at you as an individual member of a marginalized group? If so, what is it?

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    If Hillary said it (5.00 / 5) (#142)
    by cawaltz on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:04:55 PM EST
    then we could portray this as taking the word back. She didn't. A male made the comment. How well do you think it would go over if you went up to an African American and called him a n-gger and then just insisted you were "helping take the word back"? My guess, not well, at all.

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    but that is not what happened here (none / 0) (#157)
    by coigue on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:03:20 PM EST
    is it?

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    Not to put too fine a point on it, but (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 03:54:50 PM EST
    is it realistic to anticipate Hillary Clinton will run for President in seven years?

    I don't understand the relevance of (none / 0) (#104)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:14:31 PM EST
    your comment.  Could you explain?

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    I think the sexism against her will (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 04:24:23 PM EST
    be combined with ageism by then.

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    Ageism was used against Hillary in '08 (5.00 / 3) (#195)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 01, 2009 at 01:05:35 AM EST
    Hillary is 61, born 10/47. Obama, born 08/61, will be 48 this coming Tuesday. HAPPY B'DAY POTUS!

    She is only 13 years older than him, yet during the campaign, there was constant hyping about Obama's youth; and constant harping about Hillary being one of those tedious old Baby Boomers. It was a major theme that worked especially well among the 18-29 year old voters who went for Obama 66%.

    My gawd, Hillary in 2012, at the ripe old age of 64 - they'll be drawing her up as Methuselah woman in a moth-eaten pant suit. If I were her, I wouldn't touch the Office of President with a 10 foot pole - make that a pole of infinite length.

    Mind you, Reagan was 70 when he first took office and 78 when he left (portrayed always as a chipper, robust, brush-clearing cowboy). But, you know, It's Different When a Woman Does It.

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    Everybody's now in the beer act (none / 0) (#140)
    by Saul on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 06:55:43 PM EST
    In the news, some mayor candidate was giving a speech next to someones home.  The crowd damage his flower beds.  So the guy kept booing as the mayor candidate tried to talk and did not let him talk.   Later they got together for a beer at a pub just like Obama and Gates.

    Maybe Benjamin Netanyahu  needs to sit down with the Palestinian leader and have Neshermalt (bira shechora)

    Much ado about nothing (none / 0) (#162)
    by Lora on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:40:57 PM EST
    Making fun of the people who make fun of Hillary.  The joke is so lame and sexist that I do not believe that these comedians didn't do it on purpose BECAUSE it is so lame and sexist.

    I was mildly amused and mostly bored.  Not worth any more time.

    Ale to the Chief should have (none / 0) (#165)
    by oldpro on Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 08:50:47 PM EST
    passed muster sometime, somewhere.

    Maybe the staff drank that.

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